I was reminded today that have been wanting to write about post about Marc Elias for quite some time.
I still don’t have time to do it justice so I think I’ll put this one up now with this tweet, and then put up another one when I have more time.
They hate me because I fight, they fear me because I win. https://t.co/dapeToKlUJ
— Marc E. Elias (@marceelias) September 2, 2023
Who says one person can’t make a difference?
If I thought he needed our money – which he most definitely does not – his efforts would definitely be something to contribute to.
Open thread.
Alison Rose
“I’ll address this on radio Tuesday.”
Oh gee. Goody. I cannot wait.
LOL they are so dumb.
Tony Jay
“Mr Levin, I know you’ve got that thing at the orphanage for Pete Thiel’s blood-drive, but the statement on Marc Elias needs finishing off.”
“Hack. Hitman. Plot. Disenfranchise. Fill in the rest. I’ve got a three pack of rubbers burning a hole in my pocket and my phone is set to mute. See you Tuesday.”
“Thanks, Sir. What time on Tues..”
Door slams.
“…day? (Sighs) Sometimes I don’t know why I married him.”
SFAW
“Disenfranchise tens of millions of Republicans”? Did a ton of state legislatures suddenly pass Rethug-like laws making it near-impossible for Rethug constituencies to register/vote? Dems would never do that, but it would only be fair, were they to do so.
[Yes, I know what The Traitor Levin is actually talking about. But his use of “disenfranchise” should get Inigo Montoya’d.]
smith
@Tony Jay: I don’t often laugh out loud for real, but this time you’ve done it! The twist at the end is perfect.
Suzanne
@SFAW: I have no idea why he’s talking about. Disenfranchisement?
smith
@Suzanne: It’s on behalf of the at least 98 million Murkins who wouldn’t be able to vote for their god-king if he were disqualified under the 14th Amendment.
Alison Rose
Whoa. OT and I’m sure Adam will cover this tonight, but looks like Reznikov is out:
I’ve really liked what I’ve seen of Reznikov. Don’t know anything about the replacement.
J. Arthur Crank (fka Jerzy Russian)
That “Mark R. Levine” fellow seems to resemble the north end of a south-bound mule.
Other MJS
Hilarious that they still think “Democrat Party” is clever.
Scout211
Remember an accusation is a confession for the Republican Party and their shills.
Suzanne
@smith: Wow. That is… a stretch.
Kay
I like him just because he isn’t one of the cool kids on Twitter. To be a cool kid you can’t fight hard and be a legal brawler, like he is. You have to put on a bored, ultra savy posture and Mr. Elias is just not that kind of lawyer, thank God :)
I always pull for him.
Geminid
@J. Arthur Crank (fka Jerzy Russian): Mark Levin has a radio show that plays 6-9pm on two of the local radio stations I listen to. I’ll give Levin a listen every now and then because I get a laugh out of how angry he is all the time.
Eolirin
@Suzanne: No, it’s worse than that. The implication is that Trump is the Republican party and the Republican party and it’s voters are Trump.
That he’s not just a man, but a stand in for the voters themselves. This is extremely dangerous, because it’s part of how they turn every attack on Trump no matter how justified or accurate, into an attack on Republican voters.
Trump’s interests and their interests become indistinguishable. This is how you get Hitlers.
Eunicecycle
@Kay: He seems to be a very smart lawyer with lots of smart lawyers working for him. And us! He rarely loses, because he has the actual law on his side, not what RWNJs think it is.
Baud
Elias is doing yeoman’s work. Awesome that he’s being recognized.
Scout211
@Kay: Good point. That appears to be why the DNC and the Biden campaign parted ways with him in July. He wants to go after the Republicans on all fronts and the Biden legal team wants to be more sedate and choosy in their attacks. At least that was what I was reading. Other reports say that he clashed with Bob Bauer.
I think he’s still advising the DCCC and the DSCC.
ETA: Here’s the gossipy “scoop” from Axios
MagdaInBlack
@Geminid: I listen for the same reason. He’s practically frothing at the mouth.
zhena gogolia
@smith: It’s a tiny Shakespeare play!
BeautifulPlumage
Has he already raised a ton for this work? I know he’s asks for donations. Just curious, have never donated myself.
different-church-lady
@SFAW: “IF I CAN’T VOTE FOR TRUMP I CAN’T VOTE!!1!”
Geminid
@Alison Rose: Rustem Umerov has an interesting background. Wikipedia tells me that he was born in Samarkand to Crimean Tatar parents who were later repatriated to Crimea. Their son graduated from business school and then built a successful investment business before entering Ukraine’s Duma in 2019. Mr. Umerov is slso a delegate to the Qulturay, the parliament of the Crimean Tatars that first met in 1917. He is 42 years old.
WaterGirl
@BeautifulPlumage: Our money would be like a shaker of salt in the ocean.
bbleh
@Geminid: so I’m sure a lot of it comes naturally, but still, to rant steadily, right on cue, for 3 hours every — what, Tuesday? weekday? — must require a little, um, assistance sometimes.
“Mark, you’re on in 15.”
“Oh man, jeez, I mean, I’m feeling kinda mellow right now.”
“Mark, the show! 15 minutes!”
“Aw jeez. Ok, uh, Hillary, Kamala, Pelosi, uhh, Obama, welfare, uhhh, Lesbians, uhhh, woke … dang!”
“Ok Mark, 12 minutes, I’m gettin’ the medkit.”
cope
Maybe my take is unpopular but I am not a fan of the 14th Amendment approach. Personally, I would like to see TFG nominated and then crushed at the polls. Making him a martyr by invoking the 14th is going to allow him to linger on the fringes even in defeat and might have some unpleasant (for us) downside down ballot.
wjca
Something to be said for a two prong strategy. One part (Elias) to slam forth everywhere. The other (Biden) to be more surgical.
Focus can sometimes find a tiny weakness and punch thru. Fighting everywhere forces the oposition to scatter their attention and resources. Kinda sounds like what the Ukrainians are doing to the Russians, doesn’t it?
wjca
@different-church-lady:
And Democrats in every down ballot race hope you don’t.
Geminid
@bbleh: Levin paces himself, starts out disgusted and gripes for a while before he works up to yelling. I get the sense that he’s pessimistic about his side’s chances now.
Roberto el oso
@cope: I ping-pong between agreement with your take and wanting to see Trump’s disqualification on legal grounds. The latter has some appeal because there seems to be such a single-minded focus on The Man Himself among Trump’s fans that his absence from the ballot might demoralize them sufficiently that they simply don’t bother to vote at all.
Scout211
Agree.
hitchhiker
My only question is who should play Marc Elias in the film that will one day be made about how he helped save democracy in the USA.
Tony Jay
@smith:
It’s the little things that make you smile that make life worth living.
Come to think of it his wife probably says that too.
zhena gogolia
@cope: I don’t like it either.
Alison Rose
@Geminid: I do like the “Crimea is Ukraine” energy behind putting him in the post! I’ll check with our resident Ukrainian speakers about pronunciation. I’d assume the first syllable is pronounced like “ooh” and not “you”, and that the emphasis is on that syllable, but I suppose it could be on the second.
Layer8Problem
For those on their way to the NYC area meet-up, we’re aft out in the air, under the name Jack.
Scout211
I don’t really have an opinion whether the 14th amendment lawsuits are positive or negative per se.
What I do like is the idea that the Democrats (and a few Republicans) are filing lawsuits against inmate P01135809. Lawsuits are his own personal strategy to bully and threaten anyone who crosses him (or demands he pay his bills). It’s nice to see the tables turned against him, again and again.
zhena gogolia
@Alison Rose: Looking on Wikipedia, it looks as if the stress is on the second syllable in both first and last names. The “u” in the first name is definitely pronounced as “oo,” but I’m not sure about the rest.
Mr. Bemused Senior
Aha. A song cue.
bbleh
@wjca: also gives Biden et al deniability. I kinda doubt there wasn’t a little consultation beforehand.
narya
I love me some Marc Elias. I do not love the 14th Amendment push, though–if/when TIFG is actually convicted on the J6 charges, then perhaps. But now? there’s no conviction. The one person who got thrown out–in AZ, I think?–had actually been convicted. I foresee lots of tit-for-tat (which we almost certainly will see anyway) if there isn’t more solid ground. More to the point, I think the most powerful case against TIFG is the one that is the most fair–not a “witch hunt” (even if he calls it that), but a jury trial.
Maxim
@bbleh: Yup.
Jackie
@Kay: He’s on Nicolle Wallace’s show a lot. He’s definitely a pain in the GQP’s ass😁 He’s like a one-man wrecking crew fighting to restore voting rights for the disenfranchised.
bbleh
@narya: concur. I know Great Legal Minds, including Conservative Legal Minds (the real Daddies, to whom attention must be paid), have opined that indictment is sufficient, but it rubs me a little the wrong way, because the vote — especially a national-level vote — is the source of political legitimacy in a democracy, and to say “you may not vote for whom you wish” feels a little like stacking the deck, and for all its legal legitimacy I think it would taint a Biden win. I think that’s a lot less true if the guy is a multiply-convicted felon, including of participating in an insurrection, not least because in many states convicted felons may not even vote (with which I do not agree, but it’s a measure of public sentiment).
@Scout211: agree with this also, not least because it raises the question very publicly and repeatedly and thereby erodes his general legitimacy. Maybe Biden can even start referring to him as “the former convict guy” or “the former guy … y’know, the convict.”
Timill
@Scout211: I want to see the 22nd Amendment lawsuits: make him swear that he has not already twice been elected to the office of President…
Geminid
@Alison Rose: I noticed that when Turkish Foreign Minister Hakan Fidan visted Kyiv 8 days ago there was a picture of him meeting an elderly man described as the head of the Crimean Tatar community. Fidan gave the gentleman one of those extra-warm handshakes where he grasped the man’s forearm while shaking his hand.
Alison Rose
@zhena gogolia: Ah, so more like “oo-MER-ov” probably.
Jay C
@cope:
like you, I’m conflicted over the possible invocation of “14th-Amendment solutions” re Trump and the 2024 ballot. On one hand, anything that might foreclose the possibility of keeping that dishonest and unfit character well away from any governmental power is a Good Thing (for the country as a whole). OTOH, unless and until TFG is actually *convicted* of sedition, or whatever, I think that official efforts to keep ANY candidate off the ballot (like in 1860) seem vaguely un-democratic, and might set a dangerous precedent: that the principle could be used by Red States to keep Dem candidates (and never mind third-parties), or whoever the Governor or the Lege doesn’t like, off official ballots. Which, we know, they would do in a flash….
ADD: IOW, what bbleh said in #43
ADD 2: and narya @ #40
Elizabelle
I understand the Biden administration’s concern about what the corrupt Supreme Court could do with some of the cases Elias brings, as good as Elias is.
So, I continue to hope that Democrats win big in 2024: Presidency and both houses of Congress. And that Biden “evolves” to expanding the number of seats on the Supreme Court to 13, at a minimum, and pronto. No time to waste, and let the Republicans scream themselves into apoplexy.
No one elected fucking Leonard Leo, or Mitch McConnell,
presidentdictator of this country, and we are running out of time to save democracy and alleviate climate change’s worst effects.Biden, and presidents before, have often said one thing (as a hedging motion, or to tamp down discussion) and then done another, once they have the political support and political capital they need.
WaterGirl
@Timill: hahaha
Wag
@narya: Given TFG’s predilection for lawsuits that delay, delay, delay I think a strategy that anticipates conviction in the Jack Smith DC trial and gets the ball rolling on disqualification as quickly as possible makes good tactical sense.
Another Scott
Made me look… The first hit at Democracy Docket for ’14th amendment’:
I don’t immediately see that Democracy Docket and Elias is himself participating in any 14th Amendment litigation yet. Ron Fein’s group “Free Speech for the People” is mentioned as filing several lawsuits.
While some people may agree that conviction isn’t required, I think lots of people are dubious. When TIFG is convicted Judge Chutkan’s court in DC, then he (and all the rest who participated in the insurrection) should definitely be excluded from the November 2024 ballot.
Cheers,
Scott.
wjca
And even if they don’t succeed, he’s going to be distracted. And probably distract his lawyers by demanding that they fight every one of them.
Because, of course, if he’s not on the ballot, then he obviously isn’t really a candidate. He’s convinced (wrong, but convinced) that being a candidate somehow makes him immune, so he’s gotta hang onto that.
Jeffro
ELIAS IS DOING YOU LAZY CLOWNS A FAVOR, GOP!
Jesus, is this so hard to understand? Make the Dems do all the work (and I do mean ALL) of beating, then barring, this utterly corrupt goon from office and the thanks we get is what? Levin pretending that we’re DENYING them some sort of awesome choice. Un-real.
CliosFanBoy
Pretty much anything that pisses off Levin is probably a good thing.
MisterDancer
Then we’re gonna need a bigger boat; one that can hold more than 50 Senators. Without that, it won’t matter much what Biden thinks on the matter; heck, he (and Obama) was all for that excellent voting rights bill and that died a too-quiet death.
zhena gogolia
@Alison Rose: Yes, that’s what I’m getting from Cyrillic Wikipedia (Russian, I’ll admit — G&T can tell us if the stress is different in Ukrainian).
zhena gogolia
@Alison Rose: I’m also seeing Rustam in some sources.
bbleh
@zhena gogolia: Balloon Juice, for all your translation needs.
Subscribedonate now!smith
I do, too. It would become like impeachment is now for the GQP, not a way to uphold a principle, but a way to score points and take revenge.
divF
The title of this thread is all Lermontov-ish (Герой нашего времени).
(I don’t speak any Slavic languages. But I lived with graduate students in that field in the 1970s, and things got stuck in my memory).
Regnad Kcin
Am I missing something basic, here? If convicted, he is prohibited from hold office. There’s nothing in the 14th A that says he can’t stand for office. He just can never be seated.
Mike in NC
The top four MAGAts that spent years whispering into Fat Bastard’s pig-like ears were Roy Cohn, Roger Stone, Newt Gingrich, and FOX News resident fascist Mark Levin.
Geminid
@Geminid: The Turkish Foreign Minister has a interesting background. Hakan Fidan served as a noncom in the Turkish Army from 1986 to 2001. He was posted to a special NATO force based in Germany and earned a degree from the University of Maryland World Campus while there, and then earned a Masters and a Doctorate from Bilkent University.
Erdogan named Fidan his Foreign Minister in June; before that he had headed Turkiye’s national intelligence agency for 13 years, and is well known in capitals like Baghdad, Erbil,* Kiev, Moscow and Tehran that he has now visited for the first time as Foreign Minister.
Fidan’s father is Kurdish, which may be why Erdogan entrusted him with conducting secret talks with the separatist PKK that began in 2007. The negotiations led to a ceasefire in 2012 that broke down 3 years later.
*Erbil is the capital of the Kurdish Regional Government, which controls Iraq’s three northern and mostly Kurdish provinces. Fidan was there the week before last, after two days of talks in Baghdad.
Redshift
@bbleh:
Yes, it is, but the problem with this is the same as with the Lindsey Graham types who argue that he shouldn’t be prosecuted because the appropriate way to defeat him is at the ballot box. And that problem is that what he is charged with is trying to overthrow an election, and that’s not something that should be answered by a vote of whether the people are okay with it.
wjca
Until judges (and, perhaps, some bar associations) decide they are out of patience with frivolous suits. Because you just know the RWNJs aren’t going to pick their charges for anything like plausibility.
zhena gogolia
@divF: I hope Elias is more principled than Pechorin.
Redshift
@Regnad Kcin:
That is true only if it’s judged that the 14th A applies to the particular crime he is convicted of. He’s not charged with seditious conspiracy, the closest thing we have to an insurrection charge, so (if we’re assuming a conviction would make a 14th A ruling more likely), there would have to be a judgment of whether his particular crime qualifies.
Narya
@Wag: and, for me, it’s really THAT trial. The others aren’t about overthrowing the government. GA could work maybe, but I’d prefer a federal conviction for this particular strategy. I don’t expect it though—and if ex-Rs want to pursue it? Have at it. I just don’t want Dems doing it w/o a fed conviction. My 2 cents…
lowtechcyclist
@Timill:
This! There’s nothing in the language of the Amendment to suggest that you actually have to hold office either time; once you’re elected twice to the office of the Presidency, you cannot be elected to that office again. Period.
So I think it would be quite reasonable for states, before allowing his name to be on the ballot next fall, to require that he submit affidavits to them admitting that he wasn’t elected President in 2020.
ETA: WRT the 14th Amendment, I’m good with using it only after TFG has been convicted of J6-related offenses. Once that happens, he should be taken off the ballot in as many states as possible. But not until then.
Redshift
@smith:
The real question is always whether that will happen anyway, or only happen if Dems push the 14th A approach. Remember, there were wingnuts who were promising they were going to impeach Hillary Clinton even before the 2016 election, so the wingnuts going down that path isn’t just a reaction to the Trump impeachments.
Snarki, child of Loki
Whether that 14th Amendment is used against Trump or not, you’d be foolish to assume that GQPers aren’t going to try to use it against Dems.
Just like they’re trying to see about impeaching Biden based on stuff “his kid might have done”.
You don’t stop a bully by hoping that they’ll “play nice” if you you play nice. You stop them by punching them in the face* HARD, to show them the consequences of their actions.
(*or kicking them in the nuts)
lowtechcyclist
@Snarki, child of Loki:
Sure. But we still have to win elections, which means we have to do that in a way that doesn’t make the median low-information voter think we played dirty.
hueyplong
@lowtechcyclist: And this low info voter hasn’t a clue about any possible shenanigans on the Republican side? I’ve got some fatigue with the concept of rules being applicable only to Democrats, and assume a few other people feel the same way.
Jackie
Elias isn’t mentioned in this Axios piece, but I see his fingerprints all over. The embedded link breaks down by states where Dems have gained and where there’s more work to do.
“Push to expand voting rights gains ground in 2023”
““Two years after Republican-led states approved waves of new voting restrictions, more states in 2023 have improved access to voting than have limited it,” Axios reports.”
““Key takeaway: 29 states and Washington, D.C., have enacted a total of 70 laws expanding voting rights this year, while 16 states have enacted 29 laws to restrict voting.”“
Jay C
@lowtechcyclist:
Kinda hard to do in the Age Of Trump: where the bulk of those “low-information voters” have been conditioned (I.e. near-hopelessly brainwashed) by the RWNJ media – the only ones they trust – to believe, a la their Orange Messiah, that ANY election *they* don’t win, is, pretty much by definition, rigged/biased/dirty/fraudulent…
Scout211
@Jackie: have you tried to put the quoted parts of your comments in a text box? Sometimes I have a hard time reading your comments and I don’t like to miss them because you post excellent comments and links.
No worries if that’s too much of an ask.
wjca
If you can find their balls. There’s an argument to be made that a major explanation for their behavior is a fear (terror) on their part about a lack in that area**. Who are you to say they’re wrong on that?
** As I think about it, that might be a factor in their hysteria about trans people….
SuzieC
@Scout211: Agree with this! And he will have to hire EVEN MORE lawyers to defend all these lawsuits. Where will all these lawyers come from?
gene108
@cope:
Trump almost won in 2020. 45k votes in GA, AZ, and WI decided the 2020 election, just like 71k votes in PA, MI, and WI decided the 2016 election.
I want him disqualified by any means possible.
There’s nothing preventing Trump from winning in 2024, despite losing the popular vote by millions, again.
The only votes for President that actually matter are those cast in actual swing states.
KSinMA
@Timill:
Me too. It’s much more satisfying.
Burnspbesq
All it will take to get the ball rolling is for one state AG to write an opinion for the Secretary of State saying the publicly known facts are sufficient to conclude that Trump is disqualified, and it’s on. There are at least two AGs known to be looking into it.
if I were a betting person, my money would be on Nessel in Michigan. She’s already shown she’s got big ones.
bbleh
@Redshift: yes, a line has to be drawn somewhere, otherwise we’re defenseless against what amounts to a momentary PR/advertising phenomenon. But that line has to be drawn carefully and (sigh) conservatively precisely because it is an exception to the popular will as the touchstone of legitimacy.
wjca
Just so the first one is somewhere like Michigan, i.e. a purple state. (Georgia would be even better.) But starting with Massachusetts or California would probably be counterproductive when it comes to starting a cascade.
Jackie
@Scout211: I’ve tried; but then everything ends up in the box. I can’t figure out the trick to prevent all or nothing 🤷🏼♀️
bbleh
@Burnspbesq: @wjca: I’d also be very happy with a conviction by a Georgia jury. And yeah the MAGAts will complain about those you-know-whos in that Inner City, or whatever else they can latch on to (or invent) to complain about, but Georgia ain’t exactly the loopy Left Coast or the People’s Republic of Taxachusetts.
Another Scott
@Jackie: If you’re in the quote box and are finished with the quote and want to get out, just go to the end and keep hitting the Enter key. That will close the quote box and get you out.
HTH!
Cheers,
Scott.
brantl
@Geminid: Since Rush died, he’s hands-down the smarmiest sounding weasel on reich-wing radio.
brantl
@cope: I think you underestimate the kind of crybabies that they are, if they can’t vote for the Mango Menace, they won’t vote at all.
Scout211
@Jackie: Yeah, that happens. But what you can do to prevent that is put extra space between the part you plan to put in the quote box and your comment. Sometimes you have to hit the space bar a few time to get the separation.
I use two different ways to do a quote box. If you have just one paragraph to quote, you can place the cursor at the beginning of the paragraph and (in visual mode) tap the quote button. If you have several paragraphs to place in the quote box, you can select the entire text and then tap the quote button.
Sometimes it takes a few times to get it right. Tapping the quote button again while your cursor is on the paragraph, will erase the quote box and you can start over.
gene108
@Jackie:
@Another Scott:
In the comments window there are 2 tabs in the upper right hand corner. One says “Visual” and the other says “Text”.
I always use the Text tab to block quote things, because I find the Visual tab hard to use.
In Text, there’s a button that says “b-quote”. Click on it and
{blockquote>* appears. Paste what you want to the right of the ‘>’ at the end of blockquote. Then scroll to the end of what’s pasted and click “b-quote” and {/blockquote>
appears. What you want to quote should be between the two block quotes
*{ is to keep “blockquote” from block quoting what I wrote. The blockquote will be between a ‘<. ‘ and ‘. >’
Scout211
The visual mode is much, much easier for those of us who have never learned the ‘/‘, ‘>’, ‘<‘ etc. meanings and have never used them before. I guess we all have our favorite way to do things.
brantl
@Jackie: Before you set the box, do a return before your out-of-box text, and highlight your box text, then click the quote symbol.
Uncle Cosmo
IANAL, so please humor me for a second:
Given that there is a state that denies a felon the right to vote, when does that denial occur? Immediately after the accused is convicted of a felony? But suppose the accused (now convicted) appeals the conviction? If the conviction is overturned on appeal, the right to vote would presumably be restored. Suppose an election occurs while an appeal is ongoing. Should the convicted felon lose the right to vote in that election if there is a chance that the verdict will eventually be overturned on appeal? Seems to me that until all appeals are exhausted, “it ain’t over till it’s over” and the right to vote should not be denied until they are.
Moving on to disqualification under the 14A, it seems to me that this would require (1) conviction of a crime that is generally agreed involves insurrection against the US government, and (2) a final verdict, i.e., the denial of all possible appeals on behalf of the convicted. Even assuming (1) (which would need to be tested in court, especially if the disqualification is made by some official without benefit of a conviction in a court of law), what prevents Cheetoh Benito from dragging out the appeals process as long as possible while simultaneously claiming that he should not be disqualified since it ain’t over usw.? **
Suppose the final appeal is denied after ballots for the 2024 general election are printed? Since the head of the ticket is now disqualified, do any votes for him go to the VP candidate because the Greedy Oil Plutocrat part doesn’t have time to pick a new Presidential candidate? Oy oy oy…
–
IMO we just need to forget about disqualifying OrangeCandyAss & work 10x harder to beat the living snot out of him and whatever anal remora is on the ticket with him.
** “Und so weiter”, i.e., etc. Sorry, I’ve been studying my college German too much…
JaySinWA
@brantl: I simply hit enter twice to get out of the quote box.
/out of the box thinking
Citizen Alan
@brantl: Off topic, but the judge I work for has been really cool so far. That said, his voice sounds alarmingly like Rush Limbaugh’s if Rush Limbaugh talked about ordinary human things instead of racist, sexist, fascist Democrat-bashing. I don’t know my judge’s politics, and hope ever to find out, but when I just hear his voice in court, it’s kind of eerie.
WendyBinFL
@hitchhiker: I think Paul Giamatti would be a perfect choice to play Marc Elias in any future film! (Sorry to show up so late with this!)
patrick II
It should be after a conviction and federal. If left up to the states only those with . a Democratic trifecta would go for it. And only about five states matter anyway. And if it came down to one state and Trump loses because he was not allowed on the ballot in that state there would the hell to pay.
Betty
@Scout211: Summing it all up, it seems more like a clash of egos than anything else.
Betsy
@Jackie: type your comment, then highlight a quotation and add the quote mechanism to just the highlighted portion. You do have to type the rest of the comment first or it’ll be caught up in the quote (at least, I don’t know another way)
lowtechcyclist
@hueyplong:
You may be aware that the mainstream media’s reporting is a tad unbalanced.
Yeah, I’m rather fatigued by it myself, but other than not subscribe to the FTFNYT, there’s only so much a person can do about it.
lowtechcyclist
@Jay C:
I was talking about the median voter, and making the point (badly, apparently) that that voter is also a low-information voter.
IOW, I wasn’t talking about TFG’s acolytes. There’s no point in even thinking about winning their votes.
Sean Nuttall
Can you imagine the nerve it takes for a piece of shit like Mark Levin to call someone else a hack. Surely irony is dead
wjca
@Betsy: type (paste) the quote. With the cursor anywhere in the quote, click on the quote marks above. Now it’s in a box.** Put the cursor at the end of the quote. Hit Enter once, and you now have a new line inside the box. Hit Enter again, and the new line has disappeared and you’re outside the box, ready to say what you want.
** If you have a multi-paragraph quote, you have to repeat for each paragraph. Again, the cursor anywhere in the paragraph will do the job. They will end up in a single box.