Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

The arc of history bends toward the same old fuckery.

The poor and middle-class pay taxes, the rich pay accountants, the wealthy pay politicians.

’Where will you hide, Roberts, the laws all being flat?’

Never entrust democracy to any process that requires Republicans to act in good faith.

Optimism opens the door to great things.

I might just take the rest of the day off and do even more nothing than usual.

“A king is only a king if we bow down.” – Rev. William Barber

Trump’s cabinet: like a magic 8 ball that only gives wrong answers.

Teach a man to fish, and he’ll sit in a boat all day drinking beer.

Everything is totally normal and fine!!!

… gradually, and then suddenly.

The rest of the comments were smacking Boebert like she was a piñata.

These days, even the boring Republicans are nuts.

Is it negotiation when the other party actually wants to shoot the hostage?

Do we throw up our hands or do we roll up our sleeves? (hint, door #2)

Every reporter and pundit should have to declare if they ever vacationed with a billionaire.

Those who are easily outraged are easily manipulated.

Conservatism: there are people the law protects but does not bind and others who the law binds but does not protect.

Let’s delete this post and never speak of this again.

Incompetence, fear, or corruption? why not all three?

If you can’t control your emotions, someone else will.

Fundamental belief of white supremacy: white people are presumed innocent, minorities are presumed guilty.

Tick tock motherfuckers!

Nancy smash is sick of your bullshit.

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Schadenfreude interlude: Rex Huppke, at USAToday, on “How to avoid talking politics at Thanksgiving? Consider a ‘NO MAGA ALLOWED’ sign”:

It’s almost Thanksgiving, that special day of the year when most Americans are forced to spend time with relatives they don’t like in return for large amounts of food they do like.

While the whole social/gastronomic experiment unfolds, one topic invariably pops up and transforms the day from “Well, this is annoying, but at least there’s pie” to “Oh God, I have to get out of here before I stab cousin Melvin with the wishbone.” That topic, of course, is politics.

It has never been a good subject to float during family gatherings. But in the age of former president and overachieving criminal defendant Donald Trump, it has become more explosive than your drunk uncle adding “just a bit more oil” to the turkey fryer…

NO MAGA ALLOWED, or something along those lines
If you don’t like Donald Trump and hope he is sentenced to live under a bridge with a particularly ill-tempered troll named Gnarlfart the Gaseous, simply post a “prohibited” sign on your front door that shows the word “MAGA” with a large red slash through it…

If mee-maw says ‘Hunter Biden’ at Thanksgiving, run!
Keep your ears peeled for red-flag words and be prepared to create a diversion. For example, if you hear a grandparent say the words “rigged election” or “COVID hoax” or “Biden crime family,” you should immediately set the tablecloth on fire. By the time it’s put out and everyone has settled down, the toxic subject will hopefully be forgotten and everyone can eat their sweet potatoes in peace.

Find the Libertarian everybody hates
One way to keep Thanksgiving tolerable is to invite what I call an ELR, or “emergency libertarian relative.” While technically nobody wants to hear anything from a libertarian at any point in time, ever, their presence can be unifying, in that both MAGA and non-MAGA relatives will find them insufferable. Nothing brings people together quite like a shared enemy. The ideal approach is to keep your ELR in a soundproof, human-size glass container and then, if needed, break the glass…

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  4. 4.

    Van Buren

    I think my pup has been listening carefully to those ” If you see something, say something” PSAs, because my son came home, put his backpack where there usually is not a backpack, and Rosie would not shut up about it until I shoved it in a closet.

  6. 6.

    Betty Cracker

    My sister and I are guests of the deplorati branch of the family this year, so if there were a sign posted, it would say “No Demoncraps!” We’re ready if anyone is unwise enough to start some shit.

  9. 9.

    Nelle

    Good morning!  The eastern sky has hints of pink and orange.  Last year, on Thanksgiving morning,  it was warm enough to walk to the nearby woods and listen to the Great Horned Owl pair hoot at each other in pre-dawn darkness.  This year, it is cold and we are both coughing.  Time for some hot tea.  Inside.

  11. 11.

    evap

    Happy Thanksgiving, ya’ll!   So happy that everyone who will be at our table is a bleeding-heart lefty commie pinko Democrat.   May it ever be so!

  16. 16.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @sab: My wife is working today, just couldn’t say no to the double holiday pay. Seeing as we don’t bother with T-day, she’s not missing anything.

  17. 17.

    E.

    @sab: Medical, fire, police; there are some services that need to be available. Slicing bologna and running the soda machine are not among them.

  18. 18.

    brantl

    I’m going to my in-laws, where the turkey is below average, the politics are 2/3 Reagan & 1/3 Stump, and I don’t understand how their IQs are so selective. They are nice enough people, otherwise.

  22. 22.

    OzarkHillbilly

    A PSA: Nearly 40% of conventional baby food contains toxic pesticides, US study finds

    Nearly 40% of conventional baby food products analyzed in a new US study were found to contain toxic pesticides, while none of the organic products sampled in the survey contained the chemicals.

    The research, conducted by the Environmental Working Group (EWG) non-profit, looked at 73 products and found at least one pesticide in 22 of them. Many products showed more than one pesticide, and the substances present a dangerous health threat to babies, researchers said.

    “Babies and young children are particularly vulnerable to the health risks posed by pesticides in food – and food is the way most children will be exposed to pesticides,” said Sydney Evans, a senior science analyst at EWG and co-author of the report.

    The study looked at products from Beech-Nut, Gerber and Parent’s Choice, though it did not specifically identify which of the companies’ products contained pesticide residue.
    ………………………….
    The best way to avoid pesticides is to buy organic baby food products, which are subjected to much stricter regulations, and are now often comparable in price, said Olga Naidenko, a study co-author and who leads children’s research for EWG. The non-profit has also developed produce guides that show pesticide residue levels.

    Anyone with little ones in their extended families might want to pass this on to the parents.

    The research did find some good news: EWG compared its findings to a similar study it conducted in 1995 and found pesticide levels in baby foods are broadly decreasing. That research detected pesticide in 55% of products tested, and found more dangerous pesticides.

    A small ray of sunshine anyway.

  23. 23.

    Bruce K in ATH-GR

    Given that I’m in ATH-GR, today is just another working day for me. My parents who retired to Greece are going to be having a sort-of traditional Thanksgiving dinner tonight, though it’s slightly hampered by the fact that whole turkeys are pretty much strictly a Christmas thing around here, so a sort of turkey-roll roast is the centerpiece of the plans.

    Weirdly, Black Friday is a thing here, even though Thanksgiving isn’t.

    Have a happy Thanksgiving, all. I’ll be thinking of the jackaltariat as I grind through my translations.

  24. 24.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    Happy Family Dysfunction Awareness Day!

    We have no family so go to friends each year.  Don’t talk politics, at least not national politics, it’s easy to talk local.  Plus, they want to see our new Bolt EV.  He owns two Porches (around 12-15 years old, they’re rockets), two Tacomas, a Ford King Ranch, a convertible Mustang and a new E-class Benz “mild” hybrid station wagon that goes from 0-60 in 4.4 seconds.

    Yes, they’re wealthy.

  27. 27.

    Anyway

    Happy Turkey Day to US jackals from TÜRKIYE!
    Been traveling around the country for ten days and it’s been an absolute blast. Ankara, Cappadoccia, Pamukkale, Izmir, Ephesus, Kusadasi, Troy, Canakkale, Bursa and now a few days in Istanbul before heading home.
    Hope everyone has a nice thanksgiving…

  28. 28.

    geg6

    Happy Thanksgiving to all Jackals, near and far.

    Just my John and I today.  Family is celebrating T-day and my birthday on Saturday (all are flaming liberals like me), so a cozy day at home.  Got pre-made turkey dinner from Giant Eagle Marketplace, so no fuss here today.  Reheat and eat.  A good day in store.

  29. 29.

    dmsilev

    @Bruce K in ATH-GR:

    Weirdly, Black Friday is a thing here, even though Thanksgiving isn’t

    A Canadian colleague told me a year or two ago that the same was true there; even though Canadian Thanksgiving is in October, Black Friday is in late November.

  30. 30.

    Baud

    Births have increased in states with abortion bans, research finds

    ….

    After the Dobbs decision, fertility rates increased most significantly in states with longer travel times to the nearest abortion providers, the new research found, including a 5.1% increase in Texas and a 4.4% increase in Mississippi.

    …

    Earlier research has found that there are many consequences of unintended birth, affecting the health and livelihood of the mother, the child and the family in general. And the new research found that abortion bans have especially affected Hispanic women, with a 4.7% increase in fertility rate in the first half of 2023, as well as younger women, with a 3.3% increase among those in their early 20s.

  32. 32.

    Geminid

    The proposed “NO MAGA ALLOWED” sign reminded me of the sign I saw Saturday outside Stanardsville Farmers Market:

    • No Pets
    • No Smoking
    • No Vaping
    • No Political Activities
  33. 33.

    montanareddog

    @Anyway:  How have you been getting around? I am curious about a visit to Türkiye and would prefer to avoid hiring cars as much as possible.

  37. 37.

    LiminalOwl

    Happy Thanksgiving to all who celebrate.

    We plan to go to my brother’s, in which household the name of *45 is not to be spoken. (The middle nibling might be a supporter, but he knows to keep quiet.  My brother is more centrist than I, as is my SIL, but has never voted Republican so far as I know.)

  39. 39.

    Geminid

    @Anyway: That sounds like a nice trip. I’d love to see those places, especially Istanbul. I hope you work some photos up for an On the Road post.

    I’m curious though: how have the local Turkish people treated you? What are your impressions of Turkish people and society?

  41. 41.

    Nukular Biskits

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    @Baud: ​ I wonder how much the poverty rate has increased.

    I was wondering the same, although I’m sure it would be difficult to tease out, given all the other factors, particularly here in MS.

    But, just know that our Trump-lovin’ guv, Tate Reeves, will be more than happy to blame President Biden for it.

  42. 42.

    Kay

    One last-minute round-trip flight from Biloxi, Mississippi, to Cancún, Mexico, runs about $171 USD; three nights at a three-star hotel there can cost as little as $129. A three-day car rental in the resort town rings in at just $20 per day. And the price for one surgical abortion at MSI Reproductive Choices’ Cancún clinic would be about $350. The total cost for a trip to Cancún to access reproductive health services no longer available in some American states? $710.
    Starting November 23, when the international sexual health organization MSI Reproductive Health Services opens the doors to its first Cancún reproductive health center, a pregnant American from a US state where abortion is banned could find the procedure to be both more affordable and more accessible in Mexico. Quintana Roo, the Mexican state where Cancún is located, has become one of at least a dozen Mexican states to decriminalize abortion in the last two years amid a series of judicial rulings that have strengthened reproductive rights, culminating in a September Mexican Supreme Court ruling that made state laws criminalizing abortion unconstitutional nationwide.
    While $710 is not an insignificant sum for a pregnant person living near the poverty line in America, it could still turn out to be several hundred dollars less expensive than the costs associated with obtaining similar treatments in post-Dobbs America, where 14 states have banned abortion completely, and four more have restricted it to the first trimester. A surgical abortion alone can cost more than $1,000 in the US, on top of out-of-state transportation and lodging needs.
    All these factors came into play when MSI planned its Cancún annex, which is being funded by an anonymous US donor.

  43. 43.

    mrmoshpotato

    @sab:

    I agree. If I forgot to buy a gravy packet then I can just make my own from scratch or do without. 

    Wait.  Wait.  Some people still know how to cook?  (faints)

  47. 47.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    @Anyway:

    Turkey is wonderful. Istanbul is more wonderful.

    We actually stayed a couple of nights nearby at Selcuk which itself had some cool stuff (the ruins of the Basilica of St John, the former Temple of Artemis).  So close we walked to Ephesus for the day.

    While there, one of the many tour groups that came in was led by none other than Mike Fucking Huckabee.  He does these religious cruise tours.  I hung around to hear him talk for a couple of minutes then realized I had better things to do with my life.

  50. 50.

    Nukular Biskits

    @Kay:

    Yeah, I had just read that and posted it on my Twitter feed.

    Not trying to sour Happy Dysfunctional Awareness Day, but the a-holes who pushed this “pro-life” agenda knew this would happen … but their “sincerely-held religious convictions” require that others suffer IAW their God’s plan.

    What is interesting to me on this subject is that, according to KFF, the overwhelming majority of women getting abortions are of color.  This undercuts the push by so many white conservative evangelicals to get the birth rates of the “right” people up; i.e., the ticking of the demographic clock here in MS which will make whites a minority just accelerated.

    [Edit: Forgot to include link]

    Reported Legal Abortions by Race of Women Who Obtained Abortion by the State of Occurrence

  54. 54.

    OzarkHillbilly

    Commenter Sleeping Dog over at OTB: Here’s why much of the rural South is in economic crisis

    Yes, the South is actually in crisis

    First, let’s back up. One might be tempted to ask: Are things really that bad? Hasn’t the Sun Belt been booming? But in fact, by a range of economic indicators — personal income per capita and the proportion of the population living in poverty, for starters – large parts of the South, and particularly the rural South, are struggling.

    Gross domestic product per capita in the region has been stuck at about 90% of the national average for decades, with average income even lower in rural areas. About 1 in 5 counties in the South is marked by “persistent poverty” — a poverty rate that has stayed above 20% for three decades running. Indeed, fully 80% of all persistently poor counties in the U.S. are in the South.

    Persistent poverty is, of course, linked to a host of other problems. The South’s rural counties are marked by low levels of educational attainment, measured both by high school and college graduation rates. Meanwhile, labor-force participation rates in the South are far lower than in the nation as a whole.

    Unsurprisingly, these issues stifle economic growth.

    Meanwhile, financial institutions have fled the region: The South as a whole lost 62% of its banks between 1980 and 2020, with the decline sharpest in rural areas. At the same time, local hospitals and medical facilities have been shuttering, while funding for everything from emergency services to wellness programs has been cut.

    The article touches on the why, but it’s real focus is the how.

  58. 58.

    LiminalOwl

    @LiminalOwl: *sigh* Plans canceled. Tested negative but my brother is concerned about even a cold. So I get to spend a day with my beloved and join the Jackalzoom in the evening.

  62. 62.

    Geminid

    @Marmot: I think this is on land owned by Greene County. It’s the corner of a much larger parcel containing Greene County High School- home of the many “Greene Dragons” sports teams.

    I don’t know if the prohibition of political activities would extend to a voter registration booth. It would definitely keep out someone selling MAGA crap.

  69. 69.

    Phylllis

    @OzarkHillbilly: Absolutely the case in the small town/county I lived & worked in until moving five years ago and retiring in June. Lost their hospital, and most of their manufacturing jobs. The county is down to about 12000 residents and basically a ghost town. The school district is about all that’s keeping it afloat.

  74. 74.

    Marmot

    @Geminid:

    I don’t know if the prohibition of political activities would extend to a voter registration booth. It would definitely keep out someone selling MAGA crap.

    Well, if that’s the case, I guess I might look the other way. But on public land, you can’t prohibit political activities, as far as I know. Weird.

    Maybe one of the lawyers here know better?

    Adding: I like a place with dozens of Greene Dragons, though.

  76. 76.

    Trivia Man

    @Anyway: Fantastic, Istanbul is on my bucket list. I’m about halfway through a podcast about the History of Byzantium and it is gripping.

  77. 77.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    We’re having dinner with the daughters and their spouses & the grandkids. And they’re doing all the cooking! Plus no MAGAs will be at that table.

    I already cooked & ate a bunch of turkey yesterday, the free 14-pounder we earned from points at the grocery store. No such thing as too much (dark) turkey. The dog agrees.

  78. 78.

    Kay

    @WaterGirl:

    I wonder if the increase in our (already sky-high) infant mortality rates will erase any net increase in births. Nothing on the mothers mortality rate (very high in the US, especially for AA women) – I wonder if they’re even studying it.

  79. 79.

    twbrandt

    I’m reading, as I do every Thanksgiving, my friend David Erik Nelson’s essay on Michigan, traveling in Michigan, Thanksgiving in Michigan, and being Jewish while traveling during Thanksgiving in Michigan. It is wonderful.

  80. 80.

    JMG

    We have Alice, myself, my son and his wife and George, their six-month old child and our first grandchild. They are implementing a plan to introduce him to solid food that skips commercial baby food for various real foods, prepared so he can grab them. For instance, he had a slice of plain omelet this morning. He kind of sucks on it, then tosses it around. On the other hand, a spare rib left over from takeout barbecue was a big hit. He could hold it and sucking on it at least gave him flavor. Also allowed him to get messily dirty, which all babies adore. Today he’ll get a carefully prepared (everything removed but a small piece of meat) drumstick!

  81. 81.

    Geminid

    @Phylllis: Even though Virginia as a whole has had steady economic growth for decades now, Southside and Southwest Virginia economies have been stagnant.

    The demographic consequences have reinforced the economic problem. When Hyundai made its final selection of a new factory site recently, Southside Virginia’s candidate lost out to a county outside Savannah, Georgia. A big reason: the population near the Savannah site had a median age in the mid-thirties, while that around the Southside site was ten years older.

  82. 82.

    Nukular Biskits

    @Kay: @WaterGirl:

    Not only what Kay said but (not that you need me mansplainin’ it) seems a LOT of folks simply do not understand what pregnancy even is:

    Harvard Center for American Political Studies/Harris poll

    From the DailyKos diary where I first saw this

    What did poll respondents say? An unbelievable 35% said pregnancy is viable at six weeks. At six weeks gestation, an embryo (it’s not even a fetus yet!) is about the size of a lentil, and it doesn’t even have developed arms and legs, let alone hands and feet or fingers and toes. It’s common for women to not even be aware they’re pregnant at that point. Another 14% and 13% said pregnancy is viable at 12 and 16 weeks, respectively. At 12 weeks, a fetus has its organs and body parts, but it is about the size of a lime—just over 2 inches long and 2 ounces in weight. At 16 weeks, it’s about the size of an avocado.

  83. 83.

    Jeffg166

    We will talk politics only because there will be no MAGAts in attendance.

    I had to turn the heat up last night to 67° because my guests think 55° is a little chilly for them.  Such wennies.

    We are eating at noon. The sun is out full. The high today is 54°. After we eat we will go sit on the south facing front porch. They will comment how pleasant 54° is outiside.

  84. 84.

    BellyCat

    @Geminid: I’m curious though: how have the local Turkish people treated you? What are your impressions of Turkish people and society?

    Was there for two weeks a little more than a decade ago, primarily Istanbul and Izmir. Absolutely lovely, incredibly generous people if you’re lucky enough to be hosted!

  86. 86.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    @Geminid:

    Was there 5 years ago.  The Turks were fantastic.

    They also love their cats.  Cats everywhere.  Just another reason to visit.

    We flew to Izmir, then rented a car for my Hellenistic Tour of SW Turkey hitting Ephesus, Miletus, Apollo at Didum, Aphrodisias and Priene.  I trod in Alexander the Great’s footsteps.

    Then took a 5-day gullet cruise out of Marmaris.

    I need to go back to go to Hattusa and spend more time in Istanbul.

    Again, people and culture are great.

  87. 87.

    narya

    Gobble gobble and felicitations to the jackaltariat! Dough for the rolls is raising, and the tart shell is par-baked, but there’s still a list to get through and a couple of problems to solve. And I want to go for a run (or walk, if need be) before we start chowing down.

    I hope you all have some good food and some laughs and some moments of peace and grace today.

  88. 88.

    Steeplejack

    Just now rousing myself for coffee and an orange-cranberry scone. Due at Sighthound Hall at 11:00 for a vague brunch-y snack thing and then the big meal around 4:00. Don’t know if I can do the whole stretch—my social stamina has declined greatly since the pandemic—but I’m delivering wine. Should have taken it over there yesterday and begged off from brunch. Oh, well, at least no MAGATs.

  89. 89.

    Layer8Problem

    Laying around this morning steeling myself for this afternoon’s jaunt. We have my stepkids up from Our Nation’s Capital and their tiny tots (they’re eight these days; if they heard me say that they’d pelt me with Lego parts and stuffed unicorns) and they hied off to the parade before we got up. Later on we all meet up at the other stepkid’s and stepkid spouse’s place in the Greater Hoboken area. Very family there, much politically agreed, so it’ll be good, although when faced with the journey (“Lessee, Holland Tunnel to New Jersey with eighty million other people, or George Washington Bridge to New Jersey with eighty million other people?”) one thinks fond thoughts of a quiet pint at the local public house. Which can’t happen since this is one of the two days of the year it’s closed.

  90. 90.

    narya

    @Nukular Biskits: That sounds like an educational opportunity . . . “Here’s a lentil. Here’s a lime. Here’s an avocado. Here’s a fetus at 7-8 months (i.e., viability). Here’s a baby at birth.”

  91. 91.

    WaterGirl

    @Kay: I would hope that the people doing / funding the research would be paying attention to the mothers, but the politicians behind all of this could give two shits (sorry) about the mothers, or even the babies after they are born.

    It’s maddening.

  94. 94.

    Trivia Man

    @Layer8Problem: Fantasy trolling scene: Hey! Aren’t you the old governor of Arkansas??? (He smiles real big, That’s right.)

    is your daughter that crooked governor I’ve been hearing about? I’m so sorry, you must be devastated.

    What the hell can he do about it in Turkie? And I bet his guests aren’t packing,

  95. 95.

    lowtechcyclist

    @OzarkHillbilly: ​
     

    My wife is working today, just couldn’t say no to the double holiday pay. Seeing as we don’t bother with T-day, she’s not missing anything.

    Is she actually getting paid double? I’ve run into a metric ton of people over the years who get confused about this, ‘this’ being how much they’re being paid for working on a paid holiday.

    They’ll tell me, “I’m getting paid double time and a half for working on [name of paid holiday], how can I turn that down?” But they’re already getting paid regular time for not working that day, and on top of that they’re getting paid the same time and a half that they’d get paid for working a normal Saturday.

    Sure, double time and a half total, but they’d only be getting paid time and a half more than if they’d stayed in bed all day. But they always believed that they made more for working on the paid holiday than working overtime any other time, and there was no way to convince them otherwise.

  96. 96.

    raven

    I’m down at the beach fishing, It was about 43 when I got here but it’s probably 50 now. It’s really pretty and it’s entertaining watching a family with 4 little girls try to use the timer on their dslr!

  97. 97.

    Frankensteinbeck

    @Nukular Biskits:

    What is interesting to me on this subject is that, according to KFF, the overwhelming majority of women getting abortions are of color.

    This is a big part of the point, and always has been.  Stopping abortion is unrelated to the “Whites must breed more!” freakshow.  As Palin let slip once, the racists think black people are sexually irresponsible and they are the primary sluts the racists imagine are being punished.  I heard this a lot growing up in the South.

  98. 98.

    mali muso

    Happy 7th birthday to my adored little widget!  She showed up on this day in 2016 and was the only ray of hope in our lives during that very dark November.  Lots of celebrating today, both for the holiday and for her birthday.

    I’m making my mom’s traditional cornbread dressing (NOT stuffing) to bring to our large friendsgiving party later today.  Wishing all jackals a great day!

  100. 100.

    WaterGirl

    @lowtechcyclist: If you’re an hourly worker, that’s very different from a salaried person who has benefits and gets paid for holidays.

    I put myself thru college as a grocery store cashier.

    Workers were part of a union.  If a holiday was on a Sunday, you literally got paid double time and a half.  On those days, I would stand there (on and off during the time I was there) and calculate the money that was piling up.  I made $11.50 an hour, and part-times could never have a longer shift than 7 hours.  That was $201.25 for a 7-hour shift.

    Totally worth it to work the holiday.

  104. 104.

    Kay

    @JMG:

    They are implementing a plan to introduce him to solid food that skips commercial baby food for various real foods, prepared so he can grab them.

    My daughter and son in law did this with great success. She’s three now and eats everything (but uses utensils) – I think it made her bolder with trying new foods.

  106. 106.

    WaterGirl

    @mali muso: Sounds like you will be otherwise occupied during the zoom this evening.  We will miss your shining face.

    Happy holiday and birthday to your little one.  Little widget, I love that!

  107. 107.

    hueyplong

    We don’t do MAGAts in our house.

    King Henry (the cat) keeps his politics to himself, but we assume cats, dogs and other housepets have cognitive function sufficient to be immune to Trumpism.

  112. 112.

    The Pale Scot

    @Betty Cracker:

    Betty said “Let’s start some shit!”
    I got a shotgun, and here’s the plot:
    Takin’ MAGOTS out with a flurry of buck shots
    Boom! Boom! Boom! Yeah, I was gunnin’
    And then you look, all you see is MAGOTS runnin’
    And fallin’ and yellin’ and pushin’ and screamin’ and cussin’
    I stepped back and I kept bustin’
    And then I realized it’s time for me to go
    So I stopped, jumped in the vehicle
    It’s like this, because of that who-ride
    BJ Jackal is wanted for a homicide

    Original cut;

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCAkHFavEdw

  113. 113.

    zhena gogolia

    Happy Thanksgiving. We’ll be at a friend’s later today — just four of us. No MAGA, but there may be some choice Biden concern-trolling. Suggestions that Sherrod Brown take his place on the ticket, that sort of thing. I’ll be good.

  115. 115.

    lowtechcyclist

    @Geminid: ​
     

    The proposed “NO MAGA ALLOWED” sign reminded me of the sign I saw Saturday outside Stanardsville Farmers Market:

    No Pets
    No Smoking
    No Vaping
    No Political Activities

    Glad to hear that they’ve got some stanards.

    (I know the accent’s on the second syllable, but like that was gonna stop me. :-)

  116. 116.

    Suzanne

    My MIL is here visiting, and SuzMom lives here, so we are doing the traditional stuff. And enjoying the new puppy! Soft launching the name today: Dulce. Seeing how it feels. So far, so good.

    She’s little right now, but we brought out Luna’s old dog bed for her, and she loves it. Luna was a big girl (75 pounds Lab/pit mix). So Dulce looks tiny on this big bed.

  117. 117.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    @Jeffg166: For obvious reasons, I’m interested in what makes people choose a book to read. A recent survey showed that the most common reason was a good experience with a previous book by that writer. Second most common reason was a recommendation by someone you trusted. I’d guess these books are more or less in that second category.

  119. 119.

    Layer8Problem

    @zhena gogolia:  ” . . . there may be some choice Biden concern-trolling.”

    Shoot, I forgot that might be a possibility at mine. Time to rev up the old sarcasm sharpener.

  122. 122.

    Glidwrith

    @E.: I’ve made it a holiday rule, no shopping on the holiday in the hope that employers get the hint and give everyone the day off.

  123. 123.

    Marmot

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: Say, was it you who recommended the rhubarb crisp yesterday? The kid n’ I ended up making a pie with a crisp-style top crust, thanks to you!

    Should be great—I barely fended the family off from eating it last night.

    Edit: Wait, no—was it a commenter with an “A…” name?

  124. 124.

    Geminid

    @lowtechcyclist: People here seem to accent the first syllable of Stanardsville. And the farther one gets from Greene County, the likelier it is to hear the town called, “Standardsville.”

  125. 125.

    lowtechcyclist

    @WaterGirl: ​
     

    Well, well, well, won’t the Republicans whose goals are more white babies going to be disappointed.

    Aw c’mon, nobody could’ve seen this coming!

    Except just about anyone who’d thought about it for half a minute, of course.

  128. 128.

    WaterGirl

    @Marmot: I’m pretty sure you’re right, I think it was Dorothy.  I remember because that sounded good.

    Someone at the farmer’s market used to sell amazing apple pies, but around the holiday they did apple-rhubarb, and I would kill for one of those pies.

  131. 131.

    lowtechcyclist

    @Geminid: ​
     

    People here seem to accent the first syllable of Stanardsville. And the farther one gets from Greene County, the likelier it is to hear the town called, “Standardsville.”

    Given that I haven’t spent much time in those environs in the past ~35 years, maybe pronunciations have changed. Or maybe I just remember wrong – that’s always a possibility too.

  132. 132.

    Another Scott

    Happy Thanksgiving, everyone.

    Meanwhile, … Reuters.com has a scary headline, but make sure to read deeper into the story.

    AMSTERDAM, Nov 23 (Reuters) – Far-right populist Geert Wilders wants to be the Netherlands’ next prime minister and would focus his efforts on curbing immigration, he said following a landmark election win that will have repercussions in the Netherlands and beyond.

    Wilders’ win sent a warning shot to mainstream parties across Europe ahead of European Parliament elections next June, which will likely be fought on the same issues as the Dutch election: immigration, cost of living and climate change.

    “We’ve had it with the old politicians,” voter Herman Borcher said in the eastern town of Enschede, summing up the mood.

    A fan of former U.S. President Donald Trump and Hungary’s eurosceptic Prime Minister Viktor Orban, Wilders is openly anti-Islam, and anti-EU and said “the Netherlands will be returned to the Dutch.”

    But his most radical ideas – and in particular any plans to take the country out of the EU or ban the Koran – will be rejected by other parties he must work with in order to form a coalition government, meaning he will have to compromise.

    That has not stopped fellow populists across the continent from welcoming his win as showing that “a new Europe is possible.”

    Beating all predictions, Wilders’ Freedom Party (PVV) won 37 seats out of 150 on Wednesday, well ahead of 25 for a joint Labour/Green ticket and 24 for the conservative People’s Party for Freedom and Democracy (VVD) of outgoing Prime Minister Mark Rutte. Coalition talks are expected to take months.

    […]

    Rene Cuperus, a senior research fellow at global affairs think-tank the Clingendael Institute said 80% of the Dutch were in favour of EU membership and an exit was not in the cards, nor was Wilders’ idea of banning the Koran likely to materialise.

    “It’s not an anti-Islam vote. It’s not an anti EU vote. No, it’s more a middle finger against the establishment in The Hague,” Cuperus said, referring to the city where the government is based.

    “It’s an anti-establishment signal … to really warn the established parties to fix the housing market crisis and to fix migration.”

    […]

    We’ll see what happens.

    Hang in there everyone. Enjoy the holiday.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  137. 137.

    lowtechcyclist

    @BlueGuitarist:

    Our county trash collection sites double as recycling sites, and yesterday I was gathering some stuff to take down to the nearest one (aka ‘the dump’) in its latter capacity, my wife asked me when I was going.  I replied, “It won’t be tomorrow, dear, we all know about dumps being closed on Thanksgiving.”

  138. 138.

    RevRick

    In yesterday’s discussion about the meal, I found myself experiencing a rising irritability over comments lambasting the turkey. As I said then, for me the turkey is inseparable from the feeling of family togetherness. Turkey tastes like love.

    But upon reflection, there’s more to it.
    For the first eight and a half years of my life we lived in public housing. Our meals were a regular rotation of simple dishes, including vegetables out of a can. I often wore hand-me-down clothes. Christmas presents included a lot of new clothes.
    Here in Allentown PA, with a majority Hispanic population (mostly Puerto Rican) with a significant amount of low income families, it has always struck me as strange for Hispanic people to be lined up at the Salvation Army to get free turkeys, because culturally turkey is a weird food in their culture. But then it hit me. Thanksgiving is about inclusion. It’s about feeling that you are a part of the larger community despite your circumstances.

    I think that is what undergirds and reinforces the myth of Pilgrims and Native Americans happily sharing a meal, fellowship and games together, when in truth it was an uneasy alliance of convenience. (The Pilgrims provided firepower to help the Wampanoag ward off the aggressive Narragansett; the Wampanoag provided food and warning of attacks.)
    Thanksgiving is not only about gratitude, it’s also about inclusion.

  139. 139.

    HeartlandLiberal

    This is our first Thanksgiving in forever not to prepare a feast. Last year I roasted two Amish chickens and a duck. We moved seven months ago to a retirement community. Last week we closed on our house, which we lived for thirty years. It was three stories, 3400 sq ft. But getting up and down the stairs was becoming dangerous for both of us. We moved to a cottage of 1400 sq ft. You can imagine the downsizing we did. We let go of a lifetime collection of vinyl LPs, over 1,200, most from the sixties, seventies, and eighties. We just could not keep them anymore.

    This year we are going to experience our first buffet meal at Thanksgiving. We invited our son to eat with us. The food here is very, very good. But I hope they have gravy.

    Happy Thanksgiving to all the jackalariat.

  142. 142.

    Gin & Tonic

    Happy Thanksgiving, all. It’s been a very challenging year in the G&T household, and I’m hoping for a bit of respite today. NB – there will be no MAGA at this repast.

  145. 145.

    Wapiti

    @OzarkHillbilly: Interesting article. I expect there are areas outside the rural south that have persistent poverty. The solutions – if there are solutions – would be similar, I imagine.

  148. 148.

    Jeffro

    Happy Thanksgiving, jackals!

    I started wondering how my RWNJ relatives will try to edge into political conversations on Sunday (when we’ll be seeing them for Other Thanksgiving) but then realized that’s not worth my time, either.   =)

  151. 151.

    Nukular Biskits

    @WaterGirl:

    @Kay: I would hope that the people doing / funding the research would be paying attention to the mothers, but the politicians behind all of this could give two shits (sorry) about the mothers, or even the babies after they are born.

    It’s maddening.

    BINGO!

    And that’s why MS Republicans had to be dragged, kicking and screaming, to expanding post-natal Medicaid coverage to 12 months.

  153. 153.

    BellyCat

    @mali muso: Awesome! I recall that 2016 November clearly. After the election was called for Trump, my (also aged 7) infant’s parents (me and mama) were so dismayed they forgot to change his diaper for 24 hours. This resulted in a “diaper explosion” at 4 a.m. 😂

  155. 155.

    Jeffro

    @narya: That sounds like an educational opportunity . . . “Here’s a lentil. Here’s a lime. Here’s an avocado. Here’s a fetus at 7-8 months (i.e., viability). Here’s a baby at birth.”

    Good idea.

    Couple it with “Here’s a lime…93% of all abortions happen at or before this point in a pregnancy.”

    Maybe it doesn’t matter: fundies, like MAGAts, always already know what they know.

  156. 156.

    Brachiator

    Woke up early, but am still late to the thread.

    I hope that those celebrating the day have a Happy Thanksgiving.

  157. 157.

    Jeffro

    @Geminid: this is educational – I’ve been accenting the first/wrong syllable all this time!  Thank you.

    (Hey at least I get “Staunton” and “Rivanna” and “Rio Road” right!  =)

    PS: my father-in-law calls Crozet “cro-ZETT”, which cracks us all up here in Fro-ville

  158. 158.

    Kathleen

    Happy Thanksgiving to all. I’m in Tampa with daughter, SIL, granddog and 2 grandsons one of whom is engaged to be married to a lovely young woman.

  162. 162.

    kalakal

    @OzarkHillbilly: Interesting. It sounds very similar to bits of rural Ohio where Mrs kalakal hails from. She spent many years in Chillicothe about 50 miles south of Columbus. Chillicothe isn’t a big place ( around 20,000 ) and isn’t exactly prosperous but the smaller places around it are dying. As the farms get mechanized and bought up by big ag local employment vanishes. Chillicothe survives by having a paper mill and the state pen. Somewhere like Greenfield has been dying for decades, since the horse blanket factory closed. It’s truly depressing, everyone works in the prison or the medical care industry. I like the area and my family and their friends but everyone who can get out, gets out.

  163. 163.

    Trivia Man

    I’m about to test the holiday travel gauntlet. Airports in TX and GA and WI. I’m expecting it to be very sparse crowds, hope to get through most of my book (Asimov short stories and essays, it’s comfort reading)

  164. 164.

    Danielx

    Turkey recipe called for bottle of champagne poured over the bird before placing in oven. Cork popped and hit my glasses as soon as I got the wire off, which is a first in 40-odd years of opening sparkling wine bottles. About half the bottle exploded all over the kitchen. Grateful to be wearing glasses for once, as this debacle would have cost me an eye. I hope this is not a harbinger for the rest of the day…

  167. 167.

    CaseyL

    Happy Thanksgiving, everyone!

    Today will be a cooking and laundry day for me.  “Thanksgiving: The Gathering” isn’t until tomorrow, when I go to my friends’ house.

  171. 171.

    Geminid

    @Jeffro: If you accent the first syllable of Stanardsville you are confirming to local practice.

    Claudius Crozet was quite an engineer. His railroad tunnel through Afton Mountain involved digging from the Valley side and the Piedmont side, and the two tunnels met each other almost perfectly. This was in 1856; now it’s been made into a park and I believe you can walk through Crozet’s tunnel and see where the two sections connected.

    Colonel Crozet’s journey from Napoleonic Army officer to American civil engineer must have been interesting. Someone should write a novel about Crozet and title it,”Yo, Claudius.”

  172. 172.

    Miss Bianca

    I decided to follow TaMara’s recipe suggestion for this year’s Thanksgiving turkey and all I gotta say right now is: it’s not *nearly* as easy to spatchcock a turkey as that guy in the video makes it look, LOL! But it’s done, hanging out in the fridge, waiting for roasting. We decided to give the Brussels sprouts that maple-bourbon treatment too, with the addition of some bacon bits. I’m going to take them for a drive while I tend to my boss’s critters this morning, so that the mixture gets all bounced around and evenly distributed over the sprouts. Happy Thanksgiving!

  173. 173.

    Sure Lurkalot

    It was close to 70 degrees yesterday…today might hit 40 and then snow tonight. While I’m more than used to the “if you don’t like the weather, wait a day” variety in Denver, it would have been nice to have yesterday’s weather today for the travelers. Might have a BIL stay 2 nights instead of one if we get the maximum predicted. 

    Happy Thanksgiving everyone! Have to make some side dishes and get the app tray assembled so I better get to it!

  174. 174.

    frosty

    @schrodingers_cat: That feather looks really good!

    Ms. F is doing online lessons in Zentangle. Small (3 1/2) tiles with a fine-tipped pens, learning different patterns. It’s both art and meditation. I think you’d like it.

    ETA I’m glad you’re still here.

  175. 175.

    Eunicecycle

    @kalakal: I spent some of my childhood 30 miles north in Circleville. I went back for a reunion about 9 years ago and it was so depressing. A lot of us that went to college didn’t go back but there was a large group that stayed and made a living somehow.

  176. 176.

    frosty

    @Geminid: ​ That’s a Baltimore pronunciation of Standardsville. Except it’s still got too many consonants. In Bawlmer it would be: “Stanarsville”.​ Or maybe Starnsville LOL.​

  177. 177.

    zhena gogolia

    God, my e-mail is pinging constantly and it’s all ads and politicians. Why can’t they take a rest on Thanksgiving? I don’t need a Thanksgiving greeting from my dentist!

  180. 180.

    kalakal

    @Eunicecycle: Circleville holds bitter memories for Mrs kalakal. She’s never forgiven her cousin for being crowned “Little Miss Pumpkin 1960*” instead of her 😂😂😂. I can imagine just how depressing it is to go back. Mrs kalakal moved to Cincinnati as soon as she could

    *or around then

  182. 182.

    Another Scott

    Speaking of childhood memories, I remember going with a friend to a county fair and seeing the blaring signs and sounds of the shows. “See the Giant Rats from the sewers of Paris!!!” (with “illusion” in microscopic print). The carney made us move along because we were snickering and talking too loudly about the fine print. ;-)

    Meanwhile, … Phys.org:

    A team of Zaira Rangers, a mammalogist with The University of Melbourne and a college professor with Solomon Islands National University have taken the first and only pictures of the rare Vangunu giant rat. In their project, reported in the journal Ecology and Evolution, the group set up camera traps with tips from locals and studied the images to identify the animals.

    For many years, locals living in the Solomon Islands have reported stories of large rats that climb trees and crack open coconuts with their teeth. Because the rats went unstudied by scientists, it was unknown whether the rats were a unique species or even if the stories were true. In 2017, a team of researchers from the Field Museum in Chicago ventured to the islands intent on discovering the truth.

    They managed to observe several of the rats and even managed to capture one and collect skin samples, which they took back to Chicago. The observations suggested that the rats likely weighed on average 1 kilogram and measured up to 45 centimeters in length—approximately three to four times the size of common brown or black rats. Upon performing a DNA analysis on the skin sample, the team found that the rat was indeed a previously unknown species—they named it Uromys vika.

    The team from Chicago did not manage to capture any of the rats on film, however, which led them to create illustrations depicting the rats, which are the only images scientists have had available for study until now. For this new study, the research team set up several camera traps at sites recommended by locals on the island of Vangunu. Their experiment was a success—the team managed to capture 95 images of the rats, which, after analysis, revealed that there were four individuals.

    The researchers suggest their efforts might have come just in time, as it appears the rats are likely to go extinct within a few years due to logging activities, which are destroying the only place they live.

    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ece3.10703

    :-(

    The journal article is open access.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  183. 183.

    realbtl

    Quiet T day here in MT, my friend wasn’t feeling well so we’re having T day on Sat.

    And thanks again to all of you who are supporting WG’s Montana fund drive, I think the state can still be salvaged.

  187. 187.

    Jeffro

    @Geminid:Claudius Crozet was quite an engineer. His railroad tunnel through Afton Mountain involved digging from the Valley side and the Piedmont side, and the two tunnels met each other almost perfectly. This was in 1856; now it’s been made into a park and I believe you can walk through Crozet’s tunnel and see where the two sections connected.

    It is kind of unbelievable that they were that close!

    Folks keep tell me that I should walk or bike the tunnel, but it’s pretty low on my to-do list.  It’s juuust long enough to start stressing out about all. that. rock. overhead.

  190. 190.

    lowtechcyclist

    @WaterGirl: ​
     

    If you’re an hourly worker, that’s very different from a salaried person who has benefits and gets paid for holidays.

    I was thinking primarily about hourly workers, who once upon a time did get paid holidays. Salaried people usually get paid holidays, but usually don’t get OT pay at all. Though on those occasions as a government worker when I was asked to work OT if I could, I got paid time and a half.

    But the interaction of holiday and OT pay worked the same as a security guard in 1977, a paralegal in 1980, and a GS-12 in 2000.

  191. 191.

    opiejeanne

    My husband had an older cousin named Melvin, and one memorable Thanksgiving we hosted all of my husband’s family within 400 miles: grandparents, great aunts and uncles, first and second cousins some of whom should have been removed, including Cousin Melvin and his POSSILQ. While the twins at the kids’ table were throwing olives at each other as my kids watched in fascinated horror and my MIL laughed at how cute their naughtiness was, Cousin Melvin followed me into the kitchen when I went to check on the turkey, in order to argue why  evolution is wrong and the Earth is only 5,000 years old. He didn’t understand the limits of carbon dating, like, it can’t date rocks and can only date things more than X years old (50,000?).  I tossed him out of my kitchen by brandishing a carving knife, my go-to method of getting people out of there when the turkey is lollygagging and not quite done yet.

    A few minutes later his girlfriend came in and tearfully apologized for them living in sin. I looked her in the eye and said something to the effect of “if you’re ashamed of it, stop doing it. Just get married.”

    That day I found out that Grandma was expecting my FIL when she married Grandpa, but that it goes back another generation before that, with her own father having abandoned his girlfriend when she began to show.  Also, her daughter was expecting when she got hitched to Dave’s uncle.  Grandma and Auntie Kathleen were my favorites among my in-laws; I think gossipy Great Uncle Dick was trying to make me feel right at home, which was odd since this was my home.

    It was a swell party.

  192. 192.

    lowtechcyclist

    @WaterGirl: ​

    Workers were part of a union. If a holiday was on a Sunday, you literally got paid double time and a half.

    So if you hadn’t been scheduled to work on that Sunday, you would have gotten bupkis for that holiday?

    Because​ how much you really got paid for working on a holiday is the difference between what you got paid, having worked the holiday, and how much you would have got paid if you hadn’t worked that day.

  193. 193.

    Ruckus

    @lowtechcyclist:

    As an ex employer that paid hourly, people did specifically not get paid for their time off unless a holiday came during the week, such as thanksgiving this year. Sunday was a day of rest, for both them and my bank account. They got time and a half for overtime (8hrs/day) or working on Saturday and paid time off for holidays during the work week. Now it’s been 3 decades since I’ve been in a position to create paychecks, so it’s quite possible the laws have changed, but I’m doubting that hourly workers get paid for weekend holidays, unless for them it is a workday.

  195. 195.

    Geminid

    @Jeffro: A friend and I walked through the new tunnel once. It’s lower and longer than the old one, I think 1.2 miles. We got most of the way through before it curved and we could see the exit. I would not do that again.

    The new tunnel’s entrance has “1942” cast into the concrete entrance wall, but I read that it started operating in 1941. It was one of a number of infrastructure improvements the Roosevelt administration made to get the nation ready for war.

    There was a big DuPont plant in Waynesboro; during the war it produced explosives 7 days a week, 3 shifts a day. The tunnel leads to the Hampton Roads area going east, and going west it connects to Huntington, West Virginia and Ohio beyond.

  196. 196.

    lowtechcyclist

    @BellyCat:

    Total monthly income goes up as a result, which is the major benefit and motivation when living hand to mouth.

    Well sure, but the question is: would total monthly income go up any more from working on a holiday than from working on a random Saturday?

    In the situations I was in, the answer was always ‘no’ but people were convinced it was ‘yes.’

  197. 197.

    lowtechcyclist

    @WaterGirl: ​
     

    When you’re an hourly worker, you don’t get paid for holidays you don’t work. At least, that’s how it was for us.

    OK, that’s different then. Of course I haven’t been an hourly worker in 40 years, but back then, full-time hourly workers typically got paid holidays. Most hourly workers weren’t unionized, but enough were in the northeast U.S. that paid holidays were the norm. Part-timers, probably not even back then.

  198. 198.

    Ruckus

    @opiejeanne:

    Sounds like an almost normal family……

    I may have just insinuated too much about my own extended family.  I think that families are generally more alike than many think. Seems to me that in any medium sized extended family there is the entire range of humanity, or at least close to the entire range. Hell in my experience of families I’ve known (one’s I’m not related to!) (but did go to church and school with)  there is someone who has spent over 50 yrs in prison for murder. Seems to me that a lot of humanity belongs within the definition of humanity simply because they walk upright and look similar to at least 1/2 of the rest of us. And we might know them or even be related to them. What’s the old saying, “There’s no excuse for humanity.”

  199. 199.

    kalakal

    @Ruckus:

    What’s the old saying, “There’s no excuse for humanity.”

    Terry Pratchett had a character who was

    “disqualified from the human race for shoving”

  201. 201.

    Soprano2

    @Nukular Biskits: That is shocking. I would think everyone has known someone who was pregnant, and thus knows how long it lasts. Is that deficient education, or people punking the surveyor?

  203. 203.

    kalakal

    @Another Scott:

    My ex-wife’s parents were farmers in rural Lancashire. Whenever they and their friends heard of a wedding announcement there was a chorus of “When’s it due?”

  204. 204.

    CaseyL

    @opiejeanne:

    @Another Scott:

    Many years ago, I learned that “bundling” was a common practice in the US during the 18th and possibly 19th Centuries in the frontier territories.  A courting couple would sleep in a bed together, separated by a wooden rail.  It was commonly assumed they would manage to have sex anyway (the rail being for social propriety’s sake) and the young woman would be pregnant by the wedding date.

    IIRC, this was a sort of fertility test, to make sure the couple could have children.  (The more children, the better, back then, for all sorts of reasons.) I don’t know if that meant the wedding would be cancelled if it didn’t work and she didn’t get pregnant.

  205. 205.

    Ruckus

    @Danielx:

    Naw. You got it out of the way early – the something that always goes wrong. It’s often minor and of very little consequence so no one notices all that much, in this case it was a bit more of an issue but now it’s done and the rest of the day can go just fine.

  207. 207.

    Nukular Biskits

    @Soprano2:

    @Nukular Biskits: That is shocking. I would think everyone has known someone who was pregnant, and thus knows how long it lasts. Is that deficient education, or people punking the surveyor?

    Good question, but I doubt it’s much of the latter.

    My pet theory is that, given “conservatives” are generally hostile to education, their ignorance tends to skew the results.

  208. 208.

    Trivia Man

    @frosty: My Mrs teaches zen tangle, it is very meditative. It helped her tremendously when she had severe pain and endless medical issues. Sitting in waiting rooms, bed ridden and recovering, trying to get through each day. So she teaches to pass it on.

  209. 209.

    Glidwrith

    @Nukular Biskits: The forced birthers don’t distinguish between a fertilized egg and a viable child. They don’t distinguish between a woman with her own heart, feelings and worth and have now stripped us down to fewer rights than a corpse.

    It’s not lack of education but willful denial that half the human race deserves to be more than a walking incubator.

  210. 210.

    Ealbert

    It was my mother (born in 1933) who taught me the comment “New wives are more industrious than older wives, they manage to get done in seven months what older wives take nine months to do.”

  211. 211.

    Citizen Alan

    @Glidwrith:

    fewer rights than a corpse.

    Women have fewer rights than a corpse in the sense that internal anatomy of someone who has declined to sign an Organ donor card Is sancrasant after their death. But not the bodies of living breathing women who become pregnant unexpectedly.

  213. 213.

    Chris T.

    @Nukular Biskits: He or she should have a companion named “Nopar”. (I always liked the idea of future archeologists discussing the two famous kings of the 20th Century, “Nosmo” and “Nopar”, whose had adherents everywhere.)

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