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You are here: Home / Balloon Juice / Make The World A Better Place / The Kids Are All Right

The Kids Are All Right

by TaMara|  August 22, 20232:01 pm| 80 Comments

This post is in: Make The World A Better Place, Open Threads, Something Good, Something Good Open Thread

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I’m pretty sure my biggest accomplishment at 10 was convincing my classmates to pick up trash along the fence line during recess and writing tv show episodes to perform with friends in my garage. This kid:

I’ve been told I don’t post enough photos of my cats. So here is Willow, guarding the yard.

The Kids Are All Right

 

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  1. 1.

    Alison Rose

    August 22, 2023 at 2:06 pm

    That boy is awesome and your cat is gorgeous.

  2. 2.

    Old School

    August 22, 2023 at 2:12 pm

    Is Willow guarding the lawn from tornadoes?

  3. 3.

    OzarkHillbilly

    August 22, 2023 at 2:13 pm

    Cats… Blech.

    (ducks and runs for cover)

  4. 4.

    trollhattan

    August 22, 2023 at 2:13 pm

    Pakistan has rescued all eight from the cable car stranded over a gorge–schoolkids and a teacher, I believe. Tricky!

    https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-asia-66580485

    Note to self for future travels: ask whether a cable car is homemade before using.

  5. 5.

    Ruckus

    August 22, 2023 at 2:15 pm

    @Alison Rose:

    That boy IS awesome!

    Willow looks like a cat not to mess with, as in can work and play way outside her/his size and weight class.

  6. 6.

    Ruckus

    August 22, 2023 at 2:15 pm

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    You have ducks?

  7. 7.

    OzarkHillbilly

    August 22, 2023 at 2:18 pm

    @Ruckus: Nah, I have chickens. Tamara has ducks.

  8. 8.

    Raven

    August 22, 2023 at 2:21 pm

    96 degrees and we’re waiting for the Ocracoke Ferry!

  9. 9.

    JPL

    August 22, 2023 at 2:24 pm

    @trollhattan: The video clips are scary.

  10. 10.

    HumboldtBlue

    August 22, 2023 at 2:24 pm

    Randy Rainbow has some thoughts on the Trump indictments.

  11. 11.

    The Pale Scot

    August 22, 2023 at 2:25 pm

    No app, no entry: How the digital world is failing the non tech-savvy

    This is becoming a big issue. Really I can’t leave FL because my dad or his sisters get befuddled at least once a day, I suck on the phone and haven’t found a good Remote Desktop client  for both Mac and Windoze. I’m not going to even talk about cellphones. They’re all from NYC, need a ride? Call a taxi. Make an appointment? Call and get a person answering. My parents didn’t need to deal with this shit  for their parents. They all live in “senior centric” towns with no services for seniors. They can’t even drive over to make an appointment because the phone service is remote. Ted Kaczynski has a point.

  12. 12.

    OzarkHillbilly

    August 22, 2023 at 2:26 pm

    @Raven: Goin’ to the island!

  13. 13.

    Suzanne

    August 22, 2023 at 2:26 pm

    Willow looks like a larger version of my dearly departed Nico (the best cat ever). Just beautiful.

  14. 14.

    OzarkHillbilly

    August 22, 2023 at 2:28 pm

    @The Pale Scot: How the digital world is failing the non tech-savvy

    The story of my life (lately).

  15. 15.

    JPL

    August 22, 2023 at 2:30 pm

    @trollhattan: When I was younger I had a short walk to school and no cable cars were involved.

  16. 16.

    Ruckus

    August 22, 2023 at 2:31 pm

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Sister won a coin toss at the local city fair when I was still in single digits. The very young, tiny bird turned out to be a very beautiful, but almost total asshole mallard. I got to take care of him. In many ways a good time. In some ways not so much.

  17. 17.

    OzarkHillbilly

    August 22, 2023 at 2:32 pm

    via my eldest, 49 seconds that tells you all you really need to know about the Scots and the Irish:

    Whiskey Is Anger Trapped In A Glass | #shorts | TOMMY TIERNAN

  18. 18.

    way2blue

    August 22, 2023 at 2:32 pm

    10 years old?  I think my biggest accomplishment was learning how to square dance in 4H.

  19. 19.

    HumboldtBlue

    August 22, 2023 at 2:33 pm

    Guess I should add the link.

  20. 20.

    OzarkHillbilly

    August 22, 2023 at 2:37 pm

    @Ruckus: I’ve had a few asshole roosters, They’d attack me every time I brought them scratch. After I drop kicked them a few times, they’d wait until I turned my back and then attack me. I learned not to turn my back to them. I also had one or 2 that were just to be laughed at. The most memorable was the bird I named Bruce Lee. When he crowed he sounded just like Bruce in a fight scene.

  21. 21.

    MazeDancer

    August 22, 2023 at 2:37 pm

    Fabulous kitty!

  22. 22.

    Villago Delenda Est

    August 22, 2023 at 2:51 pm

    Willow is gorgeous!

  23. 23.

    Ruckus

    August 22, 2023 at 2:52 pm

    @JPL:

    Freshman year HS I had to ride a bus ~ 30 minutes each way, to arrive at a Catholic all boys technical HS. Most of the teachers were brothers or fathers, for the six shops and almost all the kids didn’t act as much like kids as they did prisoners, right up until the doors on the bus closed. At which point all hell broke loose, every day. I believe more swear words were spoken in that 30 minute ride than when I was in the Navy. It didn’t look like the women bus drivers enjoyed their job.

  24. 24.

    Villago Delenda Est

    August 22, 2023 at 2:53 pm

    @OzarkHillbilly: Be very, very careful if cats acquire opposable thumbs and start reading The Art of War.

  25. 25.

    Alison Rose

    August 22, 2023 at 2:53 pm

    Today is the 40th anniversary of Depeche Mode’s third album, Construction Time Again. It’s such a wonderfully odd mix of the beginning of the end of New Wave, 80s synthpop, kooky electronica, and industrial bits inspired by Einstürzende Neubauten and achieved through banging pipes with sticks and recording in tunnels under trains. My first, second, and third favorite tracks, plus an honorable mention because more songs should talk about ice cream.

  26. 26.

    Soprano2

    August 22, 2023 at 2:58 pm

    I read that NY Times article about the focus group of TFG supporters. Ugh, it was as bad as I thought it would be, although some of them seem to not be that keen on TFG anymore. That they all think any Republican is going to beat Biden is delusional, though. They’re as bad as the people on our side who think Biden can’t lose no matter what.

  27. 27.

    OzarkHillbilly

    August 22, 2023 at 3:03 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est: I’ll be dead long before they evolve opposable thumbs, and when it comes to the Art of War, I’m pretty sure they were among Sun Tzus original sources.

  28. 28.

    Raven

    August 22, 2023 at 3:06 pm

    Fuck, we got halfway and another ferry had to us the same lane so we sat dead in the water. On the long ride they didn’t care if you ran your vehicle and used the AC but no-go on this hop. There are some folks and dogs who are struggling. We’re underway so it should be soonly.

  29. 29.

    OzarkHillbilly

    August 22, 2023 at 3:07 pm

    @Raven: Always carry an empty gatorade bottle.

  30. 30.

    Mr. Bemused Senior

    August 22, 2023 at 3:08 pm

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Fluffy’s Master Plan for World Domination

  31. 31.

    JPL

    August 22, 2023 at 3:08 pm

    @Ruckus: ha I didn’t even have to walk going to school, my father dropped me off, but I did walk the few blocks home.

  32. 32.

    Raven

    August 22, 2023 at 3:13 pm

    @OzarkHillbilly: I’m good. it’s the old folks and dogs I worry about.

  33. 33.

    dmsilev

    August 22, 2023 at 3:15 pm

    @The Pale Scot:

    haven’t found a good Remote Desktop client  for both Mac and Windoze.

    Try TeamViewer. The only downside I’ve found is that while it’s free for non-commercial use, whatever code they use to detect “illicit” commercial user can sometimes mistakenly tag home users and then you start getting annoying messages and time-limited sessions.

  34. 34.

    billcinsd

    August 22, 2023 at 3:16 pm

    @trollhattan: How could they do it without Elon Musk’s help? Or at least without Elon calling one of the rescuers a pedo

  35. 35.

    OzarkHillbilly

    August 22, 2023 at 3:17 pm

    @Raven: So, your wife and … brain fart brain fart… the little terrorist?

  36. 36.

    schrodingers_cat

    August 22, 2023 at 3:18 pm

    @OzarkHillbilly: Take that back! Cats are the best.

  37. 37.

    schrodingers_cat

    August 22, 2023 at 3:19 pm

    @Raven: I wanted to ask if you had any recommendations for pet health insurance?

    Hive mind, any suggestions welcome!

  38. 38.

    Alison Rose

    August 22, 2023 at 3:20 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: OR ARE THEY NOT?????

  39. 39.

    OzarkHillbilly

    August 22, 2023 at 3:20 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: My work here is done. :-) :-)

  40. 40.

    rikyrah

    August 22, 2023 at 3:20 pm

    Willow is beautiful

  41. 41.

    TaMara

    August 22, 2023 at 3:24 pm

    Martin Sheen brings the fire to the actors/writer strike

    (WATCH) Martin Sheen, joined by a few of his The West Wing cast members, speaks to supporters at the National Day of Solidarity rally in Burbank today. (Sheen reads a wonderful poem at the end) #SagAftraStrong pic.twitter.com/K7PUm5EGEg

    — Deadline Hollywood (@DEADLINE) August 22, 2023

  42. 42.

    OzarkHillbilly

    August 22, 2023 at 3:25 pm

    @Mr. Bemused Senior: DON’T LET THE CAT IN!!!!

  43. 43.

    Raven

    August 22, 2023 at 3:25 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: We use Embrace and have been very happy with them.

  44. 44.

    Jackie

    August 22, 2023 at 3:29 pm

    Remember all the mysterious deleted Secret Service emails from J6?

    Guess who has 3.1 million pages of them?🤭

    I bet there’s a lot of pants shitting happening!

    https://www.rawstory.com/secret-service-emails-obtained-jack-smith/

  45. 45.

    smith

    August 22, 2023 at 3:33 pm

    @Jackie: I thought it was texts, not emails, that were deliberately deleted. The story you link seems to go back and forth between “text” and “email” without any clear explanation.

  46. 46.

    Scout211

    August 22, 2023 at 3:36 pm

    @Jackie: Interesting. These are things we all knew or suspected, but this article points to Chad Wolf as the center of the cover-up, with Cuccinelli involved as well.  “Raises questions,” indeed.

     

    From the article in your comment:

    Among the things that the committee had discovered from emails was that there had been a series of warnings about the possible attacks on Jan. 6 well before the Capitol insurrection happened.

    The agency was moved under the purview of the Department of Homeland Security, a Cabinet-level position that was added after the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks. The Secret Service was sounding the alarm to Trump’s acting DHS Secretary Chad Wolf, who abruptly left on Jan. 12, 2021 after pledging to stay in office until Jan. 20. Wolf was never confirmed by the Senate for the post.

    Wolf and acting deputy secretary Ken Cuccinelli both were found to have deleted text messages around Jan. 6, 2021.

    It raises questions about whether Wolf was given the information by the Secret Service and if he passed it on to the White House, the Pentagon, Congress or any other law enforcement agencies.

    It makes access to emails all the more important for the Justice Department’s investigation.

  47. 47.

    Jeffro

    August 22, 2023 at 3:37 pm

    @Alison Rose: ah, that’s why they’re playing so much DM on my fave radio station today!  Good stuff.

  48. 48.

    Jeffro

    August 22, 2023 at 3:38 pm

    @Jackie: erma gerd, that’s awesome!

    CLEAN HOUSE, JACK!

  49. 49.

    trollhattan

    August 22, 2023 at 3:39 pm

    @Ruckus: My junior high years (grades 7-9) were via bus–maybe 40 minutes each way but seemed like two hours. Believe today as I did then you’re better off imprisoning the lot, then returning them to civilization at grade 10. Hated the entire experience.

    Have often wondered what the transit people thought at the end of the day when they noticed benches were missing.

  50. 50.

    Jackie

    August 22, 2023 at 3:40 pm

    @smith: You’re right. I wonder if it’s a combo of both? Or just sloppiness on the author’s part. Either way, “deleted” and J6 are key.

  51. 51.

    Scout211

    August 22, 2023 at 3:41 pm

    @smith: The article was kind of confusing, but it’s Raw Story. Enough said.

    The way I read it, the text messages were deleted after J6 but there were also emails that the J6 committee discovered:

    Among the things that the committee had discovered from emails was that there had been a series of warnings about the possible attacks on Jan. 6 well before the Capitol insurrection happened.

  52. 52.

    piratedan

    August 22, 2023 at 3:42 pm

    @Jackie: I’m dreaming of a miniseries being made and at the end of it, using the teletype printer montage of sentencing for members of the 45 Administration, a member of SCOTUS and his spouse, as well as members of Congress from both the House and the Senate and a final one for DJT and his family being remanded to jail.

  53. 53.

    Jeffro

    August 22, 2023 at 3:43 pm

    Btw I skimmed through that last thread (‘Surrender’) and…all of these clowns think they’re going to get off scot-free by employing a “First Amendment” defense?

    For real?

    Even when Jack Smith shows them THIS instance and THAT instance and oh yeah ANOTHER instance of where they were told they’d lost, and they decided to overthrow the government anyway?  When Eastman himself said that, in front of witnesses?

    The coup was just them employing their First Amendment rights?  Oh my.

    I mean, I know MAGA nation is dumb enough to believe it, but wow.

  54. 54.

    rikyrah

    August 22, 2023 at 3:45 pm

    I didn’t know he was a Thiel stooge.

     

    Uh huh Uh huh

     

    Ruth Ben-Ghiat (@ruthbenghiat) posted at 10:06 AM on Sun, Aug 20, 2023: They did that on Jan 7, 2021, when they did not disavow Trump and take the party in another direction. Ramaswamy’s “success” is symptomatic: he is backed by billionaire fascist Thiel, wants Putin to triumph in Ukraine, and wants to restrict voting rights. Couldn’t be clearer. (https://twitter.com/ruthbenghiat/status/1693278307427451178?t=4OL0mKF4pgXMdO9sQkMeBw&s=03)

  55. 55.

    patrick II

    August 22, 2023 at 3:45 pm

    I loved the national  science fair winners that Obama would invite to the White House each year. I especially remember a high school 17 year old who was stricken by a possibly deadly disease that was genetically determined, so she got an internship to a medical lab and found the genetic markers herself.  Also Obama loved the marshmallow gun.

  56. 56.

    Doc Sardonic

    August 22, 2023 at 3:46 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: We have used Veterinary Pet Insurance (VPI) in the past, which is now under the Nationwide Insurance umbrella. It was good, but a little pricey after Nationwide took over. We now use MetLife since it is an optional benefit from my wife’s job. We have been satisfied with it but sometimes their claims process gets a little quirky and takes a few phone sessions to sort out, mainly with how the vet does invoicing. We have multiple cats so if more than 1 goes to the vet if their invoices get combined that triggers the claim processing quirk.

  57. 57.

    Tony Jay

    August 22, 2023 at 3:46 pm

    Back in the sepia-toned days of childhood we would sometimes holiday at a Butlins camp outside Pwllheli (pronounced Puh-Thelly) in North Wales. Great fair, much fun, but it either included or was nearby a cable car ride that was hands down, no debate, absofrigginglutely the most terrifying experience of my life. And we went on it every single year.

    I still have the occasional nightmare about it now. Those poor kids. 

  58. 58.

    oldster

    August 22, 2023 at 3:47 pm

    The part that brought tears to my eyes was when he said,

    “My device is named “Revere” after Paul Revere, our famous American revolutionary….”

    Yes!  He is *your* American revolutionary, because you are American, even if many of your fellow citizens will not recognize you as one. And as an American, you get to claim Revere and Franklin and Lincoln and every great hero that has contributed to our nation. Your nation.  And you get to add your name to the list of great Americans who contribute.

    That’s the country I believe in — where a nerdy kid with parents from anywhere can claim his American identity proudly and join the honor roll of heroes by doing something cool and constructive.

  59. 59.

    bbleh

    August 22, 2023 at 3:50 pm

    @piratedan: … or it being typed out on a typewriter, click-click, click-click-click, ding! Followed by the paper being pulled triumphantly out of the roller and …

    … wadded up and tossed in the wastebasket.  “Nah, no producer’s ever gonna buy this.”

  60. 60.

    narya

    August 22, 2023 at 3:51 pm

    @Jeffro: I know they’re all trying to try this in the press–but in front of a jury the lawyers are going to say, “THIS is protected. THAT is not. Here’s why.” In one of the seditious conspiracy trials, the prosecutor said, if someone pulls up next to you at a light, and you look at each other and then drag race, you have made an agreement. Even if you didn’t talk about it, email about it, etc. I thought it was a brilliant example. In this case? You absolutely can make claims, whine, take these LEGAL actions; what you cannot do is that whole pile of things you did.

  61. 61.

    rikyrah

    August 22, 2023 at 3:55 pm

    Scott MacFarlane (@MacFarlaneNews) posted at 2:19 PM on Tue, Aug 22, 2023:
    ALERT:  Mark Meadows files “emergency motion” in federal court seeking judge’s order to “protect Mr. Meadows from arrest” in Fulton County case

    gov.uscourts.gand.319225.17.0.pdf

     

     

    Scott MacFarlane (@MacFarlaneNews) posted at 2:22 PM on Tue, Aug 22, 2023:
    In their court filing, Mark Meadows’s defense says it made a request yesterday to Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis to “extend” the Friday 12pm deadline for arrest
     

    Scott MacFarlane (@MacFarlaneNews) posted at 2:23 PM on Tue, Aug 22, 2023:
    Meadows’s defense “emergency motion”: “Mr. Meadows asks the court to order District Attorney Willis not to arrest Mr. Meadows before the hearing scheduled for Monday, August 28.”

    Scott MacFarlane (@MacFarlaneNews) posted at 2:35 PM on Tue, Aug 22, 2023:
    !! And noting this:

    Mark Meadows’s filing includes an email sent to his defense team by Fani Willis, in which Willis says “we are not granting extensions”

     

    BWA HA HA HA HA HA AH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

  62. 62.

    The Pale Scot

    August 22, 2023 at 3:58 pm

    @dmsilev:

    Thnx, I’ll check it out

  63. 63.

    TaMara

    August 22, 2023 at 3:59 pm

    @patrick II: Oh ,I completely forgot about that! I loved that about him. He so enjoyed those kids.

  64. 64.

    HumboldtBlue

    August 22, 2023 at 4:04 pm

    Joe Biden delivers again and again, and it helps millions of people.

    @rikyrah:

    Nicolle Wallace is on it now.

  65. 65.

    BeautifulPlumage

    August 22, 2023 at 4:06 pm

    @rikyrah: isn’t he special

    Hahahahahaha etc

  66. 66.

    Jeffro

    August 22, 2023 at 4:06 pm

    @rikyrah: “yes, Mr. Meadows…you really are going to jail for the orange clown.  Feel like talking yet?”

    (You’re next, Ginni)

  67. 67.

    bbleh

    August 22, 2023 at 4:07 pm

    @rikyrah: IIRC Jeffrey Clark, the DOJ mole, did the same, and they’re both pursuing the same line of argument, ie they were Federal officials doing their jobs, so they have to be tried in Federal court.

    (One counterargument appears to be, plotting an autogolpe with people outside the government ain’t exactly part of their jobs.  Also “I vas chust followink orderss” didn’t work very well the last time, but wadda I know.)

  68. 68.

    Tony Jay

    August 22, 2023 at 4:10 pm

    @rikyrah:

    “Mr Meadows asks the Court to respect the time-honoured precedent of ‘Heeeey, come on, we’re all just joking around here’ and abide by the well-respected tradition of ‘Now just hold on one cotton-picking minute, Missy, do you know who I am?’ in all matters concerning Mr Meadows’ keenly felt aspiration to stay out of jail and not be inconvenienced by your people’s partisan lawfare.”

    “………….”

    “You wanna meet some billionaires?”

    “…………..”

    “The defence rests.”

  69. 69.

    HumboldtBlue

    August 22, 2023 at 4:10 pm

    @bbleh: ​ 

    autogolpe

    I’ve never seen that word before, and that means I learned something today. Thanks.

  70. 70.

    The Pale Scot

    August 22, 2023 at 4:14 pm

    @TaMara:

    Hot Shots: Part Deux-Martin Sheen cameo, “I loved you in Wall Street!”

  71. 71.

    Roger Moore

    August 22, 2023 at 4:14 pm

    @narya:

    To me, the biggest issue is that the courts ruled against them again and again.  Trump and his band of miscreants have tried to pretend there was some uncertainty about things, but that’s just not true.  They thoroughly exhausted their legal remedies and only decided on the coup when everything else failed.

    Someone made the analogy to trying to settle a dispute with a bank over some money by going down and demanding it at gunpoint.  Even if you’re sure the money is really yours, you still don’t have the right to do that.  Trump’s situation is actually worse.  In his case, it’s more like suing the bank over the money, losing in court, and then going down to demand it at gunpoint.

  72. 72.

    lowtechcyclist

    August 22, 2023 at 4:23 pm

    @Raven: ​
     

    96 degrees and we’re waiting for the Ocracoke Ferry!

    I’ve tried cherry Coke and vanilla Coke, but I think I’ll take a pass on okra Coke.

  73. 73.

    Jay

    August 22, 2023 at 4:25 pm

    @lowtechcyclist:

    Let me just note, you don’t “drink” Okra Coke.

  74. 74.

    UncleEbeneezer

    August 22, 2023 at 4:27 pm

    I’m a war correspondent, reporting on endless anti-LGBTQ violence:

    Canadian writer, journalist, novelist and anthologist Michael Rowe reflecting on this heinous crime wrote in a Facebook Post on August 21st:

    “Quick exercise: take the phrase, “these are good, decent people who simply take issue with the LGBTQIA lifestyle,” and substitute literally any other minority group for “LGBTQIA.” What happens then? When you do that, are they still “good decent people?” Maybe ask Ms. Carleton’s annihilated husband and her now-motherless children.

    “As for me, I’m tired of the “thoughts and prayers” sop, and I’m tired of bigoted straight people’s primitive religious superstitions—pardon me, “religious freedoms”—taking precedence over the safety and freedom of queer people and their allies. And I’m especially bone-tired of the people who hate us being accorded the “good, decent people” designation in “debates” about our humanity, just because, apparently, in the general consensus, “alphabet people” still don’t really rate.”

    I’m in complete agreement with my journalist colleague and likely more so than bone-tired as I have literally like many in the LGBTQ+ movement and community been on the front lines waging this warfare against a segment of society who actually don’t possess a shred of humanity.

    Recently, the war has been focused on “parental rights,” directed at the LGBTQ+ community, most especially transgender and queer youth, in a campaign of terrorism designed to erase trans youth from existence. The right wants to forcibly inflict pain and suffering all in the name of “their” rights as parents to raise their children but the consideration for other people’s children be damned.

    …

  75. 75.

    John Cole

    August 22, 2023 at 4:34 pm

    Willow is fucking magnificent?

  76. 76.

    Jay

    August 22, 2023 at 4:36 pm

    Saudi security forces have killed hundreds of Ethiopian migrants and asylum seekers attempting to cross the country’s border with Yemen, Human Rights Watch said, shooting people at close range and firing explosive weapons at groups in the mountains in what could amount to crimes against humanity.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/08/21/saudi-arabia-human-rights-watch-yemen-ethiopia/

    Free link.

  77. 77.

    TaMara

    August 22, 2023 at 4:45 pm

    @John Cole: Yes she is and she has the sweetest personality. All tomboy energy. Hangs with her boys and loves on the dogs. Sits on my lap and licks my eyelids for reasons…

  78. 78.

    smith

    August 22, 2023 at 5:01 pm

    @rikyrah: One thing about Meadows that might legitimately hang things up for him is that there are big, undeniable clues that he has flipped for Jack Smith (he’s not one of the co-conspirators cited in the indictment), but hasn’t flipped for Fani Willis (he’s named in that one along with the other miscreants). If Smith is going to rely on Meadows’ testimony, it will be awkward if that testimony is pertinent to his GA charges. Jack and Fani will need to work this out.

    On the other hand, I don’t see how moving his trial to federal court would help with that, so that may be just delaying and jury-shopping.

  79. 79.

    lowtechcyclist

    August 22, 2023 at 5:05 pm

    @Roger Moore:

    To me, the biggest issue is that the courts ruled against them again and again. Trump and his band of miscreants have tried to pretend there was some uncertainty about things, but that’s just not true. They thoroughly exhausted their legal remedies and only decided on the coup when everything else failed.

    This. Not only that, before the legal challenges, they asked for and got full recounts in many of the disputed states. (The very thing Al Gore wanted in 2000, and SCOTUS shut it down. At which point Gore conceded.) And then all their legal challenges failed.  And then the electors voted in the 50 states and DC, and that should have been it. Fini. Done.

    They had the First Amendment right to scream bloody murder that the election had been stolen. They didn’t have the First Amendment right to create fake slates of electors and pass them off as real. They didn’t have the First Amendment right to try to persuade state officials to ‘find’ 11,780 votes.  They didn’t have the First Amendment right to encourage TFG’s followers to attack the Capitol in order to disrupt the counting of the electoral votes.  And they didn’t have the First Amendment right to make plans to take advantage of that disruption to further postpone the counting to create additional opportunities to change the outcome of the election.

    So good luck with that, Eastman, Meadows, etc.

  80. 80.

    Miss Bianca

    August 22, 2023 at 6:21 pm

    @TaMara: Wow. OK, now I actually want to watch The West Wing. That was a masterful speech and I render mad respect to Mr Sheen.

    Been thinking about what our community playhouse/movie theater will do when we run out of first-run movies and the strike continues. Documentaries and OLD movies the answer, I think. Also, we have been urging people to remember the power of live performance when movies are lacking.

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