Guy literally has two Ivy League law professors for parents and neither of them ever sat him down and gave him the “don’t go on tv and tell people all your crimes” talk https://t.co/SsRnyVHMzx
— Gas Stove Prayer Warrior (@canderaid) November 1, 2023
I have a new favorite reporter on the SBF Trial. Elizabeth Lopatto, at the Verge, says “Sam Bankman-Fried doesn’t recall”:
Midway through Sam Bankman-Fried’s cross examination, as prosecutor Danielle Sassoon went through a brutal line of questioning like a hot buzzsaw through a butter cow, I found myself reflecting on how smart the average person is. Maybe they don’t know calculus. Maybe they’ll never read Ulysses. Maybe they can’t code. But they definitely know how to identify bullshit when they see it.
So if you, like Bankman-Fried, have moved into the Clintonian territory of “it depends on how you define ‘trading’’” you done fucked up, son. Make whatever “sophisticated” argument you like; even the stupid will see through it.
At various points during Sam Bankman-Fried’s cross examination, I saw jurors shake their heads, frown so hard their lips disappeared, and make prolonged eye contact with each other. Personally, I now have a Pavlovian fear response to the phrase “Is it your testimony that…”
On the stand, Bankman-Fried’s demeanor suggested a spoiled child complaining he didn’t get the biggest scoop of ice cream at his birthday party. He didn’t want to answer the prosecutor’s questions, or his lawyer’s questions — he wanted to answer his own questions, which he liked better. He often replied to yes-or-no questions with nonsense…
… Who was making decisions to spend $8 billion of customer funds? Bankman-Fried couldn’t recall knowing anything about it. Were there rules or requirements for how money borrowed from FTX would be returned? Were there rules for risk management? “I was concerned with overall risk management,” Bankman-Fried said.
But it was the testimony about June 2022 that resonated the most to me. Didn’t Bankman-Fried ask what “fiat@ftx” was? He did. But — I did hear these words uttered aloud in a court of law this morning, I am not creative enough to make this kind of thing up — his employees told him “they were busy and I should stop asking questions because it was distracting.”
Yedidia — Bankman-Fried’s college friend, Bahamas roommate, and employee at FTX — had testified that he’d asked Bankman-Fried about the $8 billion hole on a padel tennis court in their luxury complex in June or July. Today, in testimony, Bankman-Fried seemed to be trying to deny that conversation had ever taken place. It was not until Judge Lewis Kaplan intervened to ask if Bankman-Fried had ever been told by Yedidia about that money, in words or in substance, that Bankman-Fried admitted he’d been told.
“So it’s your testimony that your supervisees told you to stop asking questions?” Sassoon asked. She could have been filing her nails, her tone was so level. Had Bankman-Fried called anyone in to ask who spent $8 billion? “I wasn’t trying to build out blame for it,” he said. He was focused on solutions! Did he fire anyone? Nope!…
Look, uttering phrases like “hole isn’t really the word I would use” and responding to a question by saying you wanted “a few more qualifiers and scoping on it” do not, as a general rule, bode well for your believability. Yes, this will win certain kinds of nerd arguments. But this is a courtroom, and I have come to believe that if you know the meaning of the word “epistemology,” you absolutely should not testify in your own defense…
Sassoon successfully established yesterday that Bankman-Fried has a long history of dishonesty. Today, through a set of questions about what Bankman-Fried did and didn’t do, she established that the story he told on direct examination was absurd. After a brief redirect examination by Bankman-Fried’s own lawyers, which was resplendent with word salad, Bankman-Fried stepped down, and the defense rested their case.
Closing arguments start tomorrow, and then the case will be handed to the jury. In the meantime, I will continue to ponder the appropriate response to misplacing $8 billion. Crying? Fainting? Maybe it actually is padel tennis — I wouldn’t know. Net sports are not my area, and no one has ever given me $8 billion to misplace.
Supplementary — Wired, “Sam Bankman-Fried Sealed His Fate Long Before the FTX Trial”:
… Bankman-Fried is standing trial on seven counts of fraud in connection with the collapse of FTX. The exchange fell into bankruptcy after users found they could no longer withdraw their funds, worth billions of dollars in aggregate. The money was missing, the US government claims, because Bankman-Fried had funneled it into a sibling company, Alameda Research, and used it for risky trades, debt repayments, personal loans, political donations, venture bets, and various other purposes.
Bankman-Fried recalls events differently. On the stand, under questioning by his own legal counsel, he painted himself as a well-intentioned but overworked businessperson. He conceded that costly mistakes were made with respect to risk management, but claimed never to have defrauded anyone. For every potentially incriminating aspect of the relationship between FTX and Alameda—the sharing of bank accounts, special trading privileges, and multibillion-dollar loans—there was a logical business explanation. The arrangement was perfectly above board, he implied…
For Bankman-Fried to have come across as evasive could be “deadly,” says Richman, because it implies that none of his responses—including to questions posed by his own lawyers—can be relied on. The defense had been trying to “recast the narrative from his perspective,” he says, but if the jurors conclude that “he forgets things that hurt him,” they won’t be inclined to favor him.
The FTX founder was bound to be evasive on the stand, though, because he had backed himself into a corner long before the trial began. Around the time of his arrest last December, he took a multitude of media interviews. He appeared on podcasts. He tweeted incessantly. He started his own Substack. He submitted written testimony to Congress. Much of it reappeared at trial in the form of government exhibits. The volume of public statements available to the prosecution in this particular case, says Tuchmann, is “something close to unique.”…
“Look, I can explain… ” has always worked for him before! I’ve known people like SBF, and I suspect he’s genuinely bewildered that his Universal Loophole isn’t working for him any longer. Don’t these people know he’s a very gifted precocious GENIUS?!?… Has the universe gone mad?
lowtechcyclist
Sam Bankman is fried, alright.
Nukular Biskits
It is my hope that the gov’t recoups the cost of prosecuting this slimy bastard.
ColoradoGuy
I can hear the slam of that metal door.
zhena gogolia
Stanford is not in the Ivy League.
mrmoshpotato
Does Alberto Gonzalez get a royalty check every time one of these criminal bastards utters that line?
Or does a bank just compile it until it’s worth making the direct deposit?
What Have The Romans Ever Done for Us?
@zhena gogolia: As Frasier said “Stanford? Well I guess if you have to go to school on the West Coast…”
The new Speaker seems to combine the granny starving impulsed of Paul Ryan with the religious fanaticism of Michelle “crazy eyes” Bachman, with Clarence Thomas’s distain for financial disclosure. He hits the trifecta of assholery. I don’t think that’s going to play very well with the American public.
mrmoshpotato
@What Have The Romans Ever Done for Us?:
Just a trifecta? I doubt it. There will be more.
Bugboy
I have one working for me, I’ve taking to thinking about him as the “one weird trick” guy. He’s ALWAYS looking for short cuts to everything, as if he believes there are short cuts to everything. And then, when he finds a short cut and holds it up proudly as evidence of his galaxy brain, it’s revealed to be poorly thought out, fraught with hazard, and often less of a short cut than just doing things the normal way. But that takes too much work!
There go two miscreants
“fell into bankruptcy”? More like took a running leap into it!
BTW, Elizabeth Lopatto is writing for The Verge, not Wired.
Mai Naem mobile
I’m wondering if Mike Johnson invested his money in FTX and that’s why his bank accounts are empty?? Also, the FTX collapse seems like it’s happened a long time ago and ,yet, it only collapsed a year ago. SBF sure is getting his speedy rrial.
Tony Jay
This “I don’t recall” defence, much like it’s TV interview cousin “I don’t recognise that conclusion”, only works when the people asking the questions lack the power, willingness or intent to make the obvious assumption (that you’re a fucking liar) stick, but falls short where the people asking the questions can take your claimed amnesia and transform it into evidence of guilt. It’s the difference between being a respected figure of undoubted probity who must always be given the benefit of the doubt and The Accused.
We’re seeing this now over here. The Covid Inquiry is into televised evidence stage and as a result we’re seeing tons of “I don’t recall” statements from the Tories and associated civil servants who were part of Flobalob’s hard-partying regime (“Why did you turn on the Delete Messages After A Week facility on the Covid WhatsApp group once an inquiry had been called?” “I don’t recall.”) followed by panicked “I don’t recognise that conclusion!” Interviews by Flobby loyalists on TV (“The former Prime Minister is on tape howling at the moon and declaring ‘Let the Oldies die, I’ve got pretty blonde secretaries to spaff on! Wahoooo!” on no less than three occasions. Would you agree that this shows his failure to get on top of the issue?” “I do not recognise that conclusion.”)
This is still the UK, of course, so the chances are only the lowliest drones will ever be called to account for their bosses’ failures (it’s not like they’re dirty Trots or filthy eco-doomsayers, fwah fwah) but it’s nice to see the News Media forced to confront the blatant dishonesty of the Amnesia/Blindness dodge for a change. Since Nu-New Labour made itself palatable to the Murdoch/Dacre Press, the End of Tory Rule has become a legitimate possibility for our infotainers to consider, and with it a severe drop on the level of obsequience Tories receive on certain topics, Covid being one of them.
Now, if we could only get rid of the trope whereby extremist lobbying groups can derail important debates by tossing around ugly accusations that the News Media simply have to obsess over until such a time as the extremist lobbying groups acknowledge that their accusations were false (see, ‘Never’, definition of) we might start getting somewhere as a nation, but I’m not holding a balloon waiting for that, never mind my breath.
gene108
I’ve known 20-somethings who were reckless in running a busines, like SBF, with no real sense where the business ended and their personal finances began, but they were playing with a tens of thousands of dollars and had enough of a survival instinct to make sure there was money in the bank come payroll.
Geminid
I saw that President Biden will visit Maine Friday, at the invitation of Governor Mills, to talk to families of victims to survivors of last week’s shootings. First Lady Jill Biden will accompany him.
Also, Secretary of State Blinken will visit Ankara Sunday to confer with his Turkish counterpart, Hakan Fidan. Turkish President Erdogan named Fidan Foreign Minister last June; before that, he had served 10 years as head of M.I.T., Turkiye’s intelligence agency.
Suzanne
@Bugboy:
Note how they’re always guys. Whyyyyyyy?!
It’s such an annoying flavor of dude.
RSA
This is a perfect encapsulation of someone who thinks he’s the smartest guy in the room.
Suzanne
@Mai Naem mobile: I have been wondering about his non-existent or low-balance bank accounts, too. Like, really? He genuinely lives paycheck to paycheck?! Apparently they don’t have to report if the balances of all accounts combined are under $5K. He doesn’t even have a $5K emergency fund? Just bonkers.
I mean, I spent much of my life with less than $5K in my bank account…. but with kids? And owning a house?
raven
@Geminid: I really like him but he needs to ditch that “a smile will come across your face. . . ” routine.
Princess
It’s always money that traps these guys in the end.
And that goes both for Johnson and SBF.
rikyrah
Good Morning, Everyone😊😊😊
BretH
Chilling morning reading – how the “Stop the Steal” BS reaches down into the localalities. The example here is from Virginia but I’m certain dramas like this happened, and are happening nationwide. Our right to free and fair elections is most definitely under attack.
https://wapo.st/3QugfF0
Chris Johnson
@Suzanne: No. Just no. He’s got something.
bitcoins, gold bars, rubles… something.
Shalimar
@Suzanne: He makes $4000 a week and his wife has 2 jobs too. Even if he is living paycheck to paycheck in a house they can’t afford and spending it as fast as they get it, there is no way you get that much deposited every single week without being over $5000 in your bank accounts most of the time.
Tony G
@What Have The Romans Ever Done for Us?: Well, unfortunately, that will play very well with about 40% of the American public. Unfortunately, people like Mike Johnson (or Gym Jordan or Ron DeSantis or Donald Trump) didn’t arrive on this plant in a flying saucer. They were elected.
Shalimar
@Mai Naem mobile: Johnson has been in Congress for 7 years and never disclosed any assets. This isn’t investments going bad recently. This is claiming to have never had any.
Suzanne
@Shalimar: Good point. Just the transaction takes time.
Suzanne
@Chris Johnson: Most of the right-wing evangelicals that I have known are not into things that require tech knowledge like crypto. (Also not really into computing, gaming, drones, etc. Guns, yes. Expensive hobbies like boats, yes,) Gold bars strikes me as more likely.
Dorothy A. Winsor
SFB and SBF are merging in my brain as examples of rich, criming people on trial. So SFB’s son and SBF both testified yesterday and it all feels the same.
Note: SFB (Shit For Brains) is one of the names we call Trump right? I didn’t make that up?
OzarkHillbilly
How many times did I hear words to that effect from my ex? It always catches up to them. My ex did 6 1/2 years of a 7 year sentence. I won’t be in the least surprised if SBF does a similar proportion of whatever sentence is handed down.
Shalimar
@Dorothy A. Winsor: SFB is the one with the funky hair….. damn, that doesn’t help.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@Shalimar: Questions about Johnson’s bank account are the kind of thing that happens when you (ie, Rs desperately trying to elect a speaker) pluck a guy from obscurity and shove him into the office. Every questionable thing he’s ever done will come out at once because you didn’t vet him.
Geminid
@raven: I guess you’re talking about Joe Biden, not Hakan Fidan
Fidan’s more like, “you’re not gonna smiling once you meet our interrogation team.”
Matt McIrvin
@raven: Stuff becomes cliché because it works. Biden’s repetition of the phrase “MAGA Republicans” grates on me, but it grates because it’s the kind of ad nauseum name calling the Republicans do and they do it because it’s successful. I’m not the intended audience for that–a low-info voter is.
Frankensteinbeck
I saw a summary, helpfully linked by a jackal, of Trump Jr’s testimony yesterday. To be honest, the whole line of questioning confused me, because it was all about who was or wasn’t a trustee at any particular point in time. Trump Jr’s responses can be summed up as “I have no idea when I was in charge of anything, but when I was, I was in charge of everything.”
More sensible to me was the testimony of the government expert who talked about money lost by banks because they would have demanded higher interest if they knew what the properties were worth. Trump’s lawyer sounded competent. The counter arguments were “You’re pulling these numbers out of your ass because Trump’s loans have always been unusual” and “Deutsch Bank loves us and would have given us these rates anyway.” I have no sense how good those arguments are.
Matt McIrvin
@Dorothy A. Winsor: it is. It’s why “SBF” confuses me–I keep thinking people are talking about Trump.
NotMax
Someone else wish not to expend a nanoangstom of brain power on.
;)
Kay
@Shalimar:
He could have all personal accounts in the name of a trust or an LLC – which would be weird and (IMO) obviously a ploy to get around reporting requirements, but might be within the rules. He’s doing something – he doesn’t just have no accounts or assets.
Fraud Guy
Not unique, as this sounds a lot like another high profile individual who is going through several civil and criminal trials right now.
gene108
I don’t think Johnson’s lack of a bank account will sink him. Accounting, finance, and law are subjects people get bored by pretty fast, and get more and more confused by with each attempt to explain the topics.
We need stories like the one that knocked DeSantis down like Johnson eats pudding with his fingers or some other highly mockable weird quirk that is a strange way to do something normal.
BretH
I would most definitely recommend Ed Zitron for detailed reading on the billions that are being gambled in the financial industry – especially Cryptocurrency:
https://wheresyoured.at/
Geminid
@Matt McIrvin: I heard a Democratic ad calling out Virginia Republican candidates for their intention to ban abortions. The woman narrator called them Republicans once, maybe twice. Otherwise, it was “MAGA extremists.”
The ad had a clip of one of the candidates saying he would ban abortion in all cases. That’s not the line Youngkin pushes; he advocates for a “15 week” ban. But I think this ad is right to paint all GOP candidates with a broad brush. If they don’t like it, let them explain themselves. The more Republicans talk about this issue, the worse off they are.
Geminid
@gene108: We do not know yet what is behind Johnson’s lack of a bank account. There may be a harmless explaination, or it could be something more damaging.
But few voters pay much attention to the character of a Speaker. What his majority tries to do will have a greater impact in next year’s elections. I think that’s the liability Democrats will hang around their necks. They’ve already started doing this in Virginia, by running ads in Rep. Kiggans’ district after she voted to cut VA funding by 20% last May.
Kay
@Geminid:
No one trusts them on abortion now, because they immediately put in bans with no exceptions the moment they could.
The anti choice lying is really something else, I have to say. Mike DeWine is running an anti choice ad where he and his wife look straight into the camera and lie. No one should trust these people with health care issues – they will happily kill you if it means they get their religious edicts put into law. How people can go to hospitals run by fundamentalist religious after this is beyond me. How can one possibly trust these people? They lie constantly. The idea of being helpless and flat on my back and vulnerable to these creeps and their women-hating religons? I’d rather bleed out on the way to a real hospital.
sab
@What Have The Romans Ever Done for Us?: I suddenly figured out why the American right wing wants to cut funding to Ukraine. It’s not about pleasing Putin. It’s about punishing Zelenskyy for the first impeachment. They think if he’d done as he was told Biden wouldn’t be president.
gvg
@Shalimar: Banks don’t approve mortgages unless you have credit histories and bank accounts or verifiable assets. I don’t think they would even like someone with no bank account.
He is lying by omission. I think he has the ordinary accounts and assets. He just is not reporting them, so that it is hard for anyone to check on anything. Which means he has something to hide. And, Tah Dah! he first tries to cut funds to the IRS specifically for investigating that kind of thing. This is not in a court room, so I am going to say I presume he is guilty, guilty, guilty! Tax cheat and Liar at the least. Possibly takes bribes. Not an honest representative of the public. His constituents should take note. So should his party members.
Kay
In the course of campaigning for Yes on Issue 1 in Ohio I have run into people who have been approached by anti choice campaigners. These people were told that abortion is legal in Ohio right now and Yes on Issue 1 is actually about stripping parents of rights. They are in no way running on being “pro life”. In fact, they are desperately trying to convince people that abortion will remain legal, which is a lie. Their entire “movement” is one big lie.
MattF
@Shalimar: He got a haircut from a ‘fellow inmate’. NYT:
ETA: ‘A number’
MattF
@gvg: Yeah— pleading ignorance doesn’t fly for a MOC. Did he miss orientation?
Kay
@gvg:
I think it’s okay that Democrats have set this up as Republicans protecting billionaires by gutting tax enforcement, but I don’t think that’s really what it’s about it based on my experience practicing law.
The tax cheats they are protecting are not “billionaires” but instead millionaires – self employed people or independent contractors with a couple of million, real estate agents, auctioneers, dentists, contractors, fast food franchisees, farmers, etc. A huge group of them are tax cheats and they’re the MAGA base. The US isn’t just “billionaires” and “people who are paid a salary or wage”. There’s a huge group of people in the middle. That’s where a big chunk of change the IRA isn’t collecting is – in the account of the guy who owns and operates 8 tractor trailers and has 4 million a year in revenue.
OzarkHillbilly
@Geminid: In this age of automatic deposit, he has to have a bank account. It may not be in his name, but he has one. Maybe it is in his wife’s name. If so, the question becomes why isn’t his name on it?
Geminid
I ran into a funny twitter account called, “Nomadic Warriors for Pritzger. The heading has a picture of a smiling Jay Pritzger in Mongol armor.
One of the posts showed a map of Illinois superimposed on Europe. It stretches through Norway all the way to Libya. The caption reads, “The European mind cannot comprehend this.”
Ken
@RSA:
My reaction was “One of these people has a seven-year-old, and one is seven years old.”
Kay
@Geminid:
I like him a lot. The 2028 primary is going be lively!
Geminid
@Kay: Especially once Pritzger’s warriors pour onto the Iowa steppes.
Kay
@Geminid:
lol. I bet Ro Khanna is running too, hence him mimicking Newsom with debating wingnuts. There will be a lot of candidates. It’s why I think the “Biden is old” complaint is kind of dumb – Biden had a lot of competition and Democrats won’t lack for younger candidates in 4 years. I think “old and entrenched” is much more of a real issue in congress and courts than with the president.
yellowdog
@Shalimar: I can pay bills from my investment account. Presumably so can they.
Betty
@Geminid: I believe Youngkin said yesterday he would sign any abortion ban that came to his desk because of his desire to protect life – well, some lives at least.
Mai Naem mobile
@Suzanne:
@Shalimar:
I can kind of go along with him having <$5K in several bank accounts. Its the debt and the no investments that i find not believable.. He’s 51 and making $200K with very good benefits. Anyhow I found his dad’s obituary which was interesting. https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/shreveporttimes/name/james-johnson-obituary?id=11898168 . His dad was a firefighter and apparently recovered from being very badly burned on the job. I would like to find a copy of the book the dad wrote after getting burned. I bet that would give us an insight into Mike Johnson. Some of the remembrance comments are interesting.
Brit in Chicago
@BretH: Perhaps it shows an inability to learn from experience, but I am amazed by the fact that more than a tiny number of people fell for the crypto-scam. (I thought the same about NFT’s—I mean, really—and in that sphere, I’m happy to say, the bottom really does seem to have fallen out.)
The Other Steve
Honestly I think the best part of the SBF testimony is when he acknowledged he had no idea how crypto worked, it just seemed like a good way to make some money. That’s how crypto has always worked, and it’s how most of the tech bros operate.
Eunicecycle
@Kay: I get so angry every time I see that ad with the DeWines! It’s a wonder my TV has survived. They say they’ve “studied” the issue. Liars! They’ve always been anti-choice. Also the ads about voting no to protect women. All lies! When you have to lie to defend your position you are losing.
Brit in Chicago
@Kay: Do you have any evidence that he’s thinking of running for President in 2028? I was still in Chicago for the first few years of his governorship, and think he’d be a good President, but I would worry that his being the nominee would evoke a lot of latent anti-semitism in the Republicans. (Not to mention that the supporters of TIFG would suddenly find that being a billionaire disqualified him.) But then I always worry that the Democratic candidate will lose; one thing we’ve learned over the last seven years is that a Republican presidency would be a disaster.
Matt McIrvin
@Geminid: That’s how you do it– hammer, hammer, hammer on the talking point. It’s not the rhetorical mode I like. But it’s not for me.
Kent
Yes, he is clearly lying on his financial disclosure forms. That much is obvious.
yellowdog
@Kay: when you say someone bis a millionaire you are talking about net worth. Taxes are based on income. I would wager that most low end millionaires do not earn more than $400,000. And if we’re talking Boomer retirement nest eggs, probably around $100,000. This has to be made clear that the IRS is not going after savings.
Matt McIrvin
@Brit in Chicago: A lot of it is Greater Fool Theory– where you know it’s a scam but you think you’re the smart guy who is in on the scam, and you’ll take all those other fools’ money by timing it just right. That’s how most BIG scams work; the victims think they are the scammers (or otherwise profiting from something shady) and not the victims.
Soprano2
@Kay: I knew a woman who said she’d rather bleed to death than go to the local Catholic hospital.
Matt McIrvin
@The Other Steve: I keep seeing people say “I don’t understand crypto at all, I must be dumb.” Most of the time they’re not dumb, they just correctly recognized there’s no product there.
I felt the same way about Enron: what is the product? What is the value they’re providing that makes money? I kept reading these articles about how their business model was the future and I could never figure it out. Turns out the answer was, they were crooks.
Soprano2
@Kay: Yeah, like the restaurant owner here who got busted for using his PPP loan to buy himself a yacht and his mother a luxury car, among other things.
mrmoshpotato
@Mai Naem mobile:
LOL! Thanks for the morning laugh.
mrmoshpotato
@Mai Naem mobile: Marginbuster. :)
mrmoshpotato
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
It’s a name that Ruckus uses for the orange shitstain.
lollipopguild
@Matt McIrvin: I think trump and SBF must be related somehow. Long lost cousins?
Burnspbesq
@Kay:
I went through some pretty searching financial disclosure exercises both when I worked for the Feds and when I worked for a Big Four accounting firm. None of those dodges worked for me; you were required to report the holdings of every entity in which you had a significant interest. I even had to report assets and accounts that I had no interest in under the terms of our pre-nup.
Johnson is either one broken air conditioner from Chapter13, or he’s lyin.’
sab
@Burnspbesq: Occam’s razor: he’s lying.
bob7094
@Geminid:
Illinois is 384 miles, North to South. Southern tip of Norway to nearest point in Libya is > 1700 miles. I don’t get it either.
Paul in KY
@Bugboy: He’s a lazy narcicist. Would get rid of him ASAP.
Paul in KY
@Shalimar: Maybe he’s bithing to his church?
Paul in KY
@MattF: eleventy billion is a number…
Matt McIrvin
@bob7094: It’s a parody of nationalist bullshit memes that try to impress you with the sizes of countries.
Geminid
@bob7094: The Nomad Warriors for Pritzger were having fun, making a grandiose brag, They talk about Gavin Newsome: “The leader of the California Khanate must be brought to heel.” Warrior talk.
Ruckus
@What Have The Romans Ever Done for Us?:
He hits the trifecta of assholery.
So we have the words for his tombstone.
WhatsMyNym
@zhena gogolia:
Ivy is an weed in the west and a serious invasive species.
Ruckus
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
No, you didn’t make that up.
Neither did I but I use it relentlessly. Because he is. These are very selfish human beings. Somehow they deserve all this money for mumble, mumble, bullshit. They are the modern day version of that asshole who used to drive a covered wagon from town to town, selling that miracle cure in a bottle. That would more than likely kill you.
Ruckus
@Frankensteinbeck:
I have no sense how good those arguments are.
They are bull and shit. This entire crew is that closet stuffed with useless crap that some have but can’t get rid of because they are connected in some way. Related, similarly ignorant, far worse than useless, expect to be honored and rewarded for their ignorant, selfish ways. SFB is just their leader/father/idiot in charge.
There are always limitations for living in any society. We call them laws. There are always idiots who think they are above the law, that they can do any stupid shit, as long as they “didn’t know” it was illegal and stupid. Of course, them being ignorant and stupid is their defense. Attended top notch schools and learned how to be bigger shits than when they started.
Ruckus
@gvg:
So should his party members.
Them taking notice would boost his ratings in their world.
Ruckus
@sab:
Yep. It doesn’t really make a difference which way or for what reason he’s lying, it’s but and because he is.
Ruckus
@Matt McIrvin:
I thought that was the size of something else that very likely isn’t as big as he says it is……
wjca
@Paul in KY:
Fixed that for you.
Brit in Chicago
@Dorothy A. Winsor: I thought SBF stood for Stupid Fat Bastard, but either fits.
Paul in KY
@wjca: Thank you!