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Definitely Not the Armed Intelligentsia: Colorado’s 3rd Congressional District Called, Their Idiot Is Missing

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Yesterday, aside from getting into a tag team pissing match on the House floor over wearing masks, Lauren Boebert, the new member of Congress from Colorado’s 3rd congressional district, released an ad on social media explaining why she’ll be concealed carrying her GLOCK in both Washington, DC and in the Capitol. Here’s the ad:

Fun Filled Lollipop

There’s some issues here. Carrying in the Capitol is not one of the legal ones. It is legal for members of Congress to carry in the Capitol under a House rule created in 1967. Washington, DC, however, is another matter. In order to carry in Washington, DC one must have a Washington, DC conceal carry permit. Here are the eligibility requirements:

  1. Must be 21 years of age or older (18-21 with the authorization or a parent or guardian)
  2. Not convicted of a weapons offense, or a felony in any jurisdiction (including a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year).
  3. Not under indictment for a crime of violence or a weapons offense.
  4. Not convicted within the past five years for narcotics or dangerous drug offense, a threat to do bodily harm, or for assault.
  5. Not acquitted of any criminal charge by reason of insanity or adjudicated a chronic alcoholic by any court within the past five years.
  6. Not voluntarily or involuntarily committed to any mental hospital or institution within the past five years.
  7. Not suffer from any physical defect that would make it unsafe for you to possess and use a firearm safely and responsibly.
  8. Not found negligent in any firearm related mishap causing death or injury to another person.
  9. Not convicted of a misdemeanor intrafamily offense.
  10. Not dishonorably discharged from the U.S. Armed Forces.
  11. Not a citizen of the United States who has renounced his or her citizenship.
  12. Not legally blind.
  13. Not convicted of two or more violations for driving under the influence within the past five years.
  14. Not the subject of a civil protection order within the past five years.
  15. Not convicted of Stalking within the past five years.
  16. Not convicted of negligent storage of a firearm or a violation of the Firearms Registration Act within the past five years.
  17. Not had a history of violent behavior within the past five years.
  18. Has completed firearms training provided free of charge by the Metropolitan Police Department.

And here are the suitability requirements:

In addition to meeting all of the Eligibility Requirements to Register a Firearm, an individual applying to carry a concealed firearm must meet the follwing suitability requirements:

  1. Meets all the requirements for a person registering a firearm.
  2. Completed a firearms training course by an instructor certified by the Chief ( You may apply for an exemption based on previous training within the past 2 years)
  3. Is not presently an alcoholic, addict, or habitual user of a controlled dangerous substance, unless the habitual use of a controlled dangerous substance is under licensed medical direction.
  4. Has not exhibited propensity for violence or instability that may reasonably render a person’s possession of a concealed pistol a danger to the person or another.
  5. Does not currently suffer nor has suffered in the previous five years from any mental disorder, illness, or condition that creates a substantial risk that he or she is a danger to himself or herself or others.

What you can’t just do is show up in DC, regardless of one’s professional status – say a member of Congress – and just stroll around while strapped. Depending on whether Boebert actually filmed that strolling around DC or the whole thing is green screen, she has likely already committed a felony in DC. That is actually one of the least concerning things in that video. Let’s run a few down.

  1. Given the way she is carrying her GLOCK – and it appears to be a GLOCK 19 – at around the 5:00 to 5:30 position on her strong side with the holster outside the waistband and inside her belt, there is no way she didn’t muzzle herself while holstering. She’s high waisted and her butt is sticking way out because of the very high spike heels she’s wearing. There also isn’t a lot of cant on the holster either. The only way to get the muzzle of that GLOCK, which is a compact/carry size handgun, into the top of that holster is to tip the muzzle towards ones own lower back in order to get the muzzle into the holster before straightening the gun out and pushing it down into the holster. I’m almost 100% sure she did muzzle herself because if she hadn’t, the video wouldn’t have been edited to obscure how the gun gets into the holster as she holsters it. And given that this is a GLOCK and does not have a frame/thumb safety, just GLOCK’s Safe Action trigger safety – aka the trigger dingus – this isn’t like holstering a 1911 or a classic P Series or a Beretta FS92.
  2. She’s printing. Even if she and the video producers hadn’t bothered to highlight where she was carrying, because her heels push out her butt, which increases the arch of her lower back ,you can clearly see that she has something large under the back of her jacket.
  3. She’s carrying under a buttoned cover between 5:00 to 5:30 on her strong side. She’s not inside the waistband carrying, which would be impossible in jeans that tight. Not wearing jeans that tight is not something she would do because what she’s selling – both to her restaurant’s customers and to her potential voters is the sexy and hyper-sexualized gun bunny – there’s no way for her to get the cover garment/jacket out of the way, get the gun unholstered and unlimbered, and then presented on target before someone who was close and menacing her was on top of her. I teach martial arts. When I had my own dojo at USAWC I was teaching colonels, lieutenant colonels, generals, and spouses. The bulk of my students had spent the better part of the past 15 years deployed and carrying both sidearms and carbines in war zones. I would teach defenses against rushing attackers. Every one of my students, all with multiple deployments to Iraq and/or Afghanistan, got flummoxed when I’d charge them from within 30 feet. It takes a lot of training to be able to actually respond properly when someone is charging you. Basically she’s advertising to everyone she’s carrying, where on her body she carries, and because of where she’s carrying and how she’s dressing around the gun to carry she can’t get the gun out in the few seconds it would take for someone to get hands on her from within 30 feet.

There are a few other issues here. She carries a GLOCK 19. The standard magazine for the GLOCK 19 takes fifteen rounds, though it will take larger magazines. DC only allows 10 round magazines. So she’s either going to have to modify her magazines or buy the special 10 round magazines that fit the GLOCK 19.

I would also like to argue that contrary to her claims, Washington, DC is not particularly dangerous. I’ve walked all over DC while I’ve been on Temporary Duty there. Day or night. In business attire or in casual clothes. And while I realize I’m a 5’11, 268 lbs white male who is built like the guys who do Strongman competitions, I’ve never felt even remotely unsafe doing so.

What remains to be seen is whether Boebert has 1) already broken DC law by actually filming most of that video of her walking around conceal carrying in actual DC instead of in front of a green screen before she has gotten a DC conceal carry permit, 2) if she has violated the DC law regarding the size of the magazine in her GLOCK 19, and 3) whether she has actually bothered to get a DC permit yet.

One of the whole points behind conceal carrying is the phrase “concealed means concealed”. Specifically you don’t talk about, advertise, or otherwise acknowledge if you are or are not armed at any given time. This includes doing everything possible to make sure you aren’t printing. Not because printing is illegal per se (depends on the jurisdiction), but because the idea is that if no one knows if you or anyone else is carrying, no one has an advantage if they decide to attack you. Everything that Congresswoman Boebert has done in this ad, which is designed to bring in donations and rile up her constituents back in Rifle, Colorado, is tactically stupid. She’s advertised to the entire world that she is and will carry, where on her body she is carrying, and having the weapon print because of how she carries. Anyone who wants to basically take her gun from her and feed it to her now has the upper hand.

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  2. 2.

    FelonyGovt

    Thank you for this. As someone who knows zero about guns (and doesn’t want to know), I always wondered about the morons walking around blabbing about “concealed carry” while it was obvious they were carrying a weapon.

  4. 4.

    Anya

    She’s such a poseur. I loathe these fake tough guy/gals that populate the Republican Party. It’s so nauseating. Who finds this impressive?

  5. 5.

    The Moar You Know

    She should ask that pastor from Texas about carrying, but she can’t, because he’s dead from getting rushed at close range with zero training.  Shot with his own gun.  This one will end the same way if she doesn’t get a clue.

  6. 6.

    Old Dan and Little Ann

    I just watched 2 minutes of the orange menace speaking at his Georgia rally.  My eyes!  My soul!

  7. 7.

    Elizabelle

    She’s Florida woman. Born in Altamonte Springs. I read her wiki entry, and the WaPost article.

    Lauren Boebert sounds like shit on the hoof. She’s a walking “own the libs” psychotic. She sounds like pure id.

    High school dropout. No college

    I regret to inform that I think this congressweasel is Miss Bianca’s newly elected “representative.”

  8. 8.

    Constance Reader

    What’s the over/under on her being genuinely too fucking stupid to figure out that as an elected official, she is now the government.

  9. 9.

    different-church-lady

    So, just wondering here: what is it she thinks is going to happen to her family while they’re visiting Congress that’s going to require firepower?

  12. 12.

    Chief Oshkosh

    Anyone who wants to basically take her gun from her and feed it to her now has the upper hand.

    Insightful or inciteful? We report; you decide. ;)

  13. 13.

    The Moar You Know

    Every one of my students, all with multiple deployments to Iraq and/or Afghanistan, got flummoxed when I’d charge them from within 30 feet. It takes a lot of training to be able to actually respond properly when someone is charging you.

    I’ll take my answer off the line, Mr. Silverman, but I’m going to bet that your best option in a situation like that is to square up as best you can and either punch them in the face, or get low and take them down to the ground and try to grab any weapon they have.  I can’t think of any weapon the rushee could draw and use in that little amount of time.

  15. 15.

    jonas

    Truly brilliant people — and I’ve known and met my share, including several world-renowned scientists — never discuss how big their brains are.  Likewise, people who are serious about defending themselves don’t pull this “hey everyone!! I’m packing heat!!” poseur shit, like Adam says.

    What a clown. And no wonder she’s a big hit in Trumpworld.

  16. 16.

    raven

    “I would teach defenses against rushing attackers. Every one of my students, all with multiple deployments to Iraq and/or Afghanistan, got flummoxed when I’d charge them from within 30 feet”

     

    My DI told us “don’t be tryin to use this shit back on the block”!

  18. 18.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Not wearing jeans that tight is not something she would do because what she’s selling – both to her restaurant’s customers and to her potential voters is the sexy and hyper sexualized gun bunny

    Yup. A younger, quite possibly dumber and most probably less stable version of Sarah Palin.

  19. 19.

    cain

    I’ve stayed in Rifle with my gf – it’s a pleasant enough town. They get most of their money through tourism – so everyone is friendly and the like. Other than that there isn’t really much to say about it.

    Sad to hear that the rep from that area is a total gun nuts + own the libs and hilarious that she’s originally from Florida – but also makes sense – I mean they make their gun nuts there pretty dumb.

  20. 20.

    SiubhanDuinne

    She’s printing.

    I sorta kinda think I know what this means, but I’m not really sure. Could you (or someone) please provide a definition?

  21. 21.

    cain

    @jonas:

    advertising that you’re packing heat only means that someone is gonna take it away from you. Like showing off valuables.

    It also makes people around you nervous because there are in fact psychos. Unless you are a white male with a certain “look” – you’ll probably be hassled by the cops as well.

  22. 22.

    raven

    @SiubhanDuinne:
    “A visible indication that someone is carrying a concealed firearm. IE: An abnormal bulge under the armpit or in the waistband.
    Hey – see the guy in the Hawaiian shirt? Looks like he’s printing, he’s probably packing under there.”

  23. 23.

    Elizabelle

    Oh wait.  You’re missing the WaPost article today on this little gun bunny performance artist.
    In ad, lawmaker vows to carry her Glock around D.C. and on Hill

    … “I walk to my office each morning by myself,” Boebert says. “So as a five-foot-tall, 100-pound woman I choose to protect myself legally, because I am my best security.”

    Boebert also accuses D.C. residents of not understanding “how we live in real America” — echoing the rhetoric of anti-statehood Republicans who have suggested that people who live in the nation’s capital are somehow separate from the rest of the United States.
    A spokesman for Boebert said she was not carrying the gun throughout the video shoot, despite the opening scene. D.C. gun laws do not recognize concealed-carry licenses from other states, and nonresidents must register firearms with D.C. police.
    ….

    Asked about the ad on Monday, acting D.C. police chief Robert J. Contee III said Boebert would have to follow applicable laws if she wanted to carry a firearm on city streets, and would be subjected to the same penalties as anyone else if she does not.

    “There are no exceptions in the District of Columbia,” Contee said. “We plan to reach out to the congresswoman’s office to make sure that she is aware of what the laws of the District of Columbia are, what the restrictions are.”
    … Del. Eleanor Holmes Norton, the District’s nonvoting member of Congress, said Boebert’s comments suggesting that D.C. was not “real America” were “an insult to the residents of the District of Columbia who were part of the United States before most states, including her state.”

    Rep. Jared Huffman of California, who has led efforts among Democrats to ban guns on the grounds, called the ad “catnip to the gun-hugging donor class.”

    “That kind of grandstanding is clearly what this is about,” Huffman said. “It’s not about safety.”
    …  The 1967 law prohibiting the public from carrying guns on Capitol grounds was signed by President Lyndon B. Johnson (D) after race riots — back when “the Capitol was lightly guarded and White members of Congress were terrified about the Black Panthers charging into their offices,” as Huffman put it.

    Regulations created by the police board days later exempted members of Congress from the law but still prohibited them from carrying firearms in either legislative chamber.

  24. 24.

    Villago Delenda Est

    This woman doesn’t seem to realize that she is NOT an island; that those around her have a right to feel safe, too, and that precludes her packing heat when it’s obvious that the lights are on but she’s not in her ammosexual home.

  27. 27.

    danielx

    @The Moar You Know:

    From what I’ve read, the rule of thumb for policemen/women is that if someone is within 21 feet and rushes you with a knife you’re going to get cut if you don’t already have your weapon drawn. Unless you’re a honest-to-god fast draw expert, which is an exceedingly rare skill.

    Also: is it permissible to shoot someone who exposes you, your wife and daughter to COVID-19 because they apparently did not know the meaning of the word “quarantine”? Asking for a friend.

  29. 29.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Elizabelle:

    High school dropout. No college

    According to her Wikipedia entry, she advocates eliminating the U. S. Department of Education.

    Surprise, surprise.

  30. 30.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Elizabelle:

    Boebert also accuses D.C. residents of not understanding “how we live in real America” — echoing the rhetoric of anti-statehood Republicans who have suggested that people who live in the nation’s capital are somehow separate from the rest of the United States

    Not just DC, any big city/metro area, where the overwhelming majority of Americans live, is not “real America”. Again, shades of Palin. The idea long predated Palin, of course

  31. 31.

    jonas

    @The Moar You Know:  I’m going to bet that your best option in a situation like that is to square up as best you can and either punch them in the face, or get low and take them down to the ground and try to grab any weapon they have.

    I think he’s talking about someone charging you *even if you’re armed* is a tough situation to respond to. Like Adam, I do martial arts and the training is, if someone threatens you with a knife, get da fuq outta there. Put as much distance between yourself and the attacker as possible. Your average thug isn’t a ninja and most knives can’t be effectively thrown over any distance. If it’s a gun, or you think they have a gun, and you’re only a few yards away (and surrender/compliance isn’t an option), rush ’em. Fast. They’ll get flummoxed and hopefully won’t have time to aim well enough to hit you before you disarm them or take them down. You may get shot, but if you run and they decide to draw a bead on you and fire, your chances of being mortally wounded are much higher.

    People think just having a conceal/carry weapon automatically makes you a badass, but using it effectively is bloody serious business and if you’re not cool as a cucumber and lightning fast with a good aim, a fast-moving thug who knows what they’re doing will get you. Ask that (now dead) Texas pastor how that worked out for him the other day.

  32. 32.

    toine

    Does the Constitution actually apply in Fake America? She seems to be making quite a few assumptions about Fake America now that she is no longer in Real America…

  33. 33.

    Redshift

    I would also like to argue that contrary to her claims, Washington, DC is not particularly dangerous.

    Yeah, it’s really not. There are not-great areas like any city, but nowhere a congressperson is going to go. Like the wingnut protesters with their maps with vast swathes of “no go” areas, she and her supporters are racist assholes who are afraid of Black people.

  35. 35.

    Comrade Colette

    @danielx: Ugh. WTF is wrong with people? I hope you, your wife and daughter are OK. I hope the fucking idiot suffers horribly from paralyzing terror that they will drown in their own secretions. What happens after that is a matter of indifference, as long as they don’t spread it.

  36. 36.

    Ivan X

    There was a newly elected Tea Party member of the Senate in the criminally unseen Amazon Prime series Alpha House (by Garry Trudeau) who creates a standoff with Senate security when she performs a PR stunt by pulling her gun. That character sounds like the prototype for Boebert. Life imitates art yet again.

  37. 37.

    Alison Rose

    Okay so, I hate guns and I hate gun lovers and this chick is a fucking idiot and an embarrassment to womankind.

    BUT.

    And while I realize I’m a 5’11, 268 lbs white male who is built like the guys who do Strongman competitions, I’ve never felt even remotely unsafe doing so.

    The first part of that sentence is doing a lot of work. For women, the experience of walking alone anywhere, no matter how safe or how low the crime rates, is going to be massively different than it is for a white man. Not that I think her toting around a fucking Glock is going to protect her, because most likely a dude attacking her would be able to get it away from her in like two seconds…but just need to note that the idea of her being concerned for her physical safety as a woman in literally any town in any state in any country is not ridiculous, even if her response to it is, and that a large white man’s experience of safety means nothing regarding her own. It’s kind of like white people saying “Well gee, what are Black people upset about, I’ve never had any bad experiences with the cops!” Yeah, of course not.

    Again, don’t rake me over the coals, I’m not defending this little twat in the least. And I’m not implying that Adam thinks rape doesn’t exist or something. Just…that sentence bothered me, as a woman who has been put in fear of her physical safety in very very safe boring ass suburbia. I still would never carry a gun, though. And this woman is a dipshit.

  39. 39.

    Mai Naem mobile

    I say arrest her. I mean all these congress people have been arrested for protesting in DC. Isn’t that against the first amendment? You want to be stupid then consequences follow.

  41. 41.

    Comrade Colette

    @Alison Rose: Cosign.

    I lived in DC in the 80s – granted, when it was the murder capital, not just the Capital – and I was 5’5″ and about 120 pounds. I walked in fear every day for 6 years. I think men simply cannot inhabit what that feels like, just as I cannot imagine how it feels to be Black in America (or anywhere else, but you know what I mean).

  42. 42.

    Ohio Mom

    Boebert comes off as a complete country bumpkin who is going to be in way over her head in Congress. And bored by most of it.

  43. 43.

    Elizabelle

    @Redshift:   That might be because Ms. Boebert now lives in Silt, CO (yes, named after deposits of dirt), which has had a population boom. 1740 residents per 2000 census,  2,930 in 2010, and who knows what now.

    In 2000, it had a whacking 648 households, and its residents are 89.6% white. Again, those figures are old.

    The wiki link for Silt.  Needs updating.

  44. 44.

    Leto

    @jonas:

    People think just having a conceal/carry weapon automatically makes you a badass, but using it effectively is bloody serious business and if you’re not cool as a cucumber and lightning fast with a good aim, a fast-moving thug who knows what they’re doing will get you.

    Weapons training is a highly perishable skill. It’s something you have to constantly train at to keep it at a good level. Having a yearly refresher course, or spending a weekend at the range, is the equivalent of simple familiarization training. What these people suffer from is delusional hero syndrome. For the olds that would be John Wayne. For the yoots, that’s John Wick. And we’re all suffering from it.

  45. 45.

    cain

    @Redshift: 
    The whole 2nd amendment thing is probably just another racial trope against black people.

    It just astounds me how much of this crap is around racism, misogyny, and white male supremacy/patriarchy. Assholes.

  47. 47.

    Gin & Tonic

    @jonas: One of the most mild-mannered and unassuming guys I’ve ever known was (this was some years back) 4- or 5-dan in karate. Could easily kill almost anyone in seconds with his hands. Almost never spoke of it.

  48. 48.

    Steeplejack

    “Effective concealment conceals the fact of concealment.” – Kingsley Amis, The Anti-Death League.

  49. 49.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Old Dan and Little Ann:

    Aaron Rupar @atrupar 
    “I hope Mike Pence comes through for us. I have to tell you … of course if he doesn’t come through, I don’t like him quite as much.” — Trump

    “The wall. The wall. The wall. Remember? ‘We’ll build a wall. We’re gonna build a wall.’ And that’s right, Mexico is paying for the wall. Or if I were here, they would be.” — Trump

    If I were here.

     The Wall. The Wall. I can never quite put my finger on it, but I swear there’s a character in a movie, a once-huge stand-up comedian who is reduced to sweatily repeating his once-huge catch phrase to an audience that goes from indifferent to pitying to hostile. And even the Howler Monkeys are pretty quiet during this ramble.

  50. 50.

    Mike in NC

    Watching a French cop movie called Rogue City on Netflix. Part of it involves prison inmates. Got me to thinking if the food in French prisons is 4 or 5 star? Do they have wine lists in the cafeteria?

  51. 51.

    Wag

    A GOP Rep with a GED who is going to embarrass herself and embarrass my state. Thank god she isn’t my Rep.

  53. 53.

    Gravenstone

    @Elizabelle: still prohibited them from carrying firearms in either legislative chamber.

    So her gun will be available for the taking from her Congressional office whenever she’s in chamber. Duly noted.

  56. 56.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    One of the whole points behind conceal carrying is the phrase “concealed means concealed”. Specifically you don’t talk about, advertise, or otherwise acknowledge if you are or are not armed at any given time. This includes doing everything possible to make sure you aren’t printing. Not because printing is illegal per se (depends on the jurisdiction), but because the idea is that if no one knows if you or anyone else is carrying, no one has an advantage if they decide to attack you. Everything that Congresswoman Boebert has done in this ad, which is designed to bring in donations and rile up her constituents back in Rifle, Colorado, is tactically stupid. She’s advertised to the entire world that she is and will carry, where on her body she is carrying, and having the weapon print because of how she carries. Anyone who wants to basically take her gun from her and feed it to her now has the upper hand.

    Everything you pointed out here is true, but I also think people like Boebert think advertising that they’re carrying is like some kind of deterrent, like a country having a nuclear arsenal or something

  57. 57.

    Elizabelle

    She’s a piece of work.  Durango Herald story.

    On her educational background, she said she never claimed to have graduated from Rifle High School. “I went to my high school,” she said.

    “I was a brand-new mom, and I had to make hard decisions on successfully raising my child, or getting to high school biology class. And I chose to take care of my child,” she said.

    Boebert said she received her GED after completing a four-course review.

    “I didn’t go through the typical education course,” she said. “I was a great student. I had great grades. I loved being there, but I was starting my family and had different priorities.”

    …. “I wish more members of Congress had the life experiences that I’ve had,” she said. “I’m living the American dream. I came up from welfare, standing in line waiting for government cheese to now running for Congress.”

    Do you think she stood in a line for government cheese?  Really?

    Aside from her love for firearms, she is against abortion, sex education, and Planned Parenthood.  Also socialism.

    Another part of her backstory:  her mother was a Democrat, and they were poverty-stricken.  But:  records show the mom was a registered Republican in Colorado.

    Article begins: “Lauren Boebert defended herself against the latest attacks that her origin story – growing up collecting welfare in a Democratic household while learning the Republican values of hard work at McDonald’s – is misleading.”

  59. 59.

    sab

    @Comrade Colette: I am exactly your size.

    My husband had back surgery a few years ago. I went to visit him at the hospital. Meant to leave as it got dark. He said stay on and wait for his son (my big stepson.) I did.

    Kid came and we stayed until visiting hours ended. Then we left and went to our separate cars. He left me after dark, near a hospital, to get back to my car by myself. I am still shocked by his utter oblivious disregard for my safety. He pulls the same shit on his fiancee.

    Sweet guy but clueless on women’s safety.

  60. 60.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @cain:

    All I know is, Rachel mentioned that Trump had said something like “If Pence doesn’t come through for us on Wednesday, I won’t like him as much.”

    As always, it’s about him, not the people he’s supposed to be rallying for (of course in this case, if he turns off Perdue-Loeffler voters, that’s all to the good!)

  63. 63.

    The Moar You Know

    Now here is a fellow who got spit on in an elevator and had an effective response.  I want to understand exactly what he did that rendered the creep ineffective. Anybody have any thoughts?

    @Kattails: Wrestling takedown.  You’ll note the aggressor is a good foot taller than the guy who gets spit on.  Great for a fist fight.  Worst case scenario for wrestling.  Never fuck with short people.  If they know any wrestling they’ll destroy you.

    Also he knew the pain compliance points.  Getting dragged around by your skullet, like aggressor guy, would hurt like fucking hell.  You’re going where you’re dragged or losing some scalp.

  64. 64.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Elizabelle:she is against … sex education, and Planned Parenthood

    literally, and still.

    “I was a brand-new mom, and I had to make hard decisions on successfully raising my child, or getting to high school biology class. And I chose to take care of my child,” she said.

    She really didn’t see the joke set up where she said she had to skip biology cause she didn’t know how the reproductive process works?

  68. 68.

    Redshift

    @Comrade Colette: Entirely fair points from both of you. But it’s also clear what she’s selling isn’t “women aren’t safe anywhere,” it’s “I’m a badass going into the place where the Bad People are.”

  69. 69.

    Elizabelle

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:   It’s the Democrats’ fault!

    I think there is going to be a whole mini-industry looking into Ms. Boebert’s past. It may not have gone down precisely as she said.

  70. 70.

    mrmoshpotato

    Don’t hit an artery when you accidentally shoot yourself, you imbecile.

    So glad she’s now a member of the legislative branch.

  71. 71.

    danielx

    @WaterGirl:

    Yep. Sis in law and her girlfriend came over for dinner on New Year’s Day. They had been (supposedly) in quarantine for fourteen days in preparation, no signs of illness, no problems. Then the gf had a fever of 101.7 Sunday evening, tested positive today. THEN it transpired that a week ago Sunday they made a trip into the Meijer in Danville IL, a town where Covid is devastating the local populace. Didn’t inform us of this before their visit, and I would have said thanks but don’t come if sis in law had told us. Spouse told me sis in law is devastated for exposing us, and I said “Good. WHAT THE FUCK PART OF QUARANTINE DID THEY FAIL TO UNDERSTAND?”

    No sign of illness here (yet), but tomorrow will be five days from exposure. I am more pissed than I can express, which does no good at all. Wife had to cancel cataract surgery scheduled for today, which took months to set up. And us with a special needs child, who is melting down with fear. If we become ill and survive, my relationship with my sister in law (of whom I was quite fond) will never be the same. She has, at the least, proven herself to be ultimately careless and untrustworthy.

    Goddamnit, she knew better.

  77. 77.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    @danielx:

    I’m so sorry. I was briefly exposed to two co-workers a month ago who probably had COVID-19. They were symptomatic. We all wore masks of course, being at work. Thankfully, I never felt sick and nobody I live with has felt sick either. Hopefully the same happens for you and your family too

  78. 78.

    Elizabelle

    McDonald’s was her university. I wonder what she thinks about minimum wage. (She’s against Obamacare, because “small businesses can’t afford it.”)   Per the Durango Herald story.

    While in high school, she said she had worked her way up the ranks at McDonald’s, eventually serving as a manager, a job that paid well. If need be and under different circumstances, she added, she might have continued with a rewarding career with the fast-food outlet – a career that would have supported a family.

    “Businesses like (McDonald’s) are so vital to communities, and to helping people not only get a start, but to provide jobs that people could actually stay connected to for the rest of their lives,” she said. “And they’re often overlooked, as you know, mediocre or lesser-than, but they’re opportunity-creators, and I’m just so grateful to have had that experience.”

    Albeit, she missed a few lessons on food safety at McDonald’s and in that skipped biology class:

    The latest hits on Boebert come after revelations that a restaurant related to her Shooters Grill in Rifle served pork sliders that were responsible for sickening 80 people with diarrhea at the 2017 Rifle Rodeo [that sounds kind of indirect — related how??] and that Boebert had been arrested or issued a summons for several misdemeanors, including disorderly conduct at a country music concert and a dispute about dogs with a neighbor dating back to 2010. [Apparently a neighbor’s dogs were threatened by Lauren’s — what else? — pit bulls.]

    Mind you, there are nice pit bulls too. But these were menacing another dog, enough that there was a dispute between neighbors.

  80. 80.

    Adam L Silverman

    @The Moar You Know: I actually have a really non-aikido response that I’ve practiced multiple times to get it into muscle memory:

    1. Kick directly to the groin.
    2. As the attackers head comes down, grab behind the head/back of neck with both hands.
    3. Drive the head down into knee that is being brought up.
    4. Clear my field of vision to ensure there are no other assailants
    5. Respond to any other assailants.
    6. If no other assailants or once other assailants are done, call 911.
  81. 81.

    Elizabelle

    @danielx:   Wow.  Please keep us apprised.  I hope that you and your family do not come down with the virus.

    And, believe it or not, perhaps this woke up your sister in law.

  85. 85.

    Kattails

    @The Moar You Know: I was wondering, because he was not only shorter but looks to be older, but he seemed to fold the perpetrator up into a little ball, had him by the hair, and dragged him out the door. Could have done some serious damage if so inclined.  So there are “pain compliance points?  Are these things we should learn?

    @Adam L Silverman: Done walking the beasties yet?  I had commented on Boebert yesterday, went back to check my original lead. Looks like she’s been arrested four times, is under investigation for “unlawfully providing a handgun to a juvenile”, and was with her husband when he was arrested for exposing his penis to a minor, as per Shannon Watts on Twitter. (Watts is the founder of MomsDemand, “worst nightmare of the NRA”.) Where would this fit in with getting the necessary permit for DC? Obs. hubby’s libido issues wouldn’t factor in, but four arrests? Unlawfully providing a handgun to a juvenile?

  86. 86.

    Delk

    Didn’t her future husband pull his dick out in front of teenage girls? I bet he’s doing it online these days.

    ETA  see above.

  87. 87.

    evodevo

    @mrmoshpotato: Happened this last Oct to a local who was on my mail route…pulling his gun out of his waistband (??) while sitting in his pickup, and shot himself in the upper thigh and nicked his femoral artery.  DOA by the time the ambulance showed up to his rural location.  Didn’t help that he must have weighed a good 350 or more…

  89. 89.

    jimmiraybob

    I like how she feels the need to boldly carry her arsenal in scary old DC because she’s gonna have to walk on the streets and then relates the need to defend herself to a violent incident that occurred outside of her business in her safe little town full of god’s own people in good old god’s country.  Something fishy happenin’ here.

  91. 91.

    Mary G

    you could hear a pin drop at Trump's rally in Dalton, Georgia. His audience is checked out. pic.twitter.com/P4hJ8PFhCP— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) January 5, 2021

    He’s doing the one unforgivable thing – being boring. He’s done. Just a question of how much more damage he can do in 16 days. Probably a lot.

  94. 94.

    The Moar You Know

    Could have done some serious damage if so inclined.

    @Kattails:  I counted at least three times in which the aggressor’s head was driven into the metal wall of the elevator.  If I were the recipient of that sort of thing, I’d expect to be damaged and count myself lucky if I wasn’t.

  96. 96.

    Adam L Silverman

    @danielx: This is what I teach my aikido students. Then I demonstrate from charging them from about 25 to 30 feet out while screaming at the top of my lungs. It looks something like this:

    via Gfycat

  97. 97.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Elizabelle:

    pork sliders that were responsible for sickening 80 people with diarrhea at the 2017 Rifle Rodeo [that sounds kind of indirect — related how??]

    undercooked pork? unrefrigerated for too long before cooking? unwashed vegetables on the sandwiches? cooks’ hands contaminated from something else in the kitchen

    ETA: I’ve had (self-diagnosed) food poisoning twice. Once it lasted for four days– that was actually in Paris, which I won’t mention in the next thread. I wish I could have nailed down what exactly caused it.

  100. 100.

    Kattails

    @Adam L Silverman: How…how does one practice this enough to get it into muscle memory without having an actual person in front of you whose groin is getting kicked etc.  Just mental?  Students? I have never ever done anything remotely like this kind of training and can’t wrap my head around it.

  101. 101.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Alison Rose: That’s why I included the caveat. I am not subject to the same concerns, I have the privilege not to be, that women do. That visible ethnic or religious minorities do whether male or female, and that visibly LGBTQ people do. You are 100% correct.

  102. 102.

    Elizabelle

    Here’s informative website of the local anti-Boebert PAC, Rural Colorado United.  They have some stories to tell, apparently.

    September 2020 article from Grand Junction’s The Daily Sentinel:  Boebert’s Democratic Upbringing Questioned. 

    Rundown on Boebert’s numerous legal and social issues.

    … According to two Pueblo retired military veterans who have formed a political action committee opposing Boebert’s candidacy, the congressional candidate didn’t actually get her GED degree until May of this year, about a month before the June primaries and five months after entering the race.

    That group, RuralColoradoUnited.org, says it’s been looking into Boebert’s background and is troubled by what it sees. The group was formed by Pueblo residents George Autobee and Stephen Varela, who describe themselves as combat veterans.

    “Nothing about Lauren’s story is true,” Autobee said in an email. “She is not who she says she is. She has had multiple failed businesses, doesn’t pay her taxes, breaks the law frequently, and will do or say anything to get in the spotlight. She has told countless lies on the campaign trail, and we cannot afford this circus in Congress.”

  103. 103.

    WaterGirl

    @danielx: I don’t blame you at all for being absolutely livid.  Your sister-in-law lied to you about Covid and put you and your family in danger.  To say she is totally irresponsible doesn’t even cover it.  She has proven herself untrustworthy.

    If they did just take one shopping trip (masked and distanced?) that should serve as a warning to us all.

    I actually wonder if all they did was go to Meijer, or if they also had other trips out or other stops that day that she didn’t fess up to.

    The cataract surgery cancellation has to be a huge disappointment.  I am so sorry you have to go through this.  Don’t beat yourself up for being angry.

  107. 107.

    Elizabelle

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:   No, I was curious as to how the restaurant was related to Lauren.  Sorry to not make that clear.

    The Grand Junction Daily Sentinel story (link above) explains. She and her husband Jayson opened Shooters in 2013, and have been successful. They had a home foreclosure and a lot of financial difficulty in the decade before.

    As the owner of the restaurant Shooter’s Grill in Rifle, which had won her national attention because Boebert and many of her staff openly carry sidearms, she’s had many issues there, too.

    According to Garfield County public health records, her restaurant was cited for such things as potentially hazardous storage of some of her foods, failure to follow mandated hand-washing regulations by staff and failure to get and maintain proper county or state licenses.

    In 2017, as many as 80 people became ill after eating pork sliders purchased at a booth her restaurant operated at a local rodeo, pork that was prepared by Smokehouse 1776, another Rifle restaurant in which Boebert has a partial ownership.

    Garfield County Public Health said in numerous reports about that incident that several people who consumed the sliders, some of whom were as young as seven, experienced food-borne illnesses, with such serious symptoms as nausea and bloody diarrhea.

    The health department concluded it was due to “improper food safety practices of the unlicensed food providers.” Boebert’s restaurant was the only food vendor at the rodeo that year.

    Despite that, her restaurant has been lucrative. According to her financial disclosure statement filed with the Federal Election Commission, Shooter’s Grill had a gross income of more than $645,000 and Smokehouse 1776 another $17,700 in 2018.

  109. 109.

    Lyrebird

    @Comrade Colette: Yeah, in addition to your point, I think late 80s is also when some people counted up how different muggings turned out right there in DC and found that targets with no guns had a higher rate of surviving or at least of not getting shot.  I didn’t see the original research, but it certainly makes sense.

    Can understand Adam must be beyond <headdesk> <headdesk> seeing this person’s act.

  110. 110.

    Kent

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:Yup. A younger, quite possibly dumber and most probably less stable version of Sarah Palin.

    Palin was a garden variety ordinary Republican when she was in Alaska.  Pretty much somewhere in the median for the Alaska GOP when it came to brains and crazy.  I know. I was there.  Alaska had much more stupid and insane local GOPers and still does.

    Her only “mistake” was getting in over her head with national politics which are relentless and unforgiving.  And then she was smart enough to figure out that the real grift was FOX and reality TV.

    This new crop of QAnon crazies and Trumpers have taken things to a whole new level unimagined by the likes of Palin.

  112. 112.

    The Moar You Know

    In normal times the GLOCK 19 should run around $500.

    @Adam L Silverman: Not in California, and we’re about to have the traditional industry Price Hike of the Democratic Administration, Before They Take Your Guns.

    I wish I’d bought about a thousand Ruger Mini-14s back in 2001.  They were $199 back then.  They’re just under a grand in CA now ($950) and probably up another $200 bucks permanently once they get back in stock.

  113. 113.

    Adam L Silverman

    @mrmoshpotato: GLOCK Leg:

    https://www.alloutdoor.com/2016/05/10/glock-leg-condition-dont-want/

    From reports I have read recently, the current trend in negligent discharges seems to have gone on the rise with the popular advent of striker fired pistols that have no manual safety per se. To this end as well, most of these discharges happen during the process of holstering or unholstering the weapon. (I understand that the term for the resulting wound is “Glock leg.”)

    The former is the most prevalent as the user thrusts his weapon down into a holster with his trigger finger still on the trigger. While this move certainly seems natural enough, it can be a dangerous mistake not to keep the trigger finger off the trigger when there is otherwise no other safety device on the weapon. Sure, the weapon fires when the trigger is pulled–by the finger. Better to pay attention to safe gun handling than go through life with a limp.

  115. 115.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Not on the floor of the House, from what I understand, but in her office and elsewhere in the Capitol complex.

    Do they search members of Congress before they enter the Capitol complex?

  116. 116.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Kent: people speculated at the time that the combination of getting so close to power and the strain of being humiliated in the national spotlight broke something in her. I think something similar has happened to trump. He was  a monster long before he actually ran for office, but I do think his madness has gotten greater under pressure.

  117. 117.

    Elizabelle

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:   My god.  Look at that backdrop.

    Marine One helicopter.

    A day or two after the former Defense secretaries warned of misuse of the military.

    I mean, Trump does rallies in front of AF One too.  It’s easiest for him.

    But that military helicopter behind him tonight is just jarring.

  118. 118.

    The Moar You Know

     

    I think my greatest nightmare would be finding myself in this situation

    Just getting wailed on by a bunch of assholes at once

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):  Should be:  you could get killed, easily.  But also easily avoided.  If you see protestors, walk the other way.  Run only if needed.  But leave the area.  Protests are pretty much #1 on my list of situations to be left as quickly as possible, because most of the people who are there have the intent and ability to commit violence.

  119. 119.

    Kent

    @Elizabelle: Despite that, her restaurant has been lucrative. According to her financial disclosure statement filed with the Federal Election Commission, Shooter’s Grill had a gross income of more than $645,000 and Smokehouse 1776 another $17,700 in 2018.

    Typical restaurant profit margins are 3-5%.   If it was a typical restaurant, their $645,000 gross income would have netted between $19,350 and $32,250 net income for the couple.   Not what most people would call lucrative.

  120. 120.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Kattails: Unless or until she has a felony conviction, it won’t disqualify her. Her husband’s behaviors won’t disqualify her as they are his, not hers. Also, apparently, he’s pulled the exposure thing with more than one minor girl.

  123. 123.

    Kattails

    @Elizabelle: I was a waitress on and off for years. Anyone who thinks food safety regulations are for suckers should be fined into oblivion. Same with asshole gun humpers.

  124. 124.

    Mary G

    Yikes.

    Former Defense Secretary William Cohen just said this on @CNN:

    “All of us [10 living defense secretaries] came to the same conclusion that we are in danger, that we have a commander-in-chief who is not above trying to use the military in order to achieve a political objective.”
    — Ryan Lizza (@RyanLizza) January 5, 2021

  125. 125.

    Kayla Rudbek

    @Comrade Colette: yeah, co-signed. I’m even shorter than you are, and I don’t go into DC for evening events without Mr. Rudbek with me (at least for the return trip home on Metro). And the evening events are either artistic, entertainment, networking, or alumni events, so fairly fixed destinations and no pub crawling. If I was single, I probably wouldn’t even go out to any of those without a male companion.  But I would much rather have a tactical umbrella (not a concealed sword, just a beefed up umbrella) than a gun, as I can carry an umbrella around everywhere and not raise any eyebrows.

  127. 127.

    Kent

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:@Kent: people speculated at the time that the combination of getting so close to power and the strain of being humiliated in the national spotlight broke something in her. I think something similar has happened to trump. He was  a monster long before he actually ran for office, but I do think his madness has gotten greater under pressure.

    It is possible. She was very mainstream GOP, in fact something of an anti-corruption reformer in Alaska.  I dealt with a LOT of politicians during the decade I worked up there in fisheries policy.  It is a VERY small state when it comes to the political world so you end up seeing and meeting everyone at receptions and meetings and such.  I remember thinking “well, that’s an interesting and creative pick” when McCain picked her and honestly did not anticipate at all the level of crazy that was to come.  I was expecting more of a Nikki Haley sort of ride

    Damn near all the GOPers you encounter in real life are kind of dense, predictable, and hidebound.  You sort of assume is it just an act that the party and base demands.  But mostly they never get out of character unless you really know them.

  128. 128.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Mary G: did William Cohen ever publicly address his protege Susan Collins, who said trump “learned his lesson” when he was impeached and she voted to ignore it.

  130. 130.

    danielx

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Truth. There’s a small town police chief hereabouts who is notorious for having shot himself in the leg TWICE with a Glock, both times having caught the trigger on one of the waist drawstring thingies on a fleece vest.

  133. 133.

    sab

    @danielx: Jeez. Bubbles are there for a reason. We have had same issues with my husband’s people. Fortunately he doesn’t trust them so no conflict between me and him.

    My sister’s people are Asian in caution ( i.e. very very cautious) so no tension there, and I expect to see the great nephews when they graduate from high school.

  135. 135.

    Elizabelle

    The Pueblo Chieftan endorsed Boebert’s opponent, Diane Mitsch Bush, who had been a county commissioner and state House member.

    This non-endorsement of Boebert is a “we warned you.”  Sad that there is a track for Fox News/reality show types in the Republican party.  It is not about governance, but grievance.

    The leap from citizen to being a member of Congress with no experience in other elected government service is astronomical. Few pull it off. Boebert has no such experience; Mitsch Bush does.

    And for sure, even fewer make it work when they go in with guns blazing, promising to stand up and fight against the leaders of the opposite party, as Boebert has pledged to do as she swaggers across a Colorado field and our TV screens with a gun strapped to her leg.

    We are dismayed at the naivete that attitude displays, an attitude that is sure to land a freshman congresswoman on the Sub-Committee for Study of Extinction of the Large Red Fire Ant in the American West.

    There are 435 voting representatives in the U.S. House. But Boebert is going in there and promises to stop efforts to take away our guns (which is paranoid hyperbole) and stand up to Democrats Nancy Pelosi and “AOC”, aka Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a representative from New York City.

    Good luck with that, especially standing up to the Speaker of the House. Sure, Boebert can hold news conferences and be a darling on Fox News, but she would be ineffectual in Congress with that attitude. And that’s where we need success. Air time on conservative networks doesn’t help Colorado.

    Mitsch Bush, on the other hand, would be well-respected from day one, drawing significant committee assignments and she would begin working her way up the seniority ladder. That’s how the system works, and that’s how Colorado would benefit in terms of representation and legislation that helps our state.

    Boebert has made quite the name for herself in far-right circles, especially in opening her Shooters Grill in Rifle, where men and women dress up like cowboys and cowgirls, strap on their guns and wish they could have been extras in “Tombstone”.

    Fine with us. We think that’s where she should continue to hold court. She has no business in Congress.

    If Boebert is sincere in helping change government, we encourage her to start a little smaller; perhaps run for the state Legislature, for example.

  136. 136.

    danielx

    @WaterGirl:

    Oh yeah, they ran into Starbucks to pick up drinks instead of going to the drive up window too.

    They were double masked at Meijer, who knows about Starbucks? Neither sounds particularly high risk, but you know..quarantine means you don’t leave except to pick up groceries from the store parking lot. Better yet, have them delivered.

  137. 137.

    Kattails

    @Adam L Silverman: There are training dummies one can use– I could suggest about 140 available in Congress right now & I wouldn’t worry about being careful.  Other than that, of course, silly me–padding, slow motion, and so on.

    Going off to google How to fight dirty.

  139. 139.

    The Moar You Know

    sword.

    Sadly, in these latter days, they are rarely carried.

    @PIGL:  You won’t clear the sheath in time.  I know this because I can’t even get my Case knife clear of the sheath in the amount of time it would take someone to cross 30 feet and start beating my ass.

    You can open carry swords in CA by the way.  And any kind of knife that’s not a switchblade.   You can conceal carry most of them as well.  I grew up here thinking that was normal.  It’s actually REALLY illegal in most places.

  140. 140.

    sab

    @sab: He says well I used to run all through the Metroparks every day. Well yes I did. With a hundred and thirty pound exuberant German shepherd who adored me. Not the same as being alone in a  hospital parking lot at night.

    Also too, hospitals could mke them safe with guards. But that is expensive, and they are only protecting nurses and visitors. Not worth it.

  141. 141.

    Cameron

    @danielx: I don’t know about icing somebody who’s clueless.  If they’re disobeying a mask order in a supermarket and walk up and cough/spit/whatever on you or your loved ones, in Florida you could probably shoot them down and walk away under ‘stand your ground’ legislation.

  142. 142.

    Steeplejack

    This is some crazy stuff:

    OK you wanted outside the box:

    1. Pence would prefer not to subvert the Constitution on Jan. 6.

    2. But Pence feels a strong sense of loyalty to Trump.

    3. And Pence wants to avoid a demand that he pardon Trump upon a Trump resignation Jan. 19.

    So: Pence resigns as VP tomorrow.

    — Bill Kristol (@BillKristol) January 5, 2021

    Hard to tell if Kristol is joking.

  144. 144.

    danielx

    @Cameron:

    I was being semi-facetious. Can’t do away with an in-law even for rank carelessness and foolishness. Good thing too, or there would be a lot more domestic violence and there’s far too much already. Any domestic violence is too much, actually.

  145. 145.

    WaterGirl

    @danielx: Ugh. I’m angry for you.  I can imagine you might be a little bit mad at yourself for having trusted them?  But you couldn’t have known. I mean, how could you even think that family could lie to you about something so important to everyone’s safety.

  150. 150.

    danielx

    @WaterGirl:

    Yes, I’ve thought about that a lot. Viewed through the retrospectoscope (hence crystal clear) we should have said no, we’ll see everyone when we are all vaccinated. So yeah, partly our fault. But that was the whole point of their quarantining before coming to visit, and I like(d) this sister in law best. One mistake I’ll never make again, assuming I am given the opportunity. I am high risk as are wife and daughter.

  151. 151.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Steeplejack:

  153. 153.

    Suzanne

    @Alison Rose:

    For women, the experience of walking alone anywhere, no matter how safe or how low the crime rates, is going to be massively different than it is for a white man. 

    Absolutely right.
    L7 even wrote a great song about this: Can I Run.
    I don’t think most men really understand how it is to live as a woman out in public space.

  155. 155.

    Mary G

    Wow, this thread:

    The vaccine rollout is a 'train wreck' in Florida — a state which used Eventbrite to sign up people for shots (and since it's Florida, criminals are setting up fake Eventbrite sites and scamming senior citizens)1/https://t.co/awkxCuZsKr— Bill Grueskin (@BGrueskin) January 5, 2021

  157. 157.

    cain

    @Elizabelle: Mind you, there are nice pit bulls too. But these were menacing another dog, enough that there was a dispute between neighbors.

    If memory serves, pit bulls were illegal in Denver(?) Or it could be Colorado but likely Denver. Only recently was the ban lifted. Personally, I think a pitbull always reflects on the person, shitty person, shitty pitbull.

    Pitbulls are super nice – every one that I’ve met has been amazingly nice and sweet.

  158. 158.

    Suzanne

    @Elizabelle: “Lauren Boebert defended herself against the latest attacks that her origin story – growing up collecting welfare in a Democratic household while learning the Republican values of hard work at McDonald’s – is misleading.”

    Funny, I grew up not collecting welfare (and my mom didn’t get child support, but that’s another story), became a Democrat, worked at McDonald’s…. and learned that everyone should have the same opportunities I did so that they didn’t have to work their McJob forever.
    Fuck I hate Republicans.

  161. 161.

    Bill Arnold

    @frosty:

    Hope I never need to try to use it.

    You need to practice it. At least in the air, but with full force. Find a class with a good instructor, and with at least a little practice with real opponents and heavy bags/dummies.
    (I’ve acquired a couple of black belts in a direct hard style. Have worked out with some women who could drop(/kill- their choice) most men in seconds with their hands/feet.)

  162. 162.

    Mary G

    @danielx: Wow. A real breach of faith. I hope everyone escapes serious consequences, especially your child. These five days must’ve felt like 5 months waiting to see what happens.

  163. 163.

    WaterGirl

    @danielx: You can’t blame yourself.  They told you they had quarantined.  It’s a very specific word, and you made that point with your WHAT PART OF QUARANTINE DID THEY NOT UNDERSTAND?

    You can’t be a little bit pregnant, and it’s not quarantine if you interact with other people.  She and her partner both fucked up big time, and I hope that you, your wife and your daughter don’t end up paying for it in any way beyond the days of waiting and worrying.

  166. 166.

    frosty

    @Bill Arnold: Maybe, in the After Times, but mostly for fitness. I don’t have a lot of interest in self defense and TBH I don’t need it were I live. Except for the Trumpers all up and down the block who probably won’t go apeshit regardless of the news. And if they do it will be with firearms.

  168. 168.

    Sister Golden Bear

    @Comrade Colette: Cosign as well.

    When I was living as a man, I intellectually understood women’s safety fears.

    When I started being out in the world as a women, I quickly learned how that ever-present fear penetrates down your very bones.

    Guys, trust me on this, however much you think you understand this, you don’t. You just don’t.

  169. 169.

    frosty

    Damn, I’m tired of having comments on dead threads. Oh well, what the hell. (Said McWatt as he flew into a mountain)

  170. 170.

    Another Scott

    @Elizabelle: You mean she’s a lying liar who lies??

    Shocking.

    :-/

    With any luck, she’ll be expelled from the House or forced to resign before too long.  Here’s hoping she doesn’t cause any additional damage (to others and the institutions) in the process.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  171. 171.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Sister Golden Bear: That’s why I put that caveat in there. I have had a number of women as martial arts students. I get the reality and that I don’t have to live it and, as a result, don’t actually understand it.

  172. 172.

    A woman from anywhere (formerly Mohagan)

    @cain: Yes, every pit bull I’ve ever met has been super sweet and friendly.  But I’m a human (and a human woman at that).  Pit bulls are dangerous to other animals.  Usually not, and then every so often one gets triggered and some other animal gets killed.

    Just realized babies and toddlers can easily come under the umbrella of “other animals”.  They are small and make sudden, uncoordinated movements, which are notorious for triggering prey drive.

  173. 173.

    Another Scott

    @Adam L Silverman:

    RollCall from 2007:

    An aide for Sen. Jim Webb (D-Va.) was arrested Monday morning for carrying a bag containing his boss’s loaded handgun and two additional magazines of ammunition into a Senate office building.

    Phillip Thompson, a former Marine and longtime friend of Webb’s, was taken into custody by Capitol Police officers without incident at a door to the Russell Building after the pistol was discovered during a routine X-ray of his bag.

    “It was determined that there was no intent to harm anyone,” Capitol Police spokeswoman Sgt. Kimberly Schneider said.

    “To our knowledge, this incident was an oversight by the Senator’s aide,” Webb’s spokeswoman said in a statement released Monday afternoon. “Phillip Thompson is a … trusted employee of the Senator. We are still awaiting facts.”

    Thompson, who was bringing the bag into the building after Webb returned to Washington, D.C., from an out-of-town event, now faces felony charges for carrying a pistol without a license. Webb left the gun with Thompson before leaving town last week.

    “This doesn’t look at all like an attempt to smuggle a gun into the building,” said Senate Sergeant-at-Arms Terrance Gainer. “But the violation for which the person is charged doesn’t leave any ‘intent’ leeway. Our regulations up here are pretty clear about who can have a loaded firearm and where it can be and what it takes to bring an unloaded firearm onto the campus.”

    Although the D.C. prohibition against firearms was put into place in 1975, under a provision in federal law Members of Congress and their staffs are in essence given the right to bear arms on Capitol grounds.

    According to Capitol Police Board regulations established in 1967, Members and their aides are allowed to transport licensed firearms on the Capitol grounds in the course of carrying out their official duties provided the weapons are “unloaded and securely wrapped.” (Directives published in recent years also state that staff must be verified by Capitol Police.)

    Although the regulations expressly prohibit weapons on the floor of either chamber, as well as in the adjacent lobbies, cloakrooms and galleries, individual Members are allowed to “maintain firearms within the confines of [their] office.”

    But while Members and aides would technically have to violate District law just to transport a handgun to the Hill, Capitol Police are not under any obligation to report the offense to D.C. authorities.

    […]

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    Kent

    @cain:

    If memory serves, pit bulls were illegal in Denver(?) Or it could be Colorado but likely Denver. Only recently was the ban lifted. Personally, I think a pitbull always reflects on the person, shitty person, shitty pitbull.

    Pitbulls are super nice – every one that I’ve met has been amazingly nice and sweet.

    We had very nice neighbors here in WA.  Upper middle class family, dad is a finance executive, and mom works from home and is from the UK.  The took in a rescue pit bull of some sort.  I don’t now the dogs exact history but it was a rescue.  Twice so far it has attacked our yellow lab on the street.  First time my 10 year old daughter was walking him on the opposite side of the street and the dog came charging out of their garage to attack. Our dog got about 20 stiches before the woman got him pulled off.   Our daughter had nightmares for a week.

    Second time I was walking down the sidewalk with our dog on a leash.  Their 12 year old kid came out of their house with the dog on the leash.  He broke away and attacked our dog a second time.  I was wearing hiking boots and had to kick their dog multiple times as viciously as I could and finally dropped my leash and picked up theirs and had to viciously drag their dog off mine.

    They got divorced and relocated to smaller houses about 9 months ago.  If I never see another fucking pit bull it will be too soon.

  176. 176.

    Suzanne

    @Sister Golden Bear: Thank you for sharing your perspective on this. I don’t think most guys have any genuine understanding of how  many women are basically terrified all the time when in public space, and how living like that is absolutely exhausting.

  177. 177.

    Dave

    @Wag: sadly, she’s mine.  Gun bunny is a perfect description.  We called her Titty Pistols once her ads came out.  The Dems ran a snoozy grandma type, well qualified, but the wise voters chose the sexier brand of soap.

  181. 181.

    No One You Know

    @Alison Rose: Thank you.

    I’ve heard that a professor once asked the men in a college class what they thought about ensuring their safety when they are in public. Embarrassed grinds, shrugs, and dumbfounded looks ensued.

    Then he asked the women and had multiple answers in seconds.

    The room was quiet after that.

  182. 182.

    Comrade Colette

    @Redshift:

    But it’s also clear what she’s selling isn’t “women aren’t safe anywhere,” it’s “I’m a badass going into the place where the Bad People are.”

    Oh, I 100% agree on this. She’s a strutting fucking (ETA: and racist) dumbass and I don’t quite hope she finds that out the hard way. I do hope that if anyone gets harmed by her gun-humping dipshittery, it’s her and no one else.

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    spc123

    How can you have permission from a parent when 18 is the age of majority? No one has guardians when they are 19 or 20 unless under court order. Sure, there are still things that rely on parents (sometimes college payment rates or health insurance) at that age but they are not permission based. Not sure how that works.

  189. 189.

    jlowe

    Hi Adam. If I’m understanding this properly, you muzzle your hip when holstering the weapon and there’s a misfire at that instant, you blast a hole the diameter of a softball through your hip. Nicely done. Entertaining and informative.

  190. 190.

    chopper

    @Elizabelle:

    “I came up from welfare, standing in line waiting for government cheese to now running for Congress so i can help eliminate both welfare and government cheese for everyone else”

  193. 193.

    Miss Bianca

    @Elizabelle: I cited both these stories when I wrote about Bobert for the local paper. Didn’t make a damn bit of difference – Republicans were all about the Gun Bunny. Worked for our DA’s race, too – we had a good, competent (Democratic) DA who was appointed by the (Democratic) Governor after a string of scandals forced the former (Republican) DA to retire. Then a gun nut who’s been censured by the Colorado Bar – whose own SISTER wrote a letter to the editor telling people not to vote for her, because she’s a lying liar who lies – won the Republican primary and then the election. I expect more scandals and BS to come down the pike.

  195. 195.

    SanJac

    @Leto: This is exactly why I do not have a CHL. I own a pistol and I know how to use it quite effectively; however, I do not want to use the pistol outside the controlled area I have arranged within my home. If the assailant can break through the solid-core door with a major reinforced deadbolt securing my bedroom, I will already be awake, armed, braced on the other side of the bed, police on my cell, and aimed so that any misses will not go into the condo next door. Now, I feel that I am as prepared as I can be.

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