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You are here: Home / Politics / America / David Clarke, Useless Idiot for Putin’s Active Measures Campaign and Flair Aficionado Extraordinaire, Once Again Decides to Promote American Sedition

David Clarke, Useless Idiot for Putin’s Active Measures Campaign and Flair Aficionado Extraordinaire, Once Again Decides to Promote American Sedition

by Adam L Silverman|  December 12, 20184:31 pm| 139 Comments

This post is in: America, Ammosexuals, Domestic Politics, Election 2016, Foreign Affairs, Gun nuts, Open Threads, Politics, Popular Culture, Post-racial America, Silverman on Security, Not Normal

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Everyone’s favorite flair aficionado, plagiarist, former Milwaukee County Sheriff, and useless idiot in Vladimir Putin’s active measures campaign against the United States, has once again decided to share his deep and profound thoughts promoting American sedition.

What's happening in France will look like childs play if the deep state tries to undo the 2016 election by MANUFACTURING a way to remove @realDonaldTrump before 2020.
They are underestimating the resolve of Trump's supporters. Like in France, people will only put up with so much. pic.twitter.com/6begUZacJm

— David A. Clarke, Jr. (@SheriffClarke) December 8, 2018

You all may remember Sheriff Clarke from his paid for by Russia visit to Russia to meet with a number of Russian government officials as part of an NRA junket that was cover for Russia’s penetration of the NRA as part of its active measures campaign against the US. Here’s some pics to jog the memory:

(David Clarke arm in arm with Mariia Butina. Also pictured on the left former NRA President David Keene and Russian oligarch and organized crime leader Alexander Torshin)

(David Clarke sitting with Mariia Butina)

(David Clarke, Mariia Butina, and David Keene)

And exactly who was it that David Clarke and that NRA delegation was meeting with in addition to Torshin and Butina?

(David Clarke and NRA officials meeting with Russian officials)

December 8th is not the first time that Clarke called for armed rebellion to achieve the political objectives he supports.

It's incredible that our institutions of gov, WH, Congress, DOJ, and big media are corrupt & all we do is bitch. Pitchforks and torches time pic.twitter.com/8G5G0daGVN

— David A. Clarke, Jr. (@SheriffClarke) October 15, 2016

As I wrote at the time:

You remember Sheriff Clark, the (sheriffs aren’t actualyl mentioned in the) Constitutional Sheriff and Peace Officers Association Law Enforcer of the Year Award Winner? You know, the tough guy that tried to call in the Wisconsin National Guard about six weeks ago even though he was not the law enforcement officer in charge of what was happening in Milwaukee with demonstrations, protests, and riots? The actual officer in charge would be Milwaukee Chief of Police Edward A Flynn. And he had this to say about Sheriff Clarke:

“Nobody has got more to say about law enforcement and less to do with it,” Flynn said of Clarke, calling him a self-serving man who seeks “celebrity.”

Sheriff Clarke would be the tough guy that had an inmate die of thirst in the jail*, the oversight of which is one of his few actual primary responsibilities, because his subordinates specifically and purposely cut off water to the inmate’s cell – an inmate who was mentally ill.

So what is it that Sheriff Clarke actually does/is actually supposed to be doing? His actual jurisdictionis running the jail, providing security at municipal facilities, and patrolling a part of the interstate as it runs through Milwaukee County.

“By statute and by practice, the sheriff plays only a limited role as a traditional law enforcement agency,” Abele said in his budget remarks to the County Board on Sept. 29, 2011.

“For example, in 2009 the sheriff reported only 12 crimes to the FBI, compared to 41,000 for the City of Milwaukee and 3,200 for West Allis, and even 242 for the UWM Police Department.”

There are no unincorporated areas in Milwaukee County and each of these incorporated municipalities have their own police departments.

Last year, the administration of Milwaukee County Executive Chris Abele released some eyebrow-raising statistics on the Sheriff’s Department, noting that:

  • Milwaukee is the state’s only county with no unincorporated area, meaning there are municipal police patrolling every part of the county. Besides Milwaukee, there are 18 suburban police forces in action.
  • In 2009, the sheriff reported only 19 crimes to the FBI, compared to 41,375 for the Milwaukee police, 3,288 for West Allis police, 1,908 for Wauwatosa and even 242 for the UW-Milwaukee police. That’s right, the UWM campus police handled 12 times more criminals than the Sheriff’s Department.
  • Just 10 percent of Sheriff David Clarke’s requested property tax levy was for police services. As Abele put it, “the sheriff plays only a limited role as a traditional law enforcement agency.”

The deputy sheriffs staff the Milwaukee County Jail and County Correctional Facility South (formerly House of Correction), handle the courthouse’s system of bailiffs, and patrol the freeways.

Earlier in the day he was complaining about how long it took his NICS check to go through so he could buy a new AR pattern rifle. Insinuating that this is not how law enforcement should be treated (because, you know, they’re not just citizens too or something).

Had INSTANT background check today to pick up new AR-15. ATF delayed 6 days for a cop. Third check this year. Last 2 took 3 days. Nice.

— David A. Clarke, Jr. (@SheriffClarke) October 15, 2016

In case anyone was wondering, NICS checks for gun purchases are done by the FBI – law enforcement genius!

It remains to be seen whether Butina’s plea agreement to fully cooperate will ensnare Clarke, but one can hope.

The documents describe Butina’s efforts to build ties with a “gun rights organization,” which has been identified as the NRA, and “Political Party 1,” which the document makes clear is the Republicans.

The documents confirms previous reporting that Butina helped orchestrate a trip by NRA members to Moscow in December 2015.

During the Moscow trip, she helped set up a meeting between prominent NRA members and Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov.

After that meeting, the agreement said, Butina sent Torshin a message, which was translated as saying, “We should let them express their gratitude now, we will put pressure on them quietly later.”

Clarke may want to spend a little less time spouting off on twitter and a little more time consulting with a high calibre attorney who specializes in national security matters.

Open thread!

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  1. 1.

    jl

    December 12, 2018 at 4:43 pm

    Thanks for info. I hope a front page poster has time for a similar item on Giuliani’s weird and ongoing monkey business in Russia, so we can have a matched set. Matched sets are more valuable when we sell our BJ memorabilia of these historic times to our grand kids. And what I expect from a full service blog.

  2. 2.

    germy

    December 12, 2018 at 4:43 pm

    Had INSTANT background check today to pick up new AR-15. ATF delayed 6 days for a cop. Third check this year.

    How many weapons does he need?

  3. 3.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 12, 2018 at 4:44 pm

    @jl: He’s in Bahrain right now. I’m following it.

  4. 4.

    germy

    December 12, 2018 at 4:44 pm

    Has anyone produced a set of trading cards featuring this cast of characters? Like baseball cards with their photos and stats. “Collect ’em all!”

  5. 5.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 12, 2018 at 4:44 pm

    @germy: The bigger issue is that he has no idea who actually runs the NICS system. It’s not the BATF.

  6. 6.

    SFAW

    December 12, 2018 at 4:45 pm

    @germy:

    How many weapons does he need?

    “How many you got?”

  7. 7.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 12, 2018 at 4:45 pm

    @germy:
    https://www.amazon.com/KNOW-YOUR-DEPLORABLES-Playing-Cards/dp/B0773S4BY8

  8. 8.

    Yarrow

    December 12, 2018 at 4:46 pm

    But he wears so much flair! How could he possibly not be a top notch law enforcement professional?

  9. 9.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 12, 2018 at 4:46 pm

    @germy: @SFAW: SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!!!!!!

    Tassels are okay though.

  10. 10.

    jl

    December 12, 2018 at 4:47 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Didn’t mean to imply you had to do it. Rudes is up to so much, might take half the front poster staff to do a good post on Rudes. With Cole helping out with the cuss words and invective, and Cracker on catch phrases.

  11. 11.

    oldfritz

    December 12, 2018 at 4:48 pm

    Whenever I read about some yoyo calling for armed rebellion against the United States, I wonder about their grasp of reality. Armed rebellion would be answered by military force, force that the US has in mind-boggling quantity. Even many local police departments have tanks.

  12. 12.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 12, 2018 at 4:48 pm

    @Yarrow: Gotta beat the man to be the man!

    Wait, sorry, wrong Flair…

  13. 13.

    jl

    December 12, 2018 at 4:49 pm

    @Yarrow: Bling bling has a long history. Let’s not get to disrespecting old-school bling. It gives things a high toned atmosphere.

  14. 14.

    TenguPhule

    December 12, 2018 at 4:49 pm

    Can’t swing a dead cat at any of the NRA’s events without hitting a few Russians who more often then not are now as dead as that cat.

  15. 15.

    SFAW

    December 12, 2018 at 4:49 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    He’s in Bahrain right now.

    “I wanna meet the Shah! Where is he? Too high-and-mighty to meet ‘America’s Lawyer Mayor’?”

  16. 16.

    germy

    December 12, 2018 at 4:49 pm

    I like the stock photo he chose of “angry crowd with torches and sticks” because it’s at least diverse. White, Black, young, old, male, female…

    Either he felt he had to bow to political correctness or it was the only stock photo he could find.

  17. 17.

    Immanentize

    December 12, 2018 at 4:51 pm

    @germy: like the Iraq invasion cards? I have a set of those somewhere….

  18. 18.

    A Ghost To Most

    December 12, 2018 at 4:51 pm

    The best part is that because all these winger orgs are connected, with common players, and they’ve been ratfucking America for decades, there are threads to pull everywhere. A target-rich environment. It is to laugh.

  19. 19.

    germy

    December 12, 2018 at 4:51 pm

    Was “black leather vest over pink, untucked shirt” ever a thing?

    He’s got quite an eye for fashion. Marches to the beat of his own drummer, I guess you could say…

  20. 20.

    TenguPhule

    December 12, 2018 at 4:52 pm

    Clarke may want to spend a little less time spouting off on twitter and a little more time consulting with a high calibre attorney who specializes in national security matters.

    AR & AK AAL, 15 and 47 years in the making.

  21. 21.

    TenguPhule

    December 12, 2018 at 4:53 pm

    @A Ghost To Most:

    A target-rich environment.

    Bobbing for goldfish in a barrel with sticks of dynamite.

  22. 22.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 12, 2018 at 4:53 pm

    @jl: There are two distinct issues. The first is that he appears to have had ongoing ties to oligarchs in Russia and other post Soviet states going back at least a decade, contacts that seem to include money flowing into his bank accounts, that had been previously unreported. The second is that he’s currently out trying to drum up business from some of the authoritarian leaders of some of the worst countries and he is clearly doing so now to capitalize on his being the President’s personal attorney. And while he keeps making statements he’s not representing the US, that he’s the most ethical person, that clients won’t get any access to the President through him, none of that passes the smell or laugh tests. This leads to a third issue, which is what, exactly, Giulian’s security consultancy actually does. What does Rudy get for all the large dollar amount consulting agreements. He clearly knows nothing about cyber security. He had repeatedly demonstrated he knows very little about counterterrorism and anti-terrorism. Despite his claims regarding what he did to reduce crime in NY, he also clearly had no idea about best practices for law enforcement. So what exactly is Rudy selling?

  23. 23.

    germy

    December 12, 2018 at 4:54 pm

    Is Clarke next in line to be probed by Mueller?

    http://www.phillytrib.com/news/across_america/is-sheriff-david-clarke-next-on-mueller-s-russia-probe/article_12b54d0f-aa63-5f05-adbd-79fa55d21851.html

  24. 24.

    A Ghost To Most

    December 12, 2018 at 4:55 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Thanks. My wife needs new playing cards.

  25. 25.

    Immanentize

    December 12, 2018 at 4:55 pm

    @germy:. I thought that picture was odd too. But I think it’s the same as with some of our Jewish co-citizens who support Trump — Clarke cannot imagine that the people he pals around with would ever come for him.

  26. 26.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 12, 2018 at 4:55 pm

    @oldfritz: It isn’t just the government response these morons have to worry about. They make the assumption that anyone who doesn’t agree with them does not have their own weapons and/or would be unwilling/unable to use them.

  27. 27.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 12, 2018 at 4:56 pm

    @SFAW: Wrong side of the Persian Gulf.

  28. 28.

    jl

    December 12, 2018 at 4:56 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Cybersecurity smarts, particularly on internet domain names. That’s my guess.
    And, I’ll never complain about this not being a full service blog again, at least until the next time. Thanks.

    Edit: I think Giuliani as some cyber security position in the Trump admin? Rudes knows the cyber.

  29. 29.

    germy

    December 12, 2018 at 4:57 pm

    @Immanentize:

    Clarke cannot imagine that the people he pals around with would ever come for him.

    I think that’s why he wears the cowboy hat like a magic talisman. Wards off evil (members of his “base” who would stomp him if they didn’t recognize him).

  30. 30.

    Chyron HR

    December 12, 2018 at 4:57 pm

    I thought syphilis was treatable.

  31. 31.

    Gin & Tonic

    December 12, 2018 at 4:58 pm

    Does that banner say “comrads”??

  32. 32.

    A Ghost To Most

    December 12, 2018 at 4:58 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: And that, like most of their assumptions, is wrong.

  33. 33.

    ruemara

    December 12, 2018 at 4:59 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Fringe is so tacky tho.

  34. 34.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 12, 2018 at 4:59 pm

    @germy:

    Is Clarke next in line to be probed

    Like this?

  35. 35.

    SFAW

    December 12, 2018 at 5:01 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Wrong side of the Persian Gulf.

    As if Rudy would know that. Which was the point.

  36. 36.

    Platonailedit

    December 12, 2018 at 5:02 pm

    Is this clown worth a post?

  37. 37.

    NotMax

    December 12, 2018 at 5:02 pm

    Meanwhile, in Egypt, sales of yellow vests severely restricted and jail time for wearing one.

  38. 38.

    SFAW

    December 12, 2018 at 5:03 pm

    @Gin & Tonic:

    Does that banner say “comrads”??

    Noticed that, did you? It’s because it was easier to spell than “tovarishchshchshch.”

  39. 39.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 12, 2018 at 5:03 pm

    @jl:

  40. 40.

    Martin

    December 12, 2018 at 5:03 pm

    @germy:

    How many weapons does he need?

    How many Democrats are there?

  41. 41.

    Yarrow

    December 12, 2018 at 5:04 pm

    I remember this tweet from 2015:

    Red Square near the Kremlin with a Russian officer. Met earlier with Russian Foreign Minister who spoke on Mid East. pic.twitter.com/ZcDdQB65lb— David A. Clarke, Jr. (@SheriffClarke) December 10, 2015

    Because, you know, what Sheriff doesn’t go to Russia to meet with their foreign minister and pose for photos with Russian officers.

  42. 42.

    zombie rotten mcdonald

    December 12, 2018 at 5:04 pm

    Clarke is no longer sheriff, so he’s just a plain old citizen now, too. Suck it up, buttercup.

  43. 43.

    SFAW

    December 12, 2018 at 5:04 pm

    @jl:

    Rudes knows the cyber.

    Barron learned him all that stuff.

  44. 44.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 12, 2018 at 5:04 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: Yes, in Russia spellcheck checks you. Or something.

  45. 45.

    Flanders Other Neighbor

    December 12, 2018 at 5:05 pm

    Property tax levy? It was a common sight 20 years ago to see Sheriff’s cars hiding behind overpasses and stacked up down the road a bit to be handing out speeding tickets anyone dumb enough to go more than five over on I-94. Then I move to CA and CHP seems to take the hands-off approach as long as nobody is doing anything stupid.

  46. 46.

    NotMax

    December 12, 2018 at 5:05 pm

    @Adam L. Silverman

    So what exactly is Rudy selling?

    Smock and mirrors.

  47. 47.

    Immanentize

    December 12, 2018 at 5:06 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:
    Passion Fish : Best movie monologue ever — “I didn’t ask for the anal probe.”

  48. 48.

    Platonailedit

    December 12, 2018 at 5:07 pm

    @zombie rotten mcdonald:

    Bj’s first fucking Clarke troll?

  49. 49.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 12, 2018 at 5:08 pm

    @Platonailedit: I was bored. And didn’t feel like doing a deep dive into either the Giuliani thing or Katyal’s presidential indictment analysis. So I figured making fun of Clarke was good for a few minutes worth of diversion.

  50. 50.

    A Ghost To Most

    December 12, 2018 at 5:08 pm

    @NotMax: Rudy is trying to sell any story that keeps him out of jail. He and the NYC FBI office got some ‘splainin’ to do.

  51. 51.

    kindness

    December 12, 2018 at 5:09 pm

    I thought Clarke was no longer Sheriff. I thought he ‘retired’ last year. This piece makes it sound like he’s still employed there.

  52. 52.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 12, 2018 at 5:09 pm

    @Platonailedit: Can’t tell if that’s addressed to me or Clarke. If me, then the commenter needs to learn to read as I made it clear he’s a former sheriff.

  53. 53.

    NotMax

    December 12, 2018 at 5:09 pm

    @Adam L. Silverman

    So what exactly is Rudy selling?

    Certainly not glamor.

    :)

  54. 54.

    germy

    December 12, 2018 at 5:10 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: So, he’s no longer a sheriff. Does he earn a living from speaking engagements? A pension? Invested wisely during his law enforcement days?

    I’m always curious how these characters make their money.

  55. 55.

    Platonailedit

    December 12, 2018 at 5:10 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Gotcha.

  56. 56.

    Aleta

    December 12, 2018 at 5:10 pm

    @germy: I’ve been surprised there’s no set of Wanted cards like the ones that GW’s people proudly made up for the US Occupation of Iraq. (Those weren’t playing cards; might have been “morale boosters.”) But come to think of it those war criminals could be one suit in the same deck with the traitors. Maybe financial crime artists as another suit. That leaves assorted Republican politicians who fall under other miscellaneous crimes against democracy. Demon-ridden hearts with holes in them for their suit.

  57. 57.

    Immanentize

    December 12, 2018 at 5:10 pm

    @Platonailedit: Are you mistaking this blog for one where people
    1) care what you personally value as post-worthy or
    2) actually stay on topic in the comments?

  58. 58.

    A Ghost To Most

    December 12, 2018 at 5:12 pm

    @germy: Russia. And wingnut welfare.

  59. 59.

    Yarrow

    December 12, 2018 at 5:14 pm

    @Aleta: I think someone could make and market dart boards. Put the peripheral players on the outside ring, people like Cohen and Manafort closer to the middle, Traitor Tots next and then Trump as bullseye.

  60. 60.

    zhena gogolia

    December 12, 2018 at 5:14 pm

    @germy:

    Great idea!

  61. 61.

    NotMax

    December 12, 2018 at 5:14 pm

    @Aleta

    Continue to wonder how much they overpaid some loyalist brown nose to print those.

  62. 62.

    MomSense

    December 12, 2018 at 5:17 pm

    I will jump for joy of the NRA goes down.

  63. 63.

    NotMax

    December 12, 2018 at 5:18 pm

    @Yarrow

    There’s a variant on Whack-a-mole crying out to be manufactured.

  64. 64.

    Yarrow

    December 12, 2018 at 5:19 pm

    @MomSense: RICO.

  65. 65.

    germy

    December 12, 2018 at 5:20 pm

    @zhena gogolia: They could sell them with bubblegum, so they’d have that nice bubblegum smell…

  66. 66.

    rikyrah

    December 12, 2018 at 5:22 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    So what exactly is Rudy selling?

    Ask it, Silverman.
    Ask it!

  67. 67.

    MomSense

    December 12, 2018 at 5:22 pm

    @Yarrow:

    Suave!

    That’s what we call it at home anyway.

  68. 68.

    NotMax

    December 12, 2018 at 5:23 pm

    @germy

    Ah, the infamous Topps or Fleer ‘careful or else you’ll lacerate the roof of your mouth’ gum.

  69. 69.

    MomSense

    December 12, 2018 at 5:24 pm

    @Yarrow:

    Not to be too serious but I’ve been harassed by gun nuts since Sandy Hook and I’m furious.

  70. 70.

    zhena gogolia

    December 12, 2018 at 5:25 pm

    @germy:

    And on the back there would be the stats of exactly who they are in relation to Trump, Putin, Rohrabacher, McConnell, etc.

  71. 71.

    rikyrah

    December 12, 2018 at 5:25 pm

    @MomSense:

    R-I-C-O!!!!

  72. 72.

    schrodingers_cat

    December 12, 2018 at 5:26 pm

    OT: Totally unrelated to Sheriff Clarke
    Modi’s party lost big in state level elections in 5 states and lost control of 3 important states in the Hindi belt. I am drinking RWNJ tears on Twitter.
    Also from Twitter: BJP friendly talking heads on yesterday’s election

    “We will win by big margin.”
    “We will win.”
    “These are early trends.”
    “Still early trends.”
    “Let us wait for final count.”
    “We are doing better than expected.”
    “Anti-incumbency, so expected.”
    “Defeat not as big as expected.”
    “This will not affect 2019.”

    ETA: The Loksabha (Like the House of Commons) are next year.

  73. 73.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 12, 2018 at 5:27 pm

    @kindness: This is from the first sentence of the post. Emphasis mine:

    Everyone’s favorite flair aficionado, plagiarist, former Milwaukee County Sheriff, and useless idiot

  74. 74.

    NotMax

    December 12, 2018 at 5:28 pm

    @schrodingers_cat

    One might even say his party didn’t curry favor.

  75. 75.

    MomSense

    December 12, 2018 at 5:28 pm

    @rikyrah:

    You have no idea how much I want those fuckers to burn for their treason.

  76. 76.

    Platonailedit

    December 12, 2018 at 5:29 pm

    @Immanentize:

    Neither. How about you? Since you cared enough to ask me.

  77. 77.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 12, 2018 at 5:29 pm

    @germy: He’s currently working for one of the SuperPACs set up to support the President.

  78. 78.

    germy

    December 12, 2018 at 5:30 pm

    @MomSense: Are you the commenter who spoke up at a town meeting and saw a pickup truck circling your block? I seem to recall one of the commenters here had that experience.

  79. 79.

    Aleta

    December 12, 2018 at 5:31 pm

    @germy: Idea for new gun restriction: Each semi-automatic purchase requires the next step in an increasingly longer and wider series of background checks. Number of boxes of ammo could be cumulative too. Not saying this would make ‘the problem’ disappear.

  80. 80.

    trollhattan

    December 12, 2018 at 5:31 pm

    @germy:
    And that guy with an axe handle. Channeling his inner Lester Mattox? Shee-yitt.

  81. 81.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 12, 2018 at 5:33 pm

    @Aleta: Here you go:
    https://www.amazon.com/KNOW-YOUR-DEPLORABLES-Playing-Cards/dp/B0773S4BY8

  82. 82.

    Frankensteinbeck

    December 12, 2018 at 5:33 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    It isn’t just the government response these morons have to worry about.

    Maybe more importantly, all but a tiny handful of them are chickenshits who cling to their guns exactly because they are too terrified to act.

  83. 83.

    NotMax

    December 12, 2018 at 5:34 pm

    About to settle in with some juicy 1950s film noir, The Big Combo, on Amazon Prime via the Roku. Cornel Wilde, Brian Donleavy, Richard Conte, Lee Van Cleef, et al.

    Y’all play nice. Or a reasonable facsimile thereof.   ;)

  84. 84.

    sukabi

    December 12, 2018 at 5:35 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: access, that’s what he’s selling.

  85. 85.

    SFAW

    December 12, 2018 at 5:35 pm

    @Yarrow:

    Traitor Tots

    Outstanding. Don’t know if it’s a Yarrow Original, but don’t care, I’ll assume it is.

    “Traitor Tots.” Fucking awesome.

  86. 86.

    germy

    December 12, 2018 at 5:35 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    He’s currently working for one of the SuperPACs set up to support the President.

    I wonder how much he makes doing that?

    I remember a few months ago someone spotted him on a flight and took his picture. He was dozing in what looked like a cramped seat in coach. It brought to my mind the “banality of evil” quote.

  87. 87.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 12, 2018 at 5:36 pm

    @NotMax: His party’s platform was too hot for the Indian’s palates.

  88. 88.

    MomSense

    December 12, 2018 at 5:36 pm

    @germy:

    Yup. More than that happened, too. I got messages with my kid’s bus #. Lots of harassment.

  89. 89.

    Aleta

    December 12, 2018 at 5:36 pm

    @MomSense: I hope that out of this a way can be found to sue their offices and coffers and programs to smithereens. Don’t entirely believe their news that they are broke.

  90. 90.

    joel hanes

    December 12, 2018 at 5:37 pm

    @Flanders Other Neighbor:

    CHP seems to take the hands-off approach as long as nobody is doing anything stupid.

    Advice from a CA Highway Patrol officer during a driving improvement class I had to take back when I owned a real sports car:

    “Don’t want tickets ? Don’t make yourself conspicuous. Drive like everyone else and we’ll never notice you.”

  91. 91.

    Steve in the ATL

    December 12, 2018 at 5:37 pm

    I have a question regarding Russia: earlier today, I drove through Russiaville, Indiana.

    Am I now a Republican?

  92. 92.

    germy

    December 12, 2018 at 5:37 pm

    @MomSense: They’re terrorists. Un-American.

  93. 93.

    Searcher

    December 12, 2018 at 5:38 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: Came to the comments to complain.

    I know these people aren’t big on education, but did no one proofread that?

  94. 94.

    opiejeanne

    December 12, 2018 at 5:41 pm

    @Flanders Other Neighbor: That hands-off approach by the CHP depends on where you are. ‘The ones on the 680(? memory is shot) around Concord are not so very nice.

  95. 95.

    Immanentize

    December 12, 2018 at 5:43 pm

    @NotMax:
    You made me go dig out my pack of “Iraqi Most Wanted Playing Cards”. Mine is an authorized reproduction of the “deck first authorized by the Defense Intelligence Agency and U.S. Central Command in Iraq 2003.

    It is described as: “Includes all 52 wanted Iraqi personalities, plus the two jokers featuring the famous Hoyle joker….”

    Ace of Spades: Saddam Husayn Al-Tikriti.

    I got them to remember how fucked up we were in the oughts. Never imagined it would get worse.

  96. 96.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 12, 2018 at 5:43 pm

    @Aleta: If I may, a better solution would be requiring licensure and the carrying of liability insurance. Basically, even though this is an enumerated right, because the right involves an item that’s intended purpose is lethality/destruction, a reasonable and legitimate regulation would be to require licensure of those who wish to own guns for whatever reason. The requirements would be the completion of a safety competency course, including both classroom and range components, that can be completed in, at most, several hours. Once the license is in place then one must purchase liability insurance. Once those are in place, one can purchase any firearm allowed for sale by law. The license will not serve as an individual firearm registration. So that removes the creation of a registry issue that most gun owners freak out over. The fees for the licensure course can be made tax deductible, though not the license.

    Unfortunately this will never fly.

  97. 97.

    Immanentize

    December 12, 2018 at 5:44 pm

    @MomSense: What? How?

  98. 98.

    Haroldo

    December 12, 2018 at 5:46 pm

    @Steve in the ATL:

    Not necessarily, but it’s hard to get that stank off of you.

  99. 99.

    Aleta

    December 12, 2018 at 5:48 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: I was wrong; those Iraq most-wanted cards the Bush-admin gave to US soldiers, were playing cards too …

  100. 100.

    opiejeanne

    December 12, 2018 at 5:49 pm

    @zhena gogolia: One Christmas I made playing card decks for everyone, using photos of family members going back 3 or 4 generations. There was a website that sold the cards and the printer program. It was played like Authors and each card listed 3 other nuts that were siblings, parents or children. I called it Mixed Nuts

  101. 101.

    MomSense

    December 12, 2018 at 5:50 pm

    @Aleta:

    You know what it’s like in rural states. Growing up my friends all took hunter safety courses and got lifetime memberships as gifts from their parents or grandparents. It morphed into an arm of defense contractors who wanted civilian markets for their military weaponry. People forget that they’ve even gone after smaller gun manufacturers who have tried to be sensible.

    And now it’s caught up in the right wing, ethnic nationalist, white supremacist, authoritarian, and Christianist groups. There’s a need for hunter/ gun safety courses but that is not what the NRA is about anymore.

  102. 102.

    Immanentize

    December 12, 2018 at 5:51 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:
    This is like my “Get RIL! about gun ownership.”
    R — Register all sales
    I — Insure gun liability
    L — License gun users

    The difference between us was I imagine different class licenses — like with vehicles. Want a hunting rifle or revolver? Class A. Want an automatic hand gun? Class B. Bazooka? Class never.

  103. 103.

    notoriousJRT

    December 12, 2018 at 5:51 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:
    Cache, my friend, cache.

  104. 104.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 12, 2018 at 5:54 pm

    @Aleta: I know, I have a deck.

  105. 105.

    Mike in NC

    December 12, 2018 at 5:54 pm

    Torshin certainly has a Trumpian physique. Needs a longer necktie, though.

  106. 106.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 12, 2018 at 5:55 pm

    Imagine that!

    Oops. Sad day for the Qs! https://t.co/YpwvdcLbiE

    — wine-stained lens (@winestainedlens) December 12, 2018

  107. 107.

    Burnspbesq

    December 12, 2018 at 5:56 pm

    @germy:

    Maybe once upon a time in the Castro.

  108. 108.

    opiejeanne

    December 12, 2018 at 5:57 pm

    @Burnspbesq: But he’d need the matching leather short shorts in the Castro.

  109. 109.

    MomSense

    December 12, 2018 at 5:58 pm

    @Immanentize:

    It’s a sad story. It’s been better for probably a year but it was bad for a while. It’s not just me. They go after women who speak out. Another woman in town has had the same problems. Emails, phone calls, social media messages, seeing the same stupid trucks with Gadsden flag stickers parked near my house, across from the school. One guy tried to confront me, wanted me to hold a bullet (so weird) and I’m pretty sure his friend was filming it from their truck. My neighbor is a retired union thug who is always packing. He’s in his 80s but he’s not to be messed with so that helps.

  110. 110.

    Platonailedit

    December 12, 2018 at 6:00 pm

    @schrodingers_cat:

    0-5 whitewash was the sweetest karma. Their arrogant overreach was swatted down by the voters.

  111. 111.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 12, 2018 at 6:01 pm

    @Immanentize: I don’t think registration, beyond the current ATF forms, would fly. The hard core gun owners are overly paranoid about the government having them on a registry with a list of all their firearms that is actually searchable. Of course these are the same people that say that if you have done nothing wrong, you don’t have anything to worry about from the PATRIOT Act, so…

  112. 112.

    opiejeanne

    December 12, 2018 at 6:02 pm

    @MomSense: Gah! How awful and annoying, if not downright scary. Not sure what getting you to hold a bullet would have done for them. Glad you have a neighbor like that.

  113. 113.

    MomSense

    December 12, 2018 at 6:05 pm

    @opiejeanne:

    I think it’s just as phallic as we all suspect. It was apparently the same kind used in AR 15s and he referred to it as an “innocent bullet”.

  114. 114.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 12, 2018 at 6:07 pm

    @MomSense: One of two possible explanation for having you handle the bullet.
    1) The bullet would’ve been dipped in bacon grease. These nuts are convinced that they can identify Muslims this way. That a Muslim who handles something dipped in pork fat will develop blisters on their fingers or something.

    2) He has your fingerprints on a bullet. So if he uses it to do something illegal, you’ll get picked up by the cops because your fingerprint is on the bullet.

    Regardless, I’m sorry you’ve had to go through this. I highly recommend taking video of any interactions with these morons.

  115. 115.

    Aleta

    December 12, 2018 at 6:08 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: I totally believe in requiring liability insurance. The structure (car, building/home/landlord coverage) is already here; and having the insur companies be the judge of risk and keeper of statistics relieves and removes politicians. Could even be attached to homeowners policy, and required by an auto policy to carry in a car.

    I also believe landlords should have the right to ask, refuse or restrict tenants who own. Requiring a policy for gun-on-premises of the owner of the structure would make this easier for landlords to ask/enforce.

    Safety classes would reduce cost and could be pre-requisite for some. OUI laws like those for driving.

    Aside from politics, someone here pointed out legal issues with requiring insurance, but I forget what they are.

  116. 116.

    TenguPhule

    December 12, 2018 at 6:08 pm

    @Steve in the ATL:

    earlier today, I drove through Russiaville, Indiana.

    Am I now a Republican?

    Did you stop and make any foolish purchases involving monkey paws?

  117. 117.

    TenguPhule

    December 12, 2018 at 6:11 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    I know, I have a deck.

    But is it full? //

  118. 118.

    debbie

    December 12, 2018 at 6:14 pm

    @germy:

    That photo’s not good enough to be a stock photo. It’s a crap Photoshopped job.

  119. 119.

    MomSense

    December 12, 2018 at 6:15 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Oh boy. Wonder what the test for atheists is?!

    Thank you. Fortunately my dog does an amazing impression of an attack dog with her crazy barking and my neighbor is a total mensch who keeps an eye on everything. He was a union rep guy and then worked for a beer distributor. Somehow he speaks the language.

  120. 120.

    Immanentize

    December 12, 2018 at 6:21 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:
    It’s the sale I would register — including gun show sales. Very valuable for law enforcement.

    This morning I mentioned I’m giving the Immp a gun safety course for Christmas — so he knows what to do if he comes across guns when I pack him off to college next year. I do worry.

  121. 121.

    sm*t cl*de

    December 12, 2018 at 6:21 pm

    @zombie rotten mcdonald:
    Hi ZRM!

  122. 122.

    NotMax

    December 12, 2018 at 6:21 pm

    @Adam L. Silverman

    I know, I have a deck.

    Flight or poop?

    :)

  123. 123.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 12, 2018 at 6:22 pm

    @Immanentize: That would be the current Form 4473.

  124. 124.

    Immanentize

    December 12, 2018 at 6:24 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: then that. See, learn something new every day here at BJ!

  125. 125.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 12, 2018 at 6:26 pm

    @MomSense:

    Oh boy. Wonder what the test for atheists is?!

    Different caliber bullet.

  126. 126.

    Gin & Tonic

    December 12, 2018 at 6:28 pm

    @debbie: It’s a stock photo. You can find it everywhere.

  127. 127.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 12, 2018 at 6:28 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: That’s for the ATF registry book that every federally licensed firearm dealer has to maintain. ATF gets a copy. Because of legislation, ATF isn’t allowed to digitize any of these records. This is a great article about it:
    https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/wdbd9y/the-atfs-nonsensical-non-searchable-gun-databases-explained-392

  128. 128.

    Immanentize

    December 12, 2018 at 6:35 pm

    HA! MOULTON caves. Will now support Pelosi. This on the same day the Boston Globe had an article saying people are planning to primary him.

  129. 129.

    Gin & Tonic

    December 12, 2018 at 6:36 pm

    @Immanentize: Hahvahd boy learns arithmetic.

  130. 130.

    Aleta

    December 12, 2018 at 6:39 pm

    @NotMax: Last night I found this (free, YT): Anna Lucasta starring Eartha Kitt and Sammy D Jr. I didn’t watch very far yet. The plot and themes (crime, prostitution) are probably in the sensational category; director Arthur Lavin (Rifleman, etc) and writer Yordan (Houdini for ex.). most likely white.
    Eartha Kitt is so incredible.

  131. 131.

    debbie

    December 12, 2018 at 6:42 pm

    @Gin & Tonic:

    Then it’s a stock photo that is a crap Photshopped job.

    Actually, I Googled and found it’s from Getty Images. I checked pricing; to use it one time on social media to reach other Americans for one year (the minimum time option) is $530.00. I have to think Clark stole it.

  132. 132.

    Gin & Tonic

    December 12, 2018 at 6:46 pm

    @debbie: Hold on, are you implying that (former) Sheriff David Clarke may not be scrupulously honest?

  133. 133.

    debbie

    December 12, 2018 at 6:47 pm

    @Gin & Tonic:

    Methinks I am.

    I am surprised that Getty hasn’t caught him. They have a real reputation for ferreting out abusers.

  134. 134.

    Immanentize

    December 12, 2018 at 6:49 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: I think he learned that Madam Speaker is capable of handling him his ass

  135. 135.

    Aleta

    December 12, 2018 at 7:02 pm

    @MomSense: Damn. Any names or plate nos? I suppose police would have said ‘they haven’t done anything ‘actual’ yet.’ As though terrorizing and stalking w intent to cause fear don’t count. Was anyone helpful to you and the other women?

  136. 136.

    sukabi

    December 12, 2018 at 7:02 pm

    @debbie: naw, it’s part of the treason package his Russian handlers gifted him.

  137. 137.

    Yarrow

    December 12, 2018 at 7:20 pm

    @MomSense: I remember you saying that and I’m so sorry. I have such respect for you for speaking up anyway.

    @SFAW: No, not original. I stole it from someone at least a year ago. Can’t remember where–somewhere on Twitter. Wish I could give credit. Feel free to use it though–I love it.

  138. 138.

    Ruviana

    December 12, 2018 at 7:30 pm

    @Platonailedit: Zombie has been a longtime commenter at LGM so I’m guessing “no”.

  139. 139.

    MomSense

    December 12, 2018 at 9:01 pm

    @Aleta:

    The police drove through the neighborhood regularly for awhile and started parking by the school at pick up and drop off times. One of the people couldn’t go to town meetings for awhile. They always have officers there so that helps.

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