The Republican giveaway to the rich tax bill isn’t popular:
New Hart Research polling finds the Republican tax bill is very unpopular in Sen. Bob Corker’s home state of Tennessee (30% approve), Sen. John McCain’s and Sen. Jeff Flake’s home state of Arizona (26% approve) and Sen. Susan Collins’ home state of Maine (22% approve).
The average of 22, 26, and 30 is very close to one of our favorite numbers.
Also too, I got a request to do more fundraising for Doug Jones. Here you go.
jackmac
Of course it’s not popular, but they’re still going to try to ram it through.
Yutsano
@jackmac: Yup. They need to pass SOMETHING. Anything. Fuck norms, rules, votes. They need 50 so Pence can break the tie. All their sweet sweet oligarch cash is riding on that.
TenguPhule
@Yutsano:
Yep, all the middle class tax cuts are temporary.
All the corporate tax cuts are permanent.
They’re not even trying to hide what they’re doing at this point.
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@Yutsano:
Is there a record for how many times a single VP has had to break ties in the Senate? This isn’t normal. You shouldn’t constantly need the fucking VP to break ties like this. It’s a sign that your agenda is deeply unpopular and divisive.
Calouste
Corker and Flake are retiring, and McCain will most likely be dead before he is up for election again. I expect the first two to value a RWNJ sinecure in retirement over the concerns of the people in their state.
Kraux Pas
I recently saw the tax bill referred to as a “tax on the future.”
Let’s see; it lowers taxes on millionaires and partially offsets the costs by raising them on low-income workers, it is likely to raise the value of the dollar and certain to lower the costs of investing offshore which will push jobs out of the country, and we will eventually have to pay for the services the government provides.
I like this phrase for this or any tax-cut
billbull the Republicans propose. It’s pithy and adequately scary for anyone with a little foresight.What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?
I get that they think they have to pass this tax bill because they have to pass something or their donors go home, but…have they considered what happens to their voter base if they pass this bill and a significant chunk of it sees their taxes go up after a couple decades spent marinating in small government anti-tax propaganda? There aren’t enough GOP mega-donors to win an election for dog catcher. In the end, they need votes to get elected. The “representative Paul Ryan voted to raise taxes on millions of middle class families” ad writes itself, and seems like it would appeal to the very sensitivities of folks who generally vote for him.
Mike J
@What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?: Has it hurt Republicans in Kansas?
Calouste
@What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?: There’s also the abolition of the deduction of state taxes. GOP reps in states with income taxes should be hit hard with that they voted to raise taxes on the residents of that state, to give it to less fiscally responsible states.
Yutsano
@What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?:
That ad is ready and waiting, since the House already passed their version. It really doesn’t matter now if the Senate does for the purposes of House political ads. This NEEDS to be beaten into every House Republican election. They voted to increase taxes to give tax cuts to the rich. Short and simple. And then let THEM explain it.
@Mike J: Sort of. It allowed more moderate Republicans to take over the legislature. So they can’t get over the tribalism part but they can at least be somewhat pragmatic.
danielx
I can see a commercial with assholes boarding a private jet and laughing over the rubes who voted for those who gave the tax break on said jet.
chris
@What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?:
You mean the same people who swore their taxes went up (they didn’t) under Obama?
Mnemosyne
@Mike J:
Republicans in Kansas actually held a press conference saying their tax policy had been a disaster and begging Congress not to pass this.
So, yes, Kansas Republicans are smarter than Congressional Republicans.
Kraux Pas
@Calouste: Yeah, they’re screwing people in lots of arcane ways. How about their caps on deductions for school supplies and graduate studies?
Who ever said Rs can’t put effort into policy? As long as the policy is “screw the poor” they’ll do their research and give it a 110% effort.
danielx
The 27 percent rear their ugly heads. Again.
mikefromArlington
yay for 29!
Redshift
Weird how no one is talking about Grover Norquist and their pledge never to raise taxes, not ever ever ever, huh?
RepubAnon
@danielx: Yes, and a series of “Muffy and Buffy” ads, with two clueless trust fund kids who never pay taxes, and don’t understand why their servants do pay taxes.
sharl
Well, SOME people like the idea of the tax change legislation, or at least don’t mind it:
Roy Moore Super PAC Financier Finally Revealed: Newly released documents show Illinois businessman Richard Uihlein is the moneyman behind a group seeking to send Moore to the Senate
Batten Down the Hatches
Done. Not a huge donation but it feels good to do something.
Thanks for the frequent reminders.
schrodingers_cat
I have a modest proposition, we stop calling Rs, GOP. There is nothing grand about their party and the D party is older than the R party.
JoeyJoeJoe Junior Shabadoo
Kansas Republicans did lose a State Senate seat and a dozen State House seats in 2016 even as Hillary was losing badly, so there has been some effect
Brachiator
@Mike J:
@Mnemosyne:
The article on the impact of tax cuts in Kansas is very instructive, because it reveals the primary intent of Congressional Republicans.
The GOP leadership and their plutocrat masters don’t care about growing the economy. The plutocrats are plenty rich already and the tax cuts will just shovel more to them. And the middle class will be strangled, but they can be ignored and fed propaganda from the Clear Channel/Meredith/Fox/Sinclair syndicate. But the federal government will become smaller and less effective. And that will make the Koch Brothers and their ilk very happy.
And it’s interesting to see that Kansas Governor Brownback never backed down from the state’s disaster and is moving on to become the United States Ambassador-at-Large for International Religious Freedom.
Another Scott
Donated. Thanks DougJ!
Cheers,
Scott.
Schlemazel
@What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?:
you are assuming their voters will notice, I am not convinced. FOr example, they were positive their taxes went up under Obama when they did no such thing. This is faith-based voting.
geg6
Apparently, Project Veritas is at it again (though the news flash on my phone does not say who the woman works for). Someone approached the WaPo with a very dramatic story about Roy Moore that turned out to be false. Seems to one of their sting ops.
Idiots think Marty Barron is as stupid as they are.
Amir Khalid
I have heard of only two Republican arguments being advanced for this ghastly tax package: Trump needs a legislative win, any win at all, to avoid looking ineffectual as President; and Congressional Republicans need a win to appease their billionaire donors. Not a peep about what’s good for the nation, which according to every objective analysis will be harmed both immediately and in the long run.
geg6
@Mnemosyne:
Apparently, some Oklahoma lawmakers are telling their people the same thing. If there are two states that should know best that this trickle down shit is really tinkle on, it’s Kansas and Oklahoma.
TenguPhule
@? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?:
Yes.
Pence is currently holding it.
Schlemazel
@Brachiator:
Never forget David Stockman. He was St. Ronalds first budget director who went to DC believing in trickle-down bullshit. He quit very early and wrote a book that should be required for its description of what he learned in DC. They are not interested in tax cuts per se, they never believed laffer, never thought trickle-down works. They wanted one thing & one thing only – to destroy the Federal government so that it was incapable of interfering with anything every again. The main cause was racism but health and safety issues were high on the list. They are very close to achieving their goal, may actually have done it we will see
Schlemazel
@Amir Khalid:
Amir, I know you are not on Bali but are you seeing any impact from the volcano? Good information id hard to find
JCJ
Why is one of the categories for this “cat blogging”? Did you mean to hit “C.R.E.A.M.”?
Mnemosyne
@geg6:
Because they make shit up about their enemies, they assume that we do the exact same thing, so therefore all of the allegations against Trump and Moore must be fake.
It must be very weird to live in a world where evidence doesn’t actually prove anything.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Yutsano:
Two things: When you’re explaining you’re losing.
and
Explanations on satisfy the giver.
sharl
Hahaha, the story was just posted by WaPo. One of
Wile E. Coyote’sJames O’Keefe’s minions was thoroughly busted.Adam L Silverman
@geg6: Here you go:
Another Scott
@Schlemazel: Reuters has a live cam feed from the volcano.
Cheers,
Scott.
rikyrah
The crazyfication factor is real.
Schlemazel
@Another Scott:
cool! I did not know that. OTOH, it does not show me what the locals are having to put up with
TenguPhule
@Kraux Pas:
Actually the opposite.
TenguPhule
@Adam L Silverman: I believe the woman in this case needs to be severely punished.
Adam L Silverman
TenguPhule
@Amir Khalid:
The Republican boilerplate of “It will create jobs and decrease the deficits, eventually” is getting entangled with “Don’t worry, the temporary tax cuts will be made permanent” and the mixed messaging is starting to permeate to even the media’s dull awareness.
TenguPhule
@Mnemosyne:
Low bar.
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@TenguPhule:
Punished how?
TenguPhule
@What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?:
They blame the Democrats.
Its not coincidence that the worst parts of their bill take place five years from now.
They’re presuming Democrats will be in power and ready to take all the blame.
Adam L Silverman
@TenguPhule: You’ll have to peddle your punishment fantasy scenarios somewhere else. Or wait till after 10 PM EST to do it here.//
Adam L Silverman
@? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?: You just had to ask, didn’t you?
TenguPhule
@? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?: Let the punishment fit the crime. Complete public outing of every possibly available detail to the point that going forward, no judge or jury in any court in the land will ever believe her testimony ever again. i want her public shaming to the point where her own relatives disavow her.
And that doesn’t even begin to describe what I want done to O’Keefe.
Another Scott
@Schlemazel: True, but it just seems to be (mostly) steam at the moment. Thankfully.
The SCMP has this AP story with more details.
Cheers,
Scott.
Duane
@Kraux Pas: I see the so very smart Repubs tacked “and Jobs Act” onto the tax scam’s title. What a blatant, deceitful attempt to mislead. They should add ” and Magical Unicorn Act, Too.” They don’t even try to hide their disdain for us any longer.
different-church-lady
@TenguPhule: She is a bad person and she must pay the penalty. And here in Castle Anthrax, we have but one punishment…
MisterForkbeard
@What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?: Their voter base won’t care.
First, as TenguPhile says they’ve timed it so that the results are in the future and can be obfuscated and blamed on the Democrats.
Second, even if the tax bill hit IMMEDIATELY they still wouldn’t care or believe it. I saw an article about a year ago that involved journalists talking to a bunch of republicans and shown (over and over!) that Obama had lowered their taxes, even going so far as showing them their own tax returns from the past several years and watching the tax rate go down. None of them believed it was real. Likewise, these are the same people that believe Trump is really Christian and that he’s reformed from his p*ssy-grabbing days… or that the tape was faked to begin with. They’re all brainwashed.
different-church-lady
@Duane: “RAT POISON and Jobs Act”
Adam L Silverman
@Another Scott:
Good for the complexion. Opens up the pores!
TenguPhule
@Adam L Silverman:
And melts the skin.
MisterForkbeard
@Adam L Silverman: So complete surprise, the Republicans are grasping at straws to come up with any reason at all to reassure voters they can vote for Roy Moore. I’m not sure why they bothered – the rank and file are already convinced the allegations have been disproven or show that he ‘honorably’ asked permission from the parents of legal teens to date them.
They just don’t care.
Adam L Silverman
@different-church-lady: Here you go:
Also, a funny allusion to it here:
Adam L Silverman
@TenguPhule: Read the directions: do not directly apply the volcanic steam! Indirect application only!
sharl
The 30-second Doug Jones ad attached to this tweet is awesome:
I hope there are enough voting-eligible Alabama folks that agree.
Timurid
In other news, there’s apparently kompromat on Keith Olbermann…
James E. Powell
@chris:
Exactly. By next fall, FOX & Rush will have them all believing that Trump cut their taxes into half of what they would have been under Obama. CNN & the NYT will give the “some say” and “both sides” treatment so no one but the already committed will have any idea what the truth is. Republicans are very good at this because they all tell the same lies over and over. Democratic countermeasures have all failed because Democrats are unfocused and unwilling to explain why taxes need to be paid.
Adam L Silverman
@sharl: Here you go:
Another Scott
@Timurid: As usual with Twitter, it raises more questions than it answers.
Twitter is horrible for conveying actually useful information to normal people. :-/
Cheers,
Scott.
Adam L Silverman
@Timurid: Well he did have an apartment he owned in Trump Tower…
But here’s what he actually had to say:
sharl
On the topic of the latest O’Keefe sleaze, THIS is why I always want to know where the money is coming from for shit like this!
I think Atrios is likely correct, though I would love-LOVE-LOVE to have captured recordings of these secret gazillionaire backers providing targeting instructions to the pond scum they hire for these hit jobs, like O’Keefe.
A boy can dream…
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Timurid: Oh no, they got to Olbermann.
TenguPhule
@sharl: The intelligence we could get from O’Keefe about domestic threats to democracy more then justifies sending him on a one way trip to a CIA blacksite.
sharl
@Adam L Silverman: Thanks so much Adam. He really is an excellent person, and I hope enough Alabamans realize that on Election Day.
Timurid
@Adam L Silverman:
I was making a joke because both the decision and the explanation for it are so odd (if he thinks the Pocahontas thing is what ends Trump he’s insane).
TenguPhule
@Adam L Silverman: You missed the Quest for the Holy Grail reference?
Calouste
@Adam L Silverman: Some Alabamans think 49th is one place too high.
Duane
@different-church-lady: Obama never came out and said,”Please don’t eat rat poison.” Another thing he didn’t do for us.
Brachiator
@Schlemazel:
They remind me of Dick Cheney, who believed that the brute force method of creating your own reality actually works. It is simply destructive.
The odd thing is that Trump’s biggest supporters are willing to go down with this failed effort. They will believe despite it all that Trump really is trying to make America great again. And knowing Trump, he will blame those he duped for not being strong enough or smart enough or good enough to be worthy of him.
Adam L Silverman
@TenguPhule: I got the reference.
debbie
Say what you will about the NYT, and I know you will, David Leonhardt was on NPR’s On Point today. The subject was the tax plan. Leonhardt called bullshit on Senators like Rob Portman and was otherwise right on target.
Adam L Silverman
@Calouste: Damn Mississippi always holding them back from getting the record!
Brachiator
@TenguPhule:
I don’t think you can blame the “media’s dull awareness.” News stories have been pretty clear about the impact of this crappy tax bill.
The GOP is rushing to get things done in the dead of night and in secret. Even rank and file Republicans in Congress did not see what the committees were doing until they were done.
But the GOP can thank the distraction of the holidays and the fact that most people are not going to pay attention to stories about economics, even when it affects them.
On top of this, you can see the GOP claiming that the CBO lies or is inaccurate, or that any cautions or negative assessments are just Democratic Party fake news.
Now you can blame lazy and stupid pundits, as opposed to straight reporting. I caught a bit of the ABC Sunday pundit show and Cokie Roberts and others speculated whether the GOP would be able to get things done by Christmas, but never said anything about the lack of merit in the tax bill.
different-church-lady
@Another Scott:
Which is exactly why everyone uses it — people will always choose the worst technology for what they want to accomplish.
different-church-lady
@Adam L Silverman: I thought Keith was smarter than that.
Adam L Silverman
@different-church-lady: Perhaps.
p.a.
Those 20% numbers are impressive given the media’s innumeracy and obsequious channeling of strong daddy rethug bullshit. Somehow the dem’s messaging is getting through the filters.
Spaniel
@Mnemosyne:
… and riddle me this? Who is the Speaker of the House that worked for Sen. Brownback a few years ago is a force to push this tax across?
Duane
@Brachiator: That say it all. Got plenty of money, want more, don’t give a damn about the rest.
Evil is the truth.
Dupe70
@? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?: Especially when you have a 2 vote margin.