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The low info voters probably won’t even notice or remember by their next lap around the goldfish bowl.

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Stop using mental illness to avoid talking about armed white supremacy.

We still have time to mess this up!

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the 10% who apparently lack object permanence

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I Haven’t Been Invited to Any Parties Lately, Who Can I Sue?

by WaterGirl|  August 8, 202510:07 pm| 89 Comments

This post is in: Mostly Open Thread

These people are so hypocritical – just big, fucking, out of touch, whiny, evil, power-hungry babies – sometimes I cannot figure out how they can be ruling ruining the world.  It feels like the fever has to break soon, it just has to.

Anyway, it’s Friday night so fuck them, let’s talk about anything else BUT them.

Anything good happening in your life?   Anyone you respect or admire?

What’s your favorite season?   How many more weeks do we have before we can stop complaining that it’s too hot and too dry, and start complaining that it’s too cold and that fall is too rainy?  When it turns cold, I always feel kind of sad.

Talk about whatever you want, except them – the bad people. :-)

 

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War for Ukraine Day 1,261: Not Actually Going to Be Peace in Our Time

by Adam L Silverman|  August 8, 20259:23 pm| 17 Comments

This post is in: Foreign Affairs, Foreign Policy, Military, Open Threads, Russia, Silverman on Security, War, War in Ukraine

It has been a long tiresome week. I’m fried, so I’m just going to cover the basics tonight.

Trump has announced that he will be meeting with Putin in Alaska next week:

Oh hell!

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— Kate from Kharkiv (@kateinkharkiv.bsky.social) August 8, 2025 at 6:12 PM

He also announced that their will be territorial concessions and swaps:

Trump claims “President Putin I believe wants to see peace” and acknowledges Ukraine will have to make territorial concessions (unclear what Russia’s concessions will be, if any)

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— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com) August 8, 2025 at 4:25 PM

If true, this would be a Sudetenland-level betrayal of Ukraine, guaranteed to give Putin a greater appetite for aggression.

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— Euan MacDonald (@euanmacdonald.bsky.social) August 8, 2025 at 7:24 PM

He is so “disappointed” with putin, he is setting hard deadline for peace, and sounds so angry. But when the time came and putin ignored deadline, he threw everything out the window to pressure Ukraine into making territorial concessions. Classics.

— Kate from Kharkiv (@kateinkharkiv.bsky.social) August 8, 2025 at 6:17 PM

Whether what Chris Owens has tweeted out as the actual concessions are, this is simply not going to fly with the Ukrainians. Leaving aside that it would give Putin control over parts of Ukraine he doesn’t actually control now and Russia has no actual ability to take, let alone hold.

Marco Rubio commented on Steve Witkoff’s meeting with Putin, expressing hope for a Trump-Putin summit. He said both leaders are ready for talks with a clear purpose and real progress, and for the first time, Russia’s conditions for ending the war are becoming clearer.

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— WarTranslated (Dmitri) (@wartranslated.bsky.social) August 8, 2025 at 10:38 AM

Putin’s goals aren’t becoming clear for the first time, Putin, his aides, surrogates, and catspaws have only been clearly articulating and communicating them since February 2022.

Russia is the aggressor!

Russia invaded Ukraine!

Russia must be forced to make concessions if we want to avoid future war. Instead, Ukraine is pressured to make them, which will encourage future wars.

It’s our land! Our people live there!

Disrespectful and disgusting.

— Kate from Kharkiv (@kateinkharkiv.bsky.social) August 8, 2025 at 4:51 PM

Let’s leave aside for a minute that this would reward Putin and Russia, which just created an online store to purchase Ukrainian children, there is no way any Ukrainian leader could agree to this. Not least of which because it would condemn the Ukrainians in Crimea, Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson, and Zaporzhzhia oblasts to lives of terror, discrimination, and death. It also puts the Ukrainians in Kharkiv, Sumy, Dnipropetrovsk, Mykolaiv, and Odesa oblasts at increased risk as Putin has made it clear that his shorter term goals is establishing Novorossiya, which is comprised of, at least, Donetsk, Luhansk, Crimea, Zaporizhzhia, Kherson, and Odesa. Putin’s objective here is to extend Russia through eastern and southern Ukraine to threaten and eventually scarf up Moldova and threaten Romania. Again, no Ukrainian leader could or will agree to any of this.

Honestly, I don’t even want to comment on the latest twist in the so-called “peace talks” saga.

Let’s be clear: russia won’t agree to peace. It must be forced into it — through real strength & pressure,real consequences.

So far, there are no game-changing decisions or actions — only strategic fog.

— Olena Halushka (@halushka.bsky.social) August 8, 2025 at 5:29 AM

Now we wait to see what actually happens in Alaska, but I would not be surprised to find out that we’re back to 49 states by next Friday and Lisa Murkowski is now the newest member of the Duma.

Here is President Zelenskyy’s address from earlier today. Video below, English transcript after the jump.

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All Are United in the Understanding That There Is a Chance to Achieve at Least a Ceasefire, and That Everything Depends on the Right Pressure on Russia – Address by the President

8 August 2025 – 20:21

Fellow Ukrainians!

We are continuing our active negotiations with partners to reach a common position for a reliable peace for Ukraine. A truly genuine peace. And if everyone perceives the opportunities and threats in the same way, then it will be possible to achieve a truly lasting peace. There is already a lot of support, and it comes in the new circumstances, with a deadline now set for Russia to cease fire. So far, we see that the Russians are ignoring it – at least for now. Today has once again brought killings and Russian shelling. Over a hundred strike drones were launched overnight against us, against Ukraine, followed during the day by air bomb strikes, intense assaults on the frontline, and yet more air raid alerts in our cities and communities. I will cite just one of Russia’s war crimes committed today. In Kherson, a 13-year-old boy was deliberately wounded by a munition dropped from a Russian drone. He is receiving medical care. That is, Russia’s hunt for civilians in Kherson continues, and this is a deliberate destruction of life. No orders to stop have been given to the Russian army. We are speaking with our partners to ensure real steps are taken. More than a dozen conversations have been held with leaders and heads of government. Today – the Prime Minister of Poland, the President of Finland, the President of Latvia, the Prime Minister of the Czech Republic. Just now I spoke with the President of South Africa. The coming days will also be devoted to diplomacy.

Security advisors spoke yesterday, and today their work continues. Andriy Yermak is coordinating the leaders’ advisors. The Minister of Foreign Affairs is working with his counterparts in Europe. We are in constant communication with the American side, and our partners, for their part, are also engaging with the United States. All are united in the understanding that there is a chance to achieve at least a ceasefire, and that everything depends on the right pressure on Russia. It is there that the decision must be made that they must be the ones to end the war they started. Russia doesn’t care about its losses in human lives. They block all information about their losses. But they cannot block objective reality – what the Russian economy is experiencing, how Russian enterprises are shutting down, how Russian logistics are suffering losses. Sanctions can work exactly as we need. Today, I want to thank everyone around the world who is helping us – helping bring the war to an end.

Today, I also approved several of our new sanctions packages, Ukraine’s packages – the relevant decisions will be made soon.

I held a special meeting with government officials and the Office team on our work in the European direction, with partners in the European Union and with European countries outside the EU. A few key points. I would like to thank Prime Minister of Poland Tusk, Prime Minister of the Czech Republic Fiala, Latvia, all the Baltic states, the Nordic countries, and everyone in Europe who supports the need for the European Union to be strong and honest about its commitments. We must strengthen our joint defense efforts. Every joint European defense initiative must operate at full capacity. Everything that contributes to our common security, shared economic growth, and mutual interests – everything we share must work effectively. In particular, integration must work – all processes that make Europe more united. In Ukraine, we have done a lot to ensure that Moldova stands alongside us on the European path. We are helping stabilize the situation inside Moldova so that Russian interference does not succeed. We are helping ensure the stable operation of Moldova’s energy sector. At the time, we insisted that Moldova deserved to be granted candidate status. And our position now is equally based on fairness and real merit. Ukraine has done everything to open the first cluster in the accession negotiations with the European Union. Europe recognizes this. That is why any artificial pauses, any artificial separations will only harm Europe. Ukraine and Moldova must move forward together in the negotiation process. I thank all the leaders and all the countries, the European Union, for supporting us in this, for supporting the rules in Europe.

And, of course, gratitude to the warriors of Ukraine. Today is the Day of the Communications Troops of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. A day of our warriors who make the army an army, because without communications it is simply impossible to operate effectively. I thank all of you who, under any circumstances, keep our Defense Forces connected. We are proud of our people! Thank you to all our friends – friends of Ukraine!

Glory to Ukraine!

Georgia:

Day 254: Rustaveli Avenue remains blocked in Tbilisi, Georgia. 🇬🇪
US flags are a constant presence at the protests. 🇺🇸
We hope the MEGOBARI Act passes Congress soon and puts pressure on our illegitimate, pro-Russian government.

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— Rusudan Djakeli (@rusudandjakeli.bsky.social) August 8, 2025 at 2:08 PM

#GeorgiaProtests
Day 254

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— Publika.ge (@publikage.bsky.social) August 8, 2025 at 2:50 PM

Protesters are gathering outside the Government of Georgia building after self-proclaimed PM Kobakhidze claimed Georgia started the 2008 war with Russia. 🇬🇪

Day 254 of daily, nationwide protests in Georgia.

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— Rusudan Djakeli (@rusudandjakeli.bsky.social) August 8, 2025 at 10:59 AM

Interestingly enough, Kobakhidze blaming Georgia for the 2008 war is not broadcasted on the regime propaganda media outlets.

He gotta please his masters, but also not be too unpopular even among their own electorate.

Tough life for the GD 🤡

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— Marika Mikiashvili 🇬🇪🇺🇦🇪🇺 (@marikamikiashvili.bsky.social) August 8, 2025 at 4:11 AM

“If there were no Putin, I would be alive” — reads an installation in front of the Parliament. On August 7, 2008, the Russian occupation army invaded Georgia, 17 years ago today.

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— Publika.ge (@publikage.bsky.social) August 8, 2025 at 3:07 PM

🟥Georgian Dream’s PM Irakli Kobakhidze accuses #Georgia of starting the August 2008 Russia-Georgia War

🟥 On the 17th anniversary of #August2008War – August 7, Kobakhidze stated that in 2008 the Georgian government was acting on orders from the “deep state.“
🧷 batumelebi.netgazeti.ge/articles-in-…

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— Batumelebi&Netgazeti (@netgazeti.org) August 8, 2025 at 9:03 AM

Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova, speaking about the 2008 Russia-Georgia war, said that “progress on a peace agreement may be made, given that the Georgian government has recognized Saakashvili’s aggression against South Ossetia”.

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— Publika.ge (@publikage.bsky.social) August 8, 2025 at 5:25 AM

⭕️Judge Nino Galustashvili has delivered yet another verdict in the cases of prisoners of conscience. Davit Lomidze and Temur Zasokhashvili were sentenced to 4 years and 6 months in prison.

Temur Zasokhashvili turned 39 on the day the verdict was announced.
#RepressionInGeorgia
#GeorgiaProtests

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— Batumelebi&Netgazeti (@netgazeti.org) August 8, 2025 at 9:38 AM

Regime prisoners Davit Lomidze and Temur Zasokhashvili have been unjustly sentenced to 4 years and 6 months in prison by Judge Nino Galustashvili (who needs to be sanctioned).

📷 Publika (old photo) 1/2

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— Marika Mikiashvili 🇬🇪🇺🇦🇪🇺 (@marikamikiashvili.bsky.social) August 8, 2025 at 6:15 AM

Galustashvili stated that the two can ask for a pardon (from the illegitimate President).

“No to a pardon!” Lomidze exclaimed, underlining his innocence, dignity, and lack of legitimacy of all the institutions.

#GeorgiaProtests 2/2.

— Marika Mikiashvili 🇬🇪🇺🇦🇪🇺 (@marikamikiashvili.bsky.social) August 8, 2025 at 6:15 AM

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— Marika Mikiashvili 🇬🇪🇺🇦🇪🇺 (@marikamikiashvili.bsky.social) August 8, 2025 at 9:06 AM

Just want to provide a bit of context here. For those who don’t pay much attention to what was Soviet and is now Russian organized crime (the Bratva) and the organized crime groups in a lot of the other former Soviet states, a thief in law has a very specific meaning. It’s the translation for vory, and means a thief with a code. The vory controlled Soviet prisons and organized crime and now control the same in the post-Soviet era. You may recall way back in 2023 when I included accusations by one senior member of the Bratva/senior vory who was accusing Prigozhin of being what, in English, translates as a rooster or cock, which is the lowest rank one can have within a Russian prison. The vory are heavily tattooed and in their case, the tattoos actually serve as their professional resumes. And before someone asks, I have spent a significant amount of times over the years having to analyze vory ink.

Germany via China leading to Russia:

A Russian state explosives factory acquired Siemens equipment for automating production via a Chinese middleman, bypassing Western sanctions, Reuters reports. The technology was used at the Biysk Oleum Factory, which supplies Russia’s defense sector.
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— WarTranslated (Dmitri) (@wartranslated.bsky.social) August 8, 2025 at 11:44 AM

From Reuters:

TBILISI/HONG KONG, Aug 7 (Reuters) – As Russia sought to ratchet up military production for the war in Ukraine, a state-owned explosives manufacturer circumvented Western sanctions by purchasing equipment made by Germany’s Siemens (SIEGn.DE), opens new tab from a middleman that imports technology from China.

The acquisition of the Siemens equipment needed to automate machinery at the Biysk Oleum Factory (BOZ), in southern Siberia, was made via a Russian intermediary that sources industrial technology from Chinese wholesalers and re-sellers, according to customs data and state procurement records reviewed by Reuters.

The acquisition of the equipment shows how Russian military firms have been able to easily avoid Western sanctions to boost their production. U.S. President Donald Trump has given Moscow until Friday to agree a ceasefire in Ukraine or face additional sanctions.

BOZ’s parent company, Federal State Enterprise Ya. M. Sverdlov Plant, is already subject to U.S. and EU sanctions for assisting Russia’s war effort.

BOZ signed a deal in October 2022 to acquire the Siemens equipment from a Russian intermediary, Techpribor, the procurement records show. Soon before the expiry of the 140-day deadline to deliver the equipment, Techpribor received a shipment from a Chinese supplier of industrial equipment called Huizhou Funn Tek, based in Guangdong province, customs data showed.

By matching Siemens product codes with customs codes, and reviewing descriptions in the documents, Reuters established that two Siemens power regulator devices supplied by Huizhou Funn Tek were identical to the models BOZ ordered.

Reuters found no evidence Siemens knew its equipment was sold to the Russian explosives maker.

A spokesman for the German engineering multinational said the firm strictly complies with international sanctions and demands the same from its customers, but he added that some goods could reach Russia without it knowing.

Techpribor did not respond to a Reuters request for comment. Questions sent to BOZ and its parent company also went unanswered.

Though it’s well documented that Russian defence manufacturers have sourced Western technology from China, Reuters’ reporting traces the path of equipment to show how a Russian defence firm can obtain Western equipment with minimal difficulty.

Since Russia began its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, the BOZ factory, in the southern Siberian city of Biysk, has been expanding. It has been building a new facility to produce another type of high explosive, called RDX, a Reuters investigation found.

More at the link.

Belarus:

On February 24, 2022, Russian troops did not invade Ukraine. They were simply returning to Russia through Kyiv after military exercises in Belarus- Lukashenko🤡🤡🤡

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— Kate from Kharkiv (@kateinkharkiv.bsky.social) August 8, 2025 at 2:42 PM

Lukashenko claims Belarus could inflict “unacceptable damage” on NATO, stating,
“We may not defeat NATO, but we’ll give them a good beating.”

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— WarTranslated (Dmitri) (@wartranslated.bsky.social) August 8, 2025 at 10:29 AM

A black and white picture of the Three Stooges. They are wearing hats, seated at a table, and all 3 are face palming themselves so that you cannot see their faces. The caption says: Triple Face Palm Because Even the Three Stooges Can See That You Fail.

Back to Ukraine.

Russia has significantly increased its bombings of Ukraine in recent months. Putin is using Trump’s policy of pressuring Ukraine to kill more Ukrainians. That policy must change.

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— Kate from Kharkiv (@kateinkharkiv.bsky.social) August 8, 2025 at 11:39 AM

🇺🇦👀 The daily routine of our Ukrainian tractor drivers.
A Polish agricultural aircraft equipped with R-73 air-to-air missiles was spotted in the Ukrainian Air Force.
This agricultural aircraft was probably converted to shoot down Russian drones.

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— Vitalis Viva (@vitalisviva.bsky.social) August 8, 2025 at 10:23 AM

🦅- I saw a big crow!
🛫- You’re mistaken.
The solution against the Shaheds: a Z-137 Agro Turbo agricultural aircraft with R-73 air-to-air missiles.

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— Vitalis Viva (@vitalisviva.bsky.social) August 8, 2025 at 10:23 AM

Ukrainian operators from the 414th Separate UAV Brigade “Magyar Birds” demonstrated how they counter Russian quadcopters and ground robotic systems, recently downing an enemy reconnaissance drone and disabling two Russian ground robots used for logistics.

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— WarTranslated (Dmitri) (@wartranslated.bsky.social) August 8, 2025 at 1:22 PM

Kyiv:

Kyiv bids farewell to journalist Viktoriia Roshchyna, who was tortured to death by russians while in captivity. On the square, people knelt in her honor.

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— Kate from Kharkiv (@kateinkharkiv.bsky.social) August 8, 2025 at 8:06 AM

Nikopol, Dnipropetrovsk Oblast:

Russian shelling in Ukraine’s Dnipropetrovsk region has killed a woman and injured a man in the Nikopol district.

Rescuers pulled the victims from the rubble of a partially destroyed residential building. The man was hospitalized. 💔

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— Kate from Kharkiv (@kateinkharkiv.bsky.social) August 8, 2025 at 2:46 PM

Chernihiv:

The cost:

1/3
🕯💔During a combat mission, a combat medic from the 3rd Assault Brigade, 39-year-old Junior Sergeant Marina “Mary” Hrytsenko, was killed.
She was the curator of the Chernihiv Regional Art Museum and, at the beginning of the war, moved there with her daughter to protect the exhibits from looters.

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— Vitalis Viva (@vitalisviva.bsky.social) August 8, 2025 at 7:23 AM

🇺🇦 During the offensive on Chernihiv, she joined the ranks of the AFU. She took part in the battles for Kharkiv and was awarded the Order of Courage, III degree, for her dedication and bravery in rescuing her brothers in arms on the front line.

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— Vitalis Viva (@vitalisviva.bsky.social) August 8, 2025 at 7:23 AM

On the morning of August 7, 2025, she and two of her comrades were killed by a Russian drone during a combat mission. Eternal memory and sincere condolences to the family 🙏

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— Vitalis Viva (@vitalisviva.bsky.social) August 8, 2025 at 7:23 AM

Odesa Oblast:

Russia struck an oil depot belonging to Azerbaijan’s SOCAR in Odesa region overnight with five Shahed drones, causing a fire and injuring four employees, Ukrainian law enforcement told Ekonomichna Pravda. The depot and a diesel pipeline were damaged, and emergency repairs are underway.

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— WarTranslated (Dmitri) (@wartranslated.bsky.social) August 8, 2025 at 12:55 PM

Ukraine’s Air Force has released footage of combat operations against enemy Shahed drones in Odesa region. Mobile fire teams from the Odesa Air Defense Brigade of Air Command South shot down 12 drones, according to the report.

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— WarTranslated (Dmitri) (@wartranslated.bsky.social) August 8, 2025 at 10:36 AM

Siversk, Donetsk Oblast:

Operators from the Apache unit of Ukraine’s 81st Airmobile Brigade destroyed a Russian “Saray” APC with troops on board near Siversk. The vehicle traveled almost 10 km from Zolotarivka across fields and was hit multiple times before being destroyed just outside the city.

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— WarTranslated (Dmitri) (@wartranslated.bsky.social) August 8, 2025 at 6:48 AM

Krasnodar Krai, Russia:

Location of the Russian Slavyansk-na-Kubani oil refinery in the Krasnodar region of Russia was targeted this evening. It’s not yet known what exactly was targeted.

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— 🦋Special Kherson Cat🐈🇺🇦 (@specialkhersoncat.bsky.social) August 8, 2025 at 4:21 PM

Slavyansk-on-Kuban, Russia. Gas processing station seems to be having a party.

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— Kate from Kharkiv (@kateinkharkiv.bsky.social) August 8, 2025 at 2:50 PM

At least 12 Russian servicemen were killed and dozens wounded after Ukraine’s HUR attacked the 90th Air Defense Brigade in Afipsky, Krasnodar Krai this morning, RBC-Ukraine reports citing its own sources. Two explosions occurred near the checkpoint, and equipment was also destroyed.

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— WarTranslated (Dmitri) (@wartranslated.bsky.social) August 8, 2025 at 9:55 AM

A drone attack in Sochi unsettled beachgoers, with the city’s airport closed and air defenses active across Krasnodar Krai, according to Russian media.

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— WarTranslated (Dmitri) (@wartranslated.bsky.social) August 8, 2025 at 9:30 AM

That’s enough for tonight.

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Today’s dogs of war are these two puppies Veronika spotted in Lviv.

They look like they are on a cute little puppy date.

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— Tim Mak (@timkmak.bsky.social) August 8, 2025 at 10:15 AM

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Oven Woes Open Thread

by WaterGirl|  August 8, 20256:56 pm| 77 Comments

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So my oven repair didn’t go as well yesterday as my A/C repair the day before.

The relay switch on the board that controls everything had failed.  They don’t make the board anymore and it’s not for sale anywhere.  But you can send it “out for repair” to someone on the internet, so they took the part out and mailed it off.

I thought, the oven hasn’t worked for 3 weeks and I’ve been fine with the countertop oven / convection oven/ air fryer, so I didn’t give it another thought.  Until it occurred to me that NOTHING works without the board. I had some leftover pizza that got me through yesterday and today.  So here I sit, waiting for the cheap electric skillet to arrive so I can make some dinner.

Oh good, Amazon says it’s out for delivery.  Then I clicked to see all the details, and it’s been out for delivery for the past 7-1/2 hours!

I am hungry and I’m going to be very cranky if it doesn’t arrive today.

But at least my head isn’t *so big that someone thinks I need 2 bandannas, so I have that going for me!  (Just teasing, John.)

*I do recall, though, from cap & gown measurements in high school that I do have a bigger than average head.

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Foreign Affairs Open Thread: Once Again, Trump Surrenders to Putin

by Anne Laurie|  August 8, 20251:31 pm| 100 Comments

This post is in: Foreign Affairs, Open Threads, Trump Crime Cartel, War in Ukraine, Lock Him Up...Lock Them All Up

REPORTER: Does your deadline for Vladimir Putin still stand tomorrow?
TRUMP: Say it — what?
REPORTER: Is your deadline still standing for Putin to agree to a ceasefire tomorrow?
TRUMP: It's gonna be up to him. Very disappointed.

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— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com) August 7, 2025 at 4:30 PM

Not to step into Adam’s bailiwick, but I think this deserves immediate attention…

I’m sorry, I was reliably assured that Trump had finally decided to get tough on Russian

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— Tom Nichols (@radiofreetom.bsky.social) August 8, 2025 at 12:03 PM

Per Bloomberg, “US and Russia Plan Truce to Cement Putin’s Gains in Ukraine”:

US and Russian officials are working toward an agreement on territories for a planned summit meeting between Presidents Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin as early as next week, the people said, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss private deliberations. The US is working to get buy-in from Ukraine and its European allies on the deal, which is far from certain, the people said.

Putin is demanding that Ukraine cede its entire eastern Donbas area to Russia as well as Crimea, which his forces illegally annexed in 2014. That would require Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy to order a withdrawal of troops from parts of the Luhansk and Donetsk regions still held by Kyiv, handing Russia a victory that its army couldn’t achieve militarily since the start of the full-scale invasion in February 2022.

Such an outcome would represent a major win for Putin, who has long sought direct negotiations with the US on terms for ending the war that he started, sidelining Ukraine and its European allies. Zelenskiy risks being presented with a take-it-or-leave-it deal to accept the loss of Ukrainian territory, while Europe fears it would be left to monitor a ceasefire as Putin rebuilds his forces. …

It’s unclear if Moscow is prepared to give up any land that it currently occupies, which includes the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, the largest in Europe.

The White House didn’t reply to a request to comment. Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov didn’t immediately respond to a request to comment. Ukraine declined to comment on the proposals…

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Putin on Friday held phone calls with Chinese President Xi Jinping and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi as well as with the leaders of South Africa, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, and Belarus to share details of his Aug. 6 meeting with Trump’s envoy Steve Witkoff in Moscow, according to the Kremlin…

It’s still unclear if Putin would agree to take part in a trilateral meeting with Trump and Zelenskiy next week, even if he had already struck an agreement with the US president, the people added. The Russian leader told reporters on Thursday that he didn’t object to meeting Zelenskiy under the right conditions, though he said they don’t exist now.

Multiple officials, including in the US, have expressed skepticism over Putin’s willingness to call a halt to the war and whether he’s genuinely interested in a peace deal that would fall short of his stated goals in Ukraine, according to the people.

Trump said on Thursday that he’d be willing to meet with Putin, even if the Russian leader hadn’t agreed to also sit down with Zelenskiy, apparently overriding earlier suggestions of a trilateral meeting…

6/ The terms and plans of the accord are said to still be in flux and could still change. The agreement will be finalised when Trump and Putin meet next week. /end
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— ChrisO_wiki (@chriso-wiki.bsky.social) August 8, 2025 at 11:17 AM

It’s hard to imagine how Trump could have played this any worse.
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— John Sipher (@johnsipher.bsky.social) August 8, 2025 at 9:03 AM

Shonda. [gift link]

… Mr. Trump, pressed by a reporter in the Oval Office about whether Mr. Putin had to meet with Mr. Zelensky in a trilateral meeting with Mr. Trump in order for Mr. Trump to meet with Mr. Putin, Mr. Trump said, “No he doesn’t,” according to a pool report.

Mr. Zelensky, in a statement on X, said a number of meeting formats had been floated.

“Ukraine is not afraid of meetings and expects the same brave approach from the Russian side,” he said. “It is time we ended the war. Thank you to everyone who is helping.”…

The White House’s sudden commitment to hold a summit has raised questions about what, if anything, Mr. Putin agreed to on Wednesday during his talks in Moscow with Mr. Witkoff.

Exactly what the two men discussed is unclear. Mr. Ushakov told reporters on Wednesday that Mr. Putin had conveyed certain “signals” to Mr. Witkoff on Ukraine, but the Kremlin aide did not go into detail…

Some analysts suggested that Mr. Putin had told envoys during talks this year to stick only to the hardest-line position, in order to force a meeting between him and Mr. Trump. Russian officials may be hoping that a one-on-one summit will give Mr. Putin an opportunity to sway Mr. Trump, long sympathetic to Russia, back to supporting the Russian leader’s views on what he calls “the root causes of the conflict.”…

Ms. Stanovaya said that Mr. Putin would prefer the capitulation of Mr. Zelensky, under pressure from Mr. Trump, so Russian forces can stop fighting. But the logic of Russia’s leader, she said, is “we will get what we want at any cost,” regardless of the economic or societal toll.

“They are prepared to fight for years if necessary,” she added. “Of course, they’d prefer not to.”

Putin is still gleefully goading him 👇

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— Mona Burns (@monaburns.bsky.social) August 8, 2025 at 6:34 AM

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I Miss Soonergrunt

by WaterGirl|  August 8, 20251:15 pm| 63 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads

[I wrote this the other night and was about to post it when another thread went up.  So not at timely as it would have been, but I still think it works.]

 

I miss *Soonergrunt.

Until today, I had always thought Freddie De Boer was some fantasy character cooked up in a TV show writers room for a tendentious perpetual counter-example guy–one of those guys who thinks he’s a liberal but always manages to take anti-liberal positions because he’s really a conservative asshole.

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— soonergrunt (@soonergrunt.bsky.social) August 6, 2025 at 7:14 PM

That is all.

Open thread.

*and his little dog, too!

Freddie, the Greatest Rescue Dog in the World 2

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Please, Let It Be So!

by WaterGirl|  August 8, 20259:30 am| 163 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Politics

Knives Out  (Rick Wilson)

It’s finally happening.

No, not the sweet meteor of death, not the rapture, and not the long-delayed federal raid on the child-sex-trafficking and human-sacrifice dungeon in Mar-a-Lago’s catacombs. (See? Two can play at that game, MAGA.)

But something that, for the first time in a long time, feels like political gravity is remembering to do its damn job. Donald Trump, the screeching orange parasite who first hollowed out and killed the old Republican Party and has been determined to wreck American constitutional government during his second term, is bleeding out in the polls.

And the cause? That festering political necrosis otherwise known as Jeffrey Umbermolestus, a name that’s long been whispered behind Trump’s gold-plated throne but has finally broken through the wall of MAGA denial like Juggernaut on bath salts.

Since the cover-up of the Epstein files began a mere month ago (I know…it seems longer), the air has shifted. You can read it in the data. You can smell it in the flop sweat of the White House’s comms operation. You can see it in the failed social posts, the pointless, ChatGPT-generated trolling responses Karoline Leavitt pukes out in the Brady Press Room every day. You can sense the tension on the Fox set every night as they desperately try to get back to the real issues, like Joe Biden’s autopen and the scourge of trans Wiccan pickleball players in the NCAA.

Please let it be so!

Open thread.

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Are We All In on Decisive Wins in Virginia?

by WaterGirl|  August 8, 20259:02 am| 36 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Targeted Political Fundraising 2025-26

Where has the summer gone?

There are fewer than 90 left before the Virginia elections in November.

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