The whole thing is just sad.
He shows up wearing a Bane jacket to show how much of a red-pilled edgelord he is, then repeats his big line while desperately looking around for applause that never comes. https://t.co/hU5yBMkgho
— Justin Baragona (@justinbaragona) November 30, 2023
If ‘we’ weren’t all so sick of the man already, Musk’s Massive Dealbook Meltdown would probably be noted (celebrated) — along with Sam Bankman-Fried’s imprisonment and the self-destruction of Michael Lewis’ reputation, among others — as an indicator of the end of some of the worst business narratives of our era.
Actually watching this all the way through and it's kind of… disturbing? Something is clearly going on with this guy. https://t.co/azCO6niEXy
— Ben Collins (@oneunderscore__) November 30, 2023
This Musk answer about whether the New York Times was throttled is must-see TV
“They didn’t buy a subscription”
— Tom Nichols (@RadioFreeTom) November 29, 2023
Musk has long said that Tesla doesn't need advertisers, because it has his Twitter account.
But Musk is learning that Twitter darn well needs advertisers. https://t.co/vnzMoAcOI5— davidrlurie (@davidrlurie) November 30, 2023
Never seen a person who think he is entitled to advertising dollars. Interesting strategy! https://t.co/q6e9g0LNDl
— Tommy Vietor (@TVietor08) November 29, 2023
But there’s gotta be a pony in there *somewhere*!…
"Sure he published the entire Procotols of the Elders of Zion in his newspaper, but Henry Ford sure could build those Model T cars" is basically what this dipshit is saying. https://t.co/So6huDHgZt
— scary lawyerguy (@scarylawyerguy) November 29, 2023
Musk Fanboi #1, David Sacks, thinks he’s found (a small) one:
I'm no business genius or anything, but if slashing the price of my primary product did not increase sales, or even stabilize an ongoing collapse of sales, I'd look into what besides the price fleeing customers are concerned about and do something to address that.
Just a thought. https://t.co/GLe50GNhPA— Nicholas Grossman (@NGrossman81) November 30, 2023
My "Tell it to Earth" t-shirt is answering an awful lot of questions that people are asking
Unfortunately most of those questions are "sir are you on drugs?"
— The okayest poster there is (@ok_post_guy) November 29, 2023
— Dénis B. Huppert (french era ????) (@dennisbhooper) November 30, 2023
War for Ukraine Day 646: Russia Continues To Test Ukraine’s Air Defense
Baud
Walter Isaacson: Kool-Aid drinker.
ColoradoGuy
Man, what ARE those drugs? He’s high as a kite on something, but what?
He makes Howard Hughes sound normal and boring.
And what’s with his face? Is it melting?
Betty Cracker
Someone here recently said Musk looks like shaved Cookie Monster, and I’m still giggling about it days later.
MagdaInBlack
@ColoradoGuy: Whatever they are, I have no interest in them.
Tony Jay
The image of Musky hot-mouthing his desperate need for applause while the stock ticker below scrolls past with a big 🔻 next to Tesla will stay with me throughout this morning coffee.
Also, Musky looks like someone bleached a French Stewart mask and wore it to a Bikers For Trump meeting.
Betty Cracker
@Tony Jay: LOL!
Urza
@ColoradoGuy: ketamine supposedly
Brachiator
Musk is becoming more tiresome than Trump. And both dopes seem intent on acting out their resentments and mental problems in public. I think that both will crash and burn in the near future. It’s sad that Musk will probably take Twitter down with him.
Repost from earlier:
Here is Marques Brownlee test driving the Tesla Cybertruck.
Another truck test drive from Carwow.
Anne Laurie
Musk *says* he does ‘medication for [his] ADHD’, plus ‘doctor-prescribed ketamine microdoses for depression’.
As us ADHD folks will tell you, ‘ADHD meds’ is basically methamphetamine made under professional quality-control standards. And ADHD meds famously do *not* mix well with a lot of other psychoactive medications…
Concerning the weird facial deformation, I think that’s what happens when you’re desperate to stay young at all costs (can’t be a Boy Genius when you’re visibly middle-aged!). So you don’t listen to the plastic surgeons who tell you mixing botox, fillers, facial planing & micro-lifts with [some quantity of recreational chemicals, including booze & smoking] is not a great investment.
Betty Cracker
Local papers are digging up more details on the sexual assault allegation and swinger scandal engulfing FL GOP Chair Christian Ziegler and Moms for Liberty cofounder Bridget Ziegler. The Orlando Sentinel says the cops have video placing CZ at the scene where he’s accused of the crime. The O-Sen report also says BZ told cops she and her husband had a three-way a year ago with the accuser.
Baud
@Betty Cracker:
Obviously, she was corrupted after reading a school library book.
Tony Jay
@Betty Cracker:
Pre-orders for “Swiping Right”, the Madison Cawthorn tell-all, are through the roof.
🐾BillinGlendaleCA
@Betty Cracker: I’m sure it was a wholesome three-way, no gay stuff or drag queens involved.
satby
Are the whiny trolls gone? Is it safe to come out now?
satby
@Betty Cracker: At some point it’ll probably come out that one of these creeps forced a woman to have an abortion, either this victim or someone else.
Brachiator
@Betty Cracker:
Ugh. A sad and ugly situation. Even if this guy is somehow cleared of the battery accusation, it’s hard to see how he could continue to sell himself and his wife as Family Values Approved.
Are they going to allow books about swinging to be put in the library?
Dangerman
@Brachiator: I didn’t think it humanly possible to produce a car uglier than an Aztec. I stand corrected. I’ve seen beeter looking Pintos and they were on fire.
Tony Jay
@satby:
Oh? Did something occur while I was catching up on much needed sleep?
Brachiator
@🐾BillinGlendaleCA:
The allegations are pretty ugly. The claim is that the wife cancelled the three-way, but that the man later went to the woman’s home on his own and assaulted her.
The three-way stuff is additional salacious information.
Matt McIrvin
@Anne Laurie: Wait, wait, ketamine?
This explains things. A physics newsgroup I was on a lot back in the 90s had a regular pest who liked to talk about his ketamine trips. That guy acted kind of like Elon Musk without any money. Kept hawking a scheme for communicating faster than light with quantum mechanics. Went through weird manic depressive gyrations when people picked it apart. Sometimes claimed to be an officer in Starfleet from Star Trek.
satby
@Tony Jay: Starts early in Anne Laurie’s Friday night thread.
Brachiator
@Dangerman:
Yeah, the vehicle is stupid ugly. But it seems to perform well.
Betty Cracker
@Brachiator: Moms for Liberty initially tweeted in support of their cofounder, suggesting the accusations were politically motivated. Then they deleted it and stopped tweeting.
The alleged rape is the most serious issue, obviously. Seeing justice done is the top priority, IMO.
But if the three-way scandal torches the Moms for Liberty brand, that’s an unalloyed good thing. They are an incredibly destructive force here in Florida and nationwide, causing absurd turmoil over non-issues in schools that are already struggling.
I don’t give a rat’s ass what consenting adults do on their own time, but I want all the popcorn when these hypocrites’ moralizing blows up in their faces.
p.a.
@Betty Cracker: It’s uncanny how “every accusation is an admission” just keeps holding up!😂😂😂
Also too, for all these nitwits: cellphone camera, what that?!?!
Just seen on this morning’s news: RI gov’s nominee for ethics commission withdraws when Boston Globe publishes record of 6 sexual harassment complaints by several women.
Villago Delenda Est
@Brachiator: Look, these “people”, and I use that noun advisedly, already worship a known sexual assaulter who has hanged out in teen beauty pageant dressing rooms, was best buds with Epstein, has been verified to cheat on every wife he’s ever had, and repeatedly uses the Lord’s name in vain. They are beyond abominable at this point, committing heresies against the core of their nominal religion.
bjacques
@Baud: “Heather Has Two Mommies For Liberty”?
Brachiator
@Betty Cracker:
Yep. It’s weird how these moralizing zealots believe that their hypocrisy will never be challenged.
Even a lazy and complaisant press will look at such blatant depravity as seen here.
Baud
@bjacques:
Win.
Villago Delenda Est
@bjacques: /high five
Villago Delenda Est
@Brachiator: I don’t trust the utter scum of the Vichy Times not to look the other way in a faux-casual manner.
Baud
I never thought I’d say this, but Pence was wise in refusing to be alone in a room with a woman other than Mother.
Baud
@Villago Delenda Est:
“Democrats concerned that Biden too old to engage in a three way” /NYT
Brachiator
@Villago Delenda Est:
Some deeply religious zealots see Trump as doing God’s will in bringing righteousness back to America. He has immunity from all his sins.
This idiotic cloak of righteousness doesn’t protect other Republican asswipes.
There may be some biblical precedent for this. King David does a lot of questionable stuff, even has a guy whacked to get his wife, and is still forgiven.
The authors of the David mythology continually give him a lot of plausible deniability for his actions.
So far, some Florida press is hitting the Ziegler story hard. The NY Times is not in the lead on this.
frosty
@Baud: Perfect! Your explanation is dead on.
p.a.
Yep. They felt the same about Reagan (1st divorced Pres), and Incurious George too: god’s regents on earth. It’s not the viscousness that loses their support, but the failure. Over and over. It’s why they have to rely on anti-democratic policies to win. For some, the scales eventually fall from their eyes, and for the young, they just don’t sign on to begin with.
Tony Jay
@satby:
See what you mean. Starts right off the bat and quickly gets saltier than a pirate king’s Jolly Todger.
Perhaps it was the phase of the moon casting Venus on Uranus.
satby
@Tony Jay: and Anne Laurie does yeoman’s work not just finding nuggets of news but tying them into a coherent narrative for a post. It’s fine to hate on Twitter, but the people who do miss the point that it continues to be a major source for news dissemination all over the world and that Elon Musk’s destruction of it has been detrimental to democracy movements all over the world. Now there’s no single source as all the substitutes are balkanized.
satby
And I’m off. Third market day in a row.
As Billin replied to someone in an earlier threat about the season of goodwill to all: ” obviously not someone who works retail”.
Everyone have a good day.
The Thin Black Duke
@satby: (mic drop)
Matt McIrvin
@Villago Delenda Est: The amazing thing about the Epstein connection was that Trump’s fans made a huge deal about connecting Epstein with Hillary Clinton (not Bill, Hillary). And it basically worked even though their own guy was obviously buddies with Epstein and actually had an associated rape accusation against him.
Mousebumples
@satby: Good luck at the market, today!
Mr. Mouse and I are competing at trivia championships this afternoon with a friend. Usually he and the friend know most of the answers, but I can sometimes offer up something in the science or political space. Often picked up from this blog! I love all the eclectic news (and trivia) reporting that happens here.
lowtechcyclist
@Villago Delenda Est:
heterosexual
heterosexual
heterosexual
heterosexual
‘Real men’ do that
Nominal.
I’ve been reading a blog lately, tellmewhytheworldisweird.blogspot.com, written by an exvangelical woman, and have been getting quite a schooling on what these people believe about sexual roles.
Short version is that they’re taught that passion continually builds up in men, and if they’re not sexually satisified every two or three days, no telling what they’ll do. So it’s essential for women to act and dress modestly in public so that they don’t tempt men into sin, and those who are married need to satisfy their husbands every two or three days, or who can blame him if he seeks satisfaction elsewhere.
So while men are supposed to only have sex with their wives, it’s a ‘well you can hardly blame them’ if they have sex with someone else. And unstated but clearly visible below the surface: with all that pressure supposedly building up inside them, you can hardly blame men for forcing themselves on women if they’ve been too deprived.
So the sexual ethos of American evangelicalism is that men can get away with pretty much anything as long as it’s heterosexual and not too kinky. Women, OTOH, are charged with guarding not only their own chastity but making sure they don’t inadvertently tempt the men in their lives.
So the rape allegation isn’t a deal-breaker for them, but the three-way is. The exact opposite of the way we see it.
Tony Jay
@satby:
AL has repeatedly explained why she still takes information from Xitter and its for the obvious reason. People who have a problem with that (after hearing the explanation) can go shove a porcupine up their rectitude.
Geminid
@lowtechcyclist: Have you checked out Wartburg Watch?* That site is run by another small cell of contrarian Evangelical women. They focus more on matters of church leadership, and they do not pull their punches.
*Named after the castle in Thuringia where an Elector hid Martin Luther for a couple years.
Ramalama
@Baud:
The library is a goddamned gateway.
zhena gogolia
@Baud: lol
Another Scott
FTFNYT hosting this Dealbook thing and inviting Melon is [chef’s kiss]. You know that they are overjoyed by all the attention.
As Dougj reminds us, Melon will no doubt be joining Harvard’s Institute of Politics next.
Something something there’s a club but you’re not in it.
Grr…,
Scott.
SFAW
@Baud:
DougJ! I was wondering whether you were still lurking here.
Ramalama
Against my better whatnot, I listened to Elmo in his bomber jacket mawping with his turtle mouth about how Earth was going to take care of his enemies, aka, former advertisers.
Andrew Ross Sorkin: “Those advertisers, I imagine, are going to say ‘we didn’t kill the company’ (Xitter)…”
Elmo: “…oh yeah? Tell it to Earth.”
WT everlasting F
rikyrah
Good Morning Everyone 😊😊😊
SFAW
@Tony Jay:
Commenter moops started off that thread complaining (relatively mildly) about the Xitter posts being linked (as opposed to screenshotted-only, I think), people jumped on him/her, he/she more-or-less apologized. [It was NOT a No-pology, in my opinion, but I’m a known/verified asshole, so what do I know?]
Betty Cracker
Just saw these beauties from the porch. I see plenty of cranes and spoonies, but never that close together until this morning. They did not seem to interact in any visible way.
Baud
@rikyrah:
Good morning.
Another Scott
@lowtechcyclist: I’ve learned to be suspicious of simple explanations for human behavior, but this makes some sense.
Thanks.
Cheers,
Scott.
NotMax
Day approaching when concerned shareholdres manage to break into Musk’s locked office only to find it deserted, the single word Croatoan carved into the desk top.
//
SFAW
@Ramalama:
Skum used “earth” in the sense of “most of the population of earth LOVES him/Xitter,” not the metaphysical [sic] sense.
I mean, he was worng, but he wasn’t completely around the bend (this time).
SFAW
@NotMax:
Worng coast.
NotMax
@SFAW
“Talk to the
handdirt.”//
Anne Laurie
More probably, Orania (2019 article).
Geminid
Early in last night’s Ukraine post, Adam Silverman gives a link to an excellent article he wrote for the Ark Valley Voice.*
It’s datelined Nov. 30, and covers immediate events in the Gaza truce and hostage releases. The bulk of the article focuses on the larger question of Israeli-Palestinian relations, and provides a very cogent statement of the problem.
*The Ark Valley Voice comes out of southeastern Colorado, I believe. A local citizen journalist who contributes to the site is also a Jackal.
Suzanne
Can I note that it makes me crazy when people write “free rein” (as in the Xweet above), rather than “free rein”?! FFS. It refers to loosening the reins on a horse so they can do what they want. It’s not reigning over others. It’s about liberty and choices, not sovereignty.
LiminalOwl
@lowtechcyclist: Thank you for the blog link. Following religious weirdness is one of my major interests (as was too much in evidence a while back). And I heard a lot of stuff like what you posted, back when I was in realtime contact with Christofascist weirdos, though they were mostly RC rather than evangelical.
LiminalOwl
@satby: Just noting again how much we’re enjoying the luscious hand creams. Hope you have a great market day!
Geminid
@Betty Cracker: It looks like the Cranes are giving the Spoonbill the sideye. Birds often do this.
Ramalama
@Suzanne: is there a g missing or am I missing the point entirely? Probably the latter.
The Thin Black Duke
@NotMax: Holy Harlan Ellison, Batman!
OzarkHillbilly
@Suzanne: Heh:
FTR: that particular faux pas catches my eye every time, but tbh it’s an easy mistake to make, as illustrated by the quote above.
lowtechcyclist
@Geminid:
I have a couple of times now, but it just hasn’t caught my interest. I don’t know if it’s the format: the front page is pretty much all titles, usually no text at all past that to try to pull you in. But the titles themselves don’t grab me, I’ll confess.
Maybe another part of it is that they’re, like you say, contrarian Evangelicals. It’s been at least a half-dozen years since I reached the point of concluding that there’s no point in trying to reform evangelicalism; better to get out and start something new. Good on them for fighting the good fight, but it’s just not my fight anymore.
Matt McIrvin
@p.a.:
These movements try to retain numbers by out-reproducing liberals. It works as long as you can keep your kids in the fold, but they usually can’t.
But they’ve got another method of youth recruitment, which is to play on the sexual frustration of young men who want to be handed control over women–in theory, traditional sex/gender mores would give them that.
The thing is, it’s a limited appeal that still doesn’t get them the numbers they need unless they can leverage violence to enforce it. Which comes back to anti-democracy.
Another Scott
@Ramalama:
Maybe she meant rain?? (5:56).
;-)
Cheers,
Scott.
NotMax
@Suzanne
Whenever I see “free reign” I flash back to a written only in my head short story covering the rule of the fictional King Ichabod the Uninterested.
:)
Completely shifting gears, Suzanne, from an architectural perspective, much of interest to this lay observer.
LiminalOwl
@rikyrah: Good morning!
SFAW
@Suzanne: Me, too. Also, since we’re on horse-related expressions: “chomping at the bit.”
SFAW
@NotMax:
Well, at least your head was still attached.
Gin & Tonic
@Suzanne: Come sit by me and we can go crazy together.
Ceci n est pas mon nym
@Suzanne: In the age of internet, all kinds of misspellings have been given free rain.
(ducks and runs)
Gin & Tonic
@SFAW: Good one, champ.
Suzanne
@NotMax: That is cool. I will note that it’s sponsored by Schindler, which is a huge manufacturer of elevators and escalators. Many large buildings already have similar technology here, where you input your destination and the elevator bank has computers to sort out specific cars to go to the various destinations.
The biggest issue we have architecturally is that modern office buildings have too much interior square footage and not enough perimeter square footage for windows. So the few large-scale conversion projects that have been done are really complicated (like cutting huge light shafts into the building) and sometimes adding floors on top. And this, of course, is expensive. The buildings that work better for conversions tend to be fairly long, skinny rectangles, which is an older typology (like up to about 1960).
And by the time you add all the toilets and sinks and showers and fire sprinklers and separate metering for electrical and air conditioning and heating and all of that stuff….. it’s really expensive. Like, probably more than building new in most cities, by a lot. So very few developers are going to do something like this, because it’s only in the densest, wealthiest cities can they make their money back.
So there’s a handful of projects that convert these buildings, but it is not the answer to most of America’s empty downtowns. And it certainly isn’t going to solve the affordable housing crisis.
Suzanne
@Ramalama: Accck, DYAC. “Free rein” is correct and “free reign” is not. It would be one thing if people screwed it up and it was just a spelling error, but it changes the meaning. It’s meant to convey autonomy, not domination.
ETA: FUCK U APPLE. You autocorrected me incorrectly AGAIN.
Matt McIrvin
We used to have a cat whose terrible bowel troubles drove him to poop and pee all over the house–a sad situation. At one point he had bowel obstruction surgery and they put him on ketamine for it. I remember thinking it was a mercy that cats can’t write.
Shalimar
@Baud: I’m not going to stop making fun of Pence for it, but I thought he was smart with that then too. We make fun of him for not trusting himself around women, but it’s great for his brand. If anyone is asked to name one Republican who definitely isn’t cheating on their spouse, the first name that comes to mind is almost always going to be Mike Pence. Who would trust any of the other hypocrites in the party?
Matt McIrvin
@Suzanne: We recently stayed in a highrise city hotel in, I think, Montreal where my daughter was a bit nonplussed by the need to input her floor in the elevator lobby. But I told her I’d already seen that kind of thing in Boston and New York. It certainly makes sense if you’ve got multiple elevator shafts and you want to manage the load intelligently. I guess for really tall buildings they often have express and local elevators and you might need to switch for a long trip.
Another Scott
@NotMax: @Suzanne:
I’m not seeing the big innovation in the elevators here. An app and doors on both sides? Is that it??
Even with an app and doors on both sides, one still has the issue of scheduling in ways that don’t annoy people. Mr. Moneybags in his penthouse apartment wants to go down to catch his last-minute limo ride to his private jet, but there are also 20 people waiting for an elevator to go up to get to their cubicles on time. Who gets priority??
Don’t get me wrong, having doors on both sides makes sense, as does having some smarts on the scheduling. But, ultimately, there are human constraints (as Suzanne reminds us). There’s only so much that renovation flexibility can do compared to purpose-built spaces.
Thanks.
Cheers,
Scott.
Ramalama
@Another Scott: What a wonderful song to listen to this morning, thanks. I wasn’t much of a WHO fan when they were together but I listened the shite out of Pete Townshend’s White City album. So much so that I wore down a groove in myself.
Also I was and remain a rabid dog for the Scottish band Big Country. They toured in Boston as the OPENING ACT (what fuckkery) for Roger Dalton. I worship at the end of the amp of Big Country. I was there at the Orpheum holding on to every sonic note, and the guy next to me kept hitting on me. A plumber from the 413 area of Masshole Central, and so I left after Big Country closed their set. Never saw Roger.
jonas
I’m seeing this FTFNYT forum both Harris and Musk are at called “DealBook” and for some reason, along with hearing about plans for the forthcoming Haberman/Swann Trump crime catalog, it’s making me just a little nauseous.
Barry
@satby: “At some point it’ll probably come out that one of these creeps forced a woman to have an abortion, either this victim or someone else.”
My money is on ‘most, if not all’.
NotMax
@Another Scott
The trick as I see it is no penthouse apartments. Residential units relegated to the middle floors , office/commercial use above and below (possibly even residential in staggered configuration with commercial space sandwiched in between).
One size fits all panacea? Of course not but seems to be working in discrete locations.
UncleEbeneezer
@lowtechcyclist:
Bingo. And if the man is unhappy it’s the woman’s fault too.
Ken
@Betty Cracker: Nice shot of several species of dinosaurs at the waterside, reminiscent of Zallinger’s The Age of Reptiles.
(I think it was your remark about the birds “not interacting”, plus the semi-tropical setting, that triggered that memory. As a child I was fascinated by that mural, and spent hours looking at the details in a book my grandparents had.)
lowtechcyclist
@LiminalOwl:
You’re welcome! Perfectnumber628 (her handle) always gives me a lot to think about with her posts. And yeah, there’s been increasing convergence between the evangelicals and the conservative RCs. They’ve largely buried their hatchets in order to join and oppose the common enemy, us. But I’m sure that if the Christofascists ever triumphed, they’d be at each other’s throats within a decade, if not sooner.
Geminid
Glad we got some more rain yesterday. It was terribly dry coming out of October.
SFAW
@Suzanne:
You do realize that Apple products are a tool of Satan, don’t you? [Yes, I realize there’s subject/verb disagreement there.]
ETA: Especially when the CEO (i.e., Tim Apple) insisted on naming the company after himself. Or maybe it was the other way around?
Soprano2
@Betty Cracker: I completely agree. One good thing about their embrace of TFG is that it destroyed what little moral credibility they still had.
lowtechcyclist
@UncleEbeneezer:
Yeppers.
Suzanne
@Matt McIrvin: My office building in Philly has the “smart elevators”. Here in Pittsburgh, UPMC Presbyterian has them, too. It’s much more efficient than adding additional shafts/cabs. They can really improve service times.
Of course, I really enjoy great stairs, and I wish there were often better designs in buildings to encourage their use.
SFAW
@Betty Cracker:
I think you’re going to be waiting a long, long time for that to happen, unfortunately. Yes, I realize Falwell Jr. has lost his standing, as have others, but I haven’t seen an broad, long-lasting consequences for their moral hypocrisy/turpitude. [Yes, I realize I might be forgetting a ton of stuff. I hope that’s the case, and that I’m worng about this all.]
lowtechcyclist
@Betty Cracker:
Hey now, what about the rest of us?
You’d better share, dammit! ;-)
Soprano2
@lowtechcyclist: How do they see men who aren’t married? How are they supposed to “release the pressure” because most of the time these people forbid masturbation.
SFAW
@Suzanne:
How do you define that/them? Yes, I’m being serious.
lowtechcyclist
@Suzanne:
I know! The elevators are always right in front of you when you come in, while in most buildings it seems like you’ve got to hunt to find the stairs. It’s that way around here even in buildings that were built to house medical practices, where you’d think they’d want to encourage stair use.
Pisses me off because if we’re only talking a flight or two (typically the case), I’d much rather start up the stairs than wait for the elevator.
karen marie
I want to know what’s wrong with Musk’s face. Is it too much botox that makes it not move when he talks? He looks like a Grouper.
Words fail to describe what a monumental failure the human species has been if we’re to consider him a success.
Suzanne
@SFAW: I don’t have a specific definition. In architectural parlance, we’d call them “monumental stairs”, which means that they don’t serve an egress function. So they are required to meet code for sizes of treads and risers, height of guardrails, etc, but they can be open to the floors they connect rather than enclosed in a shaft. Since these are almost always an optional thing, when we do them, we usually get to make them kinda fancy or special.
I like that. I think we should encourage people to take stairs more. Making them experiential is one way to do that.
lowtechcyclist
@Soprano2:
I’m not sure, actually. My WAG is that they’re supposed to try their best, but if they sin (either through masturbation or through sex), it’s just not seen as that big a deal, unlike with the women and girls.
Soprano2
@Suzanne: Planet Money did an episode where they talked about a building that hid the elevators to encourage stair use. I think it was in Seattle. They had those fancy stairs in the lobby; he said they made them pretty to encourage people to use them.
I noticed something about buildings and public bathrooms; most of the time the women’s are on the left and the men’s are on the right. This isn’t always true, but seems to be most of the time. It would make sense to standardize this to reduce the chance of going into the wrong one.
Suzanne
@lowtechcyclist: It’s because fire stairs are required but monumental stairs are optional (and therefore cost money and take up space you could use for something else). There’s some pretty specific conditions you have to meet to use open stairs to meet egress requirements in most occupancy types.
Kay
Is it true that with all this fanfare Tesla actually delivered a total of 12 cybertrucks?
So they’re two years late and they delivered 12? I can see why the NYTimes think he’s a manufacturing genuis.
SFAW
@Suzanne:
Thanks. I was guessing it was something like that. I agree re: the on-display (so to speak) nature. Some part of me associates stairs like that with mansions or spectacular buildings (both residential and commercial). I guess they’re not “practical,” but maybe that’s part of the point.
karen marie
@Betty Cracker: Forget the three-way. Bridget Ziegler knew about the rape allegation.
But I don’t see any of it hurting her in the future. “God forgave me.” “I was coerced.”
Grifters will grift so long as there are marks. And we know there are always more marks.
Kay
@karen marie:
Lauren Boebert actually pulled this off with her groupies. Her husband came out and said he cheated on Boebert and that’s why she was acting out in the theater. Her religious followers have forgiven her because she’s the victim. Some of them were interviewed in Colorado and this is why they’re sticking by her- she was wronged by her husband. I expect the same bullshit from the Moms for Liberty founder.
Soprano2
@Suzanne: The building where my husband’s diabetes doc has her office has stairs right by the door; the elevators are further back. We always use the stairs because it’s only one floor. I never thought about it being deliberate in that building.
Suzanne
@lowtechcyclist: As someone who now works exclusively in healthcare architecture, you’d probably be surprised to learn that they’re often stair-averse. For some good reasons…. obvs in healthcare, there’s a lot of wheelchair and stretcher transport, even in outpatient buildings. And they’re harder for kids and older people, and there’s a huge concern about falls. So most places would rather put in more/better elevators and escalators. And there’s often a lot of concerns about access control and wanting to manage what floors people can access, and stairs are often seen as a weak point.
My projects right now both have monumental stairs! One connects two levels, the other connects three. Honestly one of my favorite parts of the project. It was a fight to get them into the project, and I wouldn’t be surprised if, at some point, they got cut out due to cost.
sab
@Suzanne: I like stairs. My husband hates them. We have disabled in my family so I really understand why alternatives to stairs are an important necessity, but stairs make people get exercise. I am upstairs and downstairs all day in my house. Plus they are often very attractive.
When I moved back east to Ohio I had to teach my german shepherd how to work stairs. She had never seen them before. It took her about an hour to adapt.
sab
@Suzanne: In healthcare there is all this concern for the disabled, yet they make them totter across huge useless atriums with their walkers while parking is hundreds of yards away.
I am not buying it.
Suzanne
@sab: Most modern healthcare buildings, even outpatient, have driveways to get people close to the front door, because the parking may be less convenient. Many hospitals have free valet parking.
CaseyL
@Suzanne:
I’m sorry, but I hate “smart elevators” with a passion – if they’re the same ones I encountered years ago, in a new and terribly cutting edge office building near downtown Seattle.
I hate them because, if you change your mind on the way up, or put in the wrong floor on the lobby console, you’re SOL changing your floor destination.
You also can’t find a spot sort of equidistant from all the cars to wait for “the next elevator,” but need to wait for the elevator your stop has been assigned to – whichever one that is. (In a large enough elevator lobby, that could mean a mad dash to the one you’re furthest from.)
Also, I don’t remember whether you can pick a destination from anywhere else in the building. Say I want to go to floor 14 to pick up some equipment, and then to floor 21 to drop it off, then back to my office on floor 10. Can I do that, going from floor to floor, or do I need to go back down to the lobby for each leg?
Villago Delenda Est
@p.a.: What pisses me off is that if there’s one thing the Gospels made a point of, it was that Jesus had no patience with hypocrites. So, the entire fundigelical base.
Brachiator
There is a Kaiser healthcare facility in Pasadena with stairs in the front of the building. This area is never used. All the action takes place in the back.
At the rear of the building, there is an area just next to the double door entrance where people can drop off their loved ones with canes and walkers. This area is also used for drop off by Disabled access vans. Not sure if this area is used by ambulances. There is also a stop off area for dial a ride service vans.
The parking lot is not too far away and the first level has more spots for vehicles with disabled stickers.
Another leased facility in Glendale has massive stairs in the front of the building. Stupid. There is an elevator at the side when you enter, as the medical offices begin on the second floor.
Miss Bianca
@satby: I personally am pathetically grateful to Anne Laurie for wading through the Xitter swamp to find us the nutritious bits we can digest.
Miss Bianca
@Betty Cracker: Ah, lovely photo!
hedgehog mobile
@bjacques: /applause/
Ramalama
@Suzanne: I really love that term, “monumental stairs.” Visiting an in-law in France (near the border to Spain) I encountered the weirdest stair-elevator combo. We had to walk three stairs – no matter what floor we were on – in order to use the cramped/crammed elevator. I never asked how anyone moved furniture or dealt with wheelchairs. There were a number of elderly residents, too.
Maybe they were all made stronger by the stairs (and other things like incredible produce)?
PS My Kindle fire auto corrects worse than Apple products.
brantl
, If someone creates a “Douchebag of the Century Award” , how far into the century would we need to get before we can give it to Melon Husk?
sab
@Suzanne: And the front door opens on the huge pointless atriums, with the elevators off in the distance.
I have been dealing with this a lot over the last fifteen years with two elderly parents and a husband rapidly approaching disability. Every doctors appointment is a logistical nightmare
And what happens to your car parked temporarily at the front door while you get your not very nimble family member safely inside so that you can return to park your car where it belongs.
I have never seen a valet parking service at a hospital.
suzanne
@CaseyL:
Usually, yes. But the building owner can program the system however they want.
You are right that it makes it difficult if you change your mind. I have also seen people get confused if they piggyback and just enter the cab without pressing the call button. Then they get dropped off on a floor they didn’t intend.
The data in general shows that these systems do shorten trip times significantly, tho. Without adding cabs. They’re especially effective in office buildings, where most of the users are habituated to it. And the computer system is relatively cheap. So I think you’ll see a lot of these in the future.
suzanne
@sab: You are right that atria are often large, but usually that’s because they’re holding functions like waiting, wayfinding, coffee shop, security, etc. It’s usually seen as part of being welcoming. I agree that it can be a lot of steps. We always try to put the elevators in an easily-seen spot, but there’s a lot of constraints. Especially in converted buildings.
Subsole
@ColoradoGuy:
His face is melting because hate ages you.
Look at Alex Jones. Or Rush Limbaugh. All of these right-wing toolbars look at least a decade older than they are. Hell, Charlie Kirk and Stephen Crowder, too.
Subsole
@NotMax:
LOL.
More like ‘cordyceps’.
Brachiator
@sab:
Healthcare facilities are trying to deal with this. As I noted, Kaiser Pasadena has an area near the rear entrance for Disabled access vehicles and family drop-off near the rear entrance. The elevators are just inside.
The larger Kaiser facilities in Hollywood have tried to adapt some of the older buildings to provide better access.
I have also noticed that there are a variety of disabled access vans that people use to get to Kaiser. Some are specifically modified to accommodate walkers, wheelchairs or stretchers.
Subsole
@Ramalama:
Big Country is amazing. Jealous you got to see them. Bet they were positively electric, live.
Tenar Arha
@Soprano2:
Honestly if that’s how these boys and girls are being brought up, no wonder they’re all psychosexually stunted. They’re simultaneously told the sex drive of all boys and men is uncontrollable, and that girls a women are responsible for controlling it.
I mean I already know way too much personal information re: Mike Johnson’s son. His father put spyware on the computers and phones to prevent him from looking at porn, and publicly said that they’re each other’s “accountability partners.” So I’m guessing even his dreams, or involuntary moments become more fodder for criticism and catechism. Every yucky sock his mother or sister finds (bc undoubtedly “women do laundry”) is probably grounds for a “family discussion.” Blech.
Subsole
@Soprano2:
They see unmarried men as aberrant, at best. Outright weird or somehow lesser. You may even be suspected of having contracted a case of The Gay.
Men are supposed to marry and have kids. Failing to do so on either count is a severe emasculation. It reflects poorly on you that you cannot get a woman.
Don’t want kids or a wife? Tough shit. Men are supposed to have wives. The sooner the better. A woman was made to bear, and a man was made to sow.
The fact he doesn’t need to guard his chastity the way a woman does means the pressure to marry isn’t quite so ferocious as it is for women. But it is there. If you aren’t married by 30, the general assumption is that something is bad wrong with you.
Subsole
@lowtechcyclist:
For a while masturbation was one of those things they told you not to do, but didn’t really focus on. Because get real, folks.
Now? Now there’s all sorts of pseudoscience biobabble about not masturbating to increase your testosterone and improve your focus and channel your sexual energy into attaining worldly success without succumbing to the distractions of sex (y’know, kind of like the old court eunuchs).
It’s this kind of weird, crunchy-granola stealth prudishness.
Subsole
@Kay:
Correction: he is a manufacturing genius because he is Redpilled and Hyperbased*, and thus Alt-Right approved.
If he were a Lib, they’d be shredding him over his tree-hugging nonsense and using it as an explanation for his meltdown rather than disingenuously deploying it as bona fides to silence our criticism.
*This is 4chan meme gibberish (memerish?). If it means nothing to you, congrats. You have avoided severe psychic damage accrued from listening to arrant stupidity. Long may you persist in this blessed state.
Barry
@lowtechcyclist: “So the sexual ethos of American evangelicalism is that men can get away with pretty much anything as long as it’s heterosexual and not too kinky. Women, OTOH, are charged with guarding not only their own chastity but making sure they don’t inadvertently tempt the men in their lives.”
This can be summarized as the ideals of the system start with corruption, rather than an honest system getting corrupted.
Barry
@brantl: “, If someone creates a “Douchebag of the Century Award” , how far into the century would we need to get before we can give it to Melon Husk?”
Well, we’d have to wade through a list of multi-million victim mass murderers first.
Kay
@suzanne:
I love that there’s a word for the area of a building where you mill around and figure out where you’re going. If that’s what that is! :)
Subsole
@Kay:
In our facility, wayfinding is actually a way to direct emergency response.
Say I have a patient who codes/crashes. I call the rapid team and tell them I need help in room blue 25-16. They know which tower I am in, what floor I am on, and what section of that tower to head to.
It’s basically your address within the building.
Soprano2
@sab: They have one at one of our hospitals.
PST
On the subject of elevators, I used to work on the 78th floor of an 80-story building that had a system I haven’t seen discussed yet. This was way too long ago for the fancy computerized controls. The building had upper and lower lobbies connected by escalators, and the elevators had double-decker cabs. So if you wanted to go to an odd floor, you got on in the lower lobby, and if you wanted an even floor, you used the upper. The theory was that two floors worth of passengers could be discharged simultaneously. I’m not sure it helped all that much. What I really remember, though, was how loud the elevators screeched on windy Chicago days. The double height cabs accommodated sway less well than singles would, generating some truly worrisome cacophony.
catclub
I do not really understand the pile-on on Lewis.
He is a fabulous story teller. The stories he tells are interesting because of this and because he finds interesting things to write about. The fact that he was credulous over SFB is not a particular demerit in my view.
catclub
wasn’t there also a variant of tantric yoga that involved ‘not giving up your seed’ to the tantric energy sucking women.
suzanne
@Kay:
It refers to all of the elements of a building design that help you figure out where you are and where you’re going. It includes important spaces like entries and lobbies and stuff, directories and devices (can be things like RFID or GPS-like systems), signage, color palettes, orientation points, etc. All that stuff.
catclub
@Ramalama: We dealt with a similar hotel in Florence. I figure it was from pasting two slightly dissimilar buildings together, and only one had an elevator.
suzanne
@sab:
Almost every one of my clients for the last decade has had them (as well as almost every hospital I’ve been to in that time), and they’re almost always free (but will accept tips). I’m sure they’re less common at smaller community hospitals, tho.
evodevo
@lowtechcyclist: Yes, this…I have gotten this same info from the blog “Roll to Disbelieve” who is a former evangelical, and also from listening to fundie co-workers’ stories every day at work…Men can’t help it, and women must submit or get left in the dust…and adulterous men are excoriated nowhere near as much as the woman/women on both sides of the relationship…it’s patriarchy at its most toxic…
Captain C
@ColoradoGuy: Dead thread, but the smart money says ketamine. Also probably other things too, but that’s the big horse in the room*.
*For an illustration, check out this eye-meltingly bizarre video by Organ Donors. Or if you don’t want the, ah, experience, just remember ketamine is an animal tranquilizer since repurposed as a club or ‘smart’ drug.
evodevo
@Suzanne:
Thank you, fellow pedant…that “reign:rein” thingy drives me up the wall…since I am a horse person, it’s especially irritating
Subsole
@catclub:
There may have been. I am not sure, knowing nothing about tantra.
Frank Wilhoit
@Tony Jay: meanwhile “George” “Santos” ‘s publishers are trying to rush his memoir out in the fading seconds of his fifteenth minute, but they can’t figure out what name to put on the cover.
brantl
@Brachiator: complacent, not complaisant.
brantl
@Suzanne: I know you meant there to be a difference between the two phrases you’re comparing, but there isn’t.
brantl
@Barry: You’re talking about real, honest-to-Christ-villains, I’m talking about ineffective, coddled douchebags.
emjayay
@Baud: Again, this blog needs at a least thumbs up function.
emjayay
@lowtechcyclist: Same old tens of centuries old patriarchal misogynism, of course similar to Middle East Muslim culture. Hating gay people always goes along with it.
Art
Seems they, billionaire/entrepreneur/ innovators, seem to be getting to a certain point in their existences where it finally occurs to them, perhaps for the first time, that despite having won the money game they are still the immature dweebs they were when they decided to ‘show everyone’ by making lots of money. That they are still emotionally immature. Desperately seeking human contact and love. They built empires and fortunes when they really would have profited more by becoming better human beings. The sad part is they still could. But most won’t. That concept doesn’t blend well with the mystique of edge lord independence and power.