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Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

He really is that stupid.

Narcissists are always shocked to discover other people have agency.

Republicans got rid of McCarthy. Democrats chose not to save him.

Disagreements are healthy; personal attacks are not.

The party of Reagan has become the party of Putin.

Prediction: the gop will rethink its strategy of boycotting future committees.

SCOTUS: It’s not “bribery” unless it comes from the Bribery region of France. Otherwise, it’s merely “sparkling malfeasance”.

Be a wild strawberry.

Some judge needs to shut this circus down soon.

Michigan is a great lesson for Dems everywhere: when you have power…use it!

In my day, never was longer.

Red lights blinking on democracy’s dashboard

the 10% who apparently lack object permanence

Peak wingnut was a lie.

The low info voters probably won’t even notice or remember by their next lap around the goldfish bowl.

Speaking of republicans, is there a way for a political party to declare intellectual bankruptcy?

Boeing: repeatedly making the case for high speed rail.

Let’s not be the monsters we hate.

When we show up, we win.

I did not have this on my fuck 2025 bingo card.

They spent the last eight months firing professionals and replacing them with ideologues.

I’d hate to be the candidate who lost to this guy.

One way or another, he’s a liar.

Let me file that under fuck it.

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Monday Morning Open Thread: The ACA Is Here to Stay

by Anne Laurie|  October 20, 20255:54 am| 201 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Republicans in Disarray!, World's Best Healthcare (If You Can Afford It)

‘Roots are so deep’: The GOP is straining to get past its Obamacare morass
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— Steve Jenkins (@stevejenkins.us) October 17, 2025 at 9:12 AM

How *dare* the Democrats devise a healthcare assistance program that, however imperfect, has managed to make millions of voters healthier & happier! Per Politico, “‘Roots are so deep’: The GOP is straining to get past its Obamacare morass”:

The ongoing debate over soon-to-expire Affordable Care Act insurance subsidies has reopened an old wound for Republicans: What should they do about the health care law they have railed against for more than a decade but has now taken root with their own constituents?

While some GOP hard-liners are again embracing repeal-and-replace rhetoric, the scars from the party’s failed attempt to undo the ACA in 2017 have left a broader swath of Republicans extremely wary of trying to rip out the law — even as they continue to criticize it.

Instead, as Democrats put the ACA at the center of the ongoing government shutdown fight, Republican leaders and key senators are acknowledging the political reality that Obamacare, at least for the immediate future, is here to stay. Republicans are, instead, eyeing a bipartisan end-of-year health care push that could pair a conservative overhaul of the expiring subsidies with modest proposals that would tweak — but not fully uproot — the 2010 law.

Speaker Mike Johnson is downplaying prospects for nixing the ACA ahead of the midterms, saying this week he still has “PTSD” from the GOP’s 2017 repeal-and-replace debacle.

Senate Majority Leader John Thune made clear in an interview his members are making plans for a bigger health policy push, including “reforms” to the subsidies, in the next government funding package and potentially elsewhere before the end of the year…

The expiring tax credits, expanded by Democrats in 2021, are driving the desire to act on health care this year — millions could go uninsured come the new year without legislative action, according to the Congressional Budget Office. At the same time, Republicans have been discussing a menu of other options in the health care policy arena, both among themselves and with White House officials.

Ideas include overhauling the operation of drug intermediaries, known as pharmacy benefit managers; granting Americans additional options around Health Savings Accounts; and allowing more flexible employer-provided health insurance plans…

But Democrats are already seizing on the repeal talk in some corners of the GOP, with Sen. Patty Murray of Washington comparing it to the cataclysmic sinking of the Titanic.

“It is bad enough so many of them can see the iceberg coming and are saying, ‘Ah, we’ll worry about that after the ship goes down.’ But we’ve also got Republicans saying that you wish this ship had sunk earlier,” Murray, the Senate’s top Democratic appropriator, told reporters. She was referring to the GOP’s refusal to extend the Obamacare subsidies before Nov. 1, at which point notices will go out alerting enrollees to massive premium hikes…

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Nothing under serious discussion has so far come close to what some GOP lawmakers are most eager to discuss as the year-end deadline for the tax credits barrels closer: a complete reversal of the ACA. And while appetite within the GOP leadership for gutting the ACA is minimal at this point, vocal opponents of the law could have an influence in a narrowly-divided House Republican majority…

Other Republicans are trying to urge their colleagues away from igniting a politically explosive debate just over a year out from the midterms, recalling the 2018 Democratic wave election that was attributable to backlash from the GOP repeal-and-replace efforts.

Even Sen. Rick Scott (R-Fla.), a longtime critic of the Democratic health law, stopped short when asked if he backed the call from some of his colleagues to nix Obamacare entirely…

Johnson also warned this week that the ACA’s “roots are so deep” that many Republicans are wary of trying to “completely repeal and replace” it. The law now provides coverage for more than 20 million Americans and touches a significant segment of the economy…

Sen. Markwayne Mullin, an Oklahoma Republican who’s been tapped by the White House to work with Democrats on a shutdown offramp, said in an interview this week said the current imperative for government funding negotiations is to “keep it simple” with “some just very easy changes that both sides can agree to and then get in the weeds at a later date.”

“I’m afraid once we dive into health care,” Mullin added. “It’s going to take a while to unpack that.”

Mike Johnson: It's Obama's fault that we can't repeal Obamacare.

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— James Downie (@jamescdownie.bsky.social) October 13, 2025 at 12:12 PM

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Late Night Open Thread: #NoKings, No Tyrants

by Anne Laurie|  October 20, 20251:36 am| 30 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Vive La Resistance

People keep asking:
“Why peanut butter & jelly?”
Simple:
Because we all need to stick together…
…and we can’t let them turn the entire country into plain white bread.

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— Charles Ghoul-ba ?? (@charlesgaba.com) October 18, 2025 at 1:51 PM

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In social movement studies, we talk about how marches and protests expand the threshold of acceptable risk so that people take more and bigger social risks IN PUBLIC, EN MASSE. This is extremely important for the bourgeois white folks holding signs and building social rapport.

And in the Chicago area—the city but all kinds of suburbs as well—people have been putting themselves between paramilitaries & their terrorized neighbors. I bet there were people who thought “if other people can do that I should at least show up to a protest.”

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— Dana Houle (@danahoule.bsky.social) October 18, 2025 at 10:19 PM

Everybody should feel happy & proud. But I’m especially happy that our side includes the 60 people who showed up in Middle Of Nowhere, Confederate State, or the 35 people with signs in Down The Road From The Survivalist Compound, Rocky Mountain State
They feel less isolated today than yesterday.

— Dana Houle (@danahoule.bsky.social) October 18, 2025 at 10:27 PM

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After adding new data to our spreadsheet, our central estimate of turnout for the No Kings Day protests yesterday has risen to 5.5 million, with an upper bound of 8.7 www.gelliottmorris.com/p/second-no-…

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— G Elliott Morris (@gelliottmorris.com) October 19, 2025 at 9:15 AM

There is a bias among pundits to eye-roll and dismiss Dem opposition to Trump (such as the No Kings protests) as predictable. But in terms of raw numbers (both events and participants), what we're seeing is much bigger than e.g. the Tea Party movement was. Dems are a high entropy system right now

— G Elliott Morris (@gelliottmorris.com) October 19, 2025 at 10:45 PM

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Well, you can look at it this way – Donald Trump now really does have "the biggest crowds," crowds "like no one has ever seen."

— "Online Rent-a-Sage" Bret Devereaux (@bretdevereaux.bsky.social) October 18, 2025 at 6:46 PM

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Best sign so far. #NoKingsDay

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— eddietg51-42.bsky.social (@eddietg51-42.bsky.social) October 18, 2025 at 2:47 PM

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This group of #NoKings protesters in Old Town Alexandria ripped the GOP for calling the rallies anti-American: “They think they’re the only patriotic ones”

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— The Bulwark (@thebulwark.com) October 18, 2025 at 2:54 PM

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No Kings Santa Monica. pic.twitter.com/dyu6743Ht5

— Doug Emhoff (@DouglasEmhoff) October 18, 2025

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No Kings Day.

New York City.

We march together for this democracy. pic.twitter.com/wpGHZOHIZx

— Chuck Schumer (@SenSchumer) October 18, 2025

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Note sender:

Went to Chicago No Kings rally. A huge, peaceful crowd. Families were there. People of all ages. Lots of homemade signs (Soros apparently needs to up the signage budget). Some scenes below.

There was such a huge gap between scary GOP rhetoric and the completely peaceful reality pic.twitter.com/4lEdXuzV3t

— David French (@DavidAFrench) October 18, 2025

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I’m not sure there’s a way to make this headline any worse for Trump.

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— Dana Houle (@danahoule.bsky.social) October 18, 2025 at 7:27 PM


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That’s a weather and sun bleached no kings flag that has hung outside my house for nine months or more and an American flag in the strong right hand of a got-damned American Army veteran.

Do not ever let them tell you that you are not real Americans.

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— Michael Stahlke (@michaelstahlke.bsky.social) October 19, 2025 at 10:08 PM

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War for Ukraine Day 1,333: Cascading Effects from the Trump-Putin Phone Call

by Adam L Silverman|  October 19, 20259:25 pm| 33 Comments

This post is in: Foreign Affairs, Foreign Policy, Military, Open Threads, Russia, Silverman on Security, War, War in Ukraine

A black and white cartoon with Popeye the Sailor Man facing forward and to the left. His word bubble says "I Yam Disgustipated"

We now know that Putin’s phone call with Trump last Thursday was even more successful than we suspected.

If you want to know what Donald will say tomorrow, listen to what Kremlin says today.

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— Darth Putin (@darthputinkgb.bsky.social) October 19, 2025 at 2:48 PM

Trump told Zelenskyy he was losing the war, warning: “If [Putin] wants it, he will destroy you”

The US president threw Ukraine’s battlefield maps to one side & said he was “sick” of seeing the frontline again & again

Scoop w @christopherjm.ft.com @maxseddon.bsky.social & @a-mackinnon.bsky.social

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— Henry Foy (@henryjfoy.ft.com) October 19, 2025 at 3:11 PM

From The Financial Times: (emphasis mine)

Donald Trump urged Volodymyr Zelenskyy to accept Russia’s terms for ending its war in a volatile White House meeting on Friday, warning that Vladimir Putin had said he would “destroy” Ukraine if it did not agree.

The meeting between the US and Ukrainian presidents descended many times into a “shouting match”, with Trump “cursing all the time”, people familiar with the matter said.

They added that the US president tossed aside maps of the frontline in Ukraine, insisted Zelenskyy surrender the entire Donbas region to Putin, and repeatedly echoed talking points the Russian leader had made in their call a day earlier.

Though Trump later endorsed a freeze of the current front lines, the acrimonious meeting appeared to reflect the capricious nature of the US president’s position on the war and his willingness to endorse Putin’s maximalist demands.

The tense meeting echoed a similarly fractious encounter at the White House in February, in which Trump and Vice-President JD Vance lambasted Zelenskyy for what they characterised as a lack of gratitude towards the US.

During Friday’s meeting, Trump appeared to have adopted many of Putin’s talking points verbatim, even when they contradicted his own recent statements about Russia’s weaknesses, said European officials briefed on the meeting.

According to a European official with knowledge of the meeting, Trump told Zelenskyy that Putin had told him the conflict was a “special operation, not even a war”, adding that the Ukrainian leader needed to cut a deal or face destruction.

The official said that Trump told Zelenskyy he was losing the war, warning: “If [Putin] wants it, he will destroy you.”

At one point in the meeting, the US president threw Ukraine’s maps of the battlefield to one side, the official familiar with the encounter said. According to the official, Trump said he was “sick” of seeing the map of the frontline of Ukraine again and again.

“This red line, I don’t even know where this is. I’ve never been there,” Trump said, according to the official.

Trump also said that Russia’s economy is “doing great”, the official said, in a sharp contrast to his recent public remarks in which he urged Putin to negotiate because his “economy is going to collapse”.

The White House and the Ukrainian president’s office did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

Trump told Fox News on Sunday that he was confident about securing an end to the conflict, and added that Putin is “going to take something, he’s won certain property”.

Putin made a new offer to Trump on Thursday under which Ukraine would surrender the parts of the eastern Donbas region under its control in exchange for some small areas of the two southern frontline regions of Kherson and Zaporizhzhia.

The Russian proposal marks a small concession from that made during Putin’s last meeting with Trump in Alaska in August, where he said he would agree to freeze the line of contact elsewhere on the frontline if Ukraine surrendered the Donbas.

But ceding the remainder of the Donbas still under Ukrainian control would be a non-starter for Ukraine, as it would hand Moscow territory it has only partially occupied for more than a decade and failed to seize despite its efforts since Putin ordered the invasion in 2022.

Russian forces have struggled to retain the territory in Kherson and Zaporizhzhia that Putin offered in exchange, and have made virtually no progress on the battlefield there since 2022, the year the war began.

“To give [the Donbas] to Russia without a fight is unacceptable for Ukrainian society, and Putin knows that,” said Oleksandr Merezhko, chair of the Ukrainian parliament’s foreign affairs committee. 

He said that Putin might be pushing the contentious idea “with a purpose to cause division within Ukraine and undermine our unity”.

Merezhko added: “It’s not about getting more territory for Russia, it’s about how to destroy us from within.”

More at the link.

Ukraine should not expect any new assistance from the US and should prepare itself to have what assistance it is getting turned off. Trump does not care about Ukraine. He does not care about Ukrainians. He honestly doesn’t care about anyone with the possible exception of himself, Ivanka, and Barron, which was demonstrated by his callous remarks this morning where he normalized and justified the ethnic cleansing of the Gazan Palestinians. What Trump does care about is being “friends” with Putin. Putin is who Trump really wants to be. Zelenskyy is just a Jewish guy who wouldn’t help Trump out when Trump demanded a favor.

Other than intelligence to support targeting, as well as ensuring that the EU member states can keep buying Patriots and sending them to Ukraine, I’m not sure it would really make much difference at this point.

And the reason Trump tossed the maps aside is he has no idea how to read a map, let alone a battlefield map.

Europe must stop waiting for the US to deliver peace here. It’s not coming.

If you want real and lasting peace, help Ukraine defeat russia — now.

#ukrainianview

— Olena Halushka (@halushka.bsky.social) October 19, 2025 at 7:24 AM

President Zelenskyy was interviewed on Meet the Press this morning, where he tried to appeal to Trump through the TV.

WELKER: Does Trump need to get tougher with President Putin?

ZELENSKYY: Yes

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— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com) October 19, 2025 at 10:34 AM

Zelenskyy on Putin: I don’t understand why the leader of the country which has the biggest territory in the world, needs some more kilometers.

This war is not about the land. It is about our sovereignty, our independence.

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— Kate from Kharkiv (@kateinkharkiv.bsky.social) October 19, 2025 at 8:58 PM

We are not losing the war, and Putin will not win. His army is now in a weak position. They may have occupied one percent of our land, but they lost 1.3 million people, Zelensky said.

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— WarTranslated (Dmitri) (@wartranslated.bsky.social) October 19, 2025 at 11:22 AM

Putin fears only his own society and wants to be president until his death, so he is counting on this war continuing to maintain public support, Zelensky added.

— WarTranslated (Dmitri) (@wartranslated.bsky.social) October 19, 2025 at 11:22 AM

Here’s the full video:

And here is President Zelenskyy’s address from earlier today. Video below, English transcript after the jump.

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We Are Preparing Certain Steps of Ours at the Front and Responding to Every Russian Strike – Address by the President

19 October 2025 – 14:46

I wish you health, fellow Ukrainians!

There have already been reports today from the military and from the Security Service of Ukraine. The situation at the front, in particular in the Pokrovsk sector and neighboring areas, as well as Kupyansk, the border areas of the Kharkiv and Sumy regions, and the Zaporizhzhia region. We are maintaining control of the situation, and I am grateful to every one of our units for their resilience. We are preparing certain steps of ours at the front and responding to every Russian strike. We also spoke with Commander-in-Chief Oleksandr Syrskyi, including about our long-range capabilities. There has been an increase both in the range and in the accuracy of our long-range sanctions against Russia. Practically every day or two, Russian oil refineries are being hit. And this contributes to bringing Russia back to reality. I also want to acknowledge the results achieved in recent weeks by our warriors of the 13th Operational Brigade of the National Guard and the 92nd Separate Assault Brigade – both brigades are destroying the occupier in the Kupyansk sector. There are also successes there by the 127th Separate Heavy Mechanized Brigade, units of the Special Operations Forces, the Security Service of Ukraine, and the Military Law Enforcement Service. Thank you to all of you, warriors!

We are working with partners in Europe to expand the PURL initiative and to increase purchases of U.S.-made weaponry, particularly air defense systems and certain long-range strike capabilities of ours. Next week we will speak with partners in Europe about new contributions to the PURL initiative. We are also preparing very important agreements with several countries on weapons and defense technologies. Our capabilities will be broadened. The Office team is currently finalizing an agreement we have been working on for several months. I also want to thank Prime Minister of Ukraine Yuliia Svyrydenko and the entire team working with partners on gas supplies for Ukraine and on energy support. Reports on this were presented today. There are significant results both in the United States and with Slovakia. We also share a common vision on energy with our other partners. There should be zero Russian energy in Europe, and the signals from America are clear now – they are ready to supply Europe with as much gas and oil as needed to replace Russian supplies. Our region has the necessary infrastructure and potential to contribute to Europe’s energy independence way more. We have made proposals to the US regarding gas infrastructure, nuclear power generation, and several other projects. We are currently working on the details. And almost every day now, we are communicating with leaders to ensure that we have a common position, all of us in Europe, on putting pressure on Russia – the right kind of pressure. We will grant the aggressor no gifts and forget nothing. We clearly see: this Russia is a long-term threat. Therefore, in Europe, we need long-term cooperation and tangible results – both in the short term and with a forward-looking perspective – so that people can live.

And one more thing. I have instructed our diplomats – and have already discussed this with many leaders – to prepare a meeting of the Coalition of the Willing in the near future. We in Europe need common and strong positions. And we will have them. Thank you to everyone who stands with us, who stands with Ukraine!

Glory to Ukraine!

Georgia:

Today, GD arrested over a dozen people who attended yesterday’s protest — some for wearing scarves while walking away, others for standing on the sidewalk, and the rest for blocking Rustaveli Avenue in peaceful resistance.

Still, even more people showed up tonight. Day 326. 🇬🇪

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— Rusudan Djakeli (@rusudandjakeli.bsky.social) October 19, 2025 at 1:58 PM

14 people were detained under administrative rules for blocking a road on Rustaveli Avenue yesterday, October 18. The Ministry of Internal Affairs said that measures will be taken against 13 more individuals. Still, today, Rustaveli is blocked again.

#GeorgiaProtests
Day 326

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— Publika.ge (@publikage.bsky.social) October 19, 2025 at 1:21 PM

Despite 27 arrests & warrants for closing Rustaveli yesterday (as every day since November 28, 2024), protesters still did not fail the tradition.

It carries a deep emotional symbol of continuity and serves as the baseline of the resistance.

#GeorgiaProtests Day 326

📷 MOSE

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— Marika Mikiashvili 🇬🇪🇺🇦🇪🇺 (@marikamikiashvili.bsky.social) October 19, 2025 at 12:51 PM

A protest march was held in Tbilisi demanding that the EU, UK, and US impose sanctions on Georgian Dream members and their families.

#GeorgiaProtests
Day 326

📷 Mindia Gabadze/Publika

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— Publika.ge (@publikage.bsky.social) October 19, 2025 at 12:14 PM

Yesterday, up to 30 policemen sealed this girl’s face mask as the evidence of a crime. This morning, she was taken by the police. We are figuring out the details.
#TerrorinGeorgia #GeorgiaProtests

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— Marika Mikiashvili 🇬🇪🇺🇦🇪🇺 (@marikamikiashvili.bsky.social) October 19, 2025 at 4:40 AM

4 days pretrial detention. For wearing a scarf on a nearby street.

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— Rusudan Djakeli (@rusudandjakeli.bsky.social) October 19, 2025 at 1:25 PM

Activist Nino Svanidze was also detained today.

Before being taken away, she managed to post on Facebook: “Police just showed up in my yard. They’re taking me to the station.”

Her arrest is likely linked to the Rustaveli protests.

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— Rusudan Djakeli (@rusudandjakeli.bsky.social) October 19, 2025 at 4:48 AM

“My grandfathers were victims of [Soviet] repressions, but I don’t consider myself a victim, because we will win at the end. Whatever punishment you give me, it’s an honour for me.” – our Droa team member and activist Nino Svanidze to regime judge Manuchar Tsatsua.

#TerrorinGeorgia #GeorgiaProtests

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— Marika Mikiashvili 🇬🇪🇺🇦🇪🇺 (@marikamikiashvili.bsky.social) October 19, 2025 at 12:21 PM

Tbilisi City Court Judge Manuchar Tsatsua found journalist Vakho Sanaia guilty of “blocking the road” and sentenced him to six days of administrative detention.

#TerrorinGeorgia
#GeorgiaProtests

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— Publika.ge (@publikage.bsky.social) October 19, 2025 at 2:16 PM

Police are checking citizens leaving a protest on Rustaveli to see if they were wearing masks or any other “illegal” items that could cover their faces. About 20 police officers stopped Aza Adamia, a 70 y/o displaced woman from Abkhazia.

📷 Mindia Gabadze
#TerrorinGeorgiaa

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— Publika.ge (@publikage.bsky.social) October 19, 2025 at 3:08 PM

Another arrest today: Lasha Chkhartishvili. The regime ambushed him while he was on his way to his mother’s grave with his young child for her 40th-day memorial. The charge? “Blocking Rustaveli Avenue.”

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— Rusudan Djakeli (@rusudandjakeli.bsky.social) October 19, 2025 at 7:27 AM

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— Marika Mikiashvili 🇬🇪🇺🇦🇪🇺 (@marikamikiashvili.bsky.social) October 19, 2025 at 10:45 AM

According to Shalva’s wife, two police crews came to arrest him. No one will say where he is or in what condition. The lawyer doesn’t have access to him.

Families of about ten other detainees from today say the same.

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— Rusudan Djakeli (@rusudandjakeli.bsky.social) October 19, 2025 at 8:43 AM

One of the ~11 Georgian protesters detained today, Tornike Tkhilava, has been released with a warning.

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— Rusudan Djakeli (@rusudandjakeli.bsky.social) October 19, 2025 at 9:33 AM

This comprehensive report by Georgia’s European Orbit and the Human Rights Center documents the Georgian Dream regime’s repressive actions in 2024–2025 — including torture, assaults, unlawful detentions, and attacks on journalists.

🔗 www.europeanorbit.ge/eng/news/39

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— Rusudan Djakeli (@rusudandjakeli.bsky.social) October 19, 2025 at 10:11 AM

Sweden:

Sweden called on European countries to shift into war mode to defend and sustain peace, Defense Minister Pål Jonson told RND. Around 90 percent of Swedes support maintaining or expanding aid to Ukraine, he said.
www.rnd.de/politik/inte…

— WarTranslated (Dmitri) (@wartranslated.bsky.social) October 19, 2025 at 12:36 PM

Germany:

Munich Airport shut down twice overnight due to “suspicious activity in the air”, police helicopter found nothing, three flights diverted to Nuremberg and one to Frankfurt.

— WarTranslated (Dmitri) (@wartranslated.bsky.social) October 19, 2025 at 8:39 AM

Carlo Graziano:

Fuel shortages hit roughly 76 percent of Russian regions between late August and mid-October 2025, according to monitoring by analyst Stanimir Dobrev.

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— WarTranslated (Dmitri) (@wartranslated.bsky.social) October 19, 2025 at 10:59 AM

The Far East, Siberia, and occupied territories saw the first disruptions during the week of 25-31 August, with shortages spreading westward over the following eight weeks as supply problems intensified across most of the country.

— WarTranslated (Dmitri) (@wartranslated.bsky.social) October 19, 2025 at 10:59 AM

It’s all about customer service here at Balloon Juice and giving the people what they want!

Back to Ukraine.

Talks will not stop Putin, pressure is needed, and Ukraine will not reward terrorists for their crimes, Zelensky says. Russia launched over 3,270 strike drones, 1,370 guided bombs and nearly 50 missiles against Ukraine this week alone.

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— WarTranslated (Dmitri) (@wartranslated.bsky.social) October 19, 2025 at 4:39 AM

⚓️Special Forces of the Ukrainian Navy have freed two soldiers, a veteran of the Armed Forces and a serviceman of the National Guard, who had been held captive and enslaved in temporarily occupied territory for more than three years.

🔗Read details: militarnyi.com/en/news/thre…

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— Militarnyi (@militarnyi.com) October 17, 2025 at 3:46 PM

From Militarnyi:

Special Forces of the Ukrainian Navy have freed two soldiers, a veteran of the Armed Forces and a serviceman of the National Guard, who had been held captive and enslaved in temporarily occupied territory for more than three years.

This was reported by the Navy Angels Detachment.

The released soldiers are a 29-year-old veteran of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and a 34-year-old serviceman of the National Guard of Ukraine, who had been missing for more than three years.

Due to the close proximity of the settlements where the Ukrainians were held, it was decided to evacuate both of them at the same time.

“It was a difficult and risky task, in particular because two parallel special operations were actually taking place – the guys were taken out separately from each other until a certain stage. Both the NGU serviceman and the Armed Forces veteran did not know the detailed plan – they trusted us and followed the instructions precisely,“ commented Artem Dyblenko, an officer of the Navy’s Angels Detachment.

The operation was conducted in cooperation with the Military Ombudsman Olha Reshetylova.

On September 5, it was reported that the Navy’s special forces, together with the National Guard, conducted an operation to rescue four Ukrainian soldiers who had been hidden in the occupied territory for three years.

Along with the marine and three guardsmen, the rescuers also evacuated a hospital medical worker who had helped in their hiding.

The Ukrainian Navy’s Angels Detachment has already rescued 88 people.

Russian occupied Crimea:

High-resolution imagery of the Feodosia oil terminal indicates that, as a result of Ukrainian attacks in October 2025, at least 11 oil storage tanks sustained varying degrees of damage, most of them either destroyed or severely damaged. Our analysis:

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— Tatarigami (@tatarigami.bsky.social) October 18, 2025 at 1:26 AM

2/ In addition to the 11 main storage tanks, at least six smaller units were also severely damaged or destroyed. These were likely day tanks, which regulate fuel flow between the main tanks and distribution systems, or storage for additives (anti-corrosion agents or stabilizers)

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— Tatarigami (@tatarigami.bsky.social) October 18, 2025 at 1:26 AM

3/ In summary, at least 19 tanks of varying sizes have been destroyed or severely damaged, along with six smaller day tanks or additive tanks in total. Before the attack, the oil terminal served as a logistical hub for supplying Russian forces with fuel and lubricants.

— Tatarigami (@tatarigami.bsky.social) October 18, 2025 at 1:26 AM

4/ Overall, factoring in damage to pipelines and other infrastructure, it is unclear when the Feodosia oil terminal could be repaired. An even bigger question for Russian authorities is whether repairs are worthwhile, given the facility could be targeted again at any moment.

— Tatarigami (@tatarigami.bsky.social) October 18, 2025 at 1:26 AM

The impossible challenge to find gas and diesel in occupied Crimea:

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— Kate from Kharkiv (@kateinkharkiv.bsky.social) October 19, 2025 at 7:23 AM

Pokrovsk:

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Russian troops are executing civilians in Pokrovsk.

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— Iryna Voichuk (@irynavoichuk.bsky.social) October 19, 2025 at 3:59 PM

In Pokrovsk, Russian forces executed civilians‼️

Near the railway line, a drone spotted the bodies of three civilians and a woman with gunshot wounds to her legs. Later, an unknown man carried her away in his arms.

The video documenting this war crime was published by Denys Khrystov.

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— Kate from Kharkiv (@kateinkharkiv.bsky.social) October 19, 2025 at 4:02 PM

Video

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— Kate from Kharkiv (@kateinkharkiv.bsky.social) October 19, 2025 at 4:02 PM

ALL CLEAR!!!!

Besieged Pokrovsk. Another dying city in Ukraine. People lived in those buildings, married in those churches, walked those parks, studied in those schools. So many dreams, memories, and lives lost to Russia’s insatiable greed.

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— Kate from Kharkiv (@kateinkharkiv.bsky.social) October 19, 2025 at 12:54 PM

Ukrainian BTR-4E Bucephalus and strike drone eliminated Russian forces in Pokrovsk direction, drone dropped grenades on shelter then armored vehicle opened heavy machine gun fire.

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— WarTranslated (Dmitri) (@wartranslated.bsky.social) October 19, 2025 at 4:35 AM

Dnipropetrovsk Oblast:

Russia struck a DTEK coal mine in Dnipropetrovsk Oblast while 192 workers were underground — evacuation is underway.

It’s the fourth massive attack on the company’s coal facilities in two months.

Another strike on an energy site in Chernihiv Oblast left 55,000 without power.

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— Iryna Voichuk (@irynavoichuk.bsky.social) October 19, 2025 at 1:27 PM

During the night, Russia launched a drone attack on the town of Shakhtarske in Dnipro region.

3 five-story residential buildings were damaged. Fires broke out in eight apartments. Several cars were destroyed by the flames, and at last 10 people were injured.

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— Kate from Kharkiv (@kateinkharkiv.bsky.social) October 19, 2025 at 7:12 AM

Kharkiv Oblast:

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Russia collapsed a house onto an elderly woman in Kharkiv region.

Russian forces carried out an airstrike on the village of Osynove in Kharkiv region, destroying several private homes.

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— Kate from Kharkiv (@kateinkharkiv.bsky.social) October 19, 2025 at 6:54 AM

While clearing the debris from one of the houses, responders discovered an 83-year-old local resident trapped beneath the wreckage.

Police freed the injured woman from the rubble, swiftly evacuated her, and handed her over to medics.

— Kate from Kharkiv (@kateinkharkiv.bsky.social) October 19, 2025 at 6:54 AM

ALL CLEAR!!!!

Sumy Oblast:

This’ll be right along the Belgorod Oblast, Russia border:

Border guard drone operators from the Prime unit destroyed enemy communications, positions, shelters and vehicles on the Northern Slobozhanshchyna direction. Russian forces suffered personnel losses.

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— WarTranslated (Dmitri) (@wartranslated.bsky.social) October 19, 2025 at 5:27 AM

Samara Oblast, Russia:

Novokuybyshevsk oil refinery in Russia last night 🔥

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— Kate from Kharkiv (@kateinkharkiv.bsky.social) October 19, 2025 at 8:17 AM

🔥🛢️Russian Novokuibyshevsk oil refinery with the annual capacity 7.9 million tons was heavily targeted tonight. 900km from the front.

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— 🦋Special Kherson Cat🐈🇺🇦 (@specialkhersoncat.bsky.social) October 19, 2025 at 1:38 AM

/2. Novokuibyshevsk oil refinery moments of the strikes

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— 🦋Special Kherson Cat🐈🇺🇦 (@specialkhersoncat.bsky.social) October 19, 2025 at 2:38 AM

Orenburg Oblast, Russia:

Orenburg Gas Processing Plant in Russia was visited by drones of peace last night ✌️

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— Kate from Kharkiv (@kateinkharkiv.bsky.social) October 19, 2025 at 6:59 AM

Gazprom’s Orenburg gas processing plant stopped receiving raw gas from Kazakhstan following tonight’s drone attack.

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— 🦋Special Kherson Cat🐈🇺🇦 (@specialkhersoncat.bsky.social) October 19, 2025 at 7:19 AM

Tambov Oblast, Russia:

“Carpet plan” activated at Tambov airport in Russia, with temporary restrictions imposed on aircraft arrivals and departures.

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— WarTranslated (Dmitri) (@wartranslated.bsky.social) October 19, 2025 at 1:04 PM

Perm Krai, Russia:

Another electrical substation has mysteriously caught fire in Russia, this time in Berezniki, Perm Krai, leaving parts of the city without power or water.

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— WarTranslated (Dmitri) (@wartranslated.bsky.social) October 19, 2025 at 1:01 PM

Western Siberia:

Queues formed at gas stations in Surgut, Western Siberia. Drivers arrive hours before opening to secure fuel.

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— WarTranslated (Dmitri) (@wartranslated.bsky.social) October 19, 2025 at 10:46 AM

That’s enough for tonight.

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This is just batshit insane.

by Soonergrunt|  October 19, 20258:36 pm| 92 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads

So yesterday, during the No Kings demonstrations all over the country, JD Vance went out to California to Camp Pendleton and observed a live fire exercise involving Marines doing what Marines do–storming ashore. The exercise involved Landing Craft Air Cushion Vehicles, helicopters, and their new fancy armored personnel carrier, all of them coming ashore and looking just spiffy doing so.
For SOME Goddamned reason, this exercise included live Naval gunfire.
Naval gunfire is basically slapping an artillery canon onto the side or front of a ship and trying to shoot that things while the ship is moving in three dimensions. I understand that the Navy is pretty good about stabilizing the guns and the ships and being able to accurately place high explosive and shrapnel where they want it.

Normally when this is done, the entire area they are shooting into is deserted. It’s always a range purpose-built or laid out, far away from inhabited areas. The Navy normally uses  San Nicholas Island 60 miles out in the Pacific.
For some damn reason– likely to try to scare of piss people off– they fired 155mm (6-in) shells over Interstate 5 onto Camp Pendleton. Anyone who’s ever driven that stretch of I-5 knows that it goes within a mile or two of the shore with the USMC base on either side. I’ve driven it dozens of times over the years. I’ve seen Marines exercising out there, but I’ve NEVER seen them fire artillery anywhere near there. Hell, I’ve NEVER HEARD of them firing artillery anywhere near there. It’s not an Artillery Impact Area. BECAUSE THERE’S A FUCKING INTERSTATE HIGHWAY GOING THROUGH IT. That’s why I’m saying this is batshit insane. The impact area on a military base is closed to everybody except the Engineers and Explosive Ordinance Disposal troops for a very good reason. Not everything that goes bang at the gun goes bang on the target.
Sometimes, like yesterday, it goes bang prematurely. Leaving aside the humor in something associated with JD Vance going off prematurely (were there couches in the impact area?) the round apparently damaged the roadway (which is one of the effects you’re trying to achieve when you call for artillery in the world). Apparently the Marines did not ask for the Interstate to be closed, but the State of California did close it.
A California Highway Patrol motorcyle was apparently damaged, but there was no CHP officer on it at the time.

I can’t stress enough just how bugfuck crazy this is. It’s EXTREMELY unusual for an artillery round to fall short or detonate short. The technology has been pretty much perfected in World War II. So I’m guessing (and it’s only a guess) that they miscalculated the impact point. It was supposedly the first round fired, and all subsequent rounds were cancelled.
But every time I ever did a Combined Arms Live Fire Exercise (CALFEX, because Army) we planned the shit out of it for weeks on end. Where exactly will the cannon be placed and where exactly is the target area in the middle of the artillery impact area? Where will the Infantry be at each five-minute mark in the exercise, where will the VIPs watch it from? What’s the fragmentation range from impact point for the guns we want to fire? Can we get people far enough away they won’t be in danger? And so on and so on. No, these rounds don’t normally fail. It’s exceedingly rare. But you don’t take the risks you don’t have to take. And this was all so that Trump and Vance could feel all big and powerful. It was billed as the USMC 250th Birthday. Except the USMC’s birthday is November 10th, and they already did a bunch of cool stuff for it.

This whole thing was thrown together at the last moment to try to divert attention from the protests yesterday. Now, we don’t yet know everything. What was supposed to happen? What actually did happen? Was it an airburst or a short round? I’m loathe to speculate and start pointing fingers because I’m not there, but seriously, I’ve NEVER heard of a fuckup like this. Something serious went sideways, and if it wasn’t for the foresight of whatever California public servant closed the Interstate, it could have been a huge tragedy.

UPDATE: This was shore-based 155mm towed artillery, NOT Naval gunfire as I originally understood.  The BlueSky thread that begins here has informed supposition by someone who would know more about it.

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Northern Colorado No Kings Event

by TaMara|  October 19, 20257:45 pm| 16 Comments

This post is in: 2025 Activism, Open Threads

Just a bit from our protest. Longmont is small – about 89K  – this turnout was inspiring. I got teary while I was there (not long, I’ve been super tired lately and knew I wouldn’t last long)

Favorite sign:

This was my favorite
Longmont Colorado!

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— Diana Plz no DM’S (@diane65.bsky.social) October 18, 2025 at 5:14 PM

At least 5,000 celebrated Democracy on the streets of Longmont, Colorado today in a massive street party.

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— Mountain Bird (@comountainbird.bsky.social) October 18, 2025 at 3:48 PM

Longmont, Colorado. People lining the street 5-10 deep both sides of the road for a mile! In little Longmont.

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— Alice (@alicethistime.bsky.social) October 18, 2025 at 2:31 PM

This is an important thread (read here) but it’s available only to Bluesky users.

 

 

I hope everyone can hold onto this feeling of solidarity as the days stretch on. Because they are going to stretch on, but we will defeat this fascist takeover of our country.

Open thread

 

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Sunday Night Open Thread

by John Cole|  October 19, 20257:09 pm| 114 Comments

This post is in: John Cole Presents "This Fucking Old House", Open Threads

It is raining and overcast and just generally shitty so I got up this morning, fed dumb and dumber, and went back to bed and even though I woke up at ten, I just stayed my ass in bed until almost noon. It was very nice. Had to head to the big city to get gas because tomorrow I have to drive to get a crown and the gas is like 30 cents a gallon more expensive there than here. Stopped by the Italian place I love and got a quart of five bean soup to go, which sounded perfect for a rainy cold night. In the corner of my eye I spotted a lone cannoli in a display with two magnificent maraschino cherries on each end and a light dusting of powdered sugar and looked at the you girl behind the register and said “I don’t mean to sound threatening or scary but that cannoli is coming with me I can’t believe you all abandoned it there by itself.”

So that was really my day. Kind of amused at all the MAGA “Fuck your feelings” just losing their ever-loving shit in the comments sections of local newspapers. They are just so fragile- and for good reason. The cult knows that to pierce the facade means the end of the charade.

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This literally blows my fucking mind:

A 155-millimeter shell fired during a live-fire demonstration for the 250th anniversary of the Marine Corps at Camp Pendleton on Saturday prematurely detonated, dropping fragments of the shell on a California Highway Patrol vehicle and motorcycle that were part of Vice President JD Vance’s protective detail, according to a patrol report.

No officers were hurt in the mishap, which dropped shrapnel onto the vehicles parked on a ramp to a major freeway that had been ordered closed by Gov. Gavin Newsom. The governor had objected to the plan to fire over the freeway, Interstate 5, and ordered a 17-mile stretch closed — against the guidance of military officials, who had said it was safe for it to remain open.

According to the patrol report, one officer described what sounded like pebbles hitting his motorcycle and the area around him, and two others saw a two-inch piece of shrapnel hit the hood of their patrol vehicle, leaving a small dent. The report says shrapnel was also found on the road near the motorcycle.

If you had told me near 40 years ago during table VIII gunnery at Grafenwoehr that we would one day be sending live rounds over American highways I would have told you that you were fucking insane and that I heard they were doing a drug test tomorrow at formation. Jesus christ this is so fucking nuts that I asked Soonergrunt on bluesky to come write a post explaining how fucking bonkers this is because I do not have the words.

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I got distracted by cats and completely forgot what I was going to talk about here, but I want to put this post up so I don’t step on Adam or anyone else, but I do want to make sure you all check out this banger I heard today:

I almost wrecked the car about ten seconds in I was so desperate to find out who the hell this was because it was amazing. Name is Kirby, and I am now working my way through the discography.

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No Kings – Compilation 2 – PA, CO, PA again, NM

by WaterGirl|  October 19, 20256:30 pm| 19 Comments

This post is in: No Kings Oct 18, 2025, Open Threads

geg6

from a small town outside of Pittsburgh

In our small town outside of Pittsburgh, we had a great showing today.  We had two unicorns, a frog, a giraffe and a dragon.  I didn’t manage to get photos of any of them but they were fun.

This is small town Western PA, about 35 miles west of Pittsburgh.  In June, there were 600 or so on the courthouse lawn.  I have no idea how many this time.  I would, however, estimate that it was at least that many.  Lots of people blowing horns and giving thumbs up and only two obvious MAGAs across the street ostentatiously filming us.  Fuck ‘em, as a wise man once said.

This is my friend in the image below.

No Kings – geg6 – Small Town Outside of Pittsburgh No Kings – geg6 – Small Town Outside of Pittsburgh 1 No Kings – geg6 – Small Town Outside of Pittsburgh 2

Burrowing Owl in Longmont, CO

No idea how many people were there today, but it was bigger than the first No Kings, which had about 2,000. More people, some in inflatable dino/dragon/unicorn/etc outfits, and frog costumes and frogs on signs.

Joe Neguse (my rep) was there so I got to meet him.

No Kings - Burrowing Owl - Longmont, CO

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Philadelphia Independence Mall

New Deal Democrat

Santa Fe, NM

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