There’s some ongoing events that we should probably take note of. The first is that the Vice President was recalled to the White House this morning requiring that he cancel his attendance at an opioid crisis event in New Hampshire. There are conflicting reports as to whether he was already in the air and Air Force 2 had to be turned around to return to Joint Base Andrews or whether he was still en route to Andrews and his convoy was turned around and he drove immediately back.
Office of @VP say NH event cancelled "not for emergency" but unknown reason for "diversion" back to DC. #nhpolitics
— Kevin Landrigan (@KlandriganUL) July 2, 2019
Waiting for clarity on this situation from the White House — so far all they're saying is that it wasn't an emergency that caused the detour, but won't disclose anything more https://t.co/yOYquClFdY
— Kate Riga (@Kate_Riga24) July 2, 2019
White House echoes VP office line that there's "no cause for alarm" — no on-the-record answers about Trump's health/rumors that Putin just called an emergency meeting
— Kate Riga (@Kate_Riga24) July 2, 2019
"No emergency callback," clarifies @VP spokesperson but no one yet clarifying what "something came up" means. https://t.co/LJt3kqlaaL
— Steve Herman (@W7VOA) July 2, 2019
White House communications personnel are claiming there is no issue with the Vice President’s, a member of his family’s, or the President’s health, however, and unfortunately, because the White House communications team, as well as other White House staffers lie so often, no one is taking these statements at face value.
We can confirm @VP is in the @WhiteHouse now but unclear if he's meeting with @POTUS. Officials here trying to downplay any sense of crisis and insisting nothing wrong with @POTUS.
— Steve Herman (@W7VOA) July 2, 2019
What in the hell is happening in DC? I mean, in the last hour.
— Charles P. Pierce (@CharlesPPierce) July 2, 2019
The other important breaking news comes from Russia. The Russians have lost fourteen sailors to what is being reported as a fire aboard their naval “research” submarine Losharik. The scare quotes around research is because while the officially disclosed mission of the Losharik is deep sea research, the reality is that its real mission is espionage.
#Russia says 14 dead in deep-sea fire in its waters aboard "research submarine." https://t.co/Yg2xZts1v0
— Steve Herman (@W7VOA) July 2, 2019
Describing the Losharik as a 'research vessel' is a bit disingenuous. It is reputed to be the most silent and hard-to-detect submarine in the navy of #Russia — able to dive to a depth of 6,000 meters and tap or cut telecom cables on the ocean floor.
— Steve Herman (@W7VOA) July 2, 2019
No abnormal levels of radiation detected following #Russia #nuclear sub accident, according to officials in #Norway.
— Steve Herman (@W7VOA) July 2, 2019
There were reports yesterday that a Russian submarine was poking around a NATO anti-submarine naval exercise, so who knows if this is or is not related. Especially as the Russian government is not particularly forthcoming with the truth either.
https://twitter.com/RUMINT79/status/1146110394554970112
So that’s what has occurred this morning. Now we have to wait to try to figure out what actually has happened and why.
Open thread!
cain
I’m actually hoping Trump is okay. I don’t think we want to see a President Pence. These assholes will immediately get into a war with Iran. Who knows what else they will do now that they know they can pretty much get away with anything. Even the impeachment shit will be tossed.
James E Powell
Or, as they say at the GOS, BREAKING!!!
TenguPhule
First he came for the Muslims, then the refugees, and then the poor….
TenguPhule
Sure is a pity that they pissed away all their credibility over the last two years. They could sure use some now.
Adam L Silverman
@James E Powell: I didn’t want to alarm anyone because all of this may be just not much about anything. Other than the obvious loss of life on the Russian sub, which despite its mission, is tragic. And part of not wanting to alarm anyone is so that if I ever have to, Deity forbid, post the “HOLY SHIT!!!! EVERYBODY TO ARMS!!!!” post you won’t think I’m just overreacting.
TenguPhule
Ted Cruz is a blight on humanity.
trollhattan
6,000 meters? That’s a lot of meters!
Supposedly a spook sub from what little I’ve read.
Mike in NC
Three years ago Trump was claiming the federal government would have to occupy Chicago because of gun violence. As usual, it was a bullshit sound bite fed to him by one of his neo-Nazi advisors.
Also, too, isn’t he already on record as dismissing NH voters as a bunch of losers on opioids?
trollhattan
@TenguPhule:
I object, no evidence has established “Ted” Cruz as human.
Adam L Silverman
@TenguPhule: Also, he doesn’t read. C&BP has informed Congress and told reporters making inquiries that they cannot and will not take donations of goods for the detainees.
TenguPhule
Enforcement of food and drug safety regulations nosedives under Trump
All the foundations of our Republic are crumbling.
Adam L Silverman
@trollhattan: It is. Its mission is espionage.
TenguPhule
@trollhattan: Overruled. I called him a blight, I made no reference to any possibly humanity on his part.
Timurid
Do we know which airport Pence was supposed to land at?
I’ve heard it reported both as Pease (a military airfield where there was a security alert) and Manchester-Boston Regional Airport (a civilian airfield where there were no problems).
dmsilev
@TenguPhule:
WTF? I mean, I know that the Tribble parasite living on top of his head has been extending its tendrils into what’s left of his brain, but even with that, I still don’t know what that’s about. I’m not even sure what news story got passed through the Foxificstion filter to yield that.
I mean, generically his ‘bad people are unclean’ thing is a consistent theme with him,, but that’s a weird particular.
Cheryl Rofer
Adam L Silverman
@Timurid: I have not seen any reporting on that.
TenguPhule
@dmsilev:
Its believed he’s referring to this.
hueyplong
Kind of sad when you heave a sigh of relief that Norway has said something about an incident and therefore we have a statement we might be able to take at face value.
The Norwegians can’t be everywhere (i.e., on the Mexican border).
TenguPhule
I see the plan appears to be to run the same 4 vehicles around the block repeatedly to convince Trump his parade is the biggest. //
Sister Golden Bear
Much as Trump stroking out would be the best birthday present evah for me today, the thought is tempered by knowing President Dense would be far worse for people like me.
Adam L Silverman
@Cheryl Rofer: That would not necessarily surprise me. It would also not surprise me if he wanted to use the VP as a human foot stool.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@Cheryl Rofer: Well I was wrong, I was assuming Trump called Pence into watch an episode of Fox and Friends Trump had recorded.
patrick II
Trump lost his shirt while talking to Kim Jong Un and is wondering if perhaps Mike Pence knows where it is.
dmsilev
@TenguPhule: well, that worked for the Soviets during several May Day parades, so I assume Trump’s paymasters gave him the idea.
The Dangerman
If we see Melania with a shit eating grin…
rikyrah
For the Russians to actually ADMIT to something happening, something bad must have gone down….
Barbara
@Cheryl Rofer: Yeah, we are all kind of wondering how the Fourth is going to work, other than so many people will be scared off they won’t bother coming. It’s probably the most crowded DC gets on a single day.
Wapiti
@Cheryl Rofer: That’s… not a bad guess.
JPL
@Adam L Silverman: It doesn’t explain Pence’s return.
hueyplong
@Sister Golden Bear: At some point Trump will hit on the idea of going Full Pence in order to “motivate the base,” so it’s best not to waste even a small hope on his health and well being.
jimmiraybob
@Adam L Silverman:
No problems. You might also want to add a big red “HOLY SHIT!!!! EVERYBODY TO THE DEEPEST HOLE IN THE GROUND THAT YOU CAN FIND!!!! PREFERABLY BLAST- AND RADIATION-PROOFED” button to the BJ command and control desk.
Although I once heard that a shallow hole with a door placed over the you/hole and covered with a foot or so of dirt would do the trick (thank you Reagan administration). I get how the shallow hole and pulling a door over you would work but I was never sure who would be the one placing the dirt on top of the door after that. Is there an app for that?
beef
I’ll take Pence over Trump any day. Pence sucks in many ways, but he lacks Trump’s weird charismatic connection to the Republican base. Trump can credibly threaten Senators with primary opponents. Pence couldn’t even win reelection in Indiana.
Comrade Colette Collaboratrice
@patrick II: This is a nightmare version of the Which Is Worse game: Shirtless Trump vs. President Pence?
Comrade Colette Collaboratrice
@Adam L Silverman: @jimmiraybob: Since I just finished reading “The 2020 Commission Report on the North Korean Nuclear Attacks Against the United States” and I’m in San Francisco, with an office window facing northwest, this seems timely: should I be looking up or more toward the horizon for the incoming missiles?
Jim, Foolish Literalist
a big meeting in the Cabinet room to determine who has been eating the President’s… not strawberries… skittles? starbursts? scooter pies?
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@TenguPhule: Perfect would be a unit of Civil War reenactor with someone’s WWII era tank collection. Trump go on about our state of the art military.
The Dangerman
Maybe today was the day Donald decided to tell Pence that he’s off the ticket in 2020 and Ivanka is replacing him (i.e. one step above human foot stool)
SRW1
If the Russian submersible can go to 6,000 meters, it can’t be very big. Were the 14 dead its entire crew?
TaMara (HFG)
“Pence…you’re fired.” Who would Trump put on the ticket in that case? Ivanka? It would be irresponsible not to speculate.
Feathers
Confession. I am almost cheering for the tanks to crash through Memorial Bridge and into the Potomac. I am assuming that the tank crew will be able to get out safely, since there is a non zero chance of a tank going into the water in normal battle usage. Something horrible and obvious, with great visuals.
Crisis upon crisis is only helping Thrump. If there were only one abused child at the border, it would be a scandal. When there are thousands, the troops rally round. That is the Democrats problem, our scandals are things that fall through the cracks, so we focus on fixing them, not defending our people at all cost.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
zhena gogolia
@beef:
This is how I feel.
Cheryl Rofer
@rikyrah: Putin handled the sinking of the Kursk submarine in 2000 very badly and got a lot of people mad at him. He can’t afford that now, so he’s going to look like he’s on top of it. Might be influenced in a similar way by the Chernobyl video series.
Adam L Silverman
@rikyrah: And they may be trying to get their official story out ahead of things. Given the Losharik’s real mission, I’m curious as to the cause of the fire. Were they poking around in the designated NATO anti-submarine exercise area and got accidentally damaged? Got detected and the NATO fleet commander decided they needed to have their nose bloodied? Did we manage to get a cyber weapon into the Losharik’s systems and it went off with tragic effects? Was it just an accident, like a fire in the galley? We will likely never know the truth.
dmsilev
@TaMara (HFG): Trump has shown a remarkable aversion towards actually firing people himself, instead farming out the job to various minions.
JPL
@Adam L Silverman: Trump would start a war, if he felt he was going to be laughed at July 4th.
James E Powell
@Adam L Silverman:
You are admired and respected for your cool-headed approach, leaving others – and by that I mean me – to engage in hysterics.
waspuppet
“(Huff)(puff) What is it, Mr. President? I canceled the thing and got here as quick as I could.”
“Mike, I’m replacing you with Ivanka.”
“But — but that’s not –”
“You’ve done a great job here, but it’s just time for a change.”
“But the Constitution –”
“Leave your keys with Jared here.”
Chuck Todd: “Historic day at the White House …”
Tell me this couldn’t be happening.
jimmiraybob
@Comrade Colette Collaboratrice:
If I recall my training correctly, if you are inside a building you should have an old school desk available to duck under.
Adam L Silverman
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: McDonald’s fried apple pies.
West of the Rockies
I was going to say Pence is the Nilla Wafer of humans, but I enjoy one of those neo-cookies once every five years.
He is stale Wasa bread. No, he is a stepped-on slice of Wonder Bread.
Wapiti
@waspuppet: Amusing, but it couldn’t happen. A new VP needs to be approved by majority votes in both the House and Senate. (If Pence were to stroke out this afternoon, I’d be fine with Pelosi and her people refusing to seat any Republican.)
The Moar You Know
I take none of their statements at face value. I expect some of this from any administration, but this is the first one in my lifetime where my default position is “they are lying” in response to literally anything they put out.
There are no explanations for Pence getting hauled back to the WH that are going to result in me breathing a sigh of relief and saying “oh, that’s all right then.” Something bad happened.
jl
@Enhanced Voting Techniques: Trump wanted ‘brand new’ Sherman tanks. They couldn’t round up a few that still run under their own power? Are they small enough to not wreck up the place if you run ’em around and park them at random historic sites?
Trump is obsessed with this nonsense, news stories say he gets several briefings a day. Trump is fixated on having tanks at his political rally that he wants to insert into the public Fourth of July celebration:
” [Trump] also pushed to bring military tanks to the site of his planned speech at the Lincoln Memorial, prompting National Park Service officials to warn that such a deployment could damage the site, these individuals said.
Engineers were examining the site this week to determine if the weight of stationing armored vehicles there would affect the Lincoln Memorial’s underground rooms, according to one individual briefed on the efforts, who spoke on the condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the issue.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/trump-asks-for-military-tanks-on-the-mall-as-part-of-grandiose-july-fourth-event/2019/07/01/e9d274ee-9adc-11e9-8d0a-5edd7e2025b1_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.6404e1b08320
Maybe they could just put up some big cutout tank pix for the Lincoln Memorial political rally, that look like tanks from where Trump gives his rally speech?
Trump obsessed with a French style Bastille day. Including a military display there makes historic sense, though there have been periodic debates there about what is the best way to commemorate that day, given the horrors of the French Revolution. But transplanting that to the US is just dangerous fascism, or a sad and ridiculous display of personal vanity. I guess future events will tell us which it is. Though news of the chaotic instant planning suggest the latter.
Roger Moore
@Adam L Silverman:
My guess would be some kind of genuine accident. My impression is that the Russian military in general is in piss poor shape, and maintenance has been a serious problem on a lot of their equipment. Bad maintenance on something carrying out really difficult missions like diving to 6000m leads to ugly accidents.
Jay
Cheryl Rofer
@Roger Moore: Second that
Raven
USA,USA!!!
SRW1
@SRW1:
Found a website which claims the normal size of the Losharik crew is 25, all officers.
David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch
World cup thread – up!
Adam L Silverman
@Comrade Colette Collaboratrice: @jimmiraybob:
TenguPhule
@Feathers:
They would not. Its a 60 ton coffin in water.
Raven
@jl: They used inflatable tanks at D-Day!
gxb
Is there a way to project that old “Orly” owl meme onto the moon? Still wouldn’t be big enough but it’s a start.
dr. bloor
@jl: With a little luck, the weight of the tanks will create an enormous sink hole, sucking Trump straight down to the appropriate circle of Hell.
They should just inflate a bunch of decoy tank balloons with helium and march them down Pennsylvania Ave. Dipshit won’t know the difference anyways.
Jay
@Adam L Silverman:
Fires on subs are ususally batteries/electrical.
Battery fires are very bad.
Adam L Silverman
@Roger Moore: Would make perfect sense to me. I mean they deployed their only aircraft carrier for a couple of months, then had to put it into dry dock for five years, then the dry dock broke and collapsed, damaging the ship further. So now it may never be refitted and put back into service.
JPL
No matter what is going on at the White House, it’s probably a good idea to fill up the auto.
jl
@Raven: Excellent idea! The the tanks could run around, like in a real parade.
Or, they could put them on floats, with pretty models in swimsuits sitting in the turrets, smiling and waving. Trump would really like that, I bet!
@dr. bloor: Even better. A Macy’s military parade with tank balloons! The Snoopy balloon could be there in his WWI ace costume.
SRW1
@Raven:
Potjemkin tanks would work for the Thu event too. As long as they keep the crowds a few thousand feet away. And they could make it ‘Shermans’.
Roger Moore
@The Moar You Know:
The only possible up side is that the bad thing that happened might be something bad for them politically, not bad for the country.
Barbara
@TaMara (HFG):
We can be sure that’s not it because he would never call him back for a face to face if it were.
waspuppet
@Cheryl Rofer: Sounds plausible. Given what a shitshow this thing is looking like, I’ve reversed my opinion: I want enormous signs saying EVERYTHING YOU ARE EXPERIENCING RIGHT NOW IS BECAUSE OF DONALD TRUMP every 50 feet.
JPL
@Roger Moore: hmm What’s the Atty Gen of NY doing today?
Amir Khalid
Watching the US-England Frauenweltmeisterschaft semifinal. American commentators just don’t get football.
rikyrah
Tonight ICE deported 40 more Cambodian Americans who came here as refugee children.
This is the 5th consecutive ICE raid on this community.
Once every 4 months, more families are torn apart.
My heart is with all the people who said goodbye to their families tonight. pic.twitter.com/BSaPZvN3AV
— Kevin Lo (@kevinchlo) July 2, 2019
Comrade Colette Collaboratrice
@JPL: Ugh, I just remembered that my car is sitting in my driveway 5 miles away with only 1/8 tank of gas. Damned existential crises, always happening at the most inconvenient times.
@Adam L Silverman: Ha! Navy brat here. I went to schools located on or near bases. We never bothered with the nuclear drills – everyone knew they were just theater.
Fair Economist
@Adam L Silverman: I was reading about the Kursk disaster on Wiki (I can’t believe that was almost 20 years ago) and that really makes me suspect an accident. It’s boggling how many things apparently went wrong because of defective equipment or inadequate training in that disaster. I doubt things have much improved.
Aleta
@TenguPhule: They could surround the VIP area and make
the gueststhe campaign donorsthe marks pick up trash and stack the chairs before they leave.Captain C
@dr. bloor: We can tell him it’s FUSAG.
scuffletuffle
Pease AFB was closed down due to “possible shots fired.” If he was to fly in to that base, that might be the reason for the “diversion.”
Steeplejack
@Timurid:
I think it was Pease. I saw a tweet saying that flight restrictions there had been lifted after Pence returned to Washington, so I presume that was his destination.
sukabi
@dmsilev: my mom* was saying something about LA and the homeless yesterday.. Local news was saying that TB, the plague and several other diseases were making a comeback in the homeless populations. I suspect drumpf is referring to that.
* She doesn’t hear well and confuses / conflates stories, so it’s no telling what was actually reported.
kindness
I say this with snark but with this president it could very well be true. Trump really called Pence back so he could have Mick Mulvaney tell Pence he was being let go so Ivanka could take the position. Oh, and can you train Ivanka for a few months too?
scav
@Roger Moore: mmmm. Piss poor shape, shoddy maintenence, capable of plumbing great depths (both moral and physical), under Russian control. Yeah, accident could actually work for both current situations.
Roger Moore
@sukabi:
There have been real problems with the homeless encampments in downtown LA. There was a typhus outbreak in LA that was at least blamed on poor sanitary conditions, though there were also rats in places that weren’t full of homeless people, like LA city hall. The worry about plague is most likely a conflation, though. There has been some discussion about plague coming back to the LA area, but that was blamed on climate change, not on homelessness.
Chetan Murthy
@West of the Rockies:
It was reported that a Spaniard Instagram “star” filmed himself tricking a homeless man into eating an Oreo cookie where the cream filling had been replaced with toothpaste (for $20 or some such). The man proceeded to vomit the cookie back out (of course).
The only silver lining [apparently] is that he was eventually tried and sentenced to a jail term.
jimmiraybob
Setting aside the snark, I think that Trump would not let go of Pence until after the 2020 vote was counted and he was heading back to the WH – it would fracture his Evangelical base. Once they were of no more use to him He’d probably cut Pence loose in an instant and install the princess in waiting by EO, especially now that she’s won over all of the world leaders with her smile and bedazzlement. Damn, there’s that snark again. It just won’t stop.
wasabi gasp
Pompeo needed a calzone.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@jl: 40 tons for a Sherman verses 60 tons for an Abrams. John Cole probably could explain it better but I also gather the materials the tracks are made of make a difference.
I understand Paraguay just retired their last three Shermans .that were only used in parades. Maybe Trump is thinking of those..
Jay
https://thinkprogress.org/dhs-oig-homeland-security-report-el-paso-detention-center-conditions-used-to-deter-migration-9b0420b7e70b/
Chetan Murthy
@Chetan Murthy: Oh, sigh. I meant to add “and Mike Pence is that cookie”. Way to miss the punchline, Chet.
Yutsano
@Roger Moore: @Cheryl Rofer: Dad was on boats for the vast majority of his military career. Somehow it came up what his biggest fear on a sub was.
“Fires.”
We looked at him a bit funny.
“You only have a limited supply of oxygen. There’s only so many places you can go to escape it. Odds are what’s causing the fire is extremely difficult to put out. And you can’t just abort the mission to emergency surface to take care of the matter. Fires are the most deadly thing that could happen”
We never felt very comfortable after that…
I'll be Frank
meh, Marsha probably called and reminded Droopy that the opioid crisis was good for them.
jonas
Office of @VP say NH event cancelled “not for emergency” but unknown reason for “diversion” back to DC
Trump had to be talked down from ordering new battleship to be placed in the Reflecting Pool on the Mall for his big
Triumph of the Will-style campaign rally4th of July event.David Fud
@Adam L Silverman: Let them wonder about our capabilities for once. I hope we bloodied them, but I guess the likes of the BJ commentariat will never know. Of course, I am feeling particularly aggressive towards Russia – maybe I should calm down so as not to start doomsday.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@jimmiraybob: I suspect Gorsuch and Kavanaugh have solidified trump’s support among bible thumpers. I think trump would drop Pence in a heartbeat if Nikki Haley would take the job, but I don’t think she wants to tie herself that close to him
NotMax
Oh lawdy, what did Bolton do in Mongolia to foment the tizzy?
Spanky
Well, if they’re going to insist on parking the tanks next to the Lincoln Memorial for trump’s climactic speech, let them collapse into the underground rooms at the climax, preferably taking trump with them.
Spanky
@NotMax: Probably called them mongoloids.
stinger
@Sister Golden Bear: Happy Birthday anyway!
karen marie
So has the mystery been cleared up yet? Did the fuckwit-in-chief’s diet Coke button break?
Harry Hamid
Health scare? I don’t know whether I’d hear that as good news or not.
debbie
@Wapiti:
That might prove interesting payback for Merrick Garland.
Mike G
Can we get Trump to ride atop a tank wearing a helmet with his name labelled on it?
Because Republicans insisted when Dukakis did this it rendered him shamefully unfit to hold the office of President for all time.
Uncle Cosmo
@Cheryl Rofer: Mikey Dense? Former SMOTHOR (Stupidest Member Of The House Of Representatives)? Organizing?
Uncle Cosmo
@dmsilev: They did this with the Mya-4 Bison bombers. Per Wikipedia:
I guess none of our hotshot IC got a good enough look at the registration numbers to notice. Chachma!
Steeplejack
@Uncle Cosmo:
Or, gee, maybe the Russkies were wily enough to not have registration numbers on them. Risking the opprobrium of the FAA!
Sunken Chest
DebkaFile out of Israel was reporting a firefight between a US sub and a ruskie sub. Both got hit. The US sub went down and the Ruskie sub limped home with fire onboard. To avoid an all out nuke war, the story would be spun as an accident.