ABC, which is owned by Disney, has cancelled Roseanne.
ABC on cancelling 'Roseanne':
"Roseanne's Twitter statement is abhorrent, repugnant and inconsistent with our values, and we have decided to cancel her show."
— NBC News (@NBCNews) May 29, 2018
ABC's cancellation of 'Roseanne' comes after Roseanne Barr compared a former Obama adviser to an ape, and promoted false conspiracy theories about George Soros and Chelsea Clinton, including falsely accusing Soros of being a Nazi. https://t.co/n9ALtDCmgn
— NBC News (@NBCNews) May 29, 2018
Updated at 3:10 PM EDT
Disney CEO Bob Iger makes his own statement:
From Channing Dungey, President of ABC Entertainment: "Roseanne's Twitter statement is abhorrent, repugnant and inconsistent with our values, and we have decided to cancel her show."
There was only one thing to do here, and that was the right thing.— Robert Iger (@RobertIger) May 29, 2018
Good riddance to bad garbage!
Prepare for incoming tweetstorm from 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
Open thread.
guachi
I just posted this in the previous thread but I’ll put this here and delete the old comment:
We have Fox on at work (eww!!!) and they flatly state Roseanne’s tweet was racist. “ABC Cancels ‘Roseanne’ after Racist Tweet”. Even Fox isn’t playing.
Frankensteinbeck
I am shocked, SHOCKED, to find out a vocal Trump supporter is racist!
I totally missed her tweets. What did she say?
Betty Cracker
Good to know there are still some lines that can’t be crossed, even with a racist dickhead in the White House.
Irony Abounds
Oh great, now James Woods will be whining about intolerant liberal Hollywood.
germy
Irony Abounds
@Frankensteinbeck: She said if the Muslim Brotherhood and The Planet of the Apes had a baby it would be Valerie Jarrett.
Mnemosyne
She was able to get away with the “Holocaust cookies” photo shoot because (a) it happened almost 10 years ago and (b) she’s Jewish. But racist and anti-Semitic tweets in real time? Nah.
Mingobat (f/k/a Karen in GA)
Surprise, racist Trump lover is racist. WTF did ABC think was going to happen?
And I know I shouldn’t blame Sara Gilbert, John Goodman, or anyone else involved in the show, but they knew who they were signing on with, and they did it anyway.
Cue Tim Allen whining in 3… 2…
MattF
I was about to post that Roseanne will crater and implode all on her own, but it looks like I’ve been OBE’d.
TenguPhule
What happened to the blog formerly known as Database Error?
JPL
Who canceled the blog.
Mike J
top tweets:
jay smooth @jsmooth995
Cable news pretty psyched right now that they already had all the black pundits on deck for Starbucks
Thers @Thers
I guess the Roseane experiment really DID show us something about the hearts and minds of Trump voters – give ’em millions of dollars and a teevee show, and they’ll STILL prefer racism
Merriam-Webster @MerriamWebster
‘Canceled’ and ‘cancelled’ are both standard variants.
Roberto Joel Polanco @RJPoBoy
lmao the show lasted about 3 Scaramuccis
japa21
Was there a problem with BJ? I haven’t been able to connect for a while. Just did.
Alain the site fixer
Sorry site was down…I hope to learn what ate-ed all our memory. Should be ok for now.
Baud
She can always get a job with the NYT.
oatler.
I know “The Talk” is pre-recorded, but I’d like see Sara Gilbert address this news (it’s on in my area an hour from now).
James Powell
We really have to put an end to the press/media practice of describing racists and bigots as “controversial” and letting them promote hatred.
Alain the site fixer
I’d like to think it was the crush of people trying to comment “Fuck Roseanne!” but that would be incorrect.
Mike J
And ICM dropped Rosanne.
Yutsano
@TenguPhule: @JPL: @japa21: I tweeted at both Cole and Betty then there was life again.
Baud
@Mike J:
That one always gets me.
Also, too, Hahahaha.
dmsilev
Alluded to Valerie Jarrett as an ape, and repeated some (false) anti-Semitic slurs against George Soros.
Conservative are going to be whining about this for roughly the next half century, aren’t they? Has Trump had his afternoon Executive Time tweet session yet?
TenguPhule
@Alain the site fixer:
Maybe all the godawful auto-play ads on the site now? Just a thought.
hellslittlestangel
@guachi: Not surprising Fox is condemning her. She was stealing their audience.
zhena gogolia
Wow, I couldn’t access BJ for an hour or so, but the wait was worth it! Yay! And I say that as a fan of the old show.
TenguPhule
@Baud:
Are you trying to jinx us?
JPL
@Baud: Trump will find something for her. Maybe she can run his shadow twitter account.
chopper
when i first read that garbage tweet i was all “eh, fuck twitter it’s just awful” then the responses came in…
that’s just perfect.
The Moar You Know
I’d now like to know who decided to bring her back to TV, and more importantly, who funded that.
@Mingobat (f/k/a Karen in GA): Yes you should. Especially Sara Gilbert. She was one of the writers, she knew exactly what they were throwing out there.
Again, I want to know who funded this. A lot of folks I’d considered decent just turned their heads and looked the other way, so they:
1. Obviously aren’t decent
2. Got paid enough to not have to worry about their futures in show business.
MisterForkbeard
I was wrong that there wouldn’t be any significant action on this. Props to ABC/Disney.
I am completely unsurprised that a show billed as the “Conservative ID” and spent its run attacking liberal strawmen would turn out to have racist, bigoted cast members.
I’m glad that Sarah Gilbert, Wanda Sykes and ABC all denounced her, but fuck them for signing up in the first place. When you play with fire you get burned, and that’s clearly what happened here. They’re not innocent either.
Adam L Silverman
@guachi: Despite the editorial lean/slant, there is a significant difference between Fox News actual news side and its opinion side. Specifically: A Blonde With Two Boobs Morning Show, The Frozen Dinner Bow Tied Trust Fund Baby Hour, Conspiracy Theories and Unhinged Rants With Informal Presidential Advisor Lumpy the Ambulatory Potato, and Screamy Time With Your Drunk, Racist, Mobbed Up, Crazy Aunt Who Was a One Term Municipal Court Judge.
Litlebritdifrnt
@TenguPhule: @TenguPhule: I actually went into cold sweats when I couldn’t access BJ, I mean really. I tweeted John Cole and everything.
Ceci n est pas mon nym
It was more than a little depressing to learn in 2016 (and since) how many deplorables there are around us and just how deplorable they are.
This news doesn’t give me any hope that the network executives are non-deplorable. But it does give me some hope that the deplorable line is becoming unprofitable. That would be nice.
The ultimate expression of that would be if Fox went bankrupt.
Mary G
That was quick. Good.
I feel sorry for the people who will be out of work, but if they have any brains they saved up what they’ve already made, because I’m sure they could see the implosion coming.
HeleninEire
LOL. I was FREAKED that the site was down. I really, really gotta get a life. But wait. Maybe this is my life. And that ain’t a bad thing. I love this place. Gotta meander over the the money jar.
Also, too. Today was Lily’s chemo visit. I will sit patiently for a Cole update.
MisterForkbeard
@Alain the site fixer: A mysterious event? It’s probably George Soros related. Check there.
dmsilev
So she’s been Barred from television?
(sorry)
JPL
Roseanne’s agents have dropped her also.
YetAnotherJay formerly (Jay S)
@Alain the site fixer: Rosanne dissed and the site goes down. Coincidence? I think not.
satby
Some of us were carrying on in jackal tradition over on Facebook on HeleninEire’s page. Any port in a storm.
Mart
I can not wait for my conservative friends and relatives to yell at me because it is the libtards fault that Roseanne is a deplorable human being. Wondering how they will be framing this one…
Jeffro
@JPL:
He’ll be out defending her as a “very fine person” before happy hour gets here.
Adam L Silverman
@Mingobat (f/k/a Karen in GA): Actually some of the co-stars were starting to submit notices to quit the show when Disney/ABC pulled the plug.
Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady)
Bye, Felicia.
Quinerly
@dmsilev: and I’m just seeing all her tweets around the 2AM mark this morning… attacked Chris Cilliza as a mouth breather and accused HRC as having a colostomy bag.
Adam L Silverman
@oatler.:
Alain the site fixer
@MisterForkbeard: you mean, check here, as in, “here please!”
Brachiator
Roseanne cancelled? Oh, man, this makes me so happy I think I will run out and get a Starbucks espresso.
Oh, wait….
Still, me happy.
Jeffro
@Adam L Silverman:
I’ve checked out the rest, but I will admit I’ve never had the (guts? stupidity? eardrum strength?) to watch her show. I think I saw 10 seconds of a 30 second clip of her via Twitter once, and that was plenty.
satby
@Adam L Silverman: source? I would enjoy reading that!
germy
I saw this excellent note (by cdwag14) in The Root comments section:
Paula
This is a great article about what tolerance is and isn’t. Summary: tolerance isn’t a moral precept, it’s a peace treaty, and those who violate the peace are subject to the rules of broken peace and/or war. In the case of Roseanne, racist/white-supremacist speech deserves pushback and consequences and I’m very glad both occurred. extranewsfeed.com/tolerance-is-not-a-moral-precept-1af7007d6376
dmsilev
@Quinerly:
At least we have _some_ things that everyone agrees on.
TenguPhule
@Adam L Silverman:
Two out of three isn’t bad, except when it is.
Quinerly
“White House in Panic Mode After TV Star With Racist Twitter Feed Loses Job.”
Andy Borowitz
YetAnotherJay formerly (Jay S)
@Adam L Silverman:
Shep Smith aside, that lean means they avoid a lot of this kind of news. So saying this is racist is significant, I think. Was this Shep?
schrodingers_cat
It is sad when a TV actor is held to a higher standard of behavior than the President.
Mary G
@Mary G: Also, she put up a picture of Chelsea Clinton and Donkey from Shrek with some allegations about Chelsea’s husband being related to George Soros and his dad being a crooked senator (he was a House rep).
MisterForkbeard
@Adam L Silverman: Wait, was Jeanine Pirro seriously “a One Term Municipal Court Judge”? That’s why they insist on calling her “Judge Pirro” and pretend she has real qualifications.
@satby: Oh. Well, now I need to friend HelenInEire. :)
smintheus
@guachi: Fox is just playing along with its new owner Disney/ABC. Fox can find some other way to satisfy the racist cravings of its audience than to pick this fight.
Baud
@Quinerly: Tick tock, motherfucker.
TenguPhule
@Litlebritdifrnt:
Were you here for the great FYWP Database errors in 2008?
HeleninEire
@Adam L Silverman: Nope. Not enough.
Mr Stagger Lee
I hope Netflix doesn’t take a stupid breath and decide to give Roseanne a shot.
Jeffro
@germy: That is excellent. You listening, Dem candidates?
Baud
@satby: But then you’re on Facebook.
zhena gogolia
@schrodingers_cat:
See also: Cosby, B.
TenguPhule
@schrodingers_cat:
The problem is that he wasn’t. And the media decided not to update their routers when he stepped into the Whitehouse.
germy
@Mr Stagger Lee: Would the cast go with her?
schrodingers_cat
@Baud: Move over Bari, Barr is here.
dmsilev
@smintheus: Disney doesn’t own Fox yet, and even if that deal goes through it won’t include Fox News.
BruceFromOhio
@Adam L Silverman: Sorry, Sarah, lay down with dogs, wake up with rabies.
Love to see Iger and Twatler throw down in a twatfest. Methinks the head of a major network will not suffer fools gladly, or at all.
schrodingers_cat
@TenguPhule: TV actor == Roseanne held to a higher standard than President T(Republican)
? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?
This literally made my day when I saw it. I can’t believe I didn’t predict this was going to happen. I thought the show would be canceled fairly soon given its declining ratings, but not this way. Still, Barr had a history of this. ABC, Wanda Sykes, and Sara Gilbert can’t act like they’re surprised by this. The real mistake was giving a network show to this POS in the first place.
Did ABC truly think that the zeitgeist of this country had shifted that much that they would be able to get away with it? And why now all of a sudden, given the above, a are they discovering a conscience and a spine?
trollhattan
@Mike J:
And 3 Scaramuccis = 1 Friedman Unit.
schrodingers_cat
@zhena gogolia: And Charlie Rose, Harvey Wienstein and all those old men with grabby paws.
Ruviana
@Adam L Silverman: It must be something about Florida. These are titles worthy of Ms. Cracker! I think we should use all of them!
Adam L Silverman
@Jeffro: Bless her heart!
A Ghost To Most
Declare Roseanne dead on the show, replace her with Wanda Sykes, and carry on.
BruceFromOhio
Iger done raised the bar, and barring unforeseen circumstances, the bar will remain closed indefinitely.
I’m here all week, tip the veal and try the reconnected server.
TenguPhule
I am increasingly in support of ousting Schumer as Senate minority leader.
chris
@Alain the site fixer: Something something security? https has gone from green to grey making me think the site is no longer secure. Maybe…
Baud
@zhena gogolia:
@schrodingers_cat:
Maybe it’s a good time to ask where Melania is.
germy
Well, of course.
Mary G
President of ABC Entertainment is an African-American woman. The racists are losing, which is why they are getting so unhinged.
smintheus
@dmsilev: But Fox News knows where its corporate bread is buttered in this thing.
YetAnotherJay formerly (Jay S)
@Mr Stagger Lee: Undoubtedly there will be a Rosanne Recovery Tour someday. Hopefully years in the future, but inevitable.
Adam L Silverman
@satby: MSNBC reported that Wanda Sykes had already quit. And one of the other female costars tweeted that she was just dialing her agent to tell her to tell ABC she was quitting effective immediately and why – Roseanne’s racism – when ABC made their announcement.
MattF
I think there’s a specific sort of Twitter-crazy where you go stupid and cross a lot of lines. And Barr did it. I’m not excusing her by any means, just that it’s a sort of syndrome.
Duane
But… but.. free speech. Clinton said people were deplorable. Typical PC, double-standard, Demorat fake news. Suck it libtards. (How’s my right-wing out rage routine?)
Adam L Silverman
@germy: Yep. The backlash to this backlash is far more sustainable. And, of course, is both just and on the right side of history.
germy
TenguPhule
@MattF:
The first symptom of which is that you sign up for a twitter account.
Spanky
@Litlebritdifrnt:
Only works if you use all caps.
? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?
@Adam L Silverman:
Except, you know, the name of the show is literally her name and her character is the main one. Face it, Sara, you knew exactly what Barr was but you reprised your role anyway because you wanted the money. Same with ABC. Barr has a history of this shit. You can’t have your cake and eat it too.
satby
@Baud: I am anyway. My former exchange students down through the years and a lot of my friends in other countries are. So there it is ?
Brachiator
@Mike J:
Han Solo did the Kessel run in 12 Scaramuccis.
MisterForkbeard
@HeleninEire: Preach. Good that Gilbert said that. Doesn’t absolve her from working on that monstrosity of a show to begin with, or enabling Roseanne.
Mnemosyne
There has been much rejoicing in my little corner of the Mouse House today (we are not associate with ABC except under the corporate umbrella).
When Bob Iger himself retweets your firing, you are done here.
catclub
@germy: I bet that the part where Barr quit Twitter gets ignored now that the show is off.
zhena gogolia
@schrodingers_cat:
Not to mention poor Billy Bush.
TenguPhule
@MattF:
Don’t care what made the zombies into zombies before, just care about eliminating the zombies that are here now.
HeleninEire
@satby: Yes. And if any other jackels wanna join us on Facebook, I am Helen O’Neill and my avitar is Patsy Stone from Ab Fab. Because of course it is. Just look for me in Dublin. please identify yourself with your BJ name so I know who you are and to whom I am talking.
TenguPhule
@Brachiator:
Rosanne shot first.
HeleninEire
@MisterForkbeard: Please do. See me above.
germy
@catclub: Her twitter page is still up. She’s just taking a break from tweeting.
(Interesting that she wasn’t suspended for hate speech)
Now that she’s a free agent, I assume she’ll have more to say soon.
Elizabelle
@Mnemosyne: Yeah. I was glad to see that.
Adam L Silverman
@Paula: Yep, there are five forms of conflict resolution:
Avoidance
Tolerance
Mediation
Arbitration
Self Help – usually Violent Self Help
If you make it impossible for the first four to happen, then all you’re doing is making the fifth one the default response.
Jeffro
@Brachiator:
Dang, he did, didn’t he? ;)
(they did sew up the issue of that old SW line quite nicely in the new movie )
Adam L Silverman
@TenguPhule: My understanding is that Gilbert is the principle writer and producer behind bringing the show back. She had to know what they were getting.
trollhattan
@A Ghost To Most:
Moar hilarious would be replacing the Roseanne Conner character with Sykes and go on as if nothing had happened.
I would watch that.
? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?
@Adam L Silverman:
I wonder if this was just a pretext for cancelling the show if more actors were going to up and quit. Saves ABC the embarrassment and makes them look like heroes.
satby
@HeleninEire: Not everyone is able or willing to drop their anonymity though.
Adam L Silverman
@YetAnotherJay formerly (Jay S): Yep. And I have no idea as I don’t watch Fox News unless I’m looking to see how they’re covering things. I was just responding to someone else’s comment.
Quinerly
@Baud: organizing the sign up table and name tags for Infrastructure Week?
trollhattan
Coming to a campus near you, the Roseanne Barr, Ann Coulter, Milo FuckifIcanspellhisname “We’re being oppressed by the PeeCee police!” tour.
Watch for it.
germy
@Adam L Silverman: I don’t know much about the history of the show, but I recall reports of a miserable set during the first 1990s Roseanne show. Writers, other actors, crew members… they said it was a toxic place to work.
I was sort of surprised when Ms. Gilbert decided to bring the whole thing back.
Jeffro
Mrs. Betty Bowers on Twitter:
HeleninEire
@Baud: Join us! We are harmless. Mostly. ;)
Enhanced Voting Techniques
I’d bet Barr knew her show was headed for the axe so she posted those as tweets as an application for Wingnut Wealfare.
germy
@trollhattan: PeeCee Kulture is out of controllll!
Adam L Silverman
@MisterForkbeard: Yep. Was a judge for like 2 to 4 years. Stepped down, partially, to challenge Secretary Clinton for her Senate seat, then quickly flamed out by holding a bizarre press conference (she was clearly drunk/altered), and has been blaming all of it on a Clinton conspiracy ever since. Like the Clinton’s directed UN black helicopters to surveil her home. She’s both nuts and a drunk.
Adam L Silverman
@HeleninEire: Never said it was. I was just providing what she said.
schrodingers_cat
T voters are immune to reason, I had an encounter with one this weekend.
Adam L Silverman
@trollhattan: I think that’s a Moochspan.
Mike J
(I think he meant preëmptively, but the spirit is right)
catclub
@Alain the site fixer: the usual answer is alzheimer’s
Adam L Silverman
@Ruviana: Thank you.
germy
@Adam L Silverman: I thought her campaign flamed out because of her husband’s legal troubles as well. Wasn’t he indicted? Her hatred of HRC is white-hot. A habitable exoplanet could orbit it.
Gelfling 545
@Litlebritdifrnt: I wnder if John realizes just how important a public service he provides. This blog has been a lifeline through the Trump régime.
Mnemosyne
@Adam L Silverman:
I suspect that Gilbert made the common mistake when dealing with a toxic narcissist of assuming that the narcissist could be trusted to keep his/her word when s/he said that they TOTALLY would not be abusive again.
Gilbert foolishly thought that Roseanne would stop being an asshole out of gratitude and affection and, like most people who try to work with a toxic narcissist, Gilbert discovered that she was wrong and all that happened was that Roseanne made Gilbert look bad.
cokane
She’s been a nutjob for decades, was peddling 9/11 trutherism back in the day, probably still would if she was asked about it. Basically another uber wealthy moron who has clearly been surrounded by yes-men for too long
catclub
@trollhattan: me, too
GregB
I never really cared for Roseanne and the kicker was her gross rendition of the National Anthem. True story: My roommate at the time was a Marine who was in the stadium when she did that and he thought it was hysterical.
Adam L Silverman
@A Ghost To Most: They cancelled Kevin Can Wait, so Leah Remini is available to take over as the mysteriously deceased wife…//
randy khan
@Paula:
I have come to hate the way “tolerance” is used these days. Most of the time it’s applied to people who you shouldn’t merely tolerate – races other than yours, LGBT, etc. “Acceptance” is a better word, although really it applies only to people who are uncomfortable with people unlike them, and what we really should be striving for is recognition that we’re all people and deserve to be treated in all respects with fairness and dignity (well, except for people who behave badly enough to deserve ridicule for what they’ve done).
Mnemosyne
@Adam L Silverman:
Apparently different drugs each have different “signature” delusions, and “black helicopters” is common one for cocaine addicts to develop.
randy khan
@smintheus:
Disney’s not getting Fox New (sic) Channel in the deal.
Skepticat
I find this terribly depressing–but only because I’m so surprised a company actually did the right thing, when we should be surprised only if they don’t. Is this a glimmer of hope?
Adam L Silverman
@trollhattan: With Special Guest Ben Shapiro. And Lucian Wintrich, the Twink for Trump, as the opening act!!!!
They can call it Doucheapalooza!
Jeffro
Did not realize…Dingus is holding a rally in Nashville tonight. Anyone wanna bet he bemoans the plight of poor, poor, “very fine person Roseanne” to the crowd?
danielx
@Baud:
Why not? The only diff between her and some of the current columnists is that she’s not subtle.
Note: failure to establish database connection is a new one to me.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@Mart
Don’t wait, strike first, tell your wingnut relatives you are outraged Soros called Barr “a small flesh troll, who needs to be driven back by billy goats to the abandoned overpass were the muck filled nest Barr crawled out of is found.”
Adam L Silverman
@germy: Ms Gilbert hasn’t had much of a career since the show’s initial run. Might have had something to do with it.
Immanentize
@Mnemosyne: I loved, “Good Fellows.”. ?
? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?
@germy:
For the money, dear boy
HeleninEire
@satby: And then I will not accept them as FB friend. And here’s my thinking about that. The world has all of our information. We have traded that for security. OK. Just watch your bank and investment accounts every single day.
Do you remember a few months ago that I told you that I was working on a proposal to the EU? Well that proposal told the EU that we, at Dublin City University could block any asshole who wants your info.
Dunno about the science or IT. But imagine.
Adam L Silverman
@germy: That didn’t help. Especially as she basically divorced him so they wouldn’t indict her too. Nothing like the mob getting one of their own on the bench to fix things for them and then have it crash and burn because she and her husband can’t keep a low profile.
But it came down to a bizarre speech being the beginning of the end:
Quinerly
Travon Free
✔
@Travon
Just take a moment to observe all the things Roseanne had to do to get canceled:
– Call Valerie Jarrett an ape
– accuse dems child sex trafficking
– tell Hillary Clinton to commit suicide
– accuse Chelsea Clinton of being part of a Jewish conspiracy
– call George Soros a Nazi
2:01 PM – May 29, 2018
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JPL
In not so surprising news
glory b
@germy: Yep, thisis a much better articulation of what I wanted to say about voting a few threads down.
Adam L Silverman
@Mnemosyne: Not being a coke head I did not know that.
Ruviana
@Adam L Silverman: De nada!
Mingobat (f/k/a Karen in GA)
@HeleninEire: Hi! Can I join you? I can offer pics of Iggy and Muppet and rants about Trump.
HeleninEire
@Adam L Silverman: Was responding to Sarah, not you.
Adam L Silverman
@Jeffro: He’s going to be completely lit and out of control!
Adam L Silverman
@Quinerly:
I’ll have to check the minutes, but as far as I can tell she’s never been to any of the meetings.//
germy
@Adam L Silverman: These people aren’t big on details. They seem to skim through life. Page 10 is always missing.
YetAnotherJay formerly (Jay S)
That last part was meant for @guachi: Sorry@Adam L Silverman:. I see Shep at least did say racist. mediaite.com/tv/fox-news-shepard-smith-in-scathing-monologue-racism-is-not-funny-and-roseanne-barr-i…. Any others?
? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?
Can anybody see this comment?
zhena gogolia
@Jeffro:
Haha, so true.
trollhattan
@Adam L Silverman:
Comets across the solar system will be mightily tempted by such a dense target. I’ll be out of state that day.
trollhattan
@? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?:
I cannot.
germy
@Jeffro:
“Who’s going to give back the young and beautiful life (and others) that has been devastated and destroyed by the phony elites at ABC? Roseanne journeyed down to Hollywood, with stars in her eyes and wanting to help our nation…She went back home in tatters!”
Adam L Silverman
@HeleninEire: That’s what they all say!
Another Scott
@chris: Chrome tells me (clicking on the circled i by the https):
“Your connection to this site is not fully secure
“Attackers might be able to see the images you’re
looking at on this site and trick you by modifying
them. Learn more
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Site Settings”
Yeah, it looks like something isn’t quite right.
Cheers,
Scott.
randy khan
@? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?:
What comment? (Ah, yes, I did see it.)
geg6
@Adam L Silverman:
That’s not quite true. She’s been in quite a few things, films and other shows. She has also been one of the hosts for the CBS daytime The View clone, The Talk, for many years now.
I think she fell for the typical broken promises of a toxic narcissist and is now regretting it mightily. Hope she learned something.
Adam L Silverman
@? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?: No. Any other questions?//
YetAnotherJay formerly (Jay S)
@? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?: I see nothing!//
A Ghost To Most
@trollhattan:
Yeah, Wanda Sykes playing Roseanne would be epic.
eclare
@geg6: She was also on The Big Bang Theory for a while.
Gex
Not remotely defending Barr, just noting it has to be somewhat confusing for the racist conservatives who try to hack capitalism by being as awful as possible PRECISELY because they will profit off of the obsessed dedication of the base and get cover from right wing media all while the controversy provides free viral promotion while above it all centrists play along.
It is really arbitrary where people decide to draw the lines and take a stand and I’m sure she thought this shit would fly because she’s said similar things in the past and ABC/Disney didn’t give a fuck.
Mary G
Probably too true:
Yarrow
Maybe they should just fire Roseanne and call the new show “Dan.” He’s the heart of the show anyway.
Teddys Person
@geg6: From a couple of Gilbert’s interviews, I got the impression that she saw this as an opportunity to advance her career behind the sceens as writer and/or showrunner.
geg6
@eclare:
Yes, that was one of the shows I’d seen her on. She’s done a lot of work since her early work on Roseanne. Not, maybe, on the level of Laurie Metcalf or John Goodman, but she’s definitely worked steady since her younger days.
Mnemosyne
@Adam L Silverman:
As Immanentize alluded to, that’s why Ray Liotta’s character starts seeing black helicopters in Goodfellas. Scorsese saw them, too, when he was a cocaine addict.
chris
@Another Scott: Also Chrome and I get the same thing but don’t know enough to comment. I enabled adblock a while back because the site was constantly trying to load ads that Chrome wouldn’t allow. Don’t know if that means anything either.
geg6
@Teddys Person:
Well, that might have been a mistake. LOL!
guachi
Don’t worry, all. Roseanne will be back for a second season on the new streaming service for Trump supporters, NetFliKKKs.
Baud
What did cocaine addicts see before there were helicopters?
Jeffro
@Adam L Silverman:
So…standard rally mode, with just an extra dash of Roseanne-as-martyr. Alrighty then.
Jeffro
@Baud: Why did I hear that question in a Steven Wright-ish voice?
Adam L Silverman
@Baud: Hephalumps.
Gelfling 545
@Adam L Silverman: Nor did I but it certainly suggests new insights into a couple of people I know.
Mart
@Baud: Bats. Those fuckers were all over the sky.
Teddys Person
@geg6: The fact that Gilbert tied herself up in knots to defend the project (specifically defending the show more than defending Barr) should have been the first clue that things wouldn’t end well.
catclub
@germy: Usually Trump spends all the time on these rallies for the local politician talking about himself.
For a change he will talk about himself and Roseanne and skip over Marsh Blackburn.
Quinerly
@Jeffro: politics.theonion.com/trump-calls-roseanne-barr-to-congratulate-her-on-compar-1826398597
?
Spanky
@Baud:
Helicopters, but nobody knew what they were.
catclub
@Adam L Silverman: and woozles.
Another Scott
Interesting goings-on in the Virginia Senate Finance Committee today:
(Emphasis added.)
Norment wanted to say, “How dare you question my integrity and honor!!11”, but Sessions already used that line up. (groucho-roll-eyes.gif)
This is example #235,867,102 of why state and local politics is so important. Thank goodness the Virginia Senate committee didn’t fall for it this time.
Cheers,
Scott.
Adam L Silverman
@catclub: Of course!
Mnemosyne
@Gex:
This is only a guess, but I’m betting that the producers made promises to Disney/ABC along the lines of, Sure, she’s said and done terrible stuff in the past, but she’s changed and she won’t do that anymore, because she understands that she’ll jeopardize her career.
And then they spent months frantically trying to keep her under control long enough for the season to end. It’s not a coincidence that this happened right after the season finale aired and they stopped being able to lean on her to behave every. single. day.
schrodingers_cat
@Baud: Vultures? Birds of prey?
Gelfling 545
@Jeffro: He’ll be standing on stage with a note from his advisors in his hand reading “DO NOT DEFEND ROSEANNE BARR” which he will proceed to ignore/ forget.
Ruckus
Not in any way endorsing Rosanne, I thought she wasn’t all that when the original show was on.
But. If she wasn’t a writer, didn’t have the freedom to go off script, then maybe the show thought they had her under control. So blaming the show for her tweets may not be in order. OTOH there shouldn’t really be much question that she’s a lunitc fucking racist and would do something extremely stupid. That’s as predictable as the tides.
HRA
@? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?: Nope
Mel
@Alain the site fixer: Thanks, Alain, for all you do to keep things up and running smoothly, and for patiently ironing out the glitches. It is much appreciated.
M4
@Mnemosyne: I thought paranoia about surveillance was a meth thing.
Mart
@M4: Lack of sleep gets you to the same place.
Mnemosyne
@Mart:
I agree, Dr. Gonzo. ?
zhena gogolia
@Baud:
I’m not sure, but the cocaine-soaked Russian cabaret star Aleksandr Vertinsky thought “your fingers smell of incense.”
Mingobat (f/k/a Karen in GA)
@Gelfling 545: DO NOT CONGRATULATE
Mary G
Market’s down almost 400 points because Italy can’t form a government and is talking about not being “slaves” of Germany and France. Incompetence will have its price at some point.
M4
@Mart: fair!
@Mary G: not because of Roseanne? Are you sure?
Gin & Tonic
@germy:
Not just indicted, convicted and imprisoned.
Mnemosyne
@M4:
Most stimulant drugs cause paranoia about being spied on, but with cocaine it apparently manifests specifically as black helicopters doing the surveillance.
Or, as Mart alluded to, bats in the pre-helicopter days.
Yarrow
@Ruckus: The people who ran the show and those who put it on air, knew what a racist lunatic she is. They didn’t have to give her a platform. They didn’t have to reboot the show that has her name as the title, where she’s the big star. They could have chosen not to do that. They chose to do it. They are to blame for that.
Mart
@Mnemosyne: “There is nothing more helpless and irresponsible than a man in the depths of an ether binge.” Hunter S Thompson
Barbara
Comedians (or comedic actors) who aren’t actually role playing aren’t really funny. Once you realize how f’ed up Charlie Sheen is in real life, it’s hard to laugh at his sitcom antics. Once you realize (as they should have a long time ago) that Roseanne really is a racist, the case for her new show goes away. Because being addicted to drugs and being a racist REALLY aren’t funny. Carroll O’Connor is still the winner in my book, and probably always will be, of how to play a bigoted character.
Jeffro
@Quinerly: I’m shocked he hasn’t already offered her a job on his re-election campaign.
Ruckus
@Mnemosyne:
Your bosses Twitter is a cesspool. Reads like a newspaper comment section, with some push back.
chopper
@Baud:
who the hell do you think invented helicopters?
danielx
@Gelfling 545:
I will be less than surprised.
The Lodger
@? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?: What comment?
geg6
@Mnemosyne:
Yup, I believe this is exactly what happened.
Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady)
@Jeffro: Also, you have to be clever or funny enough for folks to excuse you. For a comedian, Barr was a failure at funny tweets.
Ruckus
@Yarrow:
Isn’t that what I said at the end?
Adam L Silverman
@chopper: Leonardo da Vinci!
burnspbesq
If there is a way for Barr to spin this into martyrdom and profit from it, it will be found and implemented.
Patricia Kayden
@Irony Abounds: So what? I assume you’re being sarcastic. Wood’s whining is as impactful as his long gone acting career.
The Moar You Know
@Mary G: The “populists” want out of the Euro, having apparently already forgotten the fun-filled
daysyearsdecadescenturies of yore when Italy’s currency was a worldwide joke. This is some first-class idiocy in action.Oh, Italy has some legit complaints. They really do. But this move would be equivalent to getting rid of a hangnail by shooting yourself in the face.
Kay
@Gex:
It’s just so funny they still don’t get it. Corporations don’t like CONTROVERSY :)
They’re too loony for corporate America. It’s not about “beliefs”. Disney just wants to be left alone to make product for money. They don’t need all this Right wing angst.
TenguPhule
@Baud:
Flying Saucers.
Adam L Silverman
@burnspbesq: Someone has to take over for Huckabee-Sanders as the press secretary when she resigns under pressure/is fired in the next 60 days or so.
Quinerly
@Jeffro: The day is not over. He probably has some “executive time” scheduled. Plus, Hannity will weigh in tonight.
Patricia Kayden
@burnspbesq: She can set up a hate website like Breotbart or Stormfront. There are millions of White racists she can grifting from. She’ll be just fine. Just glad she’s off my tv.
trollhattan
@chopper:
Tired bats?
TenguPhule
@Mary G:
The market has determined that it is $500 million.
Kay
It makes the NFL look worse, doesn’t it? They really win the award for cowardice. All those big swaggering plutocrats and little smarmy weasel Pence scared the shit out of them.
trollhattan
@burnspbesq:
Yes, and yes. Can’t wait.
TenguPhule
@The Moar You Know:
I can just picture Trump demanding we get off the dollar standard.
TenguPhule
@Kay:
Corrected for honesty.
Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady)
Twitter is claiming Barr’s agency had dropped her too. That’s interesting. Apparently as long as you’re not president, you pay a price for this stuff.
glory b
@Mary G: Okay, but she is he one who green lighted the show in the first place.
she i also the one who said that they had to look at the results of the election and direct more shows to the Trump voters.
Maybe a coincidence, but shortly after, Shonda Rimes and Kenya Barris (creator of Black-ish) left.
Kay
Uh, oh. Another brave Trump is dodging questions:
There are processes by which people in the White House can be compelled to answer questions. Someone should use one for Ivanka. We really do have a right to know if she’s manipulating US foreign policy for personal financial gain. We’re allowed to ask that.
trollhattan
O/T Florence and the Machine will be at Lake Tahoe Outdoor Arena at Harveys this August but after Las Vegas I’m not at all sure I want to go to an outdoor concert adjacent to a cas…place where people wager sums of money.
Adam L Silverman
@Kay: Apparently that was all Goddell. But he has a well developed and well reported on flinch instinct. He’s going to catch it from all directions as a result of Kaepernick’s suit, the upcoming CBA negotiations, and the reported on discussion of having the top African American stars sitting out the upcoming season.
TenguPhule
I’ve lost track of which Giulani decided this. Can’t tell them apart without a program these days.
Jeffro
@Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady):
Trumpov Rules are the inverse of Clinton Rules.
oatler.
Meanwhile Chuck Todd, not to be left out of the game, is retweeting Erik Eriksson and Jonah Goldberg without comment.
NotMax
Headline which Variety won’t have the cojones to run, sad to say:
Lion King Axes Lyin’ Queen.
TenguPhule
@Kay:
The Very Serious People have decided that this is no longer true. //
PJ
@JPL: If it had happened in Moscow, police would have reported it as a gun-cleaning accident.
Quinerly
OT… Seems Jeff Weaver was on some CSpan show today saying his old boss seriously considering a 2020 run.
Patricia Kayden
@germy: Wow. So this is a pattern with her. ABC shouldn’t have done the re-boot in the first place.
Mnemosyne
@glory b:
Dungey may have been bending over backwards to appear “fair” to white racists, without fully realizing that white racists will never, ever respect her no matter how many shows she gives them.
Reading between the lines, I suspect that she’s been getting pitches from well-known TV producers (not sure who) who’ve been trying to sell the “racists need TV shows, too!” line and she didn’t want to automatically alienate them. The demographics of broadcast TV are very ugly right now, and poor whites tend to dominate because they don’t have cable or streaming services.
rikyrah
@germy:
????
They wanna party like it’s 1948.
Nobody is having it?
sublime33
So Rosanne got the Kathy Griffin treatment. And the Dixie Chicks treatment. But I’m sure Rosanne’s firing is unfair while the others were justified.
Kay
@TenguPhule:
“We’re being persecuted!” No, that’s not it at all. You’re bad for business. They hate that answer because it’s not emotional enough and it’s so boring, but that is the answer. They lack self-discipline, which creates unnecessary risk. No one needs that.
They knew Roseanne would blurt out her real racist feelings again- she’s incapable of self policing.
They really don’t have to express every thought that runs thru their heads. People don’t say things all the time. It’s not even that difficult. Have you ever NOT said something in order to keep a job? Sure. All adults have. I do it at least weekly.
Adam L Silverman
@Mnemosyne: They can always recast the role with Dana Loesch…
Steeplejack
@Another Scott. @chris:
Alain said in one of these recent threads that he was dicking around with the site plumbing and that might cause problems for a bit.
For those experiencing page loading/delay problems on this site (desktop version, not mobile) not just this afternoon, you might have to manually configure your ad blocker to nuke the Connatix autoplay video ad. Instructions here.
Patricia Kayden
@Kay: Someone should ask Ivanka about forced patriotism and the racism her father has directed against protesting Black NFL players.
JPL
@Quinerly: Rumor has it that Grietens is going to resign. hmmm
He has a 4:15 news conference cst obviously
Mnemosyne
@trollhattan:
I would hope that the facility’s owners are a fuckload more security-conscious than they used to be. Can’t hurt to call and ask what their new policies are.
Van Buren
@Baud: Zeppelins
cwmoss
@JPL: He shoulda been more careful while cleaning his nails with a bread knife — I mean while cleaning his gun.
Steeplejack
@Baud:
Phantom . . . carriages! [shudder]
JPL
@Patricia Kayden: Someone needs to ask her about the Hatch Act.
NotMax
@Mary G
It has been 73 years since the end of WW2 in Europe. In that time Italy has had something close to that same number of governments. They were up to 65 changes of government since WW2 by 2016; haven’t kept up with the tally since then.
It’s as if everyone on Wall Street was born yesterday.
MisterForkbeard
@HeleninEire: Right then – sent you a friend request. :)
Aleta
@TenguPhule: Surveillance from the street, foes inside the bodies of their friends
Cacti
This is the hardest I’ve laughed about something since…
Yesterday. When Yankees fans mercilessly booed Giuliani at the baseball game.
JPL
Someone needs to inform Gov Greitens that we have reached our quota on breaking news today.
Mnemosyne
@sublime33:
Yeah, not even close, unless Roseanne has been getting death threats that I haven’t heard about.
But you’re correct that the right wing will treat her as a martyr and claim that she’s being treated worse than Griffin, because being fired from a corporate gig is way worse than being inundated with death threats that force you to cancel shows, amirite?
gwangung
@JPL: Hope so. I would think even Republicans would reject such a lame loser as Greitens….
Aleta
@HeleninEire: Patsy always warms my heart.
VeniceRiley
@JPL:
From his perspective, today is the perfect day to pick.
? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?
@Mnemosyne:
On top of that the shows like new Roseanne appeal to values and people that are contrary to a modern, diverse nation that the US is turning into. She has to realize on some level that if given the chance these people would gladly return her to second citizenship status (and if the alt-right ever took over, deport her).
Kathleen
@James Powell: They’ve been doing it for 50 years. They’ve allowed the vile hate from the fringe seep into acceptance in mainstream media conversation.
I’ve despised them for years for this which is why I refer to them as mainslime media
Cacti
There are two things a right winger hates more than anything:
1. People of color
2. Being called a racist
SiubhanDuinne
Valerie Jarrett is a class act.
NotMax
@HeleninEire
Male or female Patsy?
:)
Chyron HR
@rikyrah:
1933-1945 more like.
dmsilev
@JPL: This is the best Infrastructure Week ever.
Kathleen
@Ceci n est pas mon nym: The execs knew exactly what they were getting. They were going to drive the Race Train as long as they could count on revenue from racist viewers and NPR reporters seeking insight into the great unwashed
chopper
@Adam L Silverman:
who also happened to invent cocaine. took one bump and was all DOES ANYONE ELSE FUCKING HEAR THAT?
Major Major Major Major
@Quinerly:
I mean, duh.
Mary G
@glory b: She also wouldn’t air the taking a knee episode of “Blackish,” I know.
Aleta
I wonder if there was something in the cast members’ old contracts that required them to be available for a reunion show. Which became one season of episodes.
(Possible that some actors declined to renew after this season, as reported, but by contact could not say so publicly, until now.)
Mnemosyne
@SiubhanDuinne:
This may indicate that Dungey’s job is in trouble. She made one of the biggest mistakes you can make in any job — she made her boss look bad, and forced him to clean up the mess she made.
I’m guessing that she is now on very thin ice as far as upper management is concerned.
Aleta
@Kathleen: It played well in the heart(less)land. Money votes, money dictates. (It used to talk; now it silences.)
Shana
@Adam L Silverman: She was a recurring character on Big Bang Theory for a while. And had a great small role in High Fidelity. But you’re right, nothing really major.
Kathleen
@JPL: But libruls are mean to Maggie Haberman and Amy Chozick on Twitter so perspective people.
Iforgotwhenitslippedmymind
@guachi: Ah, yes. No doubt ABC & Fox’s gaggle of conservative sponsors/supporters/corporate clients are keeping their eye on the ball – November 2018 & beyond – just as much as we are. A move toward the center, team, but only for 5 months.
This is a nothing burger reaction by Fox to nothing/no one substantial. Expect more of these “reasonable, sane” moves, especially with regard to pop celebrity candy.
ruemara
@HeleninEire: I’d probably friend for the Patsy icon alone.
You know, Barr should’ve pulled a Drew Carey. He’s a libertarian & he’s managed to not mouth off on twitter. As he used to say about “Drew”, it stayed on so long because it was more expensive to cancel. He flew under the radar and got seasons out of it. Shut your bigot mouth & take your check. It’s not that hard. Her numbers had dropped hard. This gave ABC an out after the way too fast renewal. never give them an out for an underwhelming product. You coulda been mediocre, Barr. Instead, you went full metal stupid.
Amir Khalid
@chopper:
Leonardo da Vinci was South American? Well, well. One learns something new every day..
Marcopolo
Breaking: Greitens resigning June 1. Guess he did not want to testify under oath to the Legislative committee looking into impeaching him. Though, I’d also heard the Trump gold have been telling him to go away since a lot of money was going to be run painting Harley (the R AG) running against McCaskill as closely tied to Greitens. Anyways, I am happy.
JPL
@Marcopolo: 5pm on June 1.
Feebog
@Jeffro:
The day is young.
Mnemosyne
@ruemara:
Unless you’re a toxic narcissist. If you are, it’s the hardest thing is the world to keep your mouth shut, because your opinions are the only ones that matter.
As I was saying above, I’m not too surprised that this happened after the season wrapped, because she didn’t have people monitoring her behavior every single day anymore. It’s like trying to keep your alcoholic star from going on a bender — you can keep them on track while you’re in production, but once you wrap and cut them loose, all bets are off.
TenguPhule
@Adam L Silverman:
I don’t think Loesch would want to wear a fat suit for that long.
SFAW
@schrodingers_cat:
One hopes it was not by choice.
ruemara
@Mnemosyne: You pander too much, you’re going to get just as fired as if you were too radical. She made a serious miscalculation that Roseanne could avoid the economic anxiety.
@schrodingers_cat: I hope it wasn’t unpleasant except for them.
SFAW
@chopper:
Herman Knowings, as any New Yorker (worth his/her salt) knows.
Waynski
@Adam L Silverman: Pretty sure Pirro was also Westchester County Exec for awhile, which in NYS (and elsewhere) is like “Mayor of the County.”
different-church-lady
@TenguPhule:
Why are you putting sarcasm slashes after that?
TenguPhule
@NotMax:
They do say a sucker is born every minute.
TenguPhule
@different-church-lady:
Because I was being sarcastic about them being very serious people.
Steeplejack
@Shana:
Well, she created, executive-produced and co-hosted The Talk on CBS since 2011, seen by about 2.4 million viewers every day, so there’s that.
different-church-lady
@Cacti: I’m not sure they mind #2 all that much.
debbie
@guachi:
One of the local conservative talk stations in my area (I tune in for traffic reports before I get stuck in traffic) was sidling up to defending her, mostly by condemning Hollywood for making what they consider to be similar sentiments (ie, “I liked Obama”). Fuckers.
marcopolo
@Marcopolo: Clarifying my iPhone autocorrect errors with my laptop: Trump gold should read Trump folks; the MO AG is Josh Hawley.
Am planning to go meet with friends tonight. I was previously planning to drink a beer to Rosanne’s show being cancelled and The Expanse being picked up by Amazon. I think I will drink two beers now.
PS This group did a poll a few weeks ago as to whether Greitens would resign first or wait to be impeached. I think most of us thought he would try to tough it out–glad we were wrong.
Aleta
@Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady):That’s one of the broader positives from this. She’s (currently) nearly unemployable to CEOs; and now her agent; and better agents and producers will stay clear for awhile. I expect to see her as paid speaker for campaigns or the ’20 convention though.
The broader negative is that her racist tweet is repeated on every news site covering this. Hellish.
VeniceRiley
Old Roseanne reruns are being pulled from all the cablenets too. that’s where it’s really going to hurt.
TenguPhule
Okay, I’m glad that’s been settled then.
Wapo Link.
Dana Milbank is shrill.
ixnay
@HeleninEire: sennt you a friend request, but kindle winn not let me add a note. Nan Beury = ixnay, the veterinarian.
BruceFromOhio
@chopper: This is doubly hilarious coming from a commenter nym’d chopper.
TenguPhule
@Cacti:
What happens when 1 & 2 collide?
Kay
@Patricia Kayden:
I don’t follow sports but my husband and one of my sons do, and they tell with great assurance that the NFL is dying, that younger men aren’t watching. Evolve or die. Maybe Mike Pence wasn’t a smart target demographic after all.
I don’t know if you remember this but during the Bush Years media and Republicans all pointed to NASCAR as the recreation activity for Real Americans.
NASCAR is quietly dying:
Golf courses are dying too. There are two in this county that are being sold at “absolute auction”- that means they’ll take just about anything for them. They can’t give them away.
They have to cater to new customers or they die, and 70 year old white guys aren’t new customers.
TenguPhule
Its troubling when Putin doesn’t even try to go through the charades any more.
Steeplejack
@Waynski:
Wikipedia shows that Pirro was Westchester County district attorney (1994-2005) and judge of the Westchester County Court (1991-93).
BruceFromOhio
@TenguPhule:
Oh c’mon Mags, that’s just being lazy and lame. There are plenty of labels available for the taking, two-bit soulless ratfuck con man is the one I use and you are welcome to borrow it anytime you find a spine.
Cacti
@Kay:
NASCAR stopped reporting official race attendance figures about 4-years ago.
At their last race in Indianapolis, they drew about 35,000 fans to a venue that seats 200,000.
Shana
@Steeplejack: You’re right, but I don’t watch daytime TV, except the occasional movie while ironing, so I missed that.
Soprano2
@marcopolo: I’m really surprised Greitens resigned. Perhaps his wife gave him an ultimatum, or he might think this will salvage his political career. He still had to face the stealing charges – resigning doesn’t get him out of that.
Yutsano
So we’re gonna TBogg over a third-rate TV celebrity?
LET’S DO THIS!!!
Brachiator
@TenguPhule:
Wow. This is really breaking out the thesaurus to come up with this hierarchy of mendacity.
jl
@marcopolo: New radio talking pundit says Greitens more afraid of public revelations about his money and funders, than the abusive affair and associated crimes.
The new Gilded Age.
debbie
Was her standup routine anything like her character on the show?
SFAW
@TenguPhule:
Well, it’s either Crazy Rudy, or Moron Rudy, or Asshole Rudy.
And if THAT is not a great set-up for you, well …
это курам на смех
@Spanky: The black helicopters are not laughing.
Baud
@Yutsano: I’m in.
debbie
Finally, a tweet I can laugh my ass off about:
As if.
chopper
@BruceFromOhio:
see, i know from helicopters.
Steeplejack
@Yutsano:
Fix’d.
ETA: And, just in time . . .
ETFA: How the hell has there been a new open thread up for over an hour with no comments? WTF? Is Mayhew reader poison that much?
Yutsano
@Baud: I might as well. I had one tool break on me at work last week. Got that fixed today only to have ANOTHER tool I need go down. I’m pretty sure my computer doesn’t want me to work anymore.
Aleta
@Marcopolo: That’s cause for joy and a cold drink here too. What will he face now in the legal system?
Cckids
@Baud:
Little blonde girls, white rabbits & Red Queens.
ruemara
@debbie: No. I don’t ever recall her doing this when she was coming up. Something happened after 2008.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@TenguPhule:
”So the latest Serious Person defense of Trump is Trump is delusional? ROFL
IOKHJBSN – “It’s Okay, He’s Just Bat Shit Nuts”
Shana
@debbie: I had to go check and see if that was real. OMG, now he decides to try to do his job? Now?
MisterForkbeard
@debbie: How about focusing less on tweeting ridiculous bullshit? That seems like a better use of your time.
I like that literally all of the things Trump cited have worse outcomes since he got involved. And that the rest of his accusations have already been investigated and found baseless.
Kay
@Cacti:
Right? We have to inform DougJ. He loved “Nascar dads” so much.
I once went on a tour of the Indianapolis speedway. Dying businesses make me sad. There were these empty “press rooms” and the carpet was all frayed. It was really just the most depressing outing. Sports bore the hell out of me so I don’t care that’s there one less, but huge empty venues feel like the end of the world. That’s what NFL stadiums will be like. I’ll take the tour!
debbie
@Shana:
I know, right? I’m still practically choking with laughter.
TenguPhule
@SFAW:
All of em, Katie.
BruceFromOhio
@Shana: He woke up hungry from his nappy.
YetAnotherJay formerly (Jay S)
@Yutsano: 500 or bust.@BruceFromOhio: “self conning con man” works for me. Kinda like Tesla or Uber self driving cars.
Steeplejack
@Brachiator:
Is folderol in there? One of my personal favorites.
WaPo is rebuffing my attempts to read, even in a private tab.
Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady)
@Cacti: They paint the seats so it looks to TV cameras as if people are in them.
TenguPhule
@Enhanced Voting Techniques: They believe in the old saying “Your mind makes it real” forgetting that Trump lacks a mind of his own.
Kay
@debbie:
Political media say he focuses on Russia so much not because he’s feeling hunted and nervous (all criminal defendants feel hunted and nervous- understandably) but because he’s in command of the Russia narrative!
He’s not losing it because half his low quality hires are getting indicted, really, he’s WINNING!
These people.
debbie
@ruemara:
I heard an interview with her somewhere around that time. She was retired and running a macadamia farm in Hawaii and seemed pretty mellow. Unless she was pulling some Andy Kauffman-level bullshit. Who can tell any more?
BruceFromOhio
@Yutsano: The payment for the breaking news is Rosie’s mug all over everything for the next 24 hours, then the coverage of the backlash for the next 24. Yuck.
debbie
@Kay:
I know, i know. We’re making him obsess on his collusion. Poor baby.
Platonailedit
Twitler thug: Meet my latest
press secdaily liar. Sarah, you are fired.Aleta
@debbie:
Sent in the same breath as two Rigged Witch Hunt-TM tweets. So he got 3 mentions of the brand in, and the next one by him will be an unfocused rock slide of self-praise.
schrodingers_cat
@ruemara:Arguing about T with a T voter, not a pleasant activity.
@SFAW: A college friend who has moved back to the area, we were friends with both him and his wife. We got along fine except for when the discussion came to current politics, we did make it clear where we stood. Our friend is not the T base, slightly Bernie curious and never HRC type voter. He is still in denial about T’s true nature. She is originally from Mumbai and he is from the south.
Steeplejack
@Shana:
Sorry, not ragging on you personally, but I don’t like the whiff throughout this thread of “We don’t like this one thing this person did, so clearly she never accomplished much of anything (or is over the hill) and is a big loser!”
zhena gogolia
@marcopolo:
Das Trumpgold! My favorite opera.
Formerly disgruntled in Oregon
@Enhanced Voting Techniques: It’s the Costanza defense* – “Jerry… just remember, it’s not a lie if you believe it.”
*Warning: Not an actual legal defense
chopper
@debbie:
jesus he sounds like my 5 year old when he pretends to take office calls on his fisher price toy phone set.
Aleta
@Kay:
It’s all advertising and event promotion to these people; that’s how they measure work and accomplishment.
J R in WV
The minute I woke up and saw Betty Cracker’s post about Roseanne Barr, I instantly went to ABC.com’s contact page and sent them a message that I would only be watching their programming in order to select advertisers to boycott. Before I could post my comment on Betty’s post, the B-J squirrels went on strike and the DB error started.
But I’m taking credit for the quickest, most effective activist boycott in the history of modern political thought!!! Sent to ABC, and ABC called Roseanne and fired that bigot cold. Awesome!
I bet I wasn’t the first boycott promise they got, either. ‘Cause we sleep late sometimes. I was up really late last night, went to bed at 12 after the news and such. Got back up at 1:30 and spent a couple of hours surfing and reading, had a snack, went back to bed, laid there restlessly until probably 4. So I did my boycott message as soon as I could. Won’t look for her racist tweet, don’t need it will take Betty’s word for it.
I wish I had a copy of my message to ABC, they have a limit on the length of messages, so I had to deletd an adjective here to add information there, it kept me succinct, if you know what I mean. Lean AND mean! But polite and professional.
zhena gogolia
@debbie:
As I recall, she was never that great of a standup. The original show was good because of the writing, and Roseanne’s not-so-great acting was set off by the brilliance of Goodman and Metcalfe, and her striking persona carried the day.
MisterForkbeard
@Kay: The media is awful, as we know.
The investigation continues to show a breathtaking amount of questionable activities, unethical behavior and collusion – though it’s not all necessarily criminal. But this is basically what’s been happening since Day 1. It’s the same story, every day: Trump is incredibly corrupt and at the very least had his people doing really awful things.
Then you compare that to Trump, who shifts to a new (fake) outrage about the Russian investigation every day.
The 2nd one is much more exciting, so they cover it more and talk about it more often, instead of showing that literally everything we’ve found out is really, really bad – and that all we’ve seen is the public information about the case.
Beezus
@Betty Cracker:
Sorry if I am repeating what someone else may have left in the comments – but, apparently, all her re-runs are also being pulled from TV Land, Nick at Nite, etc. I feel bad for the people COUNTING on the residual income from repeats.
Steeplejack
@zhena gogolia:
That opening scene with Ivanka, Jethrene and Kellyanne as the Loreliars always gives me chills. Especially the part where Ivanka slips off the rocks and falls into the Rhine. But maybe that was just in the production I saw (Bayonne Dinner Theater, 2013).
zhena gogolia
@Steeplejack:
And Spicer as Alberich?
Steeplejack
@zhena gogolia:
Definitely. Not hard for someone to renounce love who never had a shot at it. Guffaw.
debbie
@zhena gogolia:
Yeah, I saw a few of her shows. I didn’t mind the working-class angle, but she was too screechy for my ears. I made it about halfway through the new series premier, and she was so difficult to watch.
Fair Economist
@Adam L Silverman:
I didn’t realize Judge Pirro was *that* person. And they gave her a TV show?
Fair Economist
@zhena gogolia: Way, way, back in the day, before the first Roseanne show, I really enjoyed her standup routines on TV (never saw her in person). She seemed intelligent and left-leaning at the time – I’d never have thought she’d end up like this.
Jack the Second
@Gelfling 545: None of those words is “Trump” so I’m not sure he’d read it.
Steve in the ATL
@Kay:
I am not yet 70 years old thank you very much Kay!
Just One More Canuck
@SFAW: por que no los tres
Jay
@sublime33:
Kathy Griffin’s world wide comedy tour is sold out, 8 months in advance of the last shows.
Mike in NC
Fuck Roseanne with Trump’s tiny dick. Maybe he will hire her to replace Possum Queen.
Ksmiami
@Mart: you still have conservative friends/family? …
J R in WV
@Mnemosyne:
I see them because lots of helicopters fly over around here – can’t have a 400,000,000 dragline idle for a $50,000 part when a helicopter can deliver it today… Also surveying for the oil and gas boom, spraying for the gas production lines and transmission lines, powerlines, etc. Come fall they’ll spend — waste — a lot of time and money searching for pot farms, also, too.
Life Flights, the Governor’s chopper, the DEP’s chopper, etc, etc.
So no Bolivian marching powder needed. Just slightly better than average hearing.
Mnemosyne
@Steeplejack:
Basically, Roseanne blew up her own career a second time — she blew it up last time by acting like a crazy narcissist and making bizarre demands. She spent about a decade in the wilderness, got some plastic surgery, and did some cameo roles to try and demonstrate she wasn’t crazy anymore.
It’s not that she wasn’t or isn’t talented. It’s that she’s a crazy (probably narcissistic) asshole who’s bent on professional self-destruction. She’s like a female Mickey Rourke — she squandered any goodwill that her talent created with her terrible off-camera behavior.
Steeplejack
@Mnemosyne:
We were talking about Sara Gilbert, for chrissakes.
chopper
damn open thread upstairs totally cock blocked the TBogg.
Steve in the ATL
@J R in WV: saw a black helicopter this weekend over St. Simons. Looked like a training exercise from Glynco, or maybe Adam keeping an eye on me.
@chopper: it’s not dead yet, oh ye of little faith
Damnit—should have made that a separate post!
Steve in the ATL
@Steeplejack: has she been in much since “little house on the prairie”?
SFBayAreaGal
This is someone else thoughts about Roseanne and I agree 100%
Roseanne has BEEN racist.
Why.
Are.
We.
Forgetting.
How.
Racist.
She.
Has.
Been?
She.
Largely.
Drove.
The.
Birther.
Movement.
Against.
President.
Obama.
Roseanne.
Is.
Also.
Transphobic.
And.
Blocks.
People.
When.
They.
Question.
Her.
ROSEANNE CAN GO, but ABC gets no cookies for realizing that she was a bigot years after she already told us she was a bigot. She made a bigoted statement and ABC knew backlash would occur. As a result, her show was canceled. Bigot yesterday, bigot today, bigot tomorrow.
wuzzat
@Fair Economist: The first Roseanne show was also often intelligent and left-leaning at the time. I honestly don’t know if she really changed that much or if her handlers were just better at their jobs back then.
Steeplejack
@Steve in the ATL:
You’re a right mixer, you are.
gorram
MSNBC has a live townhall with Hayes and Reid about everyday racism in America.
gorram
@wuzzat: IMO she got mixed up with anti-trans women conspiracy theorists and just kind of never recovered, allegedly a lot of third wave feminists sadly went down that rabbit hole and never came back. It’s deeply reminiscent of her current conspiratorial attitude especially with regards to calling people Nazis while being buddy-buddy with literal neo-Nazis, and also somehow viewing Soros as anti-Jewish. A lot of people in that anti-trans woman scene simultaneously think trans women were invented by the Nazis and are some sort of a Jewish plot, so it comes off similarly.
Mnemosyne
@Steeplejack:
Sorry, I lost the thread. For some reason I thought you were responding to debbie @ 345, not Shana further up. ?
Ruckus
@Kay:
There are a couple of other reasons, money being the big one. If you have a lot of it you can belong to a very private golf club. If you have a middling amount you have to play at one of the lower order clubs, like drumpf’s dumps. And Nascar has the same problem, fans getting older and new fans can’t afford the tickets/hotel costs, let alone the beer for the weekend. The country is starting to see the effects of the uber wealthy stealing every extra nickel and dime from everyone just as the boomers are starting to die off in bigger numbers. Smaller, poorer customer base not a good way to keep all that money flowing in. Besides anything that hurts the France family (own Nascar) is OK by me.
Mnemosyne
@wuzzat:
She had better writers and producers who were able to sit on her and minimize her nuttiness. Once she gained enough power, she managed to destroy her own show with her antics.
The most famous story at the end of her original show’s run was that she was firing writers so fast, she issued numbered t-shirts to the writing staff so she wouldn’t have to be bothered to learn the names of people she was going to fire anyway. And she never got less crazy, she just got less power to screw with people like that.
J R in WV
@Steve in the ATL:
Back home where I grew up, way back in the coal boom times the mine owners founded a country club on what was then the rural edge of town. It’s now bankrupt, sold at auction, no golfers left. There are a couple newer courses farther out of town, I don’t know how they’re doing.
Steve in the ATL
@Ruckus: bad news for nascar, good news for formula one?
Steeplejack
@Mnemosyne:
No problem. I make no defense of Roseanne Barr, and I don’t defend Sara Gilbert in this current hoo-ha. She had to know what a loose cannon Roseanne is, and the whole setup of the new show was like waving raw meat in front of a grizzly bear. Roseanne was bound to explode (again), especially (as you pointed out) once they could no longer keep her locked down on a daily basis.
But I didn’t like the vibe I perceived of moving from “Sara Gilbert bears some responsibility for this clusterfuck” to the personal (and fact-free) piling-on: “Poor thing, she hasn’t really done anything since the original show.” It’s gratuitous, and what’s the point?
BruceFromOhio
@SFBayAreaGal:
Totally agree, and that’s much more effective than the one-line one word thing you were rolling with, imnsho.
The other one I like is, a leopard doesn’t change it’s spots, though that was usually brought up in the event of philandering and con men.
I sense a trend.
BruceFromOhio
@chopper: I dunno man, still early in the ET, though we’re prolly gonna wander way, way OT to get there.
I remember the first Roseanne and how her sister character went from job to job, the kids grew up on screen, and how most of the time the family and conversation were on the ‘home’ set. It was definitely one of the go-to shows because Barr could be brash, sassy, and still show a human touch; the main topic thread of any given show was relatable because it was based on a real life I could understand, in contrast to All in the Family or Maude or, Gaia save us, Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman.. There was also space for other characters to grow and have their own story lines. How to separate that out from the dismal shitstains in real life, I’m uncertain. Do I now decide what I liked earlier is crap because of what I know now? What it was then hasn’t changed.
And holy smokes, there was never, ever anything like Hot L Baltimore.
Ruckus
@Steve in the ATL:
Formula One? Is that a baby food?
It’s never really been all that big here.
Nascar was a few years ago. But people started getting greedy, some in charge were/are pretty full of themselves, facilities were getting older, you might remember we had a not insignificant recession, my fellow boomers are starting to die off in greater numbers, and it is possible that people have grown somewhat tired of hanging around drunks (I think about half the people that showed up at a Nascar race went for the parties and barbecue.
Ruckus
@BruceFromOhio:
Damn another Hot l Baltimore fan!
Well that’s at least 2.
BruceFromOhio
@Steve in the ATL: Last summer, MrsFromOhio and I played hooky and went out on a sandbar near Sandusky, OH, on Lake Erie. We were just hanging out, hiking around and soaking up the sun, when we hear this most amazing mechanical sound. It’s not unusual to have all manner of aircraft flying through that sector, it’s one of the busier commercial corridors. But this was something way beyond that.
We look all around, and here comes a flight of four Chinooks along the shoreline in a 1-2-1 formation, cruising about angels 10, and scaring the crap out of the wildlife. It was both cool and formidable.
Steve in the ATL
@Ruckus: Rich people like open wheel racing; nascar is for rubes and trailer trash
Steve in the ATL
@BruceFromOhio: damn—four of them? That must have been some great coke!
JR
@randy khan: Toleration is not the opposite of intoleration, but is the counterfeit of it. Both are despotisms. The one assumes to itself the right of withholding liberty of conscience, and the other of granting it.
Tom Paine
Mnemosyne
@Steeplejack:
Like I said above, Gilbert made the common mistake of thinking an abusive asshole like Roseanne could be trusted to keep their word. Trump’s not the only narcissist who destroys or damages everyone who comes in contact with them.
BruceFromOhio
@Steve in the ATL: LOLolol no, but we were certainly having a good time out there. The sound of just one is pretty convincing, four of them together defies words, and they were running at a pretty good clip. That they just kept on going was also a good thing.
chopper
Ruckus
@Steve in the ATL:
This is true but there is far more trailer trash with no money these days and while it takes money to enjoy F1 I just don’t see F1 ever having the kind of draw that Nascar had a few years ago.
BruceFromOhio
@Ruckus: It was a secret, guilty pleasure, staying up late on school nights to hear swear words on network teevee.
Chopper, sorry man, but a TBogg unit is 500 comments. Totally dig the decor, though, reminds me of an acid trip while watching reruns of Time Tunnel.
chopper
@BruceFromOhio:
i know. i’m just trying to keep the mood up. there’s almost a hundo left and it’s petering out
chopper
to be fair i would have said ‘let’s TBogg this motherfucker’ but it wouldn’t have worked in the nesting boxes.
Yutsano
@BruceFromOhio: It’s an aspirational comment. And we’re getting there!
I mean, after Roseanne got herself immersed in juicy birfer goodness, it was only a matter of time until her brain got totally infected.
frosty
Never watched her first show, didn’t even thing of watching this one. During the first run, though, I had a lot of admiration for John Goodman. She was in the tabloids constantly and I never saw a peep from him on anything she did. A stand up guy.
ETA: and that’s my first contribution to a potential TBogg.
Steeplejack (phone)
And the dream dies hard.
Citizen Alan
@sublime33:
Are you seriously comparing the Dixie Chicks “I just want you to know I’m embarrassed that Bush is from Texas” to Roseanne’s “Valerie Jarrett looks like an ape”?
Citizen Alan
@zhena gogolia:
I’m old enough to remember Roseanne on Carson and thought she was really funny (in a female Jay Leno sort of way). It wasn’t until the National Anthem fiasco that I started picking up on the fact that she was bug-nuts crazy.
NotMax
@Ruckus
Acted in the play once. Enjoyed muchly what Conchata Ferrell brought to the part of April in tranposing it from her run on the stage to the short-lived TV show.
YetAnotherJay formerly (Jay S)
Not much chance of Tbogging this one, but I’ll do my part.
Roseanne appears to have gone on a Twitter tear after the firing and now is blaming it all on Ambien.