Dean Baquet says he warned younger NYT reporters about embracing Warren or Bernie. "They probably want a more political New York Times than I'm willing to give them." https://t.co/CTLEhfEXlL
— Peter Hamby (@PeterHamby) November 18, 2019
And it ain’t you or me; it’s the plutocrats who sign his paychecks:
The executive editor of the New York Times has accused Donald Trump of putting his reporters’ lives at risk by subjecting them to personal abuse and describing them as “enemies of the people”.
Dean Baquet, who has led the news outlet during one of the most tumultuous periods in its history, said the US president’s history of verbal attacks on journalists such as the New York Times’s political reporter Maggie Haberman was “appalling” and risked having serious consequences.
“I think his personal attacks on reporters, including Maggie, are pretty awful and pretty unpresidential,” he said. “I think personal attacks on journalists, when he calls them names, I think he puts their lives at risk…
[‘Doesn’t he understand that we’re on his side?’]
He acknowledged making mistakes in the 2016 election, having failed to grasp the anger in the US that led to the election of Trump, but said he was constantly fighting against pressure to “take a full-bodied side” against the president. “The way I see it is, our job is to cover the world with tremendous curiosity. And with a desire to understand the people who voted for Donald Trump and why they voted for Donald Trump. I think some of our readers want us to dismiss some of those people. I think that’s not empathetic coverage.”
Some of these rows have now affected the newsroom, which has seen an influx of younger reporters from more diverse backgrounds, prompting what Baquet believes is the biggest change in newsrooms since the Vietnam war in the 1960s. “We have a new generation that grew up in a different world that have not only different demands of their news, they want a different relationship with their readers.” …
Best news in the article is a throwaway line: “Baquet… will step down in two years’ time”.
Reminder:
This guy published excerpts of the book “Clinton Cash” in the NYT, a book written by white nationalist Steve Bannon that was used to smear Secretary Clinton before the 2016 election https://t.co/81Jokb05AR
— Patrick Karlson ?? (@PatrickAKarlson) November 19, 2019
Wait, how is a directive NOT to embrace Warren or Bernie… less political? Is it only political if it's left? Like something's only racialized if it's not-white and only gendered if it's not-male? https://t.co/b7C3CM51F7
— Rebecca Traister (@rtraister) November 19, 2019
Dean Baquet is staying right out here in the open that he is exerting political influence over his reporters. It’s “political” to exert influence on behalf of certain kinds of candidates over others. Period, full stop. https://t.co/Um2Who5HQD
— Adam Jentleson ?????? (@AJentleson) November 19, 2019
Is Donald Duck a duck?
I don't know. He talks like a duck. He walks like a duck. But is he merely trying to get the other ducks to follow along behind him? I'm not in his head enough to know. https://t.co/GM6HDy3AFM
— southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) November 18, 2019
Forget facts or integrity, the New York Times will call you a “star” if you please the right people. pic.twitter.com/nRig3C6zgC
— Adam Jentleson ?????? (@AJentleson) November 19, 2019
cain
I think though she’s fucked herself and her political career by attaching herself to Trump. As Ricky sez, “Everything Trump touches, dies”
NotMax
Dear Dean,
A newspaper which does not take a stand is a newspaper which stands for nothing.
David ??Booooooo?? Koch
Somehow he doesn’t have a problem with Axis Maggie Haberman embracing Dump
(((CassandraLeo)))
Fuck the fucking New York Times.
Ceterum censeo factionem Republicanam esse delendam.
David ??Booooooo?? Koch
“I don’t know. I think Donald Trump says racially divisive things. That’s a little bit different. I’m not in his head enough to know whether he says them because he wants to stoke his base.”
That’s exactly what NYT said about….. wait for it…… Hitler
“well-informed sources confirmed the idea that Hitler’s anti-Semitism was not so genuine or violent as it sounded, and that he was merely using anti-Semitic propaganda as a bait to catch masses of followers and keep them aroused, enthusiastic, and in line for the time when his organization is perfected and sufficiently powerful to be employed effectively for political purposes.”
NYT – November 21, 1922
(((CassandraLeo)))
@David ??Booooooo?? Koch: I should amend my post above to “Fuck the fucking Vichy New York Times.” I regret the error.
There are morons out there who think “Vichy New York Times” is some sort of slanderous hyperbole – apparently unaware of the self-same paper’s coverage of Hitler. Normally I don’t bring the term up because it’s inconvenient to have to keep linking those stories again and again. But maybe it’s worth the effort.
Ceterum censeo factionem Republicanam esse delendam.
Baud
Fixed.
Elizabelle
@Baud: Good morning Baud.
And — OT and belongs on the earlier Mina Chang thread, which is probably dead by now — but was following Dallas media on her. And, in a 2014 profile, she claimed to be a first responder in the Philippines. While battling brain cancer. I wonder if any of this is true.
Dallas Observer:
Singer-Turned-Activist Mina Chang Now Faces the Biggest Challenge of Her Life
WereBear
We’ve been screaming ourselves hoarse about this but nobody listened. Because we were only predicting, right? We’re just all shrill about nothing because there’s just NO WAY the “grown up party” (this is how Republicans branded themselves during the sixties and seventies) would embrace a deep-in-debt rich guy who is most famous for playing a jerk boss on TV.
Hey! Let’s make him EVERYONE’s jerk boss! That vetting thing didn’t really bite McCain in the ass, because mediocre white men ALWAYS win.
Baud
@Elizabelle:
Good morning.
mike shupp
It just wouldn’t be journalism if reporters tried to explain to Trump supporters precisely why liberals disagree with their beliefs. No reputable news organization would attempt such a daunting task, and it wouldn’t sell if they tried. Thus the modern day <I>New York Times</I> — “All he news that clicks.”
WereBear
You can’t explain anything to Trump supporters. He’s the living embodiment of their brain processes, which are whatever Faux News said last night.
That’s why they love him so. It’s like one of those movies where a character steps out of the screen and comes to life. “It’s like he saying everything I’m thinking.”
Yes, because he just repeats Fox like someone with echolalia.
You can’t explain anything to them. They ignore reason and logic and science, as they always wanted to. And now they get to attend rallies for THEM, about them, celebrating the good ol’ days when they had the color of their skin to feel proud about.
The more the Republicans grind them into the dirt, the more they will blame it on “enemies.” They aren’t good for anything but showing up on Election Day, but that they will do.
Just to get that sweetsweet vindication of some pouty blond (of any gender) telling them they are the true Rulers of the Universe.
Chetan Murthy
@(((CassandraLeo))): @David ??Booooooo?? Koch:
I learned something from that quote, that I didn’t know before. So thank you for that. We aren’t all as aware of that bit of history, so it’s useful to remind us …. slow learners.
Elizabelle
From The Guardian’s story:
But Trump was already President by then. We were already fucked. The story was 2 years too late.
And what, The Washington Post lacks credibility, because it does take a more adversarial role in its coverage of Trump?
And, as Kay reminds, Trump was in The Fuck the Fucking New York Times’ backyard. They may have thought him a buffoon, but what they actually missed was how he’d been able to rebrand himself to the rest of the country on a fake reality show.
They also served as mouthpieces for the GOP and rightwing sources who helped flame the deep “anger” that polarizes America. They legitimized the Tea Party.
Baquet and his reporters helped elect Donald Trump. The Guardian does not enumerate what Baquet said were “mistakes”, but there’s no reporting that they include the monomaniacal focus on emails, emails, emails. Or being taken in by an anonymous source in October 2016 that claimed Trump was not under FBI investigation. Which was clearly false. And that particular story has never had so much as a correction, years after the fact.
Also, the FTF NY Times is not “playing it straight” with its hyperfocus on balance or objectivity. What it is losing is its accuracy. The actual truth. They don’t look good now, and they are not going to look any better a few years from now.
Anyway, we know all this. Good to see Baquet getting some pushback on his tour to the farflung offices. Although Baquet serves at the pleasure of the Sulzbergers. They’re a nest of Clinton Derangement Syndrome types, and apparently abhor any attempt to bring the extraordinarily wealthy back to earth.
Butch
This piece isn’t specific to the NYT but it seems pretty pertinent; I thought maybe people here would appreciate it.
https://presswatchers.org/2019/11/press-corps-gets-played-again-helps-spread-white-house-lies-about-trumps-sudden-hospital-visit/
trnc
This is a obviously a lie, since media outlets like NYT and NPR actively worked to stir up animosity toward Clinton with strong insinuations that she was corrupt.
trnc
Exactly. Right wingers in the heartland paradise and those oppressed in liberal states are the only voters with legitimate grievances.
different-church-lady
@WereBear: I don’t think he was playing.
different-church-lady
Your job is to tell the truth. If Trump falls on the wrong side of the truth, then you must side against him or fail at your job. (Your job is not to wander around like a tourist going, “Wow, look at that!”)
You’ve just tacitly admitted that something is deeply wrong with voting for Trump and that doing so is inexplicable without focused study. Yet you refuse to draw any actual conclusions from all this study.
THE TRUTH ISN’T EMPATHY, YOU DUMB FUCKSTICK! DO YOR JOB.
AxelFoley
@different-church-lady: This. All this.
J R in WV
I’m actually grateful for Dean’s leadership of the NYT, as he has pretty much done their reputation as an objective outlet, disinterested in one side or the other, a reputation now in tatters yet again. Lessee,
Currently Maggie, the lady building up Trump as a business master who can run the nation like a “successful” business — except for those bankruptcies and all the fraud and the first one, the government deciding that Trump was illegally refusing to rent to people of color.
Then the lady who helped Cheney foment an illegal war in Iraq that is still going on, with our troops ordered to ignore securing all the arsenals and the museums chock full of ancient marvels to protect the Oil Ministry… by supporting the myriad lies about non-existent “Weapons of Mass Destruction”.
Then backing Mayor Mike and his illegal “Stop and Frisk” for black men and boys, which was going to stop crime, all the while the end of leaded fuel was already doing that. Other policing ventures, like putting people in jail for a broken window, or selling cigs on the street, or having a joint.
I’m about out of examples I can remember personally, and I don’t feel like researching it back into history, but we have seen that they loved Mr. Hitler from 1922 until 1938, and didn’t really stop loving the German-American Bund fascist movement until war was declared with Germany.
Oh, and there were no genocidal famines in Ukraine and Georgia because Uncle Joe (Stalin) shipped all of the harvest out of those states as it was gathered, so that those people had nothing once winter set in. Nothing like that happened, according to the Times. So those millions of deceased people didn’t even get an obit, they just disappeared. Kind of like the Armenians disappeared by the Ottoman Turks.
Thanks for all the objective news, Dean!!
Citizen Alan
To repeat myself once again, Dean Baqueit is the Clarence Thomas of journalism. A self loathing black man who has earned his place among the nation’s elite through his strong advocacy for white supremacy.
Major Major Major Major
Nit: Clinton Cash was not written by Steve Bannon
stinger
It’s been three years now. If you don’t “understand” those people yet, it’s either wilful or you are a moran. Step down from your position.
bcwbcw
After years of buying a delivery subscription to support journalism and hanging on through the Judy Miller Iraq war deceit, the far too prolonged antagonism and false equivalence on global warming, the Hillary email clouds and shadows stories, the “nothing to Russia” and finally the “here he turns presidential” and Jared and ivanka love notes, somehow it was just too much. My subscription is on permanent “vacation delivery hold” – renewed every six months – I can read online and am not sending them another dime.
JGabriel
@cain:
That’s not quite true. Once something dies, it doesn’t have to live with consequences the consequences any more – being, y’know, all dead-like’n’shit.
But everything Trump touches has to continue living with the mocking, the ridicule, the humiliation, the legal consequences, and the stink. That’s why I keep saying “Everything Trump Touches Turns To Shit.”
It doesn’t die, it just sits there, stankin’ up the world and decaying into a toxic sludge.
E4TS: Everything Trump Touches Turns To Shit.
different-church-lady
@JGabriel: The Ex-Lax Touch
retiredeng
Hands over my nose and mouth as I sneeze “bull****”…
Citizen Alan
duplicate comment.
mike shupp
@different-church-lady: You’ve just tacitly admitted that something is deeply wrong with voting for Trump and that doing so is inexplicable without focused study
OMG, I’m gonna remember that point (and use it myself)!
Uncle Cosmo
@David ??Booooooo?? Koch: As loath as I am to defend the Herrenvölkischer Beobachter, it should be noted that Der Führer learned the political uses of antisemitism from Karl “Der Schöne Karl” Lueger, whose last years as Mayor of Vienna overlapped Hitler’s first years there. The US Holocaust Museum website notes that Lueger’s antisemitism “was more practical and organizational than ideological;” there is a (possibly apocryphal) story that when someone pointed out that he had appointed a Jew to a position with the city, Lueger snapped, “I decide who is a Jew!”
TL;DR version: It was an easy & forgivable mistake to make – in 1922. A hundred years on, not so much.
Dev Null
@David ??Booooooo?? Koch: That 1922 Vichy Times column is bad enough, but one might – might – find a way to set it aside as a one-off exercise in bad judgment.
Way worse than bad judgment is the 20 August 1939 puff piece: Hitler at Home in the Clouds written years after Kristallnacht, 15 months after the Anschluss and 12 days before Hitler launched WWII by invading Poland.
mg_65
@different-church-lady: So much this. Exactly.