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Careful With the Deus Ab Accusatore Stuff

by @heymistermix.com|  January 19, 20243:23 pm| 144 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads

My dad and I have a ritual of 5 o’clock cocktails and TV/cable news when I’m visiting, so I watched way more MSNBC over the holidays than the none that I normally would watch.  5 PM Central means Ari Melber on MSNBC, whom I usually don’t mind too much, but he seemed to be on a mission to spout breathless encomiums to the prosecutors going after Trump.  I’m not talking one episode — it was multiple lead-off pieces about Jack Smith, Fani Willis and Tish James, to name the ones I can remember.

Maybe I’ve spent too much time listening to my lawyer siblings, and to Ken White (Popehat), but I sure don’t have a huge amount of confidence in your average — or even above-average — prosecutor.  The deck is very stacked in their favor in most cases, with clients lacking resources to mount a decent defense, with elected judges who are invested in appearing to be “law and order judges” and with clients who are likely to plea out when they see the charges stacked up against them.  So, I think they get lazy and/or sloppy.

This seems to be what happened to Fani Willis.  I don’t know what she was thinking when she hired her boyfriend Nathan Wade as the outside counsel (paid $650K) in the Trump and friends RICO case, but it’s definitely sloppy work to think that someone wouldn’t make hay from accusations of self-dealing based on that decision.  And here we are today, with news that she traveled with Wade (gift link) to Miami and San Francisco using tickets he bought.  Tomorrow or the next day will bring another drip in this drip drip scandal, because Wade is going through an apparently acrimonious divorce, and his wife seems to be more than a little interested in fucking him over.  That does tend to happen with divorces, especially when one member of the couple is a lawyer.  At minimum, a major fail by Willis that taints the case.  At most, it destroys the case when she has to recuse and another prosecutor without  the same level of interest/drive is appointed to the case.

I’m all about getting Trump in front of as many judges and juries as possible, but this Willis scandal is a great reminder that prosecutors are quite fallible, often look at prosecutions as a way to advance their political careers, and sometimes have the hubris that comes from easy wins.  Also, with regard to the Department of Justice January 6 investigation, prosecutors are sometimes too timid — I’ll outsource the commentary on Merrick Garland’s timidity to Josh Marshall (gift link).   In other words, we can’t count on them to do the heavy lifting in getting rid of Trump.

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Off-Ramp Ron

by Betty Cracker|  January 19, 20242:06 pm| 100 Comments

This post is in: 2024 Primaries, Open Threads, Politics, Republican Stupidity

According to this Times article by DeSantis beat writer Nicholas Nehamas, Ron DeSantis knows he’s not going to be the GOP’s 2024 nominee and is looking for an exit that preserves his 2028 prospects:

After a humbling loss in Iowa, Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida is starting to signal that he is building an off-ramp from the race for the Republican presidential nomination, a seeming acknowledgment of his dim prospects of defeating Donald J. Trump given his low poll numbers in New Hampshire and South Carolina.

So far this week, Mr. DeSantis has cast his eyes forward to 2028 with anecdotes about Trump supporters saying they would vote for him next time around if he runs again in four years. He has conceded that Mr. Trump’s thumping victory in Iowa on Monday made for a “good showing in terms of him winning the nomination.” And he has openly admitted that he believes he made a strategic mistake by icing out the traditional media earlier in the campaign.

It all amounted to a kind of frankness that Mr. DeSantis has not always shown in his public comments about the nominating contest — and a marked change in tone for a candidate who spent most of last year brashly promising he would win Iowa, which he lost by 30 points.

With any luck, the back half of DeSantis’s governorship won’t go as smoothly as the first now that statehouse toadies have no immediate motivation to cower and suck up. There’s also reason to hope that wingnut donors who got torched by Ron in 2024 remember how wantonly he squandered their millions and keep their wallets shut in 2028.

DeSantis braying like a jackass

Most of all, I hope Trump settles the heir apparent question once and for all this year by getting clobbered by Joe Biden. (Again.) Maybe such a glorious event could finally prompt Republicans to eschew candidates with Trump loser stink on them. That group definitely includes The Beast’s imitator Ron DeSantis.

Open thread.

PS: I will probably not be able to resist dancing on DeSantis’s political grave for a few more weeks. Don’t feel constrained by the topic of the post — talk about whatever!

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Injustice Anywhere

by WaterGirl|  January 19, 202411:26 am| 272 Comments

This post is in: Balloon Juice, Open Threads

Commenter Lobo added this comment to the end of a thread on Wednesday.

I hope this helps:

“Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly.”
― Martin Luther King Jr., Letter from the Birmingham Jail

We have to have each other’s back. They are after all of us.

For anyone who missed the conversation in this thread…

This and That in the News

… I posed the following question:

Is there any interest in a guest post series?

What it’s like to be __________  right now?

Trans, gay, Ukrainian, female, Jewish, Palestinian, black, Russian, undocumented….  the list is much longer, and I am not signaling importance by whether a group is listed, or the order in which they are listed.

We could have one or two people writing from each group that feels particularly threatened by the authoritarian threats around us?  Because I’m betting that even within a particular group everyone may not see it the same.

Happy to hear feedback, whether it’s yay or nay.

With this post, I am not trying to re-litigate things that were discussed in that thread, just trying to get a feel for whether there’s interest in a series where we hear about what life looks like from different points of view.

Life is complicated right now.  If anyone wants to write a guest post for this, please send me an email message.

Otherwise this is a TOTALLY OPEN THREAD.  What do you want to talk about?

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Evangelical Christian Sounds So Much Nicer Than White Nationalist

by WaterGirl|  January 19, 202410:00 am| 119 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads

These lyrics from Eve of Destruction have always stuck with me.

And think of all the hate there is in Red China
Then take a look around to Selma, Alabama
Ah, you may leave here for four days in space
But when you return, it’s the same old place
The poundin’ of the drums, the pride and disgrace
You can bury your dead, but don’t leave a trace
Hate your next door neighbor
but don’t forget to say grace

 

 

I saw links to this NYT article in multiple places yesterday, but I have slept since then and I don’t recall who the linkers were.

Evangelical christian sounds so much nicer than white nationalist, which at least some of your neighbors might not approve of.

What may matter more than endorsements and policy plans are Mr. Trump’s embrace of Christianity as a cultural identity — and his promises to defend it.

At a recent rally in Waterloo, Iowa, Mr. Trump cast Christians as a broadly persecuted group facing down a government weaponized against them. Catholics are the current target of “the communists, Marxists and fascists,” he said, citing a recent controversy about a retracted F.B.I. memo, and adding that “evangelicals will not be far behind.”

Read the whole thing – here’s a gift link.

If you click the link, you will see an image of a very ordinary looking woman, seemingly bowing her head as if in prayer, or as if in the presence of a deity.  It feels somehow like a mashup of a prayer and a pledge of allegiance,  I found that image very evocative, revoting in fact – it seems like we are just one step away from “Trump baptisms” at Trump rallies.  And loyalty oaths.  You just know that these people would sell out their neighbors, and their families, even their children, if it curried favor with their LEADER.

So disgusting.  Hoping the nausea will fade if I get my thoughts out there.

Bonus: for a (sad) laugh and as a palate cleanser.

“Let me get this straight. You welcomed nude photos of Hunter Biden in a public hearing but you won’t welcome the testimony of Hunter Biden in a public hearing. If Hunter testified in the nude, would you then let him appear for a public hearing?” https://t.co/ArrGFZIJZ7

— The New Republic (@newrepublic) January 19, 2024

Open thread.

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TGIFriday Morning Open Thread: A Treat Well-Earned

by Anne Laurie|  January 19, 20247:03 am| 197 Comments

This post is in: Biden Administration in Action, Open Threads, President Biden, Proud to Be A Democrat

President Biden and I will always fight for fundamental freedoms and opportunity for all people in our nation. pic.twitter.com/1FTxcrHVKR

— Vice President Kamala Harris (@VP) January 18, 2024

Watch here. More of this please. Don’t let voters forget about the fact that the vast majority of Republicans voted against the infrastructure act, but, now, they are conveniently taking credit for historic projects in their communities. Pathetic.pic.twitter.com/97fTznnfBC

— Victor Shi (@Victorshi2020) January 18, 2024

Biden is ordering milkshakes at Cook Out restaurant in Raleigh, NC pic.twitter.com/mC0H4tiXRG

— Jennifer Jacobs (@JenniferJJacobs) January 18, 2024

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I read this as…Biden knows what’s up in NC and goes to Cook Out restaurant to grab a 🔥 milkshake pic.twitter.com/YBh1vetmCi

— Wu Tang is for the Children (@WUTangKids) January 19, 2024


(Black & whites are the best shakes, IMO, even if that drives the haterz crazier. It seems to have been a popular move with North Carolina media, though.)

Man this is awesome. President Biden visited the suburbs of Raleigh, North Carolina today and stopped at a local residence to have a conversation with a family. He ended up staying for over an hour. This is who Biden is. He cares about each individual American. Amazing. pic.twitter.com/xedlQqmSd0

— Harry Sisson (@harryjsisson) January 19, 2024

President Biden also takes aim directly at Donald Trump for his wanting the stock market to crash. Love this tone and directness. The contrast between Joe Biden and Donald Trump couldn’t be greater. Biden-Harris 2024. Watch ?? pic.twitter.com/9DBZNwWOOR

— Victor Shi (@Victorshi2020) January 18, 2024

Biden notes Trump got lowest votes in Iowa in a while. He chatted with reporters on White House South Lawn before leaving for North Carolina.

— Jennifer Jacobs (@JenniferJJacobs) January 18, 2024

I’d have given a lesser finger in return for this, back when I was young & poor…

BREAKING: The Biden administration is ending bank overdraft fees as we know them.

Under a new Consumer Financial Protection Bureau rule, overdraft fees at large banks will be strictly regulated and capped as low as $3. Low-income Americans will save billions.

— More Perfect Union (@MorePerfectUS) January 17, 2024

The movement to Save Our Health Care from Trump’s threat to “terminate” the ACA is about meeting the kitchen table needs of the American people — and it’s about their freedom of choice.

That’s why @JoeBiden and Democrats will win health care voters and pro-Roe voters in 2024!-NP pic.twitter.com/5KHDIGcuxn

— Nancy Pelosi (@TeamPelosi) January 18, 2024

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Foreign Affairs Open Thread: Merrie Englund, Proud & Free

by Anne Laurie|  January 19, 20244:02 am| 72 Comments

This post is in: C.R.E.A.M., Foreign Affairs, Open Threads

Excl: The Home Office has hired an aircraft hangar and a fuselage so they can practice forcibly removing migrants on to planes.

It’s part of the government’s preparations for the first Rwanda flights: https://t.co/UIOBrE5b56

— Matt Dathan (@matt_dathan) January 18, 2024

Sometimes, when an American official like Greg Abbott or Ron DeSantis is being particularly obnoxious about threatening to saw off their fringe of nation for INDEPENDENCE, I check in on our British neighbors to see how the IRL test of such political theories is going…

A British Tory Prime Minister, on the very morning his party polls at TWENTY PERCENT, standing at a lectern insisting that a racist policy MADE UP OUT OF THIN AIR two and a half years after the last election is “the Will of the People”.

For shame, Britain, for shame.

— David Andress (@ProfDaveAndress) January 18, 2024

Keep the filthy furriners out of our schools!

imagining the outraged stories in the british press five years from about sneaky perfidious foreign universities snapping up the high-paying international students who used to fund UK higher education https://t.co/YsEErlD7fF

— flglmn (@flglmn) January 1, 2024

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I remember someone had a theory that in children of men the rest of the world was actually fine and the UK just chose to Do That and every month that seems more plausible https://t.co/TLdL2DTimU

— Seva (@SevaUT) January 1, 2024


(Children of Men)
 
… But we have our FREEDUMB!

hahahaha we left the EU, that’ll show those European bureaucrats that we’re tough and cool and
wait, WTF pic.twitter.com/WU0IKn7yWH

— Tom Nichols (@RadioFreeTom) December 27, 2023

Brits have been left baffled by Brexit’s “not for EU” food labels. https://t.co/3fxokF1VKw

— POLITICOEurope (@POLITICOEurope) January 8, 2024

… Not in OUR back yard!…

The UK is so committed to degrowth that they’re returning to subsistence agriculture. https://t.co/CxthhGzymI

— chekovian jubilee (@CollieYimby) December 31, 2023

I’m pro-personal-gardening, obviously, but not because I delude myself that I could grow enough to feed myself.

Stuart, the amount of food in question is so minuscule it’s not worth mentioning. It’s purely a land-intensive hobby

— Dan Groshev (@dangroshev) December 31, 2023

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In Legal News

by WaterGirl|  January 19, 20241:16 am| 46 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads

I’ve been working most of the day, but even though we haven’t heard from the appeals court yet, there seems to be a lot of legal news.

🌼 It seem to me that Fani Willis is handling herself pretty well here.

JUST IN: Fani Willis has moved to quash the subpoena issued by Nathan Wade’s wife in their divorce proceedings. She says the marriage has been “irretrievably broken” since 2021 and she has nothing relevant to offer.

Details TKhttps://t.co/pUbzKPbHBZ

— Kyle Cheney (@kyledcheney) January 18, 2024

🌼  We suspected that the time waiting for the appeals court to rule would most likely delay the March trial date, and now we have confirmation from Judge Chutkan, or at least a strong hint.

New: Federal judge overseeing Trump’s election case in DC indicates the March trial date won’t hold — Chutkan told Trump that he would get the full seven months to prepare his defense, and time waiting for DC Circuit to rule won’t count against him. https://t.co/o8EQrDbInm

— Hugo Lowell (@hugolowell) January 18, 2024

Guardian article about the hint from Judge Chutkan referenced above.

🌼  Rebutting the “Trump won his motion about Jack Smith” bullshit.

Judge Chutkan DENIED ALL OF THAT. She said Jack Smith did nothing wrong. She said he didn’t violate the stay order. And she modified the stay order to bar Jack Smith from making further filings.

To say “trump won” is fucking laughable. END/

— Mueller, She Wrote (@MuellerSheWrote) January 18, 2024

Full list of what Trump had asked for, and was denied.  Click for a larger version.

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. was violating

Judge Chutkan DENIED ALL OF THAT. She said Jack Smith did nothing wrong. She said he didn’t violate the stay order. And she modified the stay order to bar Jack Smith from making further filings.

To say “trump won” is fucking laughable. END/

— Mueller, She Wrote (@MuellerSheWrote) January 18, 2024

🌼 What a fucking pig Trump is.  Imaging grieving and having to have T**** around.  Still no sympathy; Melania made her deal with the devil that is Trump, hope she thinks it was worth it.

This is the grieving-over-my-mother-in-law version of Trump ⤵️ https://t.co/dfisHUZTBk

— Katie Phang (@KatiePhang) January 18, 2024

🌼 Open thread!

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