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“What are Republicans afraid of?” Everything.

Dear media: perhaps we ought to let Donald Trump speak for himself!

You’re just a puppy masquerading as an old coot.

Sadly, media malpractice has become standard practice.

Technically true, but collectively nonsense

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People are complicated. Love is not.

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Just because you believe it, that does not make it true.

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The United States Court of Appeals for the DC Circuit (LIVE AUDIO)

by WaterGirl|  January 9, 20249:15 am| 243 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Politics, Trump Indictments

Today is the big day – where the Court of Appeals for the DC Circuit here’s oral arguments.

All the legal eagles seem to agree that what’s in question is not a matter of they rule in favor of Trump (they will not) but of how they get to the ruling/s that go against Trump.

This Lawfare podcast is the best I have see or read on the subject.

On the menu:

  • Immunity

  • Absolute Immunity

  • Double Jeopardy

  • Negative Inference

  • Jurisdiction

  • Peaceful Transfer of Power

  • Other Amicus Briefs

The United States Court of Appeals for the DC Circuit (LIVE AUDIO)Post + Comments (243)

Tuesday Morning Open Thread: Never Give Up, Never Surrender

by Anne Laurie|  January 9, 20246:22 am| 171 Comments

This post is in: Biden Administration in Action, Elections 2024, Open Threads, Proud to Be A Democrat, Republican Venality, Show Us on the Doll Where the Invisible Hand Touched You, Trumpery

Reporter: President Biden established a clear choice between what Trump stands behind, which is lies, and his campaign, which is standing by truth and democracy pic.twitter.com/GwaDIslQNB

— Biden-Harris HQ (@BidenHQ) January 8, 2024

I met with a group of scholars and historians in the Oval to get their viewpoints on ongoing threats to democracy – at home and around the world.

They understand what history has taught us:

Democracy is never guaranteed. Every generation must fight to maintain it. pic.twitter.com/2oIsa32SA5

— President Biden (@POTUS) January 8, 2024

Sen. @ewarren: Trump accomplished two things. An extremist Supreme Court to take away abortion rights and a tax break for billionaires and giant corporations. President Biden has fought for $35 insulin, the largest climate package in history, and cutting student loan debt pic.twitter.com/eJL6krNSz0

— Biden-Harris HQ (@BidenHQ) January 8, 2024

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President Biden is making the largest investment in climate action and clean energy in history.

Every single Congressional Republican voted against it.

— The White House (@WhiteHouse) January 8, 2024

Thank you, San Francisco grassroots volunteers, for kicking off our 2024 campaign and for dedicating yourselves to the cause of our lives — health justice. Together, we will Save Our Health Care! -NP#MondayMotivation pic.twitter.com/6SC7UQo4qz

— Nancy Pelosi (@TeamPelosi) January 8, 2024

My New Year’s Resolution:

JUST WIN BABY! pic.twitter.com/CTZgLfiyRr

— Nancy Pelosi (@TeamPelosi) January 9, 2024

NEWS: President Biden officially renominated @ActSecJulieSu to serve as Secretary of Labor.

Why? Because she’s the best candidate for the job.

It’s past time Republicans end their blockade and help us confirm her so she can keep delivering for workers.

Hands up if you agree??

— Tammy Duckworth (@SenDuckworth) January 9, 2024


Why do Republicans hate Julie Su?…

Wage theft is a crime. If you think you may be owed back wages, @WHD_DOL is here to help ??https://t.co/2DPBKmUiKn https://t.co/acrgWuLuW3

— Acting Secretary Julie Su (@ActSecJulieSu) January 8, 2024

Reminder: Sharing is caring...

Trump says he hopes economy collapses very soon https://t.co/eNcl2JXFCd

— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) January 9, 2024

Trump says he hopes the economy crashes so he can blame President Biden: I hope it crashes during these next 12 months pic.twitter.com/xn6NjNoMbA

— Biden-Harris HQ (@BidenHQ) January 9, 2024

Imagine if during Covid Summer some Democrat said “we’re blocking checks because it’s an election year and we want Biden to win.”

Every reporter in D.C. would break their fingers typing up a searing takedown of modern-day partisanship. https://t.co/rP2gL8CbeO

— Mike Spence (@ItsMikeSpence) January 9, 2024

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Late Night Horrorshow Open Thread: Nepotism in the GOP

by Anne Laurie|  January 9, 20242:26 am| 57 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Republican Stupidity, Republican Venality, Romney of the Uncanny Valley

jay ashcroft the worst of all nepo babies https://t.co/lqqzrT17le

— Jean-Michel Connard (@torriangray) January 8, 2024

When its inhabitants call the state Misery… Yes, Jay is in fact the son of John Ashcroft, Dubya’s choice for U.S. Attorney General and “the only U.S. Senator defeated for re-election by a dead person”.

BORIS SANCHEZ: What would be your justification for removing Joe Biden from the ballot in Missouri?

JAY ASHCROFT: There have been allegations that he's engaged in insurrection

SANCHEZ: How so?

ASHCROFT: Um, I've seen allegations from the lieutenant governor of Texas pic.twitter.com/687uqKyCUw

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) January 8, 2024

But Jay will never reach the fathomless depths achieved by Willard Romney, son of that vanished species, a *decent* Republican…

Mitt Romney reminds us that the best Republican is a horrible person. https://t.co/9zfeoqW6Op

— Mark Jacob (@MarkJacob16) January 6, 2024

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Dear Mitt Romney,
Leave presidential campaign strategy to folks who've actually won.
Thanks,
Democrats pic.twitter.com/UAaezf86zZ

— GeorgiaPeach OG Biden Babe ?????????? (@ChrisFromGA68) January 6, 2024


(Of course, you can’t discuss the failures of nepotism in modern American government without citing the NYTimes…)

Saying 1/6 is irrelevant to 2024 messaging is like saying 9/11 was irrelevant to 2004 messaging.

— Elon Musk is an Antisemite ???????????????????? (@KerrAvon4) January 7, 2024

This is why I feel justified in saying that Mitt Romney would have made a terrible President and that Trump making him look decent by comparison is greater PR than his billions could have ever bought. https://t.co/64XIfeS0Ry

— jfassler.bsky.social (@J_fassler) January 6, 2024

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Late Night Open Thread

by WaterGirl|  January 9, 20241:11 am| 31 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads

These little stories are from an interesting article featuring good people who are making a difference.  written by Harry Bellafante’s daughter, Ginnia, and.    I thought little pieces of it might make good late night posts.  A little bit of inspiration, perhaps, at the start of an open thread.

But talk about whatever you want!

In a year that made many of us want to give up, these unsung activists found a way to help others.

h/t hazmat

🌼

The Rabbis’ Rabbi

Jill Jacobs advises rabbis and connects them with one another to share wisdom.Credit…Brittainy Newman for The New York Times

The war in Gaza has divided New York City’s Jewish community in a way that is nearly without precedent, in some cases rupturing friendships that have spanned decades. When rabbis find themselves needing guidance navigating tensions within their congregations, they turn to Jill Jacobs to lower the volume. Rabbi Jacobs runs T’ruah, an organization directed at advancing human rights in this country, in Israel and in the occupied territories.

“People are screaming at each other in slogans,” she said. Her job, as she sees it, “is to keep the human story front and center,” to connect rabbis to one another to share their wisdom as well as advise them. Rachel Timoner, senior rabbi at Congregation Beth Elohim in Brooklyn, said Rabbi Jacobs “has given us language and clarity when we really needed it.”

“The moral truth that Jewish tradition calls us to — she will say it, regardless of popularity,” Rabbi Timoner added. “Her courage enables a large number of people to trust her voice. And she is fearless.”

From Six New Yorkers Who Made the City a Better, Cooler, Fairer Place in 2023.  Written by Harry Bellafante’s daughter, Ginia Bellafante, who writes the Big City column, a weekly commentary on the politics, culture and life of New York City.

Open thread!

 

 

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War for Ukraine Day 684: (Some of) You Have Questions I (May) Have Answers

by Adam L Silverman|  January 8, 20247:34 pm| 41 Comments

This post is in: Foreign Affairs, Foreign Policy, Military, Open Threads, Russia, Silverman on Security, War in Ukraine

Russia once again opened up on Ukrainian civilian targets overnight:

There is an air raid alert in Kyiv and across Ukraine, because of cruise missile launches. Eleven Tu-95 Russian bombers launched missiles from the area of tne Caspian sea. pic.twitter.com/3Qd7JZoQYG

— Kyrylo Loukerenko (@K_Loukerenko) January 8, 2024

Morning news in Ukraine informs you how quickly Kinzhal missile can reach your city. It's 1.7 minutes for Kharkiv and 3.2 minutes for Kyiv pic.twitter.com/nGtQvuxH3x

— Maria Avdeeva (@maria_avdv) January 8, 2024

Multiple explosions reported in Kharkiv, Dnipro, Zaporizhzhia, and Kryvyi Rih. More missiles are in the air. pic.twitter.com/dVkRYqy2nn

— Maria Avdeeva (@maria_avdv) January 8, 2024

Ukraine continues to resist russian missile terror.

This morning, 🇺🇦 air defenders shot down 18 Kh-101/Kh-555 cruise missiles and 8 "Shahed" kamikaze drones in our sky. 

The aggressor attacked our country with 59 drones and missiles, including Kh-47 Kindzhal missiles and… pic.twitter.com/mCOOLFsYEf

— Defense of Ukraine (@DefenceU) January 8, 2024

Ukraine continues to resist russian missile terror.

This morning, 🇺🇦 air defenders shot down 18 Kh-101/Kh-555 cruise missiles and 8 “Shahed” kamikaze drones in our sky.

The aggressor attacked our country with 59 drones and missiles, including Kh-47 Kindzhal missiles and Iskander-M ballistic missiles.

We are grateful to our air defenders for saving Ukrainian cities.
We urge our partners to continue supporting Ukrainian air defense.

Ukrainians spent this morning in shelters.
russian terror must be stopped.
Help Ukraine to stop it!

— Defense of Ukraine (@DefenceU) January 8, 2024

Last night in comments Jazz Bass asked:

Hi Adam, yesterday you mentioned that it seems unlikely that the $300 billion in Russian assets are going to be used to support Ukraine. When you have chance could you, please, elaborate why that’s the case?

Thanks!

There are several reasons why. The first is that no one is sure if this is legal under anyone’s laws, whether that’s American, Canadian, EU, any of the individual EU member states, and/or international law. The second is that there is a lot of concern, especially in the US, but also in the EU, that if the US or the EU were to go forward with this it would make both individual, organizational/corporate, and state investors leery of holding dollars or euros as investments, keeping said dollars or euros in US, EU, and/or individual EU member state banks, and owning tangible assets in the US, the EU, and/or individual EU member states.

I understand why President Zelenskyy and the Ukrainians want this done. I don’t necessarily think it is a bad idea, but given how risk averse the Biden administration, the Scholz government in Germany, Macron in France, and a number of other leaders of EU and/or NATO member states have been, I don’t see it happening.

Here is President Zelenskyy’s address from earlier today. Video below, English transcript after the jump.

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Terrorist must pay the most for the damage caused by terror, and Russia will pay – address by the President of Ukraine

8 January 2024 – 19:47

I wish you health, fellow Ukrainians!

A brief report on this day.

Three international conversations today. First, the Amir of Kuwait. I thanked him for supporting the independence and territorial integrity of our country. I spoke about the situation in the wake of Russian terror – constant missile and drone attacks on our cities and villages. I assured him that despite everything, Ukraine will remain one of the donors of global food security and stability in general. We consistently maintain international law and appreciate all the efforts of our partners who help us and thus contribute to their own security.

Today I also spoke with the King of Bahrain. Of course, considerable attention was paid to the protection of the basic principles of international relations and to the issues of stability. I thanked him for the participation of the Bahraini representative in previous Peace Formula meetings and invited to take part in the new meeting that will take place in Davos shortly.

This evening I also spoke with the Amir of Qatar, and the issue of the release of our captives was particularly important to me. Qatar’s mediation and leadership has already proven to be effective, and I am grateful for their willingness to continue to cooperate to bring home more Ukrainians, adults and children, from Russian captivity. Of course, we also discussed the work on the Peace Formula and the organization of the upcoming Peace Summit with the participation of the world majority. I thanked Qatar for supporting our humanitarian initiative “Grain from Ukraine” and our efforts to safeguard peaceful navigation in the Black Sea in general. The fact that we have resumed the navigation of civilian vessels in the Black Sea – despite all Russia’s attempts to block this water area – proves that we can defend ourselves against all other manifestations of Russian aggression against our country, against the normal life of all countries that value life and people.

Today, I held a meeting on our further international agenda – this month will be eventful in terms of our foreign policy. Many steps will be taken, and I am confident that we will be able to strengthen our state. Our air defense system. Our work with partners on drones. As well as on sanctions against Russia, those that have already been imposed… It is vital to eliminate any possible schemes to circumvent sanctions. We are also working on new sanctions: the architecture of pressure on Russia must be strengthened. And another priority is to expedite practical decisions for the use of Russian assets in the interests of Ukraine and their subsequent confiscation to restore justice. The terrorist must pay the most for the damage caused by terror, and Russia will pay.

Emergency and rescue operations are still ongoing in three regions of Ukraine after the Russian army’s strikes: Donetsk, Kherson and Khmelnytskyi regions. I am grateful to all the rescuers, police officers, and utility workers who are involved.

This morning, unfortunately, began with a massive missile attack once again. Kharkiv and the region, Zaporizhzhia, Kryvyi Rih, Khmelnytskyi region. 45 people were injured, and as of this time, four people have been reported dead. My condolences to the families and friends! The terrorist state will definitely feel our response.

I thank everyone in the world who helps Ukraine! I thank everyone in Ukraine who cares about their fellow countrymen and our entire country! Glory to our warriors!

Glory to Ukraine!

President @ZelenskyyUa:
“Our warriors have proven that Ukrainians, with their extraordinary strength, are capable of steering history in the right direction. Without people like our Heroes, without the bravery of the Ukrainian people, Ukraine would not have stood firm.” pic.twitter.com/QARCMn2c1K

— Defense of Ukraine (@DefenceU) January 8, 2024

The cost, continued from last night:

R.I.P.
By Yuriy Zhuravel. pic.twitter.com/LMD4J4Ysx6

— Illia Ponomarenko 🇺🇦 (@IAPonomarenko) January 8, 2024

Картаю себе, бо не виконала те, що пообіцяла йому декілька днів тому. Все відкладала, думала, що встигну. Не встигла…

— Mary Kravchenko 🇺🇦 (@sea_inside3) January 7, 2024

I do not know what to say. I do not know.

Max carried so much light and warmth. Always twisted the soul with his texts. I dreamed of a collection, published it, did not have time to present it properly. Loved red cats and red poppy candy.

“Smiled more often
than said
died…”

Sleep tight, my friend. Sleep tight…

I blame myself because I didn’t fulfill what I promised him a few days ago. I kept putting it off, thinking I would have time. But I didn’t…

The killed Ukrainian Mikoyan MiG-29 pilot's name was Vladyslav Zalistovsky.
He was just 23.
By the link, you can support his family in grief: https://t.co/GZwOfly23e pic.twitter.com/YEgluVjHap

— Illia Ponomarenko 🇺🇦 (@IAPonomarenko) January 8, 2024

A brilliant cartoon by Philip Zec. As relevant in 2024 as it was in 1940. https://t.co/NFzb8qH8YJ

— Oleksandr Polianichev (@OPolianichev) January 8, 2024

Some of you may have been wondering what Major General Budanov’s merry band of mayhem makers at Ukraine’s Main Directorate of Intelligence have been up to. Well wonder no more: Interfax Ukraine has your answers:

The Main Intelligence Agency of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine received 100 GB of secret data from the Russian enterprise Special Technology Center (STC) with a total value of $1.5 billion.

“The specified Russian enterprise has been under sanctions since 2016. Its facilities produce military equipment and equipment used by the Russian army in the war against Ukraine. In particular, STC produces Orlan UAVs of various modifications, a whole range of electronic warfare and reconnaissance equipment, and other military products,” the press service of the Main Intelligence Agency states in a statement.

The array of information transferred to the Main Intelligence Agency of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine contains documentation for 194 nomenclature units: drawings, technical specifications, patents, software, etc. – we are talking about both existing and promising military developments. According to preliminary estimates, the value of the data obtained could be $1.5 billion.

“This is a significant blow to terrorist Moscow: this archive is already being used to strengthen Ukraine’s defense capability and weaken the aggressor state,” the agency emphasizes.

It is noted that it was possible to obtain classified information from one of the critically important enterprises of the Russian military-industrial complex thanks to effective interaction with patriotic representatives of civil society and the media community.

Krynky, left bank of the Dnipro, Russian occupied Kherson Oblast:

A short path of russian tank in Ukraine ended very brightly.

📹: 501st UA Marines Separate Battalion pic.twitter.com/uDzF5OeYnC

— Defense of Ukraine (@DefenceU) January 8, 2024

/2. Test of the same video in the same format but uploaded from the different account. Is it available for viewing for those who had problems viewing it before?
I'm trying to understand whether the problem is in the video format, the device from which the video is downloaded, or… https://t.co/xPfAiEMMGd

— Special Kherson Cat 🐈🇺🇦 (@bayraktar_1love) January 8, 2024

Today, the Russians made another attempt to attack Krynky, Kherson region. (various sources claim that a total of 5 Russian tanks and several BTRs were destroyed/damaged) The video shows the detonation of one of the attacking Russian tanks.
https://t.me/DeepStateUA/18533

P.S: For some reason, lately I often see comments that my videos are not loading for some users. For some reason X/Twitter doesn’t show them. While I’m trying to figure out the reasons, write if you see this video and if it works properly.

/2. Test of the same video in the same format but uploaded from the different account. Is it available for viewing for those who had problems viewing it before?
I’m trying to understand whether the problem is in the video format, the device from which the video is downloaded, or the fact that X/Twitter blocks viewing videos uploaded by my profile

The video blocking is not just happening to her account, I’ve seen it on other accounts posting pro-Ukrainian material. Your guess is as good as mine as to whether this is just more of what’s left of Twitter’s legacy code failing every time the Starlink Snowflake has something new added or tweaked or if he’s got his nose out of joint about Ukraine again. Or both.

The situation in Krynky is still the same. The small Ukrainian detachment is holding ground while Russian waves are getting repelled. This one Russian tank gets completely obliterated by a FPV drone.

Source: https://t.co/0Y4CtBpb8J#Ukraine #Kherson #Krynky pic.twitter.com/IT1C8FAVal

— (((Tendar))) (@Tendar) January 8, 2024

Zaporizhzhia front:

Destruction of Russian P-18 radar. Zaporizhzhia front. ~24km from the front. (47.29172, 35.47472)https://t.co/5A5J3oujVu https://t.co/VYi28AzCsp

— Special Kherson Cat 🐈🇺🇦 (@bayraktar_1love) January 8, 2024

 

 

For you drone enthusiasts:

/2. Additional footages pic.twitter.com/aiWbN7tdCZ

— Special Kherson Cat 🐈🇺🇦 (@bayraktar_1love) January 8, 2024

The Ukrainian assault on Belgorod, Russia continues:

Unpleasant situation in Belgorod, Special Military Operation zone. Evening of 8 January 2024. pic.twitter.com/xVMHTA1Yp8

— WarTranslated (@wartranslated) January 8, 2024

/2. Quite intense activity of Russian air defence in Belgorod. pic.twitter.com/6Gv52f8A77

— Special Kherson Cat 🐈🇺🇦 (@bayraktar_1love) January 8, 2024

And the Russian assault on Volgograd Oblast, Russia also continues:

Fallen Russian missile in the Volgograd region of Russia. During today’s Russian missile attack on Ukraine. Near Bolshoy Morets village. 450km to the front line. pic.twitter.com/sQssnibfeu

— Special Kherson Cat 🐈🇺🇦 (@bayraktar_1love) January 8, 2024

We have new news about Rudy Giuliani’s buddy Andrei Derkach.

In 2020 Andrii Derkach worked closely with Giuliani to smear Biden.

Derkach is the son of a KGB officer and he was schooled at a KGB academy in Moscow and later became a pro-Russia Ukrainian lawmakerhttps://t.co/UTmp9aSW8b

— Wendy Siegelman (@WendySiegelman) January 6, 2024

I created this chart showing the network around Artemenko (Kuchma), Giuliani, Prince, Derkach, Firtash and others – who were working to dig up dirt on Biden in Ukraine in 2020https://t.co/VY9ANdp4iHhttps://t.co/7nNXPFmpkQ

— Wendy Siegelman (@WendySiegelman) January 6, 2024

Derkach also played a key role helping Russia attack Ukraine@RUSI_org reported Derkach was paid $3-4 million monthly by the GRU to create private security networks and help Russian forces when they attacked Ukraine 2022-2023https://t.co/eaXIbiMjEahttps://t.co/TCX14xwOGp

— Wendy Siegelman (@WendySiegelman) January 6, 2024

I can't believe how little the media reported that Giuliani and Erik Prince associate Russian agent Derkach was paid $3-4 million PER MONTH by GRU to help Russia attack Ukraine

I hope coverage of his new Biden smear campaign mentions this detailhttps://t.co/Qemr5ibG1J

— Wendy Siegelman (@WendySiegelman) January 6, 2024

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Monday Evening Open Thread: Also Speaking At AME Today…

by Anne Laurie|  January 8, 20246:34 pm| 84 Comments

This post is in: Elections 2024, Foreign Affairs, Open Threads, Proud to Be A Democrat

Biden called this “the time in choosing” in America. "We've come too far from where we started. Nobody told me the road would be easy. I don't believe he brought me this far to leave me. My fellow Americans, I don't think the good Lord brought us this far to leave us behind." pic.twitter.com/PIs1AGcOSJ

— Jennifer Jacobs (@JenniferJJacobs) January 8, 2024

President Joe Biden's speech at the Mother Emanuel AME Church in Charleston, S.C. was interrupted momentarily Monday by pro-Palestinian protesters calling for a cease-fire in Gaza. pic.twitter.com/OXufYcv7L7

— The Associated Press (@AP) January 8, 2024

This would not be my chosen method of drawing attention, frankly, but I appreciate President Biden’s response…

Two protestors interrupt Biden at Mother Emanuel to chant “Ceasefire now!”

Hundreds start cheering “four more years!”

Biden:
“I understand their passion and I am quietly working with the Israeli government to get them to reduce significantly and get out of Gaza.”

— Edward-Isaac Dovere (@IsaacDovere) January 8, 2024

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In looking at video from another angle (I was in the back right of the church), there was a third protester who is a black woman and appears to have been led out on the other aisle.

The reaction from some in the crowd, though, went beyond chanting “four more years!” for Biden: https://t.co/pJagtD97nf

— Edward-Isaac Dovere (@IsaacDovere) January 8, 2024

After disrespecting a Black church during a service, site of a brutal attack by a white supremacist

White leftists now try to shame the congregation.

You cannot claim racism isn’t the heart of the far left “movement.” https://t.co/Ofc0uBHOOC

— Democrats in Array ?????? (@DemsInArray) January 8, 2024

No Protestors or Voter intimidator is going to stop ?? me from showing up to the polls for President Joe Biden & VP Kamala Harris #FourMoreYears https://t.co/dnvq9viTOw pic.twitter.com/uWJTK1BcnF

— 2RawTooReal (@2RawTooReal) January 8, 2024

Among those who have spoken from the pulpit of Mother Emanuel are Booker T. Washington, W.E.B. Du Bois and Martin Luther King Jr. Today it is Biden. @ksacknyt, who is writing a history of the storied church in Charleston, gives a preview of his book here: https://t.co/U2W0PvHjbT

— Peter Baker (@peterbakernyt) January 8, 2024

Supplement, via the NYTimes — “Many Have Preached Politics From This Pulpit, but Biden Is the First President” [gift link]:

… After the murderous rampage by Mr. Roof — who sits on death row in a federal penitentiary — Emanuel evolved into a different kind of symbol, of the persistence of racial violence in a post-civil rights age. And when family members of five of the victims showed up at Mr. Roof’s bond hearing and expressed forgiveness for the unrepentant white supremacist, the church came to embody their breathtaking expression of Christian grace.

Family members and survivors of the shootings visited privately with Mr. Biden in the sanctuary after the speech. He also met with ministers in the fellowship hall, which is little changed from the night of the attack.

By setting his speech at Mother Emanuel, Mr. Biden “emphasizes that there is still work to be done, a reminder that even though we’re in the 21st century we still have some 19th century minds in America,” said the Rev. Joseph A. Darby, a prominent A.M.E. minister in Charleston and longtime Biden supporter…

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Oh Lordy, There are Tapes! Again?

by WaterGirl|  January 8, 20245:48 pm| 71 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Politics

Can we get a re-write on todays script?

🚨BREAKING: Roger Stone Spoke With NYPD Cop Pal About Assassinating Eric Swalwell and Jerry Nadler in November 2020

ITS ON TAPE. https://t.co/rCgqtpdGkx

— Spiro’s Ghost (@AntiToxicPeople) January 8, 2024

Weeks before the 2020 presidential election, infamous political operative Roger Stone sat across from his associate Sal Greco at a restaurant in Florida.

At the time, Greco was an NYPD cop working security for Stone on the side. Their conversation, at Caffe Europa in Fort Lauderdale, focused on two House Democrats for whom Stone harbors particular animosity, Jerry Nadler and Eric Swalwell.

In audio of the conversation obtained exclusively by Mediaite, Stone made threatening comments about the two lawmakers.

“It’s time to do it,” Stone told Greco. “Let’s go find Swalwell. It’s time to do it. Then we’ll see how brave the rest of them are. It’s time to do it. It’s either Nadler or Swalwell has to die before the election. They need to get the message. Let’s go find Swalwell and get this over with. I’m just not putting up with this shit anymore.”

A source familiar with the discussion told Mediate they believed Stone’s remarks were serious. “It was definitely concerning that he was constantly planning violence with an NYPD officer and other militia groups,” the source said.

Both Nadler and Swalwell serve on the House Judiciary Committee. At the time of the Caffe Europa conversation, Nadler had announced the committee would be investigating then-President Donald Trump’s decision to commute Stone’s sentence after he was convicted of federal crimes in Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia probe.

“A jury found Roger Stone guilty,” Nadler wrote on Twitter in July 2020. “By commuting his sentence, President Trump has infected our judicial system with partisanship and cronyism and attacked the rule of law. @House Judiciary will conduct an aggressive investigation into this brazen corruption.”

The source told Mediaite of Stone: “Stone had been at war with Nadler and Swalwell for years. He just hates them.”

“He just wanted to get Trump back into office so these things would stop,” the source added.

Stone was convicted of obstruction, witness tampering, and lying to Congress in the Mueller investigation. Prosecutors sought a nine-year prison sentence for the longtime Republican operative, but Trump’s Justice Department reportedly intervened to impose a less severe sentence. Stone’s sentence was eventually commuted by Trump days before reporting to prison.

The intervention from the Justice Department prompted Aaron Zelinsky, the prosecutor and Mueller deputy who led the case against Stone, to recuse himself from the case in protest. Mediaite reported last week that Stone was caught on tape in December 2020 urging Greco to “punish” Zelinsky.

“He needs to be punished,” Stone told Greco in the audio. “You have to abduct him and punish him. That has to be done. It will be easy to abduct him because he is a weakling.”

Stone denied making those comments, claiming they were generated by AI. He has previously claimed videos of his comments are actually “deep fakes.” In response to a request for comment on the remarks aimed at Swalwell and Nadler, Stone said, “Total nonsense. I’ve never said anything of the kind more AI manipulation. You asked me to respond to audios that you don’t let me hear and you don’t identify a source for. Absurd.”

Greco did not deny the comments, but said in a text to Mediaite: “I don’t think your reader is interested in ancient political fodder.”

Greco, who acted as security for Stone and was with the operative during the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol soon after the 2020 election, was fired by the NYPD over his association with Stone. An NYPD spokesperson confirmed to Mediaite that Greco was terminated in August 2022.

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This strikes me as mark shit being thrown at the wall to see what sticks.

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— Anna Bower (@AnnaBower) January 8, 2024

Anything else interesting happen today?  I have been mostly working, not playing.  We did have an 8 am vet appointment for Mr. Bear to check on his infection.  After 28 days of antibiotics, it’s not totally healed, so we have another 14 days.  At least it’s a lot better than it was.  Aiming for glass half full, here.

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