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Violent Insurrection at the Capitol

Will This Story Have Actual Legs (I Surely Hope So) Open Thread

by WaterGirl|  May 17, 202410:05 pm| 155 Comments

This post is in: Jan 6: Insurrection, Open Threads, Politics, Republican Politics, Supreme Court, Supreme Court Corruption, Violent Insurrection at the Capitol

Please please please let this story have legs.

“I’ve never heard anything like this in the entire history of every controversy I’ve ever known about with the United States Supreme Court.” Rachel Maddow reacts to a NYT report that an upside-down flag, a symbol of Stop The Steal, flew over Justice Alito’s house after Jan. 6. pic.twitter.com/TKb0FNumjm

— Alex Wagner Tonight (@WagnerTonight) May 17, 2024

half a h/t to Jackie because she sent me a TikTok from Facebook and I tracked it down on twitter.  The part where Rachel gets really serious is around 2 minutes, 18 seconds.

Gradually and then suddenly?  We can only hope.

Oh, and if you want something soothing and uplifting watch this.  I can’t recall who posted the link in a post earlier today.

Open thread.

*found the cartoon on twitter but also had it sent to me by TBone, so another half h/t for her!  You know what they say, half a h/t here, half a h/t there, pretty soon you’re talking about real hat tips!

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Three Years Ago Today, Jan 6, 2021

by WaterGirl|  January 6, 202410:21 am| 202 Comments

This post is in: Criminal Justice, Jan 6: Insurrection, Open Threads, Violent Insurrection at the Capitol

Attorney General Merrick Garland Speaks:

WATCH: Attorney General Garland speaks as U.S. marks three years since Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol pic.twitter.com/Hjil7rSHDp

— MSNBC (@MSNBC) January 5, 2024

At the time, we had no idea how close we came to nearly losing everything.

The Insurrection Hearings: Coming Soon To A Blog Near You (Open Thread)

Open thread.

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Two Peas, Same Pod

by WaterGirl|  December 5, 20231:55 pm| 169 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Politics, Trump Indictments, Violent Insurrection at the Capitol

The Speaker of the House, and Donald Trump: two peas in a pod.

The Speaker of the House Is An Open Insurrectionist.   (Past and future.)

I bring you the exact words of current Speaker of the House (transcribed by me):

As you know, we have to blur faces of some of the persons who participated in the events of that day because we don’t want them to be retaliated against, and be charged by the DOJ, and to have other concerns and problems.

Open support for the insurrection – at a fucking public press conference, by the Speaker of the House.

Watch it for yourself.  It’s even worse than reading the words.  Listen to the tone of his voice change in the clip – the Speaker is clearly outraged at the injustice – to him, it would be a travesty of justice if the people who stormed the capital suffer any consequences, let alone be charged with the crimes they committed.

The Speaker of the House is telling you they have to blur the faces of those who laid siege to the Capitol because they don’t want them to be held accountable for any crimes.pic.twitter.com/p2p0HUuq9V

— Jack E. Smith ⚖️ (@7Veritas4) December 5, 2023

 

DC Indictment News

The Former President, He Did It Before, He’ll Do It Again (via Jack Smith – in a DC Filing)

The Government will provide the defendant and the Court extensive advance notice of the intrinsic evidence it plans to introduce at trial, including through its exhibit and witness lists, motions in limine, and a detailed trial brief setting forth the Government’s planned trial presentation. In an abundance of caution, the Government below notices evidence that, although intrinsic to the charged crimes, pre- or post-dates the charged criminal conspiracies. If the Court were to find that any part of the noticed evidence below is extrinsic, the evidence is also admissible under Federal Rule of Evidence 404(b), because the Government will offer it not to show the defendant’s criminal propensity, but to establish his motive, intent, preparation, knowledge, absence of mistake, and common plan.

Sections from the filing (PDF)

IANAL, but it seems to me that Jack Smith has Trump coming and going.

A. Historical Evidence of the Defendant’s Consistent Plan of Baselessly Claiming Election Fraud

B. Historical Evidence of the Defendant’s Common Plan to Refuse to Commit to a Peaceful Transition of Power

C. Evidence of the Defendant and Co-Conspirators’ Knowledge of the Unfavorable Election Results and Motive and Intent to Subvert Them

D. Pre- and Post-Conspiracy Evidence That the Defendant and Co-Conspirators Suppressed Proof Their Fraud Claims Were False and Retaliated Against Officials Who Undermined Their Criminal Plans

E. Pre- and Post-Conspiracy Evidence of the Defendant’s Public Attacks on Individuals, Encouragement of Violence, and Knowledge of the Foreseeable Consequences

F. Post-Conspiracy Evidence of the Defendant’s Steadfast Support and Endorsement of Rioters

Time will tell, of course.  But in these dangerous times, I am very glad we have a functioning DOJ and Jack Smith.

Open thread.

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First (14th Amendment) Shot Fired Over the Bow

by WaterGirl|  August 27, 20231:50 pm| 56 Comments

This post is in: Jan 6: Insurrection, Open Threads, Trump Indictments, Violent Insurrection at the Capitol

First shot fired over the bow, regarding the 14th amendment.  And it’s not just fired at Donald Trump, but also at the hypocrites on the Supreme Court.

Lawrence A. Caplan v Donald J. Trump  (PDF)

My summary of the part of the filing that addresses conservative members of the Supreme Court itself:

“You pretend to call yourselves strict constructionists.  You overturned Roe v. Wade because a strict interpretation of the constitution doesn’t include a right to privacy.  Do you guys have the balls to rule based on the constitution?”

I’m glad to see some formal actions being taken.  I hope there are many, many more.

Florida lawyer files challenge to disqualify Trump from 2024 race, citing 14th Amendment

Open thread.

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It’s All Gonna Come Out

by WaterGirl|  August 23, 20237:35 pm| 130 Comments

This post is in: Jan 6: Insurrection, Open Threads, Trump Indictments, Violent Insurrection at the Capitol

I think we have just passed the tipping point on J6, the coup, everything.  It sure seems like the floodgates are opening, and it’s all gonna come out.

Does it seem that way to you?

I think they thought their bluff was going to continue to work, that they were really gonna get away with it,   Now that shit is getting real, they are turning on one another.  What is it about the Fulton County, GA case that it seems to have had this effect?  Or is it just timing, that it’s the 4th indictment, with possibly more to come?

What fun pieces of news about this have you heard today?  I have mostly had my nose to the grindstone today, so I would love to hear every juicy detail.

Short list of what I’ve heard: Mark Meadows was the ring-leader for J6, Employee #4 no longer has a Trump lawyer and has changed his tune, which screws Trump, Nauta and the cute guy whose name I can never remember.

Open thread.

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Section 3 Is Self-Executing (Please Let It Be So)

by WaterGirl|  August 19, 20233:35 pm| 155 Comments

This post is in: Jan 6: Insurrection, Open Threads, Politics, Trump Indictments, Violent Insurrection at the Capitol

"As of this moment, under the professor's reading of Section 3 and of my reading and Professor Tribe's, the former president is disqualified from holding the office of the presidency in 2024," @judgeluttig tells @AliVelshi. https://t.co/Hai9kn5Zyn pic.twitter.com/SZEPfnJZA4

— MSNBC (@MSNBC) August 19, 2023

The Constitution Prohibits Trump From Ever Being President Again

The only question is whether American citizens today can uphold that commitment.

by J. Michael Luttig and Laurence H. Tribe

As students of the United States Constitution for many decades—one of us as a U.S. Court of Appeals judge, the other as a professor of constitutional law, and both as constitutional advocates, scholars, and practitioners—we long ago came to the conclusion that the Fourteenth Amendment, the amendment ratified in 1868 that represents our nation’s second founding and a new birth of freedom, contains within it a protection against the dissolution of the republic by a treasonous president.

This protection, embodied in the amendment’s often-overlooked Section 3, automatically excludes from future office and position of power in the United States government—and also from any equivalent office and position of power in the sovereign states and their subdivisions—any person who has taken an oath to support and defend our Constitution and thereafter rebels against that sacred charter, either through overt insurrection or by giving aid or comfort to the Constitution’s enemies.

The historically unprecedented federal and state indictments of former President Donald Trump have prompted many to ask whether his conviction pursuant to any or all of these indictments would be either necessary or sufficient to deny him the office of the presidency in 2024.

Having thought long and deeply about the text, history, and purpose of the Fourteenth Amendment’s disqualification clause for much of our professional careers, both of us concluded some years ago that, in fact, a conviction would be beside the point. The disqualification clause operates independently of any such criminal proceedings and, indeed, also independently of impeachment proceedings and of congressional legislation. The clause was designed to operate directly and immediately upon those who betray their oaths to the Constitution, whether by taking up arms to overturn our government or by waging war on our government by attempting to overturn a presidential election through a bloodless coup.

The former president’s efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election, and the resulting attack on the U.S. Capitol, place him squarely within the ambit of the disqualification clause, and he is therefore ineligible to serve as president ever again. The most pressing constitutional question facing our country at this moment, then, is whether we will abide by this clear command of the Fourteenth Amendment’s disqualification clause.

We were immensely gratified to see that a richly researched article soon to be published in an academic journal has recently come to the same conclusion that we had and is attracting well-deserved attention outside a small circle of scholars—including Jeffrey Sonnenfeld and Anjani Jain of the Yale School of Management, whose encouragement inspired us to write this piece. The evidence laid out by the legal scholars William Baude and Michael Stokes Paulsen in “The Sweep and Force of Section Three,” available as a preprint, is momentous. Sooner or later, it will influence, if not determine, the course of American constitutional history—and American history itself.

Written with precision and thoroughness, the article makes the compelling case that the relevance of Section 3 did not lapse with the passing of the generation of Confederate rebels, whose treasonous designs for the country inspired the provision; that the provision was not and could not have been repealed by the Amnesty Act of 1872 or by subsequent legislative enactments; and that Section 3 has not been relegated by any judicial precedent to a mere source of potential legislative authority, but continues to this day by its own force to automatically render ineligible for future public office all “former office holders who then participate in insurrection or rebellion,” as Baude and Paulsen put it.

Among the profound conclusions that follow are that all officials who ever swore to support the Constitution—as every officer, state or federal, in every branch of government, must—and who thereafter either “engaged in insurrection or rebellion” against the Constitution or gave “aid and comfort to the enemies” of that Constitution (and not just of the United States as a sovereign nation) are automatically disqualified from holding future office and must therefore be barred from election to any office.

Regardless of partisan leaning or training in the law, all U.S. citizens should read and consider these two simple sentences from Section 3:

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Read the whole thing.  It’s long, but worth it.

Open thread.

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So Now We Know Why Grassley Was So Sure He Would Be In Charge on Jan 6?

by WaterGirl|  August 9, 20234:40 pm| 143 Comments

This post is in: Jan 6: Insurrection, Politics, Trump Indictments, Violent Insurrection at the Capitol

I can’t help but wonder – if Pence hadn’t been available because he, let’s say, got in the vehicle with the Secret Service as they had wanted him to, would Pence simply not being available (or worse! … hang Mike Pence) have eliminated the need to actually recuse himself?

The more we learn, the more I shudder at the thought of what would have happened that day if even one of the things that went our way hadn’t gone our way.  How naive I was, to be confident that we would get it all under control.  It was stressful and it was distressing and it was worrisome, but in my mind the only question was how long it was going to take to get things under control.

I feel kind of sick just thinking about how bad it really was.

We dodged a bullet, though sadly it cost some of the capital defenders their lives, their good health, and their peace of mind.

I hope the bastard and all his accomplices and all of his minions land in jail for a very long time.

The idea for Pence to recuse and allow Grassley take over on January 6th came from Ken Chesebro.

He proposed it in an email to Rudy Giuliani on Dec 13, which he also sent to John Eastman on Jan 2nd, and again on Jan 4th.

One of Eastman’s Chapman emails:https://t.co/1LXyZQqnkP pic.twitter.com/vRW5RPVgU2

— ClearingTheFog (@clearing_fog) August 8, 2023

Open thread.

 

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