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Foreign Affairs Open Thread: Don’t Cry for Milei, Argentina

by Anne Laurie|  October 21, 202512:10 am| 75 Comments

This post is in: C.R.E.A.M., Foreign Affairs, Open Threads, Trump Crime Cartel

Argentina edition of Libertarian bible

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— Albert Pinto (@70sbachchan.bsky.social) October 11, 2025 at 9:40 AM

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Q: What do you have to say to farmers who feel that the deal is benefitting Argentina more than it is them?
TRUMP: Look, Argentina is fighting for its life, young lady. You don't know anything about it. You understand what that means? They are dying

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— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com) October 19, 2025 at 9:16 PM

Javier Milei is Trump’s favorite kind of foreign leader: An openly corrupt ‘strongman’ who uses the full power of his state to ruthlessly reward his friends and punish his (leftwing! poor!) enemies… while never being too proud to suck up to powerful ‘kingmakers’ such as Donald Trump and his own circle of billionaire cronies.

Argentina formalizes $20bn currency swap deal with US
#Trump

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— TrumpWatch (@trumpwatch.skyfleet.blue) October 20, 2025 at 10:55 AM

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Gonna be kinda shocked if this doesn't come back to haunt them in the midterms.
They gave 20b to Argentina while your farm went bankrupt is, uh, not a hard line to land.

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— Schnorkles O'Bork (@schnorkles.bsky.social) October 11, 2025 at 3:24 PM

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Your health insurance premiums could double or even triple thanks to Republican health care cuts.
But instead of helping American families facing double costs, Trump plans to DOUBLE his bailout for Argentina.
Whatever happened to “America First”?

— Elizabeth Warren (@elizabeth-warren.bsky.social) October 17, 2025 at 3:10 PM


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Trump’s Argentine gamble benefits almost no one on.ft.com/46ZrFtI | opinion

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— Financial Times (@financialtimes.com) October 20, 2025 at 1:22 PM

Per the Financial Times, “Trump’s Argentine gamble benefits almost no one”:

For a US presidency that makes a habit of throwing around large numbers, the $40bn package earmarked for a rescue of Argentina’s economy may not be enormous. But it is still a poor use of money, for almost everyone involved.

Look at it from Argentina’s perspective. Over the past two weeks, the US has committed to a $20bn currency swap line with the Argentine central bank, intervened directly on at least two occasions to buy Argentine pesos in the spot market and announced plans to line up another $20bn package to help with the country’s upcoming debt payments. Yet the peso fell to a new intraday low of 1,476 per dollar on Monday. That compares with 350 pesos per dollar two years ago…

The Argentine currency may have further to fall. President Javier Milei’s pro-market, austerity-focused reform agenda, which has been credited with bringing down inflation, is under threat. Measures such as slashing public sector jobs and reducing energy subsidies and welfare programmes have proved unpopular with voters…

From a US perspective, exchanging stable US dollars with volatile and overvalued pesos is not a good investment. Fernando Marull, a partner at FMyA, a financial consultancy in Buenos Aires, estimates that the US Treasury had bought roughly $400mn worth of pesos in three purchases on October 9, 15 and 16.

There is not much here to offset the likely financial hit. There may be some short-term winners: with Argentina’s 2035 dollar-denominated bonds trading close to 56 cents on the dollar, up from 48 cents before US Treasury secretary Scott Bessent announced the lifeline, hedge funds may breathe a sigh of relief. And, from a US perspective, there is some hope that extending a helping hand to Argentina — rich in lithium, shale oil and copper — might one day clear the way for deals.

But propping up the peso is unlikely to be a route to a sustainable improvement in the country’s economy. And the US is throwing money at this problem at the same time as American farmers are struggling and federal workers are going without pay during a government shutdown. For the US, the political cost of this foreign venture may outweigh the economic one.

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“America First.”

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— Robert Reich (@rbreich.bsky.social) October 12, 2025 at 2:53 PM

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As always he does something nakedly corrupt, the rest of the administration rushes to tell everyone it's actually a vital US interest and you're crazy to suggest otherwise, and he turns around and says "no I'm doing this because I'm corrupt"

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— Hemry, Local Bartender (@bartenderhemry.bsky.social) October 14, 2025 at 2:24 PM

"I am doing this [giving 20 billion taxpayer dollars to my friends] because I am the king and it's what I want to do. I want to stress that I don't have to do it and it doesn't benefit the united states. Are you stupid?"

— Hemry, Local Bartender (@bartenderhemry.bsky.social) October 14, 2025 at 2:26 PM

Also let's look at the substance here: it's a "great philosophy" that in short order brought the country to the brink of economic ruin to the tune of needing a 20 billion dollar bailout. Great. Thank you president good business man

— Hemry, Local Bartender (@bartenderhemry.bsky.social) October 14, 2025 at 2:33 PM

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Trump said US wouldn't help Argentina if his "favorite president" Millei doesn't win reelection. This backfired. The peso tumbled. Millei's opponents railed against US extortion. Govt rushed to try to assure Argentines that Trump wouldn’t abandon the nation based on Milei’s political fortunes

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— Catherine Rampell (@crampell.bsky.social) October 17, 2025 at 1:07 PM

Ishaan Tharoor, at the Washington Post, “Trump’s Argentina gambit is not ‘America First’”:

… [T]hroughout his presidency, Trump has been guided by a hard-right ideology ever-present among his base and his allies. And for all the triumphal nationalism on show at the White House, there are times when it’s unclear what American interests are boosted by Trump’s agenda.

That’s been the case in recent days as the Trump administration authorized a conspicuous bailout of the Argentine economy. The unusual move to initiate a $20 billion currency swap with Argentina’s central bank is aimed at stabilizing an Argentine peso that’s wobbling dangerously amid market concerns that libertarian President Javier Milei, a Trump ally, may see his aggressive reform agenda checked at the ballot box in next week’s midterm elections. In the past, the United States has participated in numerous bailout schemes for perennially crisis-stricken Argentina under the aegis of the International Monetary Fund; this would be the U.S.’s most direct intervention in another country’s economy for decades.

The Trump administration is also working to arrange an additional $20 billion in private-sector financing for Argentina, doubling the financial lifeline, my colleagues reported.

Milei and Trump are close ideological allies, and the Argentine leader cast an outsize shadow on the early months of Trump’s second term. Trumpworld figures such as tech billionaire Elon Musk appeared onstage with Milei at right-wing U.S. events, wielding the latter’s trademark chainsaw to symbolize their shared desire for slashing the public sector. Trump admitted to reporters that the bailout wouldn’t much help the United States and may be contingent on Milei’s faction securing a favorable outcome on Oct. 26…

Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent, who’s driving the bailout, had a more calibrated argument.
He described Argentina to reporters last week as a “systemically important regional ally” that needed bolstering in the region. Strengthening the political right in Buenos Aires would boost the fortunes of its counterparts in Chile and Colombia, he argued, where left-wing governments may get unseated in upcoming elections…

Analysts are less convinced of Argentina’s importance. “Argentina buys just 12 percent of its imports from the United States,” noted Johns Hopkins scholar Benjamin Gedan. “Last year, U.S. goods exports to the country totaled a meager $9.1 billion, compared to $334 billion to neighboring Mexico, the last country to receive a similar U.S. rescue package, in 1995. Yet another economic collapse in Argentina would hardly reverberate in the United States, 5,000 miles away.”

Some Republicans and many Democrats are angry about such a vast sum of U.S. taxpayer money being funneled into a context where Americans may never see any positive return. Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) fumed about the losses sustained by U.S. farmers thanks to American tariffs, including his state’s soybean farmers, who are in direct competition with exporters in Argentina…

Milei’s drastic program of austerity and spending cuts served as an intended shock to a notoriously dysfunctional economy, and won plaudits from a wide swath of Washington’s foreign policy establishment. But living standards for many Argentines have slumped, unemployment is climbing, and salaries are not matching rates of inflation. Local elections in Buenos Aires earlier this year delivered a chastening blow to Milei’s camp, sparking the market jitters that have brought his project to such a pronounced moment of crisis.

Trump’s intervention may salvage Milei’s political fortunes in the near term. But the U.S. president’s broader strategy for the region — which seems both anchored to his plans for mass deportations at home and driven by visions of hemispheric dominance, including his controversial targeting of alleged narco-traffickers in the Caribbean — aren’t endearing Latin America to the United States…

UPDATE: Trump admits Argentina bailout will not benefit the U.S.
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— Linda (@kirbyow.bsky.social) October 15, 2025 at 7:46 AM

Judd Legum, at Popular Information:

… During a question-and-answer session with the press following the meeting, Trump admitted the bailout for Argentina would be of little benefit to America. “It’s not going to make a big difference for our country,” Trump said.

On September 29, Popular Information reported that the bailout would immensely benefit billionaire hedge fund manager Rob Citrone, a personal friend and former colleague of Scott Bessent. A subsequent Popular Information report revealed that Citrone was in contact with Bessett about the bailout before it was announced.

Popular Information’s reporting was confirmed on October 9 by the New York Times…

Elizabeth Warren blasted the bailout as cronyism. “Trump promised ‘America First,’ but he’s putting himself and his billionaire buddies first and sticking Americans with the bill,” Warren said in a statement. She introduced legislation with seven other Senators to block the bailout.

During the press availability, Trump dismissed the concerns of American soybean farmers about Argentina. China has boycotted American soybeans as part of the ongoing trade dispute. Argentina has taken advantage by eliminating its export tax and then selling 1.5 million tons of soybeans to China within days. This has had a devastating impact on American farmers…

While farmers struggle to survive and the federal government is shut down, Milei is riding high thanks to the cash infusion from the Trump administration. “There will be an avalanche of dollars,” Milei said in a radio interview shortly before traveling to the White House. “We’ll have dollars pouring out of our ears.”

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These guys destroyed USAID (budget $28bn) causing a potential 14m preventable deaths by 2030 because the deficit but can find $40bn to bail out their buddies who stand to lose money in an Argentinian crash.

— Hari Kunzru (@harikunzru.bsky.social) October 15, 2025 at 10:42 PM

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Under siege: Argentina’s president drops his chainsaw https://theweek.com/politics/under-siege-argentinas-president-drops-his-chainsaw

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— Ron Dyck (@dyckron.mstdn.ca.ap.brid.gy) October 5, 2025 at 7:17 PM

Milei, apparently, is a very strange dude. The Week:

For a few months, our president was “the ‘golden boy’ of global politics”, said Agustino Fontevecchia in the Buenos Aires Times. An eccentric former TV pundit and devotee of the free market who owns five cloned dogs named after monetarist economists, Javier Milei is beloved by right-wingers for taking a “chainsaw” to government spending and regulation.

Elon Musk has lauded him as a “beacon of hope”; Kemi Badenoch has held him up as the “template” for all conservative leaders. And for a while, his highly controversial economic blueprint “appeared to be working”: since his election in 2023, Argentina’s inflation has dropped from 211% to 43%, and in January, the country posted a fiscal surplus for the first time in 14 years.

But now “the first anarcho-capitalist president in world history”, as he proclaims himself to be, is “under siege”. His administration has been embroiled in an explosive corruption scandal involving his sister; and early last month, his party, Liberty Advances, suffered a shock defeat in local elections in Buenos Aires. The markets then went haywire – forcing the central bank to spend $1 billion propping up the peso. The Peronist opposition is now scenting blood.

Cue Donald Trump, said Claudio Jacquelin in La Nación (Buenos Aires). Last week his administration stepped in with a “game-changer” – $20 billion in emergency credit to get Milei through the next few months. It’s an “extraordinary” payment for what are essentially junk bonds, said The Economist. Trump is offering this lifeline solely because he doesn’t want his libertarian pal’s wild economic project to fail. Uncle Sam is now “underwriting Milei’s laboratory”…

They’re using American tax dollars to fund infrastructure in Argentina because that’s where they’re all going to flee when we kick them out of office

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— Senator Ron Wyden (@wyden.senate.gov) October 5, 2025 at 2:14 PM

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War for Ukraine Day 1,334: Good Help Is So Hard To Find These Days

by Adam L Silverman|  October 20, 20258:13 pm| 36 Comments

This post is in: Foreign Affairs, Foreign Policy, Military, Open Threads, Russia, Silverman on Security, War, War in Ukraine

No one other than Ukraine ever had the combined factors of willpower, population, and strategic depth to defeat Russia’s contemporary empire.

Ukraine is the shield of the world, by default.

— Marika Mikiashvili 🇬🇪🇺🇦🇪🇺 (@marikamikiashvili.bsky.social) October 20, 2025 at 5:42 PM

Another cascading effect of Putin’s call with Trump last Thursday is that it gave Special Envoy Steve Witkoff a chance to once again demonstrate why he’s in way over his head:

Zelensky clearly annoyed with Steve Witkoff, who views the war as some sort of real estate transaction & pushes Kremlin talking points. Recently he pushed Kyiv to accept Putin’s demand for the rest of the Donbas because “it was incorporated into [Russia’s] constitution.”

Read Zelensky’s comments:

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— Christopher Miller (@christopherjm.ft.com) October 20, 2025 at 9:20 AM

“If I add two Russian regions to Ukraine’s Constitution, will Russia leave those regions?” – Zelenskyy

Good question for Witkoff to answer.

— Kate from Kharkiv (@kateinkharkiv.bsky.social) October 20, 2025 at 8:45 AM

As is his boss:

Trump on Putin and Zelensky: “They hate each other, and it makes it a little bit difficult.”

Look, we “hate” Russia, including Putin, because they kill us, destroy our cities, abduct our children, and do everything they can to erase Ukraine from existence.

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— Kate from Kharkiv (@kateinkharkiv.bsky.social) October 20, 2025 at 12:42 PM

Putin hates us because we refuse to let him.

It’s not the same. One hate is irrational enough to justify invasion. The other is a basic, human response to being attacked. I genuinely don’t understand what’s so hard to grasp about this. I really don’t.

— Kate from Kharkiv (@kateinkharkiv.bsky.social) October 20, 2025 at 12:42 PM

❗️Reporter: Did you discuss Putin’s attacks on civilian areas in Ukraine?

🇺🇸Trump: I did. But most of the people dying are soldiers.

— MAKS 25 👀🇺🇦 (@maks23.bsky.social) October 20, 2025 at 12:18 PM

A black and white picture of the Three Stooges. They are wearing hats, seated at a table, and all 3 are face palming themselves so that you cannot see their faces. The caption says: Triple Face Palm Because Even the Three Stooges Can See That You Fail.

A meme of COL Hogan, COL Klink, and Sergeant Schultz from Hogan's Heroes triple face palming in Klink's office. The caption says" Triple facepalm: For when a double facepalm is just not enough to describe the epic fail..."

Here is President Zelenskyy’s address from earlier today. Video below, English transcript after the jump.

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We Are Working with the United States to Ensure that Ukraine Still Can Receive the Necessary Number of Patriot Systems – Address by the President

20 October 2025 – 20:03

Fellow Ukrainians!

A brief summary of the day. Today, I held a meeting of the Staff. Much of it focused on the energy sector – recovery efforts across the regions, deployed headquarters, and the need for equipment reserves. This week will be very active in diplomacy, and there are several specific tasks related to essential equipment – for repairs and for power generation. Clear assignments have been given to our diplomats.

We are also working on gas supplies – ensuring volumes for the heating season. I want to thank every repair crew, I want to thank all Ukrainian gas workers – our people are working almost around the clock for Ukraine, to make sure Ukrainians have gas. We determined all the details regarding financing – how much funding will be sufficient for gas purchases and what the possible sources of financing could be. In fact, half of these funds have already been secured, and the Government will find the entire required volume. The relevant instructions have been given.

Of course, there were also military reports – in detail, about strengthening our aviation component. There will be greater combat capabilities for our aviation to protect infrastructure, including more helicopters. Prime Minister of Ukraine Yuliia Svyrydenko delivered a report – on energy-related matters as well. Good agreements have been reached with Slovakia following the visit of Ukraine’s Prime Minister. I’m grateful for that.

We are also working on projects with the United States in the energy sector. There is significant U.S. interest in cooperation on nuclear power generation, as well as on gas and oil. Ukraine’s infrastructure can provide greater energy security for the entire region – and the United States is clearly interested in that. Overall, this is already part of a much broader Euro-Atlantic strategy – the energy market in Europe must be freed not only from dependence on Russian energy resources but also from the very fact of their supply. Russia builds its policy on anti-European foundations and seeks to break Europe – this is something that definitely cannot be financed at Europe’s expense. Nowhere else in the world will Putin earn the kind of money he earned in Europe before this war – and, unfortunately, still continues to earn. Europe will continue to restrict this. We are also working with partners on new sanctions against Russia – there will be many negotiations on sanctions this week. I thank everyone who is helping.

Today, Minister of Defense of Ukraine Denys Shmyhal also delivered a report, primarily about the outcomes of the Ramstein meeting and new agreements with partners. There will be additional support packages. Separately – and very specifically – we are working with the United States to ensure that Ukraine still can receive the necessary number of Patriot systems. This is not an easy task, but it is one of the security guarantees for Ukraine – and it will work in the long term. In Washington, I spoke with defense companies that produce Patriots and other weapons we need. The willingness to work with Ukraine is fully sufficient – Ukraine is trusted. It is important that there be enough support for this at the political level in Washington.

And one more thing.

I spoke with President Macron – in particular about the current diplomatic prospects. We must keep up the pressure on Russia – now is the right moment, and pressure can open up new prospects. I also spoke with the Prime Minister of Denmark. Our cooperation with Denmark is very substantive – it covers defense production, as well as other forms of support for Ukraine. We greatly appreciate the political support, especially now that Denmark holds the presidency of the European Union, which helps us strengthen our positions. We are preparing joint European decisions that will be helpful. We are counting on a productive week ahead.

Glory to Ukraine!

Georgia:

Despite mass arrests and rainy, windy weather, Rustaveli Avenue remains blocked for the 327th consecutive day. 🇬🇪

Around two dozen protesters are currently in jail for blocking the avenue. Repeated “offenses” can lead to up to two years in prison.

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— Rusudan Djakeli (@rusudandjakeli.bsky.social) October 20, 2025 at 12:49 PM

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— Marika Mikiashvili 🇬🇪🇺🇦🇪🇺 (@marikamikiashvili.bsky.social) October 20, 2025 at 12:55 PM

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— Marika Mikiashvili 🇬🇪🇺🇦🇪🇺 (@marikamikiashvili.bsky.social) October 20, 2025 at 12:55 PM

Protesters are still blocking Rustaveli Avenue, despite the MIA having administratively detained 19 people over the past two days and planning to detain at least 8 more.

#GeorgiaProtests
#TerrorinGeorgia

📷 Mindia Gabadze

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— Publika.ge (@publikage.bsky.social) October 20, 2025 at 12:59 PM

Despite pouring rain, fatigue and disappointment after 327 days of uninterrupted protests — and mass arrests for standing on this very spot — brave and tireless Georgian protesters have blocked Rustaveli Avenue again, risking jail time. 🇬🇪

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— Rusudan Djakeli (@rusudandjakeli.bsky.social) October 20, 2025 at 1:02 PM

A Georgian protester monitoring oncoming traffic on Rustaveli Avenue, which has been blocked for the 327th day despite mass arrests. 🇬🇪

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— Rusudan Djakeli (@rusudandjakeli.bsky.social) October 20, 2025 at 1:03 PM

🗣️“They’ve come for me too! If they think they can scare me, my family, or my friends – they’re wrong. In the end, we will still win,” Formula TV journalist Keta Tsitskishvili reports being arrested in new wave of detentions targeting #GeorgiaProtests.

#RepressionInGeorgia

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— Batumelebi&Netgazeti (@netgazeti.org) October 20, 2025 at 5:37 AM

📢 Formula TV issues a statement calling on immediate release of detained journalist Keta Tsitskishvili.

Formula TV views the recent escalation in harassment of journalists as an attack on independent media, aimed at suppressing critical voices.

#RepressionInGeorgia #GeorgiaProtests

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— Batumelebi&Netgazeti (@netgazeti.org) October 20, 2025 at 7:59 AM

Tamar Totladze was abducted by the regime police in Samtredia, en route to Batumi.

Maximum she could have done is “wearing a mask” or “closing the road.”

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— Marika Mikiashvili 🇬🇪🇺🇦🇪🇺 (@marikamikiashvili.bsky.social) October 20, 2025 at 6:14 AM

Once again, Georgian police wait for protesters to exit Rustaveli Avenue, searching them for face masks and preparing grounds for their arrests tomorrow.

Wearing a mask at a protest now carries a 15-day sentence (up to 2 years for repeated ‘offenses’).

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— Rusudan Djakeli (@rusudandjakeli.bsky.social) October 20, 2025 at 2:59 PM

One of these girls said she put on the mask because she was entering the metro station. She wasn’t wearing it at the protest. For Ivanishvili’s regime, that doesn’t matter. They can do as they please.

📷 Netgazeti

— Rusudan Djakeli (@rusudandjakeli.bsky.social) October 20, 2025 at 3:08 PM

JUST IN: ex-Georgian Dream Prime Minister Giorgi Gakharia’s For Georgia party will be entering the illegitimate Parliament after a year of boycott.

And he’s doing it just as democratic parties are all going to be banned.

1/

— Marika Mikiashvili 🇬🇪🇺🇦🇪🇺 (@marikamikiashvili.bsky.social) October 20, 2025 at 4:57 AM

Gakharia, who is in Germany to avoid imprisonment, might aim for party survival and basic financial assistance, but in essence takes a step to normalize and legitimize the regime.

2/

— Marika Mikiashvili 🇬🇪🇺🇦🇪🇺 (@marikamikiashvili.bsky.social) October 20, 2025 at 4:57 AM

The democratic public support for parliamentary boycott is overwhelming, and whatever problems the Georgian Dream regime has is largely thanks to the domestic and international isolation – itself a result of the parliamentary boycott and one-party Parliament.

3/

— Marika Mikiashvili 🇬🇪🇺🇦🇪🇺 (@marikamikiashvili.bsky.social) October 20, 2025 at 4:57 AM

This isn’t just a matter of “different tactics in the same fight.” This is outright treason and Gakharia has thus ceased to be part of any framework of pro-Western, democratic oppo.

He’ll also be taking up the municipal seats – whatever the regime graced them with in the sham local elections.

4/

— Marika Mikiashvili 🇬🇪🇺🇦🇪🇺 (@marikamikiashvili.bsky.social) October 20, 2025 at 4:57 AM

Gakharia’s full assumption of a regime proxy role is a chance for Lelo to stop being in a limbo and try to come back to protests as a prodigal son.

5/5.

— Marika Mikiashvili 🇬🇪🇺🇦🇪🇺 (@marikamikiashvili.bsky.social) October 20, 2025 at 4:57 AM

Importantly, even the openly pro-Russian and violent party Alt-info got more votes in the sham local elections than Gakharia’s party 🤡

— Marika Mikiashvili 🇬🇪🇺🇦🇪🇺 (@marikamikiashvili.bsky.social) October 20, 2025 at 4:57 AM

A state-owned hospital in Batumi, Georgia fired neurologist Natia Kharati, who suspects it was due to her testimony in the trial of journalist and political prisoner Mzia Amaghlobeli — where she said the officer slapped by Mzia was simulating pain.

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— Rusudan Djakeli (@rusudandjakeli.bsky.social) October 20, 2025 at 3:18 PM

Georgian film director Giorgi Tavartkiladze went to the police station himself, demanding to be arrested like his fellow protesters.

“I was also blocking Rustaveli Avenue. My friends were detained — they should imprison me the same way,” he told Formula TV.

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— Rusudan Djakeli (@rusudandjakeli.bsky.social) October 20, 2025 at 3:20 PM

It’s no coincidence that one of the fiercest protesters in Georgia today is a scholar of Soviet history.

Rusiko Kobakhidze, mother of nine, crosses Rustaveli Avenue back and forth in defiance — repeating the act for which her friend was recently arrested.

🎥 Rusiko Kobakhidze

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— Rusudan Djakeli (@rusudandjakeli.bsky.social) October 20, 2025 at 3:27 PM

The Georgian Dream is very low on money, and everything they do has revenue in consideration. This is why their full financial isolation is essential.

1/

— Marika Mikiashvili 🇬🇪🇺🇦🇪🇺 (@marikamikiashvili.bsky.social) October 20, 2025 at 8:03 AM

From illegitimate PM Kobakhidze’s interviews, the Georgian Dream doesn’t hide that their immediate goal behind the crackdown on universities is university buildings and property, which could instead host different infrastructure.

2/

— Marika Mikiashvili 🇬🇪🇺🇦🇪🇺 (@marikamikiashvili.bsky.social) October 20, 2025 at 8:03 AM

Under the “reforms,” which implies distancing Georgia away from the Bologna Process (read: possibility to study abroad), less students will receive state grants for studies in Georgia, and the abolition of the 12th grade also saves money.

3/

— Marika Mikiashvili 🇬🇪🇺🇦🇪🇺 (@marikamikiashvili.bsky.social) October 20, 2025 at 8:03 AM

There’s also a widespread and quite likely hypothesis that the Georgian Dream is pressed for money by Russia, like a proxy and a vassal that the regime is.

It’s no news that Georgia is used for sanctions evasion as the regime Russia in its war effort against Ukraine.

4/4.

— Marika Mikiashvili 🇬🇪🇺🇦🇪🇺 (@marikamikiashvili.bsky.social) October 20, 2025 at 8:03 AM

Much gratitude to Marianna Prysiazhniuk and @euromaidanpress.bsky.social for this in-depth article describing it all about Georgia, also featuring my interview.

Sharing with a little delay. Apologies.
euromaidanpress.com/2025/10/14/u…

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— Marika Mikiashvili 🇬🇪🇺🇦🇪🇺 (@marikamikiashvili.bsky.social) October 20, 2025 at 12:40 PM

From EuroMaidan Press:

On 4 October, twenty thousand Georgians tried to storm the presidential palace in what they called the “Revolution of Flags” in response to contested elections securing the pro-Russian party’s grip even further.

Three days later, the regime charged five opposition leaders with attempting a coup d’état—crimes carrying up to nine years in prison. One of them, 70-year-old opera star Paata Burchuladze, was arrested in a hospital intensive care unit where he was recovering from a heart attack.

Prime Minister Irakli Kobakhidze’s warning was clear: “No one will go unpunished.”

It marked an escalation in Europe’s longest continuous daily protest—over 300 days and counting. And while the world watched Ukraine fight Russia’s military invasion, Georgia was falling to a different kind of conquest.

It was in February 2022 that Bidzina Ivanishvili—Georgia’s billionaire shadow ruler—made his bet. Russia would crush Ukraine in days, maybe weeks. Better be on the winning side. He’d made his $7 billion fortune in 1990s Russia and learned one lesson: always bet on Moscow.

Three years later, Ukraine still fights. And Georgia is quietly slipping into Russia’s orbit without a single Russian soldier crossing the border.

Euromaidan Press spoke with two Georgian voices on the front lines of this struggle: Marika Mikiashvili, Foreign Secretary of the opposition party Droa, Coalition for Change and lecturer at Alte University in Tbilisi, and Aka Zarkua, executive editor of Realpolitika. Their accounts reveal a strategic disaster unfolding in their country.

Georgia and Ukraine were supposed to be the same story—post-Soviet democracies that chose Europe over Moscow. Both applied for NATO membership. Both signed EU association agreements. Both got invaded by Russia, testing Western resolve.

But their paths diverged completely in February 2022.

Ukraine’s unexpected resistance trapped Georgia’s oligarch on the wrong side of history. Now, as Ukraine bleeds to stop Russian expansion, Georgia is handing Moscow a strategic victory without firing a shot.

“It’s thanks to Ukraine’s heroic fight—Russia is just distracted from our region, from the Caucasus at this moment,” Mikiashvili says.

While the world’s eyes were fixed on Ukraine, Georgians have been protesting daily for 322 consecutive days—the longest continuous daily protest in modern European history.

“It’s unprecedented,” Mikiashvili says. Other major resistance movements had sporadic demonstrations or weekend rallies, but nothing sustained and daily for this long.

More at the link.

The EU:

“We see President Trump’s efforts to bring peace to Ukraine, all these efforts are welcome but we don’t see Russia wanting peace,” warned @kajakallas.bsky.social.

Europeans rush to Zelenskyy’s defence after tense Trump meeting
w/ @alicemhancock.bsky.social @andybounds.bsky.social
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— Christopher Miller (@christopherjm.ft.com) October 20, 2025 at 9:22 AM

From The Financial Times:

European governments have rallied behind Volodymyr Zelenskyy and are rushing to secure a deal on the use of Russia’s frozen assets after the Ukrainian leader was pressured by Donald Trump to accept Vladimir Putin’s demands to end the war.

“We see President Trump’s efforts to bring peace to Ukraine, all these efforts are welcome but we don’t see Russia wanting peace,” warned Kaja Kallas, the EU’s top diplomat, on Monday. “We are discussing what more we can do.”

Kallas spoke after the Financial Times reported on a tense White House meeting between Trump and Zelenskyy on Friday, in which Ukraine’s leader sought to present counter-arguments to Putin’s maximalist requests, which include territorial concessions.

But Trump warned Zelenskyy that Putin had threatened to “destroy” Ukraine if it did not comply, and insisted that a peace deal was within reach when the US and Russian presidents meet in Budapest in the coming weeks.

On Monday Trump told reporters that “if we make a deal, that’s great. If we don’t make a deal . . . a lot of people are going to be paying a big price”.

European leaders will hold a summit on Thursday in Brussels, potentially with Zelenskyy, aiming to agree on using immobilised Russian assets for a €140bn loan to Ukraine, which German Chancellor Friedrich Merz has suggested be used solely to arm Kyiv.

EU foreign ministers meeting in Luxembourg on Monday voiced support for Ukraine, saying the bloc must agree the use of Russian frozen assets and a further round of sanctions against Moscow.

“The EU should put Ukraine in a strong starting position by providing military assistance, by looking at how we can use the financial assets to give them some kind of financial alleviation in order for them to have the best cards at the table,” said David van Weel, the Dutch foreign minister.

EU officials are confident that the Thursday summit will give the green light to the European Commission to put forward a proposal on lending the money in tranches, which will be used to buy weapons.

More at the link.

European Central Bank President Christine Lagarde signaled openness to using frozen Russian assets to secure funding for Ukraine as long as countries around the world move in unison.- Bloomberg 👀

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— Kate from Kharkiv (@kateinkharkiv.bsky.social) October 20, 2025 at 9:55 AM

It’s the move in unison bit that’s tricky.

Spain:

🇪🇸 Unidentified drones in the skies of Spain for the first time – due to the fixation of UAV over Mallorca airport, its operation was temporarily suspended and dozens of flights were redirected, – Bild

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— MAKS 25 👀🇺🇦 (@maks23.bsky.social) October 20, 2025 at 5:58 AM

Lithuania:

Former Lithuanian Minister of Health Aurimas Pečkauskas spent two and a half weeks in the combat zone in the Donetsk region.

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— WarTranslated (Dmitri) (@wartranslated.bsky.social) October 20, 2025 at 2:08 PM

Back to Ukraine.

F-16 of the Air Force of Ukraine. The aircraft is armed with AIM-120 and AIM-9X air-to-air missiles, as well as eight GBU-39 precision-guided bombs.

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— 🦋Special Kherson Cat🐈🇺🇦 (@specialkhersoncat.bsky.social) October 20, 2025 at 3:59 PM

Russian motorized assault group rushes to the attack. P.S.: Kudos to those who laid the smoke screen.

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— 🦋Special Kherson Cat🐈🇺🇦 (@specialkhersoncat.bsky.social) October 20, 2025 at 11:40 AM

Kharkiv:

Ukrainian media report that Kharkiv is currently under heavy shelling. Four aerial bombs have already hit the thermal power plant.

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— WarTranslated (Dmitri) (@wartranslated.bsky.social) October 20, 2025 at 5:31 PM

Kostiantynivka:

This is how Kostiantynivka looks up close today—burnt and ruined. Just like everywhere Russia goes.

Our towns and cities continue to be razed while the West struggles to summon the political will to help Ukraine end this horror.

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— Kate from Kharkiv (@kateinkharkiv.bsky.social) October 20, 2025 at 9:24 AM

Orilka, Kharkiv Oblast:

Russian forces struck a residential home in Orilka, Kharkiv region.

“A Shahed drone hit a private house, sparking a fire. A family lived there. The mother sustained severe injuries and is now in hospital receiving urgent medical care.

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— Kate from Kharkiv (@kateinkharkiv.bsky.social) October 20, 2025 at 8:36 AM

The father and two young daughters are suffering acute stress reactions. Medical teams are attending to them as well,” local authorities reported.

— Kate from Kharkiv (@kateinkharkiv.bsky.social) October 20, 2025 at 8:36 AM

Kharkiv:

Russian “Gerbera” drone landed right on the sidewalk in Kharkiv!

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— Kate from Kharkiv (@kateinkharkiv.bsky.social) October 20, 2025 at 6:06 AM

The Zaporizhzhia front:

❗️Big Russian attack with 26 armoured vehicles repelled today on the Zaporizhzhia front!

At 14:00, Russian forces from the 71st Motorized Rifle Regiment attempted a mechanized assault on Mala Tokmachka. A total of 26 vehicles, including tanks, BMPs, BTRs, and “Tigr” armored vehicles.

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— 🦋Special Kherson Cat🐈🇺🇦 (@specialkhersoncat.bsky.social) October 20, 2025 at 5:29 PM

/2. The Russians advanced in several waves — and were repelled.
Situation as of 20:00:

•Russian losses:
– 2 tanks destroyed
– 12 BMPs destroyed
– 6 BTRs destroyed
– 2 “Tigr” armored vehicles destroyed
•A few Russian vehicles managed to retreat; the rest were destroyed or are being finished off.

— 🦋Special Kherson Cat🐈🇺🇦 (@specialkhersoncat.bsky.social) October 20, 2025 at 5:30 PM

/3. Defensive actions:
•Ukrainian artillery, FPV drones, strike drones with munitions, and engineer barriers worked in close coordination.
•The Ukrainian tank battalion engaged with direct fire, achieving precise hits on advancing Russian armor.

— 🦋Special Kherson Cat🐈🇺🇦 (@specialkhersoncat.bsky.social) October 20, 2025 at 5:30 PM

/4. •Ukrainian defensive coordination and accurate fire control effectively stopped the Russian attack.

— 🦋Special Kherson Cat🐈🇺🇦 (@specialkhersoncat.bsky.social) October 20, 2025 at 5:30 PM

Russian occupied Crimea:

“The Feodosia oil depot in Crimea is no longer recoverable after being struck by Ukrainian forces.” – Mykhailo Honchar, president of the Centre for Globalistics “Strategy XXI,” told Ukrainian media.

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— WarTranslated (Dmitri) (@wartranslated.bsky.social) October 20, 2025 at 5:10 PM

Ukrainian Defence Intelligence specialists located and struck a hidden Russian “Valdai” radar at Dzhankoi airfield in occupied Crimea. The advanced system is designed to detect and counter small UAVs.
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— WarTranslated (Dmitri) (@wartranslated.bsky.social) October 20, 2025 at 12:16 PM

Samara Oblast, Russia:

Low resolution satellite images show some distinct damage to the Novokuibyshevsk oil refinery on Sunday. Some clearly seen damage: petroleum products storage tanks next to the ELOU AVT-11 oil processing unit and the sulfuric acid production.

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— 🦋Special Kherson Cat🐈🇺🇦 (@specialkhersoncat.bsky.social) October 20, 2025 at 3:50 PM

Orenburg Oblast, Russia:

The Orenburg Gas Processing Plant in Russia is in flames 🔥

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— Kate from Kharkiv (@kateinkharkiv.bsky.social) October 20, 2025 at 7:32 AM

More from russian Orenburg 🔥🔥🔥

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— Kate from Kharkiv (@kateinkharkiv.bsky.social) October 20, 2025 at 7:39 AM

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— UNITED24 Media (@united24media.com) October 18, 2025 at 2:38 PM

Open thread!

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Monday Evening Open Thread: They’re Flailing

by Anne Laurie|  October 20, 20256:14 pm| 81 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Proud to Be A Democrat, Republicans in Disarray!

I actually think that this is a relatively interesting point, that does show the limits of what Trump can and can't do, but more importantly, -also- shows that the shape of authoritarianism in the 21st century is not monarchy or 20th century era fascism. It's very different.

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— Schnorkles O'Bork (@schnorkles.bsky.social) October 20, 2025 at 10:39 AM

Part of Trump's little meltdown on Sunday was very clearly that he wanted to stop the rallies, desperately, and sent all his little toadies scurrying out to Streisand effect the entire dumb thing, but he had neither the levers to pull nor the personnel to actually do so.

— Schnorkles O'Bork (@schnorkles.bsky.social) October 20, 2025 at 10:41 AM

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Chip Roy is a great messenger for … the Democratic Party.

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— davidrlurie (@davidrlurie.bsky.social) October 20, 2025 at 2:46 PM

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If George Soros paid for millions of people to protest Trump, you'd think Ernst and co. would have found more evidence than the international Jewish conspiracy vibe she's positing.

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— Dan Friedman (@dfriedman.bsky.social) October 20, 2025 at 1:49 PM

If Elon Musk paid me NOT to show up on Saturday I'd have sent the money to George Soros and gone anyway.

— David Simon (@audacityofdespair.bsky.social) October 20, 2025 at 1:50 PM

Republicans can always be counted upon for making up ridiculous nonsense, but their claim that Americans need to be PAID by George Soros to show disapproval of Donald Trump is so shamelessly ludicrous. We gladly and eagerly hate him for free. And are willing to take the streets and parks to show it.

— Mrs. Betty Bowers (@mrsbettybowers.bsky.social) October 20, 2025 at 4:57 PM

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How to Save a Democracy in 159 Weeks

by Betty Cracker|  October 20, 20253:02 pm| 236 Comments

This post is in: C.R.E.A.M., Open Threads, Politics, Republican Venality

In the morning thread, we were shooting the shit about the state of the country and what it will take to save democracy. Responding to a comment from Rusty about the Supreme Court’s role in our current authoritarian moment, I said:

Agree 100% that the SCOTUS is currently serving as democracy’s suicide vest, and we can’t do a thing to defuse it right now.

When the Roberts court finishes gutting the VRA this summer, we’ll have one shot at a massive wave election to open a window Dems can use to make meaningful reforms. I hope party leaders and regular folks are ready.

In response to that, Chief Oshkosh (reasonably!) asked what I think “ready” looks like. It’s party leaders internalizing principles like the following — which many already have.

The filibuster must die. I don’t know how its demise will happen. Either Senate Dems reach a consensus that spans from “contrarians” like Fetterman to “institutionalists” like Coons or King. Maybe Senate Dems goad Trump into ordering Republicans to blow it up on Trump’s watch. But its end must come, or we’ll limp along the road to fascism until there’s no turning back.

The Supreme Court must expand. It probably won’t be popular, but it has to happen next time Dems have a trifecta because a court that says Joe Biden can’t forgive student loans but Trump has absolute monarchical powers must be reined in, and the only feasible way to do that is through court expansion. Due to the Senate’s anti-majoritarian structure, we’ll probably never have the votes to impeach, convict and remove the corrupt, lying crooks currently occupying six of the nine seats, and there’s nothing constitutionally sacred about nine seats anyway.

The Citizens United decision must be overturned or defanged by the states. It will be such a heavy lift, but getting money out of politics has to happen or we’ll always be holding the fascist wolf by the ears inches from our throats. Court expansion might give us the power to overturn a terrible decision that has utterly corrupted American democracy, but the Center for American Progress says a state-level corporate power reset could also help address it. Whatever it takes.

Tech monopolies must be broken. Right now, tech oligarchs either outright control or wield outsized influence on every major communication platform, digital and legacy alike. That goes a long way toward explaining how they were able to purchase the government and are now corruptly enriching themselves at our expense and rigging the economy to socialize the risks and privatize the profits.

The wealthy and corporations must finally pay their fucking share of taxes. There’s broad agreement in principle on this, and it needn’t be framed as an “eat the rich” proposition, which gives some folks the vapors. It can be framed as a return to Eisenhower-era tax rates, you know, the time when we constructed an interstate highway system and created a space program and built a world-class educational system, etc.

Those who corruptly abused power must be held accountable. The current Supreme Court conferred impunity on Donald Trump with its presidential immunity decision. I’m not a lawyer, but I don’t think the decision necessarily immunized people like Rubio, Hegseth, Bondi, Homan, Musk, Thiel, Miller, Vought, Bessent, Lutnick, RFK Jr., the Trump family, etc. If they’ve corruptly abused power in a legally actionable way, they must be pursued in court to the gates of hell, in the interest of justice AND as a deterrent to future autocrat toadies.

Institutions must be reimagined, not just rebuilt. One of the advantages of standing in rubble is that you’re free to reimagine the structures that once stood rather than rebuilding them exactly as before. Trumpism destroyed the infrastructure upon which American democracy rested from WW2 to 2024. If Dems regain power, we will have the opportunity to create stronger institutions that serve the common good, codify the apparently endless series of “norms” that democracy depends on (such as “the president and his family and cronies cannot use state power to enrich themselves”) and dictator-proof agencies. “How” is above my pay grade, but hopefully “why” is obvious.

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So, that’s how I think party leaders can get ready to save democracy. I don’t think I’ve said anything original; we’ve discussed these topics before, but it felt worth it to gather them all in one place. Like I said up top, I think many party leaders are there already, including elected or previously serving Democrats who are sometimes mentioned as prospective 2028 candidates, such as Pete Buttigieg and Chris Murphy.

As for how voters get ready to save democracy, the base (which in this context I am defining as Democrats who volunteer, donate and/or consistently vote in primaries and general elections) needs to demand leadership that meets the moment. I think the base is already there too.

Sadly, the base isn’t enough to win elections, so if I had advice for politicians who will need votes from lightly attached/engaged voters, I’d say study this James Talarico clip for clues on how to avoid getting mired in bad-faith culture war bullshit.

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— Angels In Velvet (@angelsinvelvet.bsky.social) October 19, 2025 at 7:39 PM

To sum up if you can’t watch the video, Talarico answers a question about trans athletes by saying that in numerous interviews, no one has asked him about the cost of groceries or healthcare or childcare but instead asked about trans athletes. He says the targets of Republican scaremongering, whether trans people, undocumented immigrants, Muslims, etc., are 1% of the population, but they aren’t the 1% who are defunding education, driving prices higher and taking away healthcare — that’s the other 1%, the billionaires. He says we should focus on THAT 1% since they are the problem.

Not every pitch will work in every district, of course. Maybe tech mogul suck-up Ro Khanna can’t denounce billionaires and keep his job, I don’t know. But the point is, you don’t have to accept media/opponent framing and give painfully legalistic answers and/or throw vulnerable people under the bus. You can call bullshit on the question and shift the frame to favorable ground.

Open thread!

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ICE is Picking up U.S. Citizens, Kicking, Dragging and Detaining Them

by WaterGirl|  October 20, 202512:48 pm| 67 Comments

This post is in: Breathtaking Criminality and Lawlessness, Immigration, Open Threads, Politics

ICE is picking up U.S. citizens, even ones with IDs that show they are citizens.

Do they care?  Apparently not.

Are they changing their procedures so that can’t happen again?  Apparently not!

As long as you are the wrong color, you are apparently not human.

Anyone who does that job is evil.

It’s happened to this fellow. Twice!

ICE is Picking up U.S. Citizens, Kicking, Dragging and Detaining Them

We Found That More Than 170 U.S. Citizens Have Been Held by Immigration Agents. They’ve Been Kicked, Dragged and Detained for Days  (ProPublica)

Highlights:

  • Americans Detained: The government doesn’t track how many citizens are held by immigration agents. We found more than 170 cases this year where citizens were detained at raids and protests.
  • Held Incommunicado: More than 20 citizens have reported being held for over a day without being able to call their loved ones or a lawyer. In some cases their families couldn’t find them.
  • Cases Wilted: Agents have arrested about 130 Americans, including a dozen elected officials, for allegedly interfering with or assaulting officers, yet those cases were often dropped.

When the Supreme Court recently allowed immigration agents in the Los Angeles area to take race into consideration during sweeps, Justice Brett Kavanaugh said that citizens shouldn’t be concerned.

“If the officers learn that the individual they stopped is a U.S. citizen or otherwise lawfully in the United States,” Kavanaugh wrote, “they promptly let the individual go.”

But that is far from the reality many citizens have experienced. Americans have been dragged, tackled, beaten, tased and shot by immigration agents. They’ve had their necks kneeled on. They’ve been held outside in the rain while in their underwear. At least three citizens were pregnant when agents detained them. One of those women had already had the door of her home blown off while Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem watched.

About two dozen Americans have said they were held for more than a day without being able to phone lawyers or loved ones.

Videos of U.S. citizens being mistreated by immigration agents have filled social media feeds, but there is little clarity on the overall picture. The government does not track how often immigration agents hold Americans.

So ProPublica created its own count.

Give ProPublica a click and read the whole article, and consider supporting their actual journalism.

Step aside WP and NYT, until you remember what journalism means.  If you ever knew.

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No Kings – Mr. Mack – Springfield, TN

by WaterGirl|  October 20, 202510:45 am| 21 Comments

This post is in: No Kings Oct 18, 2025, Open Threads

live in a deep red pocket of a deep red state. Roughly 30 minutes north of Nashville.  This is Springfield Tennessee.  About 300 showed up. Impressive.

Lots of horn honking support.  For as hot as it is today, the turn-out was surprizing.

Mr. Mack

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Monday Morning Open Thread: The ACA Is Here to Stay

by Anne Laurie|  October 20, 20255:54 am| 201 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Republicans in Disarray!, World's Best Healthcare (If You Can Afford It)

‘Roots are so deep’: The GOP is straining to get past its Obamacare morass
www.politico.com/news/2025/10…

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— Steve Jenkins (@stevejenkins.us) October 17, 2025 at 9:12 AM

How *dare* the Democrats devise a healthcare assistance program that, however imperfect, has managed to make millions of voters healthier & happier! Per Politico, “‘Roots are so deep’: The GOP is straining to get past its Obamacare morass”:

The ongoing debate over soon-to-expire Affordable Care Act insurance subsidies has reopened an old wound for Republicans: What should they do about the health care law they have railed against for more than a decade but has now taken root with their own constituents?

While some GOP hard-liners are again embracing repeal-and-replace rhetoric, the scars from the party’s failed attempt to undo the ACA in 2017 have left a broader swath of Republicans extremely wary of trying to rip out the law — even as they continue to criticize it.

Instead, as Democrats put the ACA at the center of the ongoing government shutdown fight, Republican leaders and key senators are acknowledging the political reality that Obamacare, at least for the immediate future, is here to stay. Republicans are, instead, eyeing a bipartisan end-of-year health care push that could pair a conservative overhaul of the expiring subsidies with modest proposals that would tweak — but not fully uproot — the 2010 law.

Speaker Mike Johnson is downplaying prospects for nixing the ACA ahead of the midterms, saying this week he still has “PTSD” from the GOP’s 2017 repeal-and-replace debacle.

Senate Majority Leader John Thune made clear in an interview his members are making plans for a bigger health policy push, including “reforms” to the subsidies, in the next government funding package and potentially elsewhere before the end of the year…

The expiring tax credits, expanded by Democrats in 2021, are driving the desire to act on health care this year — millions could go uninsured come the new year without legislative action, according to the Congressional Budget Office. At the same time, Republicans have been discussing a menu of other options in the health care policy arena, both among themselves and with White House officials.

Ideas include overhauling the operation of drug intermediaries, known as pharmacy benefit managers; granting Americans additional options around Health Savings Accounts; and allowing more flexible employer-provided health insurance plans…

But Democrats are already seizing on the repeal talk in some corners of the GOP, with Sen. Patty Murray of Washington comparing it to the cataclysmic sinking of the Titanic.

“It is bad enough so many of them can see the iceberg coming and are saying, ‘Ah, we’ll worry about that after the ship goes down.’ But we’ve also got Republicans saying that you wish this ship had sunk earlier,” Murray, the Senate’s top Democratic appropriator, told reporters. She was referring to the GOP’s refusal to extend the Obamacare subsidies before Nov. 1, at which point notices will go out alerting enrollees to massive premium hikes…

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Nothing under serious discussion has so far come close to what some GOP lawmakers are most eager to discuss as the year-end deadline for the tax credits barrels closer: a complete reversal of the ACA. And while appetite within the GOP leadership for gutting the ACA is minimal at this point, vocal opponents of the law could have an influence in a narrowly-divided House Republican majority…

Other Republicans are trying to urge their colleagues away from igniting a politically explosive debate just over a year out from the midterms, recalling the 2018 Democratic wave election that was attributable to backlash from the GOP repeal-and-replace efforts.

Even Sen. Rick Scott (R-Fla.), a longtime critic of the Democratic health law, stopped short when asked if he backed the call from some of his colleagues to nix Obamacare entirely…

Johnson also warned this week that the ACA’s “roots are so deep” that many Republicans are wary of trying to “completely repeal and replace” it. The law now provides coverage for more than 20 million Americans and touches a significant segment of the economy…

Sen. Markwayne Mullin, an Oklahoma Republican who’s been tapped by the White House to work with Democrats on a shutdown offramp, said in an interview this week said the current imperative for government funding negotiations is to “keep it simple” with “some just very easy changes that both sides can agree to and then get in the weeds at a later date.”

“I’m afraid once we dive into health care,” Mullin added. “It’s going to take a while to unpack that.”

Mike Johnson: It's Obama's fault that we can't repeal Obamacare.

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— James Downie (@jamescdownie.bsky.social) October 13, 2025 at 12:12 PM

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