Sen. @CaptMarkKelly:
This is a disaster for women. This is all because of Donald Trump. Doctors could be thrown in jail for just doing their job. It's clear why this happened and Trump spiked the ball on this on Monday. He's claiming responsibility and he is responsible pic.twitter.com/dQiCrLEQGW
— Julia Hamelburg (@juliahamelburg) April 11, 2024
From the Washington Post, “Clock ticking, an Arizona abortion clinic copes with confusion and fear” [gift link]:
PHOENIX — The staff at the Camelback Family Planning abortion clinic has been through this before, legislative measures and court decisions threatening to block the care they provide to women ending a pregnancy. So they opened their doors as usual on Thursday morning, doctors and nurses steeled for the latest battle, the first appointments already in line and half a dozen protesters clustered just beyond the parking lot entrance of the tan stucco office building.
In a state that has suddenly become a key front in the national fight for reproductive rights, physician Gabrielle Goodrick declared herself ready: “We’re not closing.”
The clinic lobby began to fill with patients in their 20s, 30s and even 40s. Black, White, Latina and Native American. Some were accompanied by husbands and boyfriends. A few cried as they entered, escorted in by volunteers whose umbrellas sought to shield the women from the shouts and signs — “Babies lives matter” — of those abortion opponents…
Goodrick opened the facility in 1999 and seven years later moved it here, near the foot of Camelback Mountain, with a goal of serving as many women as possible in sprawling, booming Phoenix and the surrounding region. Since Roe v. Wade was overturned nationally two years ago, it and other providers in the state have weathered a temporary abortion ban, a prohibition on abortions beyond 15 weeks, restrictions on abortions for fetal anomalies and this week a state Supreme Court ruling that revived a near-total ban dating to 1864 — when Arizona was still only a U.S. territory.
The latest uncertainty, coming seven months before the presidential election, feels punitive. “We’re political pawns,” Goodrick, 58, said Thursday. But she and fellow doctor Barbara Zipkin are resolute. And Zipkin, who began her medical career before abortion was legalized by the Roe decision in 1973, is energized by seeing more and more women engage on the issue.
The clinic expanded shortly before the demise of Roe — when the patient queue at times stretched around the building, some women arriving hours before dawn, from as far as Dallas. The number of patients has only continued to increase, and the seven doctors on staff now do about 4,000 abortions a year. That’s roughly a third of the state’s total.
At one point, to skirt new restrictions, Goodrick arranged for patients to have an ultrasound in Arizona, get a prescription for medication abortion through a California telehealth appointment with Zipkin, who is licensed there, then have the pills mailed to post office boxes where patients could pick them up just over the state line.
The Arizona Supreme Court ruling on Tuesday again ratcheted up emotions; the justices signaled the ban could take effect before the end of the month. The only exception would be an abortion to save the life of the pregnant woman. Patients started calling, confused, alarmed, even frantic…
The clinic had 28 abortions scheduled: 18 surgical and 10 medication. Plus, because Arizona requires patients’ consent 24 hours in advance, 29 additional patients were expected for that. Most of the women live in Arizona, but one had traveled from Texas because abortion is already banned there.
On a counter near the front desk was a copy of the petition for a constitutional amendment that, if passed, would establish a fundamental right to an abortion up to the point of fetal viability. Supporters are still collecting signatures to make sure it goes on the November ballot. About a dozen patients had signed since Monday, prompted by staff and signs in the lobby and exam rooms reminding everyone to vote…
A recent poll of Arizona voters showed that only 8 percent back the pending total ban — crafted by a man hired to establish law and order in a Wild West territory. Vice President Harris, visiting a Tucson community center on Friday to campaign alongside abortion patients and providers, excoriated the court ruling to allow it.
“Here in Arizona, they have turned the clock back to the 1800s to take away a woman’s most fundamental right — the right to make decisions about her own body,” she told the crowd. “The overturning of Roe was without any question a seismic event. And this ban in Arizona is one of the biggest aftershocks yet.”
At Camelback, doctors acknowledge that creative workarounds probably won’t succeed this time if the 1864 law is not successfully appealed or blocked by the legislature, as some lawmakers have pledged. The state’s newly elected attorney general, a Democrat, says she won’t prosecute abortion providers under the ban. She has informed several that they probably have 60 days before the ban kicks in, while the proposed ballot measure, should it pass, wouldn’t take effect until Nov. 25.
During that window, Goodrick isn’t sure the attorney general will be able to protect clinics from prosecution by conservative county attorneys…
Team Biden-Harris' Gov. @maura_healey:
Trump did this. He owns this. He packed the court, he promised they would overturn Roe, and he did. Look at what it has unleashed. My heart aches for women in AZ. It's so draconian and misguided – we must hold him accountable pic.twitter.com/hmr415Kowe
— Julia Hamelburg (@juliahamelburg) April 9, 2024
So weird how they keep doing the things everyone in the media claims they wouldn't do! https://t.co/hKTNVkgWAF
— The okayest poster there is (@ok_post_guy) April 10, 2024
Kari Lake: Banning abortion is the defining issue of our time. We have an opportunity right now with Roe v. Wade being brought down, thankfully. What I want to do is change the minds of people who think abortion is, what do they call it, ‘health care’? pic.twitter.com/afgrGUHDnj
— DNC War Room (@DNCWarRoom) April 10, 2024
Arizona voter:
Less than 300 votes were the difference between having Mayes in office and a MAGA freak. Ignore the accelerationists and dead-enders trying to convince you that voting doesn’t matter. It does. https://t.co/UuwCUG23HP pic.twitter.com/kqEQQXk343
— Jean-Michel Connard ??? (@torriangray) April 9, 2024
'She is lying': AZ Dem Senate candidate @RepRubenGallego torches Kari Lake on abortion ban https://t.co/sZCh3rLczo pic.twitter.com/VjL0GMe6SF
— The Last Word (@TheLastWord) April 10, 2024
Four Directions Native Vote – Arizona and Nevada (Open Thread)
Baud
I want to change the minds of people who think Kari Lake is an outlier in the GOP.
bbleh
See this is SO UNFAIR, talking about all these “facts” and things Trump “actually said” and horrible things happening to women because of what he and other Republicans “actually did.”
This is why we need proper control over the librul media …
SpaceUnit
They’ll rue the day.
Anne Laurie
In my nastier fantasies, I want to do that using a big mallet, which is what it would probably take. But it would be wrong, that’s for sure, as a Republican president once said.
Jeffro
speaking of civil war…from Jamelle Bouie’s newsletter (will probably be in his NYT column in a day or two)
(which makes it kind of a waste of everyone’s time, since the answer for so many on the right is, “of course”. it’s not like they’re going to be dissuaded by a freakin’ movie)
Baud
@Anne Laurie:
As the saying goes, come sit by me.
bbleh
@Jeffro: it’s funny, but a surprisingly large fraction of my older-middle-aged salt-of-the-earth, pillar-of-their-community, law-abiding, middle-class Democratic friends are quietly going about obtaining handguns (if they didn’t have them already) and (re-)learning how properly to use and store them, just because … [sideways glance] … well, it can’t hurt.
I know the rightwing yokels are by and large dense as a box of rocks, but it’s far from clear to me that there is any widespread realization at all of the breadth and seriousness of the (quiet) reaction their craziness and violence have provoked.
VFX Lurker
@Jeffro: I have the chance to see a free screening of Civil War next Monday. What interests me most about it is director Alex Garland (28 Days Later, Ex Machina, Annihilation). His films either make me think, show me something amazing, or both.
I hope the film is good.
mrmoshpotato
@Anne Laurie: Large, heavy, Craftsman crescent (adjustable) wrench.
David 🏀Caitlin Clark🏀 Koch
A civil war would never happen if only because it would disrupt NFL football. People just aren’t going to put up with that.
Ghostbusters is a more realistic movie.
Hoppie
Ms. Hoppie had a very bad miscarriage while we were visiting Arizona many years ago. I don’t think she would have survived under this interpretation of the law. I HATE these assholes.
gwangung
@bbleh: Precisely. They’re thinking like the South did, and that their foes will immediately lie down and bow to their force.
The first few days will be bloody…but I don’t think 21st Century liberals will repeat the mistakes of Union generals.
Sister Golden Bear
@Anne Laurie: John Scalzi’s Mallet of Loving Correction.
bbleh
@David 🏀Caitlin Clark🏀 Koch: widespread organized clash-of-armies 1860’s-type rebellion probably not, as you say. but systematic armed intimidation and violence, Nazi Brownshirt style, you bet it could happen. or at least they might try.
Tony Jay
@Jeffro:
But their families and some of their friends might be. All that ‘just normal’ chat about saving the country by shooting those damn Lieberals gets less normal and a lot less acceptable when what you’re actually talking about is doing that horrible stuff those bad people in that movie did.
That how you want people looking at ya, Pops?
Sister Golden Bear
@bbleh: Our own Adam Silverman recommended the Mossberg 590 Nightstick shotgun.
Mike in NC
Well, we’re just shy of six months to go to the 2024 election. It would be great if Fat Bastard picked KKKari Lakkke to be his running mate. In any case, a convicted rapist and serial sexual predator will be leading the GQP effort to enact a national abortion ban.
Martin
It’s wild that there’s a single clinic in Arizona doing ⅓ of the state’s procedures. Mississippi I would expect that. I’ve got 5 providers that I know of within 2 miles of my house. I would not be shocked to learn there were a few I didn’t know about.
People keep saying his place is a hellhole and yet it seems pretty lovely.
Tony Jay
@David 🏀Caitlin Clark🏀 Koch:
Pffft. What are they going to do? Take up arms against it?
Martin
@mrmoshpotato: I put 2 people in the hospital with a 14″ Craftsman pipe wrench. If you are determined to go down that path, that’s my recommendation (any brand).
Martin
@Sister Golden Bear: Good lord, you’ll shoot your eye out with that, kid. You gotta be pretty practiced/strong to use a shotgun without a stock. Probably quite effective if you can handle it, though (which I don’t doubt Adam could). I doubt most people can which is why it’s an odd recommendation.
mrmoshpotato
@David 🏀Caitlin Clark🏀 Koch:
Civil war only Monday-Saturday.
Oh, and speaking of these Trump trash, civil war shitstains – Neal Brennan on gun humping
Sister Golden Bear
@Martin: Point taken. IIRC, Adam recommended it for home defense due to its small size making it more maneuverable in close quarters.
Baud
@Martin:
I don’t like the plot to A Christmas Story 2.
mrmoshpotato
@Martin:
Spunds like they were really monkeying around!
David 🏀Caitlin Clark🏀 Koch
Sunnydale hasn’t been the same since Buffy retired
Soprano2
@Martin: My husband used to have a bat with a plaque on it that said “Ballbuster 1/1/1983”. He used it at a convenience store to fend off 5 people who were trying to rob it. He did have some help. He was there because a friend’s husband worked there, so they all went to see him because it was New Year’s Eve. All the ones the police caught pled guilty, plus when hubby testified at the preliminary hearing he pointed out that one of them was watching the proceedings! He has had quite a colorful life. I’ve always wished he could tell a story at the Moth, he could probably win.
Ksmiami
@gwangung: this time, we’ll follow Generally Sherman’s wish. Leave none alive.
sab
@bbleh: Locally we just had another three year old killed by an unsecured gun on a table in a suburban garage. Who knows what happened? It ” fell off the table.” Why was it loaded with the safety off in a garage that children accessed?
I hate to see our side arming. Guns is guns and are dangerous. Their whole point is to kill.
ETA If our civil war ever breaks out the US military will decide it. The rest of us can never compete with their arms.
David 🏀Caitlin Clark🏀 Koch
@sab:
I would bet on Navy minus 7 points
Martin
@Sister Golden Bear: Oh, I’m sure it’s really good in that role, but I would think with that you’d need to spend a decent amount of time learning how to use it so the first shot didn’t send it flying into the dining room.
Martin
@mrmoshpotato: My bullies pushed me into traffic. Thankfully the driver who was able to stop before running me over (I bounced off the bumper a bit) was also good enough to get out of the car and pull me off of them before I killed them, because I likely would have. They were each substantially larger than me – I was a tiny kid and they were 2 years older than me.
Geminid
@Soprano2: My friend Debbie keeps a machete on the floor of her truck, between the driver’s seat and the door. Some friends got it for her in Mexico. They knew Debbie would appreciate the inscription:
schrodingers_cat
@sab: Agreed. I am not buying guns.
Jeffro
can relate, hint hint
also getting my rear in gear for a proper bug-out bag and set of ready emergency plans for the family (not really trumpov-related…more a function of reading several climate change-related novels the past couple of years)
but still
piratedan
Arizona may be like a lot of other places, some blue, some red and some purple. I think our military is the same, some peeps may throw down with the Fascists, I suspect a good many won’t. There’s quite a few military bases around the state, two or three in the Phoenix Area alone, plus a significant AF base in Tucson, a military intelligence outfit in SE AZ and I believe that there’s still the proving ground and Marine base out by Yuma. Hard to say where exactly which crazy outpost would spill over, as most of the real dedicated loons are in places like Yavapai and Mohave counties, but you could find enclaves scattered throughout.
I could see a “March on the Capital” kind of crap and law enforcement being what it is, who’s to say exactly WHAT they would do. You could see state rebellions spring up in a bunch of places, Texas, Idaho, Mississippi and Wyoming seem the most likely suspects. Perhaps other places in the south as well, so I hope that someone is aware that these people (a smaller, significantly hardcore knot) are fully willing to go to the mattresses as they’ve been getting groomed by the Murdoch crew and AM Radio for decades now. I just have a steadily eroding faith that the FBI is up to the task these days, especially after the last decade.
Nukular Biskits
@Baud:
I have mentioned on a couple of occasions here that I’ve run for public office a couple of times and, on one run, I had someone who knew me very well tell me (paraphrasing here):
“Bo, I wish you the best of luck, I support what you’re doing and hope you win, … but you’re running as a Democrat and I’ll only vote Republican so I simply can’t vote for you.”
A lot of these folks are never going to vote for anything but a Republican, period. And given the GOP primaries in a lot of areas tends to elevate the most ridiculously regressive candidates to the top of their respective tickets, it’s not likely we’ll change the minds of many.
Suzanne
@Martin: I had an abortion in Tempe. That clinic probably does another 1/3 of the state’s volume. Arizona is weird. Over 60% of the state’s population is in the Phoenix metro, another 20% or so is in Tucson, and the remaining people are…. everywhere else.
Martin
@Nukular Biskits: Don’t need many in Arizona.
Nukular Biskits
@Martin:
One can definitely hope.
Kelly
@Sister Golden Bear: I looked it up after Adam’s recommendation. Aiming looks tricky. It’s available with a laser sight in 12 ga and 20 ga which could help. Never used a laser sight. They look cool in movies.
I haven’t been in a fight since grade school. I’m not very dangerous.I have a Maglight flashlight within easy reach in my car. My cousin, a cop, recommended it 30 years ago as a good flashlight that also makes a decent club in a pinch.
mrmoshpotato
@Martin: Glad the driver wasn’t distracted.
sab
@sab: We do keep a couple of baseball bats. My husband almost clobbered his son’s best friend with one when the drunk kid was climbing in through the wrong window to visit stepson, who wasn’t even at home. The window he came through was my office window. Fortunately our german shepherd recognized him in time.
bbleh
@sab: #1, as noted in my comment, it’s important not only to know how to use guns properly but also how to store them properly. one shouldn’t have a gun without a gun safe or something similar. #2, the military won’t get involved in low-level “civilian” matters. thuggery and intimidation, even widespread, wouldn’t justify use of the military domestically, especially if that thuggery and intimidation had the blessing of the elected political leadership. and #3, even in the event the military DID become involved, I agree it would be dispositive, UNLESS the military itself were to fracture along political lines, which after all occurred in the 1860s, in which case it would NOT be dispositive because it would be fighting itself same as everyone else.
Geminid
@Martin: And there are a lot of Independents in Arizona, about a third of the electorate.
I read an interesting poll of the Arizona Senate race, way back in February of 2023. It was done by Phoenix-based OH Predictives and polled opinion on Ruben Gallego (D), Kyrsten Sinema (I) and 4 potential Republican candidates. There were various two-and three-way matchups and Gallego looked fairly good in all of them.
I thought he looked very good on the “Favorable/Unfavorable” question. He was the only one above water, at 6% net positive. Doug Ducey and Kyrsten Sinema came in around negative 12%, and Kari Lake was way down at minus 22%. That was only 2 points better than that wierdo Blake Masters.
Jeffro
@sab: this
a bat by the front door and a sap by the bed is all anyone realistically needs.
the great thing is: if it’s someone you know and love who’s up and running around in the middle of night, you can always check your swing…you can’t call a bullet back
Jeffro
@Geminid: Lake is pretty darned toxic at this point (and rightly so)
Knock on wood, this race is ours to win!
RaflW
@bbleh: #2 is my concern. I haven’t shot a gun in over 40 years, when just once I went to a shooting range with a friend and his dad. It was kind of cool, and a little scary. So if I did decide to purchase a gun, I’d want to learn to use it with quality instruction* and practice. And have an effective method to secure the gun.
But I do worry that, as an openly gay couple with a partner who speaks publicly about the risks of authoritarianism, that well before we’d get to military involvement, that armed private actors intent on harm could find us, if things go downhill the way them might (and, of course, the first best step is to win in November and not get all accelerationist).
I have no illusions I’d win/survive in that situation. But I’d want to make it clear I fought back on the way out.
* Are there any tips for finding instruction that isn’t done by conservative gun lovers that I’d likely be repulsed by?
raven
@RaflW:
* Are there any tips for finding instruction that isn’t done by conservative gun lovers that I’d likely be repulsed by?
I’d check with friends.
Citizen Alan
@bbleh: The closest I ever came to buying a gun was in the summer of 2020, when I was living in Mississippi and there was no Covid vaccine on the horizon, and there were constant stories about MAGA freaks provoking physical confrontations with people who wore masks in public. Had I not gone to Queens for my LLM and instead been forced to stay there, I’d have bought a handgun and carried it with me every time I went to Walmart in case one of them tried to start some shit. And I would not have hesitated to use it. Stand your ground, and all that.
bbleh
@RaflW: @raven: I don’t know where you live, but in most places the local police are a good place to start if you’re inquiring about instruction in proper gun handling and gun safety. They’re pretty much in favor of that no matter who you are. And they in turn can direct you to courses and facilities. And who cares if the instructor is wearing a MAGA hat (they almost certainly won’t be). You’re there to learn how to handle and store a weapon, period. And I would add, to find a place or a means to practice. It’s not enough just to use a gun once; like anything else, you need to do it reasonably often to be comfortable with it, in case dog forbid you actually need to use it.
Citizen Alan
@VFX Lurker: TBH, the whole premise of the movie pisses me off. The nation is as divided as it’s been in my lifetime with one of our two political parties becoming overtly fascist before our eyes. But (from what I’ve seen) this cowardly movie does not dare identify the factions of its fictional civil war or align them with any contemporary political movements. I mean, seriously, in what fantasy universe are California and Texas on the same side of any civil war?!? This sanitized, non-ideological, non-partisan movie allows everyone to ignore the fact that, in real life, everyone who is loudly talking about secession today votes for the same god-damned party.
Omnes Omnibus
Most of you should not have a gun for self-defense. If you have not thought through the consequences of pointing a weapon at another human being and pulling the trigger, you should not have a gun for self-defense. If you have thought about it and think that you can pull the trigger in a moment of stress without training, you should not have a gun for self-defense. If you have not thought about how likely it is that the weapon can be taken from you and used against you, you should not have a gun for self-defense. If you are remotely excited by the idea of having a gun for self-defense, you should not have a gun for self-defense. I could go on and on.
I own three long guns. Two shotguns and a rifle. I thought long and hard about whether or not I could use a gun to take a life before I joined the army. I am capable of a being a pretty good shot when I am in practice. I do not keep any of the guns I own for self-defense.
MagdaInBlack
@Omnes Omnibus: Thank you.
Jay
@RaflW:
see if there is a chapter of the John Brown Gun Club in your area.
sab
@Jeffro: So much this. With an actual gun that kid would have been dead. Our city is slightly but not very dangerous. Us arming just makes our immediate neighbors more in danger without helping us or the community at all.
ETA Not sure if husband would have escaped prosecution, but he would have felt terrible about killing kid , whose parents would have been outraged and devastated
ETA Kid is now a nice 40 yo construction worker. Whenever I see him I think “Yikes! My husband nearly killed you.” Kid knows but seems to have forgotten.
mrmoshpotato
@Omnes Omnibus: Exactly.
Melancholy Jaques
I’m not expecting any civil war or even widespread Jan 6th style riots. What I am concerned about is that Trump, the Republicans, FOX, and right-wing radio are going to keep fanning the flames until we get another Timothy McVeigh.
wjca
@Omnes Omnibus:
As a general rule, those who think that they need a gun “for self defense” are people who shouldn’t have one.
Other reasons may be OK, but that one is IMHO a red flag. Those of us who know how to use a gun properly mostly don’t see the world as terrifying enough to think we need one for that.
Sister Golden Bear
@RaflW: As someone who’s both “visibly trans” and out and proud — I fly the Progressive Pride flag at my house — I hear you. (And, no taking down the flag is not an option, I refuse to be intimidated back in the closet.)
The main reasons I haven’t bought a shotgun for home defense is that I don’t have the time or money to become highly proficient with it, and (more importantly) dense suburban lots mean I’m highly conscious that there’s potential innocents behind any target I might need to point a shotgun at.
Jackie
This thread is the most un- Balloon-Juice like thread I’ve ever read. I feel like I’m reading a RWNJ post on the best weapons to use for???
See you tomorrow.
Melancholy Jaques
@Sister Golden Bear:
The main reason I have never bought a gun is the reason stated by @Omnes Omnibus: above. I have never considered the consequences of using one on a human being. It’s not something that I feel that I’m prepared to do. Owning a gun would not make me feel safer, it would give me one more thing to be worried about.
sab
I am not a New Yorker, so I always found Caleb Carr’s books incredibly boring. I was never sorry about the victim and I did not care what made the detective tick or eventually even the victim.
He is intersteing about the city. But mostly the city is about people, and he is deeply bored by them.
Basically I never cared at all about his victim, his detectives, or any of the surrounding people. His characters are beyond boring. Period. That is my opinion of his books.
sab
@sab: But he just wrote a book about his life with his cat. That must be intersting.
Sister Golden Bear
@Melancholy Jaques: I thought long and hard about whether I could go through with shooting, and possibly killing, someone. I decided that I could if I felt my I was in danger of being killed or crippled. Not willing to become yet another trans person listed as the victim of a hate murder during Transgender Day of Remembrance.
Hoppie
When I was 11 my recently widowed Dad took a gun to show off to his new girlfriend. The sequence of events is unclear, but he ended up paraplegic and no one was charged. I will never NEVER ever get anywhere near a F**cking Go**amn gun, assholes. Take them out and SHOVE them all fu**ers.
Hoppie
Damn, killed a thread again. Superpower, I guess.
rikyrah
@Suzanne:
Illinois is a very large state-land mass wise. Takes 7 hours to drive from the northern tip to the southern tip.
and a good 3-4 hours from east to west
But 9 of 12 million people live in Chicago and the collar counties. in the northeast corner of the State.
And, we pay for the rest of state, which are moochers, the same way that Red States mooch off Blue States
Without Chicago and the collar counties, Illinois would be Iowa.😒😒😒
Still have to explain to those whose lives we subsidize that cows, corn and soybeans can’t vote😒😒
rikyrah
@sab:
I have lived in urban areas my entire life. Still not at the point where I want a gun.
A taser? Maybe.
wjca
One suspects that the cows might surprise them, and not in a pleasant way. For them. Although corn might be more problematic, being particularly highly subsidized.
NotMax
@wjca
Cows with guns?
;)
Glidwrith
@sab: I once pointed out to a friend that was considering buying a gun, because one of his buddies had one (in order to kill other people if civilization collapsed and he could take their stuff):
He’s got a gun, right?
Yeah.
You’ve got a gun, right?
Yeah.
What neither of you have is a FORCE FIELD.
It hadn’t occurred to him that just because you have a gun, the other person can still shoot back and kill you.
Glidwrith
The thread may be dead, but I will make one practical recommendation:
If you’re really interested in self-defense, enroll in a self-defense course. Any local university should have an instructor or be able to recommend one. Weapons can always be taken away from you, but the ability to break a hold or how to do a joint lock can get you out of a lot of trouble.
Once you have been taught, practice, practice, practice, so that you have enough muscle memory to do something if you must.
prostratedragon
@Sister Golden Bear: Known to some as the Holy Bludgeon of Instant Enlightenment. Well, to me, anyway.
Anne Laurie
@Citizen Alan: Wired‘s review of Civil War:
Alex Garland’s Civil War Plays Both Sides
NotMax
@Anne Laurie
Ugh. Sounds like a ghastly cinematic slumgullion.
Geminid
I see that Trump endorsed Pennsylvania Senate candidate David McCormick at his rally last night, but McCormick did not even attend the event. Sad.
lowtechcyclist
Wired’s reviewer, David Gilbert, really calls it out:
(Insert particularly bitter laughter here.)
Swell. Just swell.
The Thin Black Duke
@lowtechcyclist: Wanna bet Civil War cleans up at the Oscars next year?
lowtechcyclist
@The Thin Black Duke:
Lord, I hope not. Sounds like the best thing would be if it was one of those movies that disappears without a trace.
sab
@sab: In our defense, this happened at 3 a.m., shortly after the bars close when we were soundly asleep in our home. Then an intruder came crawling thru our window.
Baud
@lowtechcyclist:
Enough is enough. Biden needs to fire him NOW.
lowtechcyclist
Getting back to an earlier discussion in this thread, I’ve spent seventy years on this planet and I’ve long realized that I’ve never once been in a situation that would have had a better outcome if I’d been in possession of a gun. And been in a few that would have likely turned out much worse. And I don’t want to devote the time and attention it would take to become proficient with a gun anyway, so I’m not going down that path.
Our kitchen knives and my pipe wrench will remain the most deadly weapons in this house. If there comes a time when they don’t suffice, then that’s just the way it goes.
lowtechcyclist
@Baud:
:-D
AM in NC
@bbleh: I agree. None of my middle-aged women friends have gotten a gun. But we have all talked about how we know enough chemistry (or will re-learn enough chemistry) to get some serious shit fucked up. And we invisible, sweet, middle-aged, volunteer ladies are just the people to effectively fuck people up, because they won’t see us coming.
I don’t want to hurt ANYONE; it’s why I hate the cruel right-wingers so much. But if they start/increase the serious violence? We aren’t going to sit by. And I think the rightwing “cosplayers” are going to be shocked when they see who all is smacking back violently against them.
Matt McIrvin
@Jeffro: If Truffaut was right about war films, the film will actually make many people decide they do want that.
Miss Bianca
@Jay:
Is this a real thing?
Miss Bianca
@wjca:
I’m torn. I have inherited a revolver which would actually be quite effective for the only use I would have for it – plinking rattlers on my property that get too close to the house and dogs. So I have thought about getting myself trained in marksmanship and proper gun-handling procedure. But then I would actually need to carry it to use it, and I’m still squeamish about that, so…it still sits where I placed it for safekeeping.
wjca
I think I’ll stick with the Holy Handgrenade of Antioch.
wjca
If you’ve got it, you really should at least get trained in proper handling procedure. And, if you’re going to try plinking rattlers, marksmanship.
No reason you would then have to carry it, and more than you do now. But you’d be safer than you are now without training. And so would anyone else who happened to be in the vicinity.
Pappenheimer
@wjca: There is the Cudgel of St Cuthbert…