Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Come on, media. you have one job. start doing it.

Michigan is a great lesson for Dems everywhere: when you have power…use it!

I might just take the rest of the day off and do even more nothing than usual.

It’s always darkest before the other shoe drops.

Everybody saw this coming.

Only Democrats have agency, apparently.

I was confident that someone would point it out and thought why not me.

I’m starting to think Jesus may have made a mistake saving people with no questions asked.

Cole, when it comes to calico cats, restraint is overrated.

The gop is a fucking disgrace.

Biden: Oh no. We’ve upset Big Pharma again.

They’re not red states to be hated; they are voter suppression states to be fixed.

There are some who say that there are too many strawmen arguments on this blog.

You cannot shame the shameless.

Trump makes a mockery of the legal system and cowardly judges just sit back and let him.

They traffic in fear. it is their only currency. if we are fearful, they are winning.

Thanks to your bullshit, we are now under siege.

Let’s delete this post and never speak of this again.

If marriage is the equivalent of selling yourself into slavery, women with self respect should reject the offer.

Republicans don’t trust women.

Of course you can have champagne before noon. That’s why orange juice was invented.

Nothing worth doing is easy.

Polls are now a reliable indicator of what corporate Republicans want us to think.

I’m more Christian than these people and I’m an atheist.

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I know, I know, I’m tired of the “What GOP fustercluck do we need to fight to prevent *this* week?” rondelay too. But the Repub death cult is structured like the Taliban in Afghanistan — their one god (a multifaced being reflected by images of Ayn Rand, Hayek, both Koch brothers, and Sheldon Adelson) demands blood sacrifice, and blood that god shall have, lest the heavens fall… or their disappointed sugar daddies mount a primary challenge. Sure, it’ll further lessen any chance of the GOP surviving the next few election cycles, but the reelection races start next year!

… Trump tweeted Tuesday morning that Pelosi and Schumer “want illegal immigrants flooding into our Country unchecked, are weak on Crime and want to substantially RAISE Taxes,” adding, “I don’t see a deal!”

The Democratic leaders responded by canceling their plans to meet with Trump and GOP leaders at the White House to discuss a deal to keep the government open.

“Given that the president doesn’t see a deal between Democrats and the White House, we believe the best path forward is to continue negotiating with our Republican counterparts in Congress instead,” Pelosi and Schumer said in a joint statement. “If the President, who already said earlier this year that ‘our country needs a good shutdown,’ isn’t interested in addressing the difficult year end agenda, we’ll work with those Republicans who are, as we did in April.”

Schumer and Pelosi said they asked Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) to meet Tuesday afternoon instead, a request the GOP leaders rebuffed…

Ryan and McConnell attended the meeting and did not hide their displeasure with Pelosi and Schumer for withdrawing from the highly anticipated powwow…

[Maybe not the best noun there, Kemosabe]

Congressional leaders have declined to say how long of a short-term funding patch would be needed to avert a government shutdown on Dec. 8, although it’s expected to be at least a couple of weeks to give appropriators enough time to write complex omnibus spending legislation.

“I’m very hopeful we can avoid a shutdown,” Schumer told reporters. “Our Republican colleagues have shown in the past that they know with them in charge, a shutdown falls on their back. They’re running the show. The American people know they’re running the show.”…

Even Trump is having trouble believing Trump’s bullshit…

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  6. 6.

    debbie

    Kay, this Renacci guy is too much. He’s talking about freezing spending for four years, making the legislature part-time, etc. etc. Can he be stopped?

  9. 9.

    germy

    I remember Lauer’s grilling of HRC before the election; that evening they did the so-called “townhall” with separate drumpf and HRC interviews. Lauer spent most of her time discussing [dun dun dun…. !} emails, and drumpf I believe got friendlier questioning.

  12. 12.

    Ohio Mom

    I am fighting off a cold — I pop one zinc lozenge after another — thanks, Ohio Son, my little vector.

    Also house cleaning like mad. In eight days Ohio Dad goes in to have his heart valve replaced. I have to dig the guest room bed out from all the unfinished projects and unfiled papers and who knows what else so my sister, who is coming from Michigan to help out, has a place to sleep.

    Still, I will dedicate some time to letting my congresscritters know how pissed off and terrified I am.

  14. 14.

    maurinsky

    I guess that we aren’t doing the On the Road and In Our Backyard thing anymore?

    If anyone wants to see my pics from my trip to Scotland, you can find them here

  17. 17.

    Izabela

    And now this morning Trump has retweeted tweets from Jayda Fransen, a prominent member of Britain First, the white nationalist political group in England. Even Paul Joseph Watson, pretty much a turd himself, has tweeted this is a really bad move by Trump.

    What the hell did America elect as president?

  26. 26.

    satby

    So yesterday I found out that I mistakenly swapped two labels on shipments to two people with nearly identical first names who ordered one after the other. Last names both began with the same initial too! Sorry ladies, I’m redoing your orders today ?
    #thingsthatmakeyoufeeldumb

  28. 28.

    MJS

    @satby: I go with “problems that were covered up before.” There’s no reference to an investigation confirming the detailed complaint, so my guess is the “details” sounded exactly like things others complained about previously, so out the door he goes.

  29. 29.

    debbie

    @Izabela:

    Plus this flail:

    Wow, Matt Lauer was just fired from NBC for “inappropriate sexual behavior in the workplace.” But when will the top executives at NBC & Comcast be fired for putting out so much Fake News. Check out Andy Lack’s past!— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 29, 2017

  33. 33.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @debbie: It’s not rising here yet and when it does it will be hiding behind the clouds. So my sun and your sun disagree with each other.

  37. 37.

    germy

    @satby:

    must have been pretty bad for them to jump on one complaint, unless there’s been problems that were covered up before.

    It was mentioned briefly on CBS that there was one complaint, but other complaints are bubbling up as well.

  41. 41.

    marcopolo

    Not sure why but woke up earlier than normal today so: Good Morning Everyone. I can actually make breakfast and do some reading before I call Senator Blunt’s office. Woohoo.

  45. 45.

    Feathers

    There may have been a point when I didn’t loathe Matt Lauer, it I don’t remember it. He was just always so sleazy, a slimy gaslighter who conned everybody else into treating you like a crazy person for not adoring him. Yes, I’ve known the type in real life.

  46. 46.

    NotMax

    Brand spanking new today on Amazon Prime, The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel (trailer). Not bad, not bad at all. Ping pongs from the comedic to the maudlin a bit too readily, perhaps, but that’s a forgivable sin.

    Minor anachronisms (show takes place in the late 50s), also forgivable. The autos are luscious to look at but must all of them look like they were on the showroom floor 3 minutes ago (less forgivable)? One question though, how did they manage to sneak in, scoop up so much of my kitchenware to dress the set and return it before I noticed?

    Anyway, well worth checking out.

  49. 49.

    Nelle

    I’ve been calling senatorial offices regularly, so regularly that a staffer invited me to come in for an individual chat . I’m going in today. So much to bring up…where to start? Actually, they are working on a special request for VA involvement in testing Vietnam vets, particularly those involved in river operations for liver flukes. These parasites cam live for decades without symptoms, but can cause a rare bile duct cancer, and symptoms appear when it is too late to do anything. The senator was a marine in Vietnam. My husband had about 22 gunboats under his command on the Mekong.
    But taxes and CHIP will be on the agenda.

  50. 50.

    TS

    @germy:

    MATT LAUER HAS BEEN FIRED FROM NBC.

    Sexual misconduct allegations.

    And Donald Trump was elected President after being recorded talking about his sexual misconduct.

  51. 51.

    debit

    Awwww, someone has some regrets.

    This summer, I traveled across the Midwest, from Indianapolis to Kalamazoo to Racine, to talk with hundreds of manufacturing workers who lost their jobs to foreign countries. Many of them (some wearing “Make America Great Again” hats) agreed that Trump hasn’t lived up to his end of the deal.

    “I don’t think he’s really going to come through, even though I hoped he would,” one laid-off worker told me.

    “He pulled a bait-and-switch on us,” another said.

    Maybe they can eat the hats when the food runs out. No sympathy. None whatsoever.

  53. 53.

    bystander

    American International classic “Wild in the Streets” is on TCM right now. Oddly prescient but not about the youth takeover so much as the portrait of a malignant narcissist as POTUS. Shelley Winters, mother of the narcissist, is chainsmoking pot and talking about how successful her LSD therapy is going.

    I heard hundreds of years ago that Matt didn’t think twice about hitting on women he should be staying away from. But I only heard he was forward and presumptuous, not physical.

    ETA Not TCM. It’s on MGM.

  55. 55.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @Nelle:

    a staffer invited me to come in for an individual chat .

    They will never invite me in for a spittle flecked, invective filled, scream fest.

  57. 57.

    debit

    @Baud: Yeah, because I desperately need to know how they’re feeling and what they think. Sorry, I just found it bitterly funny.

  60. 60.

    Ohio Mom

    @debit: No sympathy here either, instead I am enjoying their distress.

    Thanks for all the good wishes, everyone. I’ll keep everyone updated. I expect to be doing a lot of blog-reading and commenting the day of the surgery, what else is there to do in the waiting room?

  61. 61.

    Cheryl Rofer

    Good morning, everyone!

    Anne, thanks for posting the Jeet Heer tweet. I just posted something similar in the North Korea thread, but I’ll repeat it here. The concern was expressed that the Tweeter-in-Chief would start a tail-wags-dog war. I said to look at his body language in this press availability and in every other one where he has something difficult to talk about. He hugs himself. He is so insecure and unloved that he has to hug himself. This is a frightened and cowardly man. Now, frightened and cowardly men do stupid things when they are desperate enough. What he said about North Korea was “We’ll take care of it.” That’s what you say when you have no idea what you’re going to do. And it looks like the people around him have convinced him to let someone else talk about substance – he’s done it yesterday with Mattis on North Korea and the day before with Kelly on the Code Talkers. In the case of the Code Talkers, he couldn’t resist dragging out his bigotry, but he called Kelly up to the podium to say the substance.

    Anyhow, he’s not desperate enough to start a war yet.

    And a very wise thread, to which I can add nothing, by Alex Wellerstein, a historian of nuclear weapons.

  63. 63.

    HeleninEire

    Freaky night last night. So every month my friends and I go to the Irish Film Institute for a program they call Feast Your Eyes. You see a movie and then you get a surprise dinner based on the movie. Last night’s movie was “Good Time.” No one in the group had any clue what the movie was about. The opening scene showed NYC’s West Side Highway and someone leaned over and said “Oh are you gonna get homesick?” and I said “Nah”

    Well oh holy nuts – the entire movie took place in my old neighbourhood. There is Elmhurst hospital, there are the courts on Queens Blvd and the bondsmen across the street, and oh my gosh, the just drove right past my old apartment building. It was both fun and weird all at the same time!!

    Crappy movie, mind you, but so much fun. It was like I was back in NY for 2 hours. I had no idea I was returning to Queens when I walked into the theatre.

  64. 64.

    TS

    @charon:

    Morning Joe discussion Eugene Robinson etc – Is the President nuts? Consensus seemed to be yes.

    Joe started the conversation earlier with – “that boy ain’t right”

  68. 68.

    Lurking Canadian

    @Izabela: It is bracing to consider that the president being in senile dementia and unaware of reality is the LESS frightening alternative.

  71. 71.

    Kathleen

    And Good Morning all. Matt Lauer’s firing made my day. I’ve decided I need to focus on fact that we have power and not to allow myself to become overwhelmed with feelings of powerlessness.I hold as my inspiration the Civil Rights activists I observed in my youth. Sarah Kenzidor tweeted that revoking net neutrality will destroy the resistance. I replied that Civil Rights activists used churches, flyers, black radio and their feet and grit and we would just need to be more creative. I don’t have luxury of my own despair and fear

  72. 72.

    Another Scott

    @maurinsky: OtR is on hiatus until Alain is up to it again (after the passing of his mother).

    Great shots. Looks like you had a wonderful time with great scenery. Thanks. for sharing.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  74. 74.

    gene108

    @HeleninEire:

    Not as dramatic as seeing the old neighborhood, but my brother lives in NYC, and when I see movies set in NYC now, I can go “ohhh, I’ve been there” or “I know where that is” or “this has to be the part of Central Park with the angel statue”.

    Feels pretty cool to me.

  77. 77.

    rikyrah

    Seeing all these men being called on the carpet puts the 2016 election in a slightly different perspective. Go back and look at the interviews with them and Hillary,..makes you go Hmmmmmm ??

  80. 80.

    SFAW

    @Baud:

    Finally, a story about Trump voters.

    I know! It’s been, what, six HOURS since the last one?

    I was going into withdrawal, seeing Orange Elephants. Oh, wait — it was just that I had the TV on, and I saw Shitgibbon’s orange obesity waddling around.

  82. 82.

    BlueDWarrior

    Our soft empire is going to be crippled by the demographic still-majority having a nervous breakdown and electing a senile carnival barker as its chief executive. Same as it ever was, same as it ever was…

    And no, I don’t believe in the coming Pax… um… what would we call a Chinese ‘Pax ???’ anyway, do we have a term for it?

  84. 84.

    Kathleen

    @OzarkHillbilly: at bat would be me with Portman’s office though I barely refrain from screaming, cursing or insulting. I have used terms like Rethuglican, vile and cruel and morally and spiritually bankrupt. They will not invite me in.

  88. 88.

    BlueDWarrior

    @rikyrah: I think the current moment has been formented by Trump actually being elected. As much as we can say that rural/surbuban people were radicalized by Obama being elected, the converse can be said about minorities and women from Trump being elected.

    People want women and minorities to shut up and stop bothering them with their plight, and we’re politely telling them to fuck off. As we should.

    And yes I know I say that being a defender of Franken, but that is just more or me thinking he did wrong but didn’t do something politically fatally wrong. People can do bad and not have it rise to be the death penalty of their career immediately. But that makes me think that Laurer might have crossed the line into stalking/rape a lot more closely than the heads at NBC-Universal could have really accepted if he’s being terminated after 1 solid accusation with threats of others.

  89. 89.

    SFAW

    @HeleninEire:

    Well oh holy nuts – the entire movie took place in my old neighbourhood. There is Elmhurst hospital, there are the courts on Queens Blvd and the bondsmen across the street, and oh my gosh, the just drove right past my old apartment building. It was both fun and weird all at the same time!!

    Did you see LAO in the film? I think she lives in that general area. (Although I’m thinking Bayside more than Elmhoist, for some reason.)

  90. 90.

    Patricia Kayden

    @germy: Wow. Another one bites the dust. Wasn’t expecting that. This is a bad year for sexual harassers (except the one in the White House).

  92. 92.

    HeleninEire

    Oh my God. The good news just keeps coming. Just received a job offer from Dublin City University. I am now a Financial and Administration Officer for Research Programs. Starting second week of January. WOO HOO.

  93. 93.

    Steeplejack (phone)

    @HeleninEire:

    I would think that with the foodie revolution of the last 20 years you should be able to find it in a cosmopolitan city like Dublin.

    Hmm, now I’m thinking about putting on my pants and taking a trip to the deli today.

  94. 94.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    My bet is that he was warned about it before and if it happens again, out the door.

    Three times; verbal, written and out the door. Though the biz I am in second is “you are top of the list next layoff”

  95. 95.

    O. Felix Culpa

    @Cheryl Rofer: Thank you for posting Wellerstein’s excellent analysis.

    ETA: Good morning, all! Enjoying another beautiful sunrise with my coffee. :)

  97. 97.

    SFAW

    @BlueDWarrior:

    As much as we can say that rural/surbuban people were radicalized by Obama being elected, the converse can be said about minorities and women from Trump being elected.

    Resisting the ACTUAL attempt to destroy America is not people being “radicalized.” Especially when compared to the RWNJ radicalization, which was/is based upon the omnipresent lies of Murdoch’s Minions et al. regarding Obama and Dems in general.

  101. 101.

    BlueDWarrior

    @SFAW: The problem with the way that the rural diaspora has been brainwashed, it is us being radicalized. The fact that we just will not accept our collective lot to be ruled by the rural (suburban) diaspora means that we are violent radicals that have to be suppressed. For our own good mind you.

    This is why the parties are getting so Balkanized, we in the base far better recognize what the other side is saying, while the upper reaches are still operating as if the Republicans have a level of respectability and comity that can be worked with.

  107. 107.

    Jeffro

    Good morning everyone. I managed to dynamite myself out of bed and into the lap pool this morning, after an evening geezin’ it up at the Black Cat (and on a Tuesday night no less!) #thekidstillhazit

    @Cheryl Rofer: super thread. now if we only had some ‘rational actors’ on OUR side…

    @HeleninEire: that’s awesome, congrats!

    No meetings today, time to catch up on a million bits of unfinished business…ready, set, GO…

  108. 108.

    Sab

    @debbie: He’s from my neck of the woods not Kay’s. Former mayor of Wadsworth, before that car dealership owner and nursing home operator. He is a monster but his constituents love him, I don’t know why.

    I have my only rental property in Wadsworth and my tenants love him. I don’t know why. All I can think of is racism because his positions don’t agree with theirs on anything else. Or maybe they met him at a high school function fifteen years ago and liked him. Local politics is weird that way.

  109. 109.

    Ithink

    @germy:

    I’m watching that NOW love on Morning Joe’s simulcast of Breaking News; I literally cannot even. I loved Matt Lauer like pretty much no other major daytime news anchor I witnessed regularly in my lifetime besides say, Robin Roberts. But this is a deeply distressing & actually surprising development in light of all the other sexual misconduct avalanche of allegations that be happened the last several months. Only God knows where it all goes now…?

  111. 111.

    David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch

    Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay
    My, oh, my, what a wonderful day
    Plenty of sunshine headin’ my way
    Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay!
    Mister Bluebird’s on my shoulder

  112. 112.

    SFAW

    @BlueDWarrior:

    rural diaspora

    Not a lot of Jews in the economically-anxious rural areas, I’m a-guessing. In other words, pick a different word, because none of the first four definitions appears to apply
    /pedant

    Be that as it may: you seem to conflate the seemingly-incessant calls we heard for Second Amendment solutions (and things not too far from that) because of things such as Obama’s “death panels,” “takin’ our guns away,” “Benghaziii!!!!” etc., coming from the RWNJ, with the protests and screams about the ACTUAL attempted destruction of the non-wealthy classes in particular and a functioning American government in general, coming from the non-racist/non-evil/non-insane side of the country. It’s not too far removed from a “both sides” argument, although I hope/expect that’s not what you’re trying to say.

  114. 114.

    David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch

    @germy: It was an open secret for years that he was having an affair with on air co-worker Natalie Morales

  116. 116.

    bemused

    @charon:

    I saw that too. I am surprised that trump attacks cnn but msnbc, not so much, because from afternoon to evening shows, there is a continual stream of guests and hosts who imply or outright say trump is delusional. Last night on msnbc, Ben Howe, Red State, said of evangelicals supporting immoral candidates that “they’ll do any rationalizations they have to in order to excuse any behavior they need to keep the world they way they think it looks”. Rationalization is the dominant behavior from Trump to most Republicans.

    I’m halfway through reading Rolling Stone piece, Anatomy of Fake-News Scandal with a good timeline of how pizzagate went from online to the White House. It’s detective piece tracking the fake stories, how they spread and who followed/retweeted them it’s not surprising that the humans who glommed onto the bot fake stories are/were Republican from Trump, family, WH staff, advisors, politicos, rightwing media and voters. A 50 year old mother from PA tweeted the pizzagate story more than 4,000 times in five weeks because she “didn’t want Hillary to win at any cost” even though she didn’t know much about pizzagate, just stuff she found from her own “research” or from another follower. Republican rationalizers don’t need no stinking facts.

    Borce Pejcev, Macedonian programmer who set up dozen of fake-news sites said, “Macedonians would have happily copied anti-Trump news too but unfortunately, there weren’t any good US pro-Clinton fake news sites to copy and paste”.

  120. 120.

    HeleninEire

    Thanks for the CONGRATS, everyone. Very excited. Looks like my “pissing around all day long” days are over. It was a great first year. But it was time.

  121. 121.

    germy

    Megyn Kelly just did her opening monologue. Said we’re going through a revolution of women no longer tolerating harassment. She mentioned what happened at CBS, now at NBC, last year at Fox, and of course Hollywood.

    Not a peep about the current POTUS.

  122. 122.

    Sab

    @SFAW: Not all diaspora guys are/were Jews. Lots of other ethnicities got run out of where ever they were to where they are now, with a related history.

  123. 123.

    David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch

    Matt Lauer Fields Storm of Criticism Over Clinton-Trump Forum – The …

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/08/us/politics/matt-lauer-forum.html

    NBC’s Matt Lauer Receives Bad Reviews for His Forum With Clinton …

    https://www.usnews.com/…/nbcs-matt-lauer-receives-bad-reviews-for-his-forum-with

    Matt Lauer Is Getting Destroyed for Botching the Clinton-Trump Forum …

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/09/matt-lauer-clinton-trump-forum

    Hooooooooocoonode Matt Lauer was a misogynist

  124. 124.

    David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch

    @germy: she had to she was married. but once it became public she had to leave the show and NBC gave her another job.

  126. 126.

    David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch

    @germy:

    I don’t think she’ll be around much longer.

    ‘Megyn Kelly Today’ on Track to Deliver NBC’s Worst Sweeps Ratings Since 2000 (link)

    While the month isn’t over yet, Kelly is on track to deliver historically low numbers for the critical November sweeps period. In fact, if things stay where they are, Kelly will log the lowest sweeps numbers of any period since NBC’s “Today” franchise first claimed the 9 a.m. hour in 2000. And we’re not just talking about the advertiser-coveted 25-54 demographic or total viewers — we’re talking about both the key demo and overall audience members. The dismal ratings appraisal even holds up when looking at adults 18-49.

    Well, atleast Santa Claus is white.

  127. 127.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    @HeleninEire: Is Irish corned beef different from NY Jewish deli corned beef? There’s an Irish pub here in the Philly burbs (sounds fake, but it’s run by a couple of genuine Irishmen and seems pretty authentic) which we’ve been going to a lot lately, and I was avoiding one of my wife’s favorites, the “Reuben Boxty” because I figured I’d had plenty of Reubens in my life in non-Irish restaurants and I’d rather have the true experience.

    Well, I finally got one and she was right, the corned beef is delicious and I could swear it’s a very different flavor from the corned beef I’m used to. And I’m not just comparing to cheap grocery-store stuff but the real thing in delis.

    Incidentally, is a “boxty” a real thing? It’s a wrap, but they say the wrap is potato-based. I don’t ever remember seeing that word in Ireland, but I admittedly wasn’t there very long.

  128. 128.

    David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch

    If they got Lauer, how far behind can Matthews and Morning Blow be. I mean, Blow had to resign from congress cause he couldn’t keep his hands off married interns.

  131. 131.

    HeleninEire

    I haven’t had thw corned beef so I can’t speak to that.

    But the Boxty is real. And divine. There’s a restaurant in Temple Bar called Boxty and they advertise it as “The humble spud made beautiful.” And it is. If you ever get over here give it a try (after calling me! I’ll take you there!)

  132. 132.

    SFAW

    @Sab:

    Not all diaspora guys are/were Jews. Lots of other ethnicities got run out of where ever they were to where they are now, with a related history.

    Yes, I know. The point was not that they’re Jews — it was sort-of a throwaway line, even though that’s its primary meaning — but that they haven’t been thrown out of or migrated from places like those scary urban centers (for example).

    Or did I miss something, and them rural folks stopped thinking they’re the only real ‘Muricans — not like them darkies and other less-than-‘Muricans who don’t live in rural areas?

  135. 135.

    germy

    @David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch:

    I don’t think she’ll be around much longer.

    If Andrew Lack leaves, then I think Megyn Kelly’s future is uncertain. But as long as he’s in charge, I believe she’ll keep her morning show no matter how low her ratings sink. She’s there because he wants her there.

  136. 136.

    Tenar Arha

    @germy: Argh! You’re not kidding, but are you fricking kidding?!!!! (At this point I’d guess ? odds at least one of the cable or network bookers is a sexist gropy scumbag, along with at least one network head beyond Ailes).

  139. 139.

    rikyrah

    @BlueDWarrior:

    And yes I know I say that being a defender of Franken, but that is just more or me thinking he did wrong but didn’t do something politically fatally wrong. People can do bad and not have it rise to be the death penalty of their career immediately. But that makes me think that Laurer might have crossed the line into stalking/rape a lot more closely than the heads at NBC-Universal could have really accepted if he’s being terminated after 1 solid accusation with threats of others.

    I think someone had Bill O’Reilly – $32 million dollar proof against Lauer, because of the swiftness that he was shown the door.

  142. 142.

    Miss Bianca

    @HeleninEire: YAY!! Congrats!

    @O. Felix Culpa: Well, if I can’t share Helen’s great good fortune in being able to emigrate to Ireland, I may just settle for a move south of the border – the Colorado border, that is. BrewBuddy now thinks that northern New Mexico may just be the place for us after all, after having discovered the Santa Fe Honey Company!

  143. 143.

    Tenar Arha

    @rikyrah: TFW all your suspicions about what happened to Hillary Clinton are confirmed as some of the misogynistic scumbags get fired. *flames out of the side of my face gif*

    (I think I’m maybe on Twitter a little too much)

  146. 146.

    Miss Bianca

    @bemused:

    Borce Pejcev, Macedonian programmer who set up dozen of fake-news sites said, “Macedonians would have happily copied anti-Trump news too but unfortunately, there weren’t any good US pro-Clinton fake news sites to copy and paste”.

    Are we supposed to be drawing a lesson from this? How could “anti-Trump fake news” gain any traction when the REAL Trump news, sensationally bad as it is, couldn’t gain any traction?

  150. 150.

    Uncle Cosmo

    @SFAW: Beg to differ. Definition at https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/diaspora:

    1
    capitalized Judaism
    a : the Jews living outside Palestine or modern Israel members of the Diaspora
    b : the settling of scattered colonies of Jews outside ancient Palestine after the Babylonian exile
    c : the area outside ancient Palestine settled by Jews
    2
    a : people settled far from their ancestral homelands members of the African diaspora
    b : the place where these people live
    c : the movement, migration, or scattering of a people away from an established or ancestral homeland the black diaspora to northern cities

    The fact that the first definition, capital-D, is specific to the Jews doesn’t mean that the word cannot be used properly per the small-d second definition.

    My parents (who left WV for Baltimore MD in 1940) were part of a “redneck diaspora,” during which people moved in great numbers from Appalachia to industrial cities all over the USA to take up jobs as steelmaking, manufacturing & shipbuilding ramped up for the wars.

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