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War for Ukraine Day 1,067: The Russian Drone Swarms Continue & the Drone Safaris Expand to Kharkiv

by Adam L Silverman|  January 25, 202510:49 pm| 8 Comments

This post is in: Foreign Affairs, Foreign Policy, Military, Open Threads, Russia, Silverman on Security, War, War in Ukraine

Painting by NEIVANMADE. It has a white background an in the center are Soldiers in green doing air defense by firing at incoming Russian missiles in the upper right. The missiles are red and yellow. In the upper left, written in green, is the text: "SAVE THE BRAVEST PEOPLE IN THE WORLD!" Below the Soldiers, also written in green, is "SUPPORT FOR KHARKIV"

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A quick housekeeping note and an update on something from last night. First, I’m still fired, so I’m just going to run through the basics again.

Second, we now have more clarification on the freeze on all US aid that I included in last night’s post. It does not apply to food aid, but just about everything else. Including aid to Ukraine. Embassy Kyiv has sent a query back to State for clarification, but for now things are on hold. The only other items that the order didn’t freeze is aid to Israel and Egypt, as well as the transfer of the 2,000 lbs bombs that the Biden folks slow walked and Bibi has been bitching about.

If anyone wins here it is the PRC because this creates a huge opportunity for them to move into the space the US has just abandoned, make up the difference, and get some easy soft power wins. I don’t know if they will or not, but that’s what this order freezing aid and assistance does. This is the Trump administration shooting the US’s soft power in the knees. At least.

The Russians spent much of the day attacking Kharkiv with drones. This included some of the Russian human safari by drone.

This is russian drone falling (literally) on the residential area of Kharkiv today

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— Kate from Kharkiv (@kateinkharkiv.bsky.social) January 25, 2025 at 9:46 AM

Russia attacked Kharkiv with three Molniya drones, striking an infrastructure facility, an administrative building, and a site near a supermarket. Three people were injured. In broad daylight, drones continue to freely fly over and terrorize Ukraine’s second-largest city!

— Iryna Voichuk (@irynavoichuk.bsky.social) January 25, 2025 at 9:07 AM

Kharkiv prosecutors reveal russia’s Molniya drones are packed with deadly metal balls designed to kill and injure anyone on the streets.

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— Iryna Voichuk (@irynavoichuk.bsky.social) January 25, 2025 at 4:58 PM

One of the Russian drones in Kharkiv struck near a parking lot and a public transportation stop, damaging 7 cars.

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— Kate from Kharkiv (@kateinkharkiv.bsky.social) January 25, 2025 at 8:09 AM

Something just exploded very loudly somewhere in the city, completely out of nowhere. The alert has been on for almost 5 hours, so of course, everyone has been forced to disregard it by now. This is what ‘normal’ nights in Kharkiv look like.

— Kate from Kharkiv (@kateinkharkiv.bsky.social) January 25, 2025 at 6:02 PM

President Zelenskyy’s did not make an address today. He did hold a joint press availability with the Moldovan President Maia Sandu. Video below, English transcript after the jump.

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Joint statement by President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelenskyy and President of the Republic of Moldova Maia Sandu

25 January 2025 – 13:24

President of the Republic of Moldova Maia Sandu made a visit to Ukraine upon the invitation of President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelenskyy. The Presidents of Ukraine and the Republic of Moldova had talks, following which they:

  • Emphasized the importance of the relationship between Ukraine and the Republic of Moldova, based on the principles of good neighbourliness, shared democratic values, and respect for international law. Furthermore, agreed to enhance collaboration on initiatives that will strengthen the partnership between the two states;
  • Agreed to further intensify their efforts aimed at developing solid and comprehensive relations between Ukraine and the Republic of Moldova, based on mutual trust, respect, and solidarity; reaffirmed in this context their commitments to a practical, predictable, forward-looking agenda of cooperation between Ukraine and the Republic of Moldova, to be pursued in a constructive and mutually beneficial spirit;
  • Confirmed unconditional support and commitment to the sovereignty, independence, unity, and territorial integrity of both states within their internationally recognized borders;
  • Affirmed the Republic of Moldova’s full solidarity with Ukraine and its people, who are courageously and legitimately fending off Russia’s war of aggression, and agreed to sustain practical assistance to Ukraine as long as may be necessary to put in place conditions for restoring comprehensive, just and lasting peace for Ukraine and strengthen Europe’s security;
  • Underscored the Republic of Moldova’s multidimensional assistance in meeting the needs of Ukraine and its people since the first days of Russia’s illegal, unprovoked, and unjustified full-scale military invasion of Ukraine, recognizing the importance of continuing humanitarian assistance and pledging to enhance collaborative efforts to identify the necessary resources and humanitarian support to those affected by Russia’s war of aggression against Ukraine, including displaced Ukrainians in Moldova;
  • Called for the withdrawal of Russian troops from all temporarily occupied territories of Ukraine and urged the international community to ensure robust security guarantees for Ukraine;
  • Strongly condemned the deliberate and systematic Russian attacks against Ukraine’s civilian infrastructure, causing numerous casualties among the civilian population and constituting a flagrant violation of international humanitarian law. These attacks also threaten Moldova’s citizens by violating its sovereign airspace, with drones landing on Moldovan soil. Such actions are unacceptable and underscore the necessity for immediate and coordinated efforts to ensure Ukraine’s reliable and effective defence;
  • Reaffirmed support for the Peace Formula, which is the only viable and effective mechanism to restore just and lasting peace and to end Russia’s war of aggression against Ukraine in accordance with the norms and principles of international law;
  • Emphasized the fact that an effective sanctions policy is a key factor limiting Russia’s capacity, means and resources to fund its war against Ukraine. Therefore, robust sanctions are not only a key deterrent but also an indispensable instrument for restoring peace in Ukraine and across Europe;
  • Concurred on the significance of the special international tribunal to ensure accountability of the Russian Federation for the war of aggression against Ukraine;
  • Underlined that Russia’s full-scale aggression against Ukraine and continued violations of international norms, condemned by the overwhelming majority of the international community via the General Assembly UN resolutions, raise questions about Russia’s role as a mediator and guarantor in a wide range of conflict situations, including the Transnistrian conflict;
  • Reiterated the shared commitment to the peaceful, negotiated reintegration of the Republic of Moldova and called for the unconditional withdrawal of Russian troops from the Transnistrian region;
  • Strongly condemned the deliberate interruption of gas supplies by the Russian Federation to the Transnistrian region of the Republic of Moldova, which has triggered a humanitarian crisis. The parties reaffirmed their commitment and capacity to provide urgent and concrete solutions to address the energy needs of the Transnistrian region’s residents, prevent further escalation of the crisis and restore basic services;
  • Expressed a resolute readiness for joint steps aimed at strengthening energy security and diversifying energy sources to ensure stability in energy supply and maintain independence from external influences;
  • Denounced the unprecedented subversive activities and hybrid attacks by Russia against Moldova, particularly in the context of last year’s presidential elections and referendum. These actions demonstrate a clear intent to systematically interfere in democratic processes, aiming to destabilise the wider region and undermine stability in Europe;
  • Committed to strengthening cooperation to counter further hybrid threats and disinformation;
  • Reaffirmed mutual determination to strengthen practical cooperation between Ukraine and the Republic of Moldova in all spheres of mutual interest. This commitment encompasses enhancing economic ties, fostering cultural exchanges, and collaborating on common security challenges;
  • Confirmed a resolute commitment to cooperate with the international community to ensure effective and sustainable recovery for Ukraine after Russia’s war of aggression, while working to address the urgent needs arising from the war and rebuild the nation in a manner that fosters resilience and stability;
  • Highlighted the importance of enhancing connectivity between the Republic of Moldova and Ukraine, which involves developing existing transport infrastructure, facilitating border crossings, removing bottlenecks, and establishing new border crossing points;
  • Emphasized the importance of using existing cooperation mechanisms within the UN, OSCE, Council of Europe, UNESCO, IAEA, etc., as well as of regional formats – including the trilateral Ukraine-Romania-the Republic of Moldova – with the aim to foster cooperation between the states on security, energy, infrastructure and other projects;
  • Acknowledged the progress made by both Ukraine and the Republic of Moldova in their pursuit of the strategic goal of full-fledged membership in the European Union. Both states are dedicated to implementing the necessary reforms for European integration and opening all negotiation clusters by the end of 2025;
  • Stated that Ukraine and the Republic of Moldova are committed to further enhancing their interstate relations based on mutual trust and respect, openness, and comprehensive collaboration for the benefit of the citizens of both states.

Yesterday, President Zelenskyy presented awards to Ukrainian intelligence professionals. Here’s the video:

Georgia:

Day 59 continuous. For two months, protests have been non-stop in Batumi as well. This is at the Batumi port.
#GeorgiaProtests #NewElectionsforGeorgia

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— Marika Mikiashvili 🇬🇪🇺🇦🇪🇺 (@marikamikiashvili.bsky.social) January 25, 2025 at 1:31 PM

On January 24, protest slogans and statements from significant moments in Georgian history were broadcast from Tbilisi’s bus payment machines. Today, two citizens appeared on Rustaveli Avenue dressed as these machines.

#GeorgiaProtests
Day 60

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— Publika.ge (@publikage.bsky.social) January 25, 2025 at 12:55 PM

“Report the truth” — Protesters hold daily demonstrations outside the Public Broadcaster, which is loyal to GD, demanding airtime. Today, protests were also held near government propaganda channels. Eventually, everyone marched to Rustaveli.

#GeorgiaProtests
Day 59

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— Publika.ge (@publikage.bsky.social) January 25, 2025 at 12:41 PM

Back to Ukraine:

Nemesis unit does not stop hunting Russian air defense systems. This time Russian BUK-M3 was bombarded by heavy night bomber drone. t.me/usf_army/359

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— 🦋Special Kherson Cat🐈🇺🇦 (@specialkhersoncat.bsky.social) January 25, 2025 at 10:05 AM

A French VAB Mk3 6×6 APC in desert camouflage with an installed Ukrainian Combat Module “Sich” somewhere in Ukraine. t.me/TyskNIP/14785

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— 🦋Special Kherson Cat🐈🇺🇦 (@specialkhersoncat.bsky.social) January 25, 2025 at 2:39 PM

Oil refinery im Ryazan, russia is on fire again 👀💥

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— Kate from Kharkiv (@kateinkharkiv.bsky.social) January 25, 2025 at 6:31 PM

Kupiansk:

💥Achilles UAV battalion and Burevii brigade repel another Russian attack on Kupiansk-Vuzlovyi – video

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— Ukrainska Pravda 🇺🇦 (@pravda.ua) January 25, 2025 at 5:43 PM

From Ukrainska Pravda:

The Achilles Strike UAV Battalion of the 92nd Ivan Sirko Separate Assault Brigade, along with the fighters of the National Guard’s Burevii Brigade, discovered and burned Russian vehicles when the Russians tried to conduct an assault in the vicinity of Pishchane on 24 January.

Source: Achilles Strike UAV Battalion

Деталі: У бік Купʼянська-Вузлового висувалося 4 БТР з піхотою.

Details: Four armoured personnel carriers carrying soldiers were heading towards Kupiansk-Vuzlovyi.

Achilles soldiers destroyed four armoured personnel carriers, killing three Russian soldiers and injuring four more.

Background:

  • On 3 and 4 January, the UAV crews of the Achilles strike battalion stopped 20 Russian armoured vehicles over two days.
  • Earlier, Commander Anton Shmahailo of the Achilles UAV Battalion has suggested that the Russian forces may have been given a deadline to achieve specific objectives on the Kupiansk front, such as capturing Kupiansk-Vuzlovyi by the New Year.

It’s the music in the video that just ties it all together.

Ryazan, Russia:

Russian Ryazan oil refinery again targeted by drones

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— 🦋Special Kherson Cat🐈🇺🇦 (@specialkhersoncat.bsky.social) January 25, 2025 at 6:34 PM

Oil refinery im Ryazan, russia is on fire again 👀💥

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— Kate from Kharkiv (@kateinkharkiv.bsky.social) January 25, 2025 at 6:31 PM

That’s enough for tonight.

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Hungry cats on a cold and snowy Saturday in eastern Ukraine!

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— Nate Mook (@natemook.bsky.social) January 25, 2025 at 3:02 PM

It never ceases to amaze me how well-behaved Ukrainian dogs are. As the Hachiko team arrived to the city of Sviatohirsk, the homeless dogs lined up waiting patiently to be served. 🐕🐩🐕

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— Nate Mook (@natemook.bsky.social) January 25, 2025 at 7:11 PM

Open thread!

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Serious, Constructive Open Thread: Concerning Birthright Citizenship

by Anne Laurie|  January 25, 20254:45 pm| 136 Comments

This post is in: Excellent Links, Immigration

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— 2025 is 1984 and loyalty over competence ?? (@jrfree.bsky.social) January 21, 2025 at 10:49 AM

If you're born in America, you're an American. Period.

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— Rep. Lauren Underwood (@underwood.house.gov) January 24, 2025 at 10:48 AM

Since it’s the weekend, here’s some reading from an actual expert on birthright citizenship:

I've been writing about birthright citizenship for 20 years. This thread strings together my opinion pieces (not law review tomes, which I will post separately). I wrote a book about the Fourteenth Amendment and I debated John Eastman 20 years ago about his vile plan to end birthright citizenship./1

— Garrett Epps (@garrettepps.bsky.social) January 21, 2025 at 9:08 AM

Fifteen years ago, the right agreed that the Constitution would need to be changed to do away with birthright citizenship. But that began to seem just too hard./2

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— Garrett Epps (@garrettepps.bsky.social) January 21, 2025 at 9:11 AM

Where text is clear, a Da Vinci "originalist" suggests secret meanings. Where history is clear, they change the subject to Machiavelli, or Blackstone. Where the evidence thin, well, they raise a pinky and suggest that those who disagree are simply too stupid to understand the lost symbol./3

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— Garrett Epps (@garrettepps.bsky.social) January 21, 2025 at 9:14 AM

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Here's a debate between me and a "scholar" who misquotes the evidence and cites it in the wrong context, and still can't get any traction on his claim that the "original meaning" is no birthright citizenship./4 publicsquare.net/birthright-c…

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— Garrett Epps (@garrettepps.bsky.social) January 21, 2025 at 9:18 AM

Rand Paul tries to negate the Fourteenth Amendment by inventing a claim that the Citizenship Clause only applies to "former slaves."/5 authory.com/app/content/…

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— Garrett Epps (@garrettepps.bsky.social) January 21, 2025 at 9:20 AM

Eight years after I debated Eastman, the MAGA movement invented a new claim–Trump could abolish birthright citizenship on his own. Note how the POST allows this lackey to falsify a quote. Sloppiness, not malice. But still hard to forgive./6
authory.com/app/content/…

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— Garrett Epps (@garrettepps.bsky.social) January 21, 2025 at 9:22 AM

Testing the idea that children of the undocumented are not "subject to the jurisdiction": "If a foreign citizen rear-ends your car on your drive home today, will you, or the police, allow him to drive away? For those scoring at home, the answer is no."
/7
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— Garrett Epps (@garrettepps.bsky.social) January 21, 2025 at 9:26 AM

Here is me on the Atlantic Argument video, explaining that the Citizenship Clause is part of the very meaning of "American."/8
www.theatlantic.com/video/index/…

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— Garrett Epps (@garrettepps.bsky.social) January 21, 2025 at 9:29 AM

It took only a few days for John Eastman to begin claiming that Kamala Harris (born in Oakland to legal immigrants) was ineligible to be vice-president. Moving goalposts are so useful!/9

— Garrett Epps (@garrettepps.bsky.social) January 21, 2025 at 9:30 AM

Here we see James C. Ho, the Trump of the Fifth Circuit, has discovered that his years of arguing for birthright citizenship may just be inoperative, in case any presidents who appoint Justices are listening./10 authory.com/app/content/…

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— Garrett Epps (@garrettepps.bsky.social) January 21, 2025 at 9:32 AM

If you've made it this far, then you might be interested in the heavy duty version of this, published in AMERICAN UNIVERSITY LAW REVIEW in 2011./11 end
papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers….

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— Garrett Epps (@garrettepps.bsky.social) January 21, 2025 at 9:34 AM

Furthermore:

The law of birthright citizenship is not unsettled just because some nativist cranks churned out utterly bogus academic "literature" contesting it. slate.com/news-and-pol…

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— Mark Joseph Stern (@mjsdc.bsky.social) January 24, 2025 at 2:36 PM

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Cloture is a Decent Predictor and We Can Use It

by @heymistermix.com|  January 25, 20252:07 pm| 97 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads

From my earlier post, these are the Democrats who voted for cloture (ending debate) on the Noem nomination:

John Fetterman (D-PA) Maggie Hassan (D-NH) Tim Kaine (D-VA) Andy Kim (D-NJ) Gary Peters (D-MI) Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH) Elissa Slotkin (D-MI) Raphael Warnock (D-GA)

Here are the ones who voted for the nomination:

Six Democrats voted with Republicans to confirm Noem: Sens. John Fetterman (Pa.), Tim Kaine (Va.), Andy Kim (N.J.), Gary Peters (Mich.), Jeanne Shaheen (N.H.) and Elissa Slotkin (Mich.).

So, 6/8 who voted for cloture voted for the nomination of Cricket’s killer.  I don’t understand Andy Kim or Tim Kaine.  The rest are swing staters who’ve apparently bought into some fantabulous theory of how their vote will insulate them from Republicans hating them. If anyone has insight into why their Senator voted that way, I’d be interested in hearing it.  These votes are corrosive to morale as well as to the future of the Democratic Party, as far as I’m concerned.

Given that a good number of Senators who vote for cloture also vote for the nomination, but some don’t, calling your Senator after they make that (bad) vote is probably an excellent use of your time, if you’re so inclined.  The Senate has a pretty good system for showing which nominations are next.  This link goes to the executive calendar.  Next to each date is a link showing all actions taken on the nomination.  Clicking on the link shows all the actions taken so far.  If you look at Noem’s, you can see the votes (except for the last one) and actions taken, which are atypical — her nomination was bum rushed through the Senate, and the cloture vote greased the skids.

Anyway, someone, I’m sorry I don’t remember who (please tell us in the comments) posted a link to a story about the vice-chair of the Missouri Democratic Party, Yvonne Reeves-Chong.  It had this graphic:

Cloture is a Decent Predictor, Apparently

She needs to run a seminar for a few Senators, I think.

Finally, unrelated but helpful, is Cheryl Rofer’s roundup of all the Trump action (and pushback) this week.  Glad she’s doing it, because it’s a lot of work.

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Our Media Is Not Up to the Task

by John Cole|  January 25, 20251:12 pm| 81 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Our Failed Media Experiment

Checking the headlines this morning, I saw this fucking gem:

Our Media Is Not Up to the Task
Politico headline stating: ” McConnell sends a message

That’s not the message that McConnell was sending- the message was “I am impotent as fuck and my 40 years in office meant not a god damned thing when it came to persuading my peers.” The media, as a collective, still is not up to the challenge and has not shifted their approach one iota. It’s just business as usual.

In science, there are these things called “paradigm shifts”- a great book I read many many moons ago as a much younger man called The Structure of Scientific Revolutions by Thomas Kuhn. I don’t have the book here as it is at home on the bookshelf, but basically his premise was that most of the time, normal science operates within an accepted paradigm, but there are things called paradigm shifts that upend the normal way of doing things, and over time the new paradigm becomes the new normal. I’m not going to go into all the old readings of the received view and the philosophy of science and Wittgenstein and all the other stuff- there is a fellow named Tom Levenson who writes here who is much smarter and versed on the topic and I know he can explain things to us without the anxiety and drug and alcohol induced haze that clouds my memory.

Basically, what I am saying, is that things have changed so profoundly in the last few decades that the media’s old approach not only does not accurately cover or represent what is actually happening, and applying their paradigm of politics and news coverage structurally no longer works. They no longer know or understand what they are seeing and are, because of their refusal to shift their approach, and as such can no longer accurately provide information to the public.

Basically, what is happening is if a doctor walked into a normal operating room and started talking about bleeding and leeches and ill humours while everyone else is practicing modern medicine. Or a physicist still talking about phlogiston.

So not only is this going on, with the practitioners in the media completely oblivious to the fact they are doing damage and not accurately reflecting the world anymore, but they are also consumed by an obscene arrogance, and react violently to anyone who points out the error of their ways. Add to it that many of the members of the media are not subject matter experts or, to be brutally honest, the smartest people in the room (those j school students bouncing across campus are not Rhodes Scholars or future Nobel winners), and you have a bunch of people who have no idea what is going on, no recognition of reality or their role in it, with a heightened arrogance that pushes them to not only look down on anyone who questions them and their status, but also a petulance to punish anyone who refuses to not act in accordance to the old media landscape that no longer exists but in their own fucking heads.

It’s depressing as fuck to watch.

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Checking In With Opposition Leader AOC

by @heymistermix.com|  January 25, 202511:58 am| 116 Comments

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AOC was on Jon Stewart’s podcast the other day.  I’m no fan of the guy but it was a good interview, mainly because he let her talk.  Anyway, I found a transcript and wanted to share a few quotes that I found interesting.  The excerpt is pretty long so it’s after the jump.  Also, for those of you who tend to run to the fainting couch and clutch your pearls while inhaling smelling salts when the sacred Democratic Party is criticized, you may want to preserve your health by not reading further.

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AOC: One of the things that MLK would talk about, he would talk about this this tension between people who value order over valuing justice. I think there is this really strong attachment to order and business as usual. I think also a lot of Democrats see that as a contrast. They’re like, See, we’re not them, so we are going to ask you what tea you want, as opposed to calling it like it is, which I think sometimes is seen as a little more gauche.

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JS: […]When you wanted to be the ranking member of the Oversight Committee, the Democrats decided to hand it to, and nothing against Representative Connolly, but he’s 74 years old. It’s almost as if they were saying, Congresswoman Ocasio-Cortez is really great at this, but he’s 74, so there’s nothing we can do. He’s a 74-year-old man. He’s first in line.

AOC: I mean, there are rules and structures and orders in the Democratic Party. One that we know very well is seniority. It’s a seniority rule type of system. It is true, my run was… It was a challenging of an entire system. It wasn’t just about me or about any… Again, I think Jerry’s great, but it wasn’t just about two individuals.

[…] it was about challenging a system, and a system of in a way of making decisions in the party. The problem with that is that when you asked Democrats sometimes to challenge the way that they’ve been operating for decades, it’s existential in some ways. If we don’t make decisions like this, what could we possibly do? What would result?

JS: [D]oesn’t Trump rise and the way that he’s operating make farce of that? Yeah. I mean, in some ways, he clowns them. That it doesn’t look like a holding to protocol. It looks like submission. It doesn’t in any any way appear to be they’re maintaining the thing about the party that is ineffectual, that doesn’t do anything. Yet that’s the thing they seem to cling to the most.

AOC: Yeah. And not only that, but the other thing that makes it dangerous is that it makes us remarkably predictable. It makes the Democratic Party highly predictable in the decisions it’s going to make, in the people that we’re going to select, in the type of people we advance in the way that we make decisions. And when we are highly predictable to the opposition, they will be one, two, four steps ahead. They know what Democrats are going to do.

JS: You’re talking more on a procedural level, or do you mean also a ideological level?

AOC: I think both. I think they know what we’re going to do politically. They know how we position ourselves, even within internal squabbles, when there’s a aggressive or whatever you may want to say about it. They can map us out. Because of that, they’re able to operate around that. They’ll say, Oh, yeah, they’re going to do that, or they’re not going to do that. There was never any question about who or who wouldn’t show up to the inauguration, for example, or how they would be received, I think. And they know that. And so they’re able to… To your point, Trump is able to run roughshod through these things because he knows, he has a lot of the party’s number in terms of how they’re going to operate. I think that sometimes making certain calculated but unpredictable choices is a way that we can put ourselves, gives ourselves the upper hand.

JS:  […] I think in some ways, it reveals some of the Democrats posturing as performative. When you’re creating apocalyptic messaging about a fascist- Literally. Who is literally coming over and doing these things. And then when he wins sitting down with watercress sandwiches and cream cheese and doing the whole nine yards, it makes you wonder, well, did you believe any of the shit you were saying before? […] Or was that something, again, that was just a part of your messaging?

AOC: Yeah. No, it’s really true. I think something that what makes this go around with Trump so much more dangerous than the first time around is exactly what you’re saying. It’s that he is much more normalized this time around than he was the first time. The first time, people were really on edge. They were on guard. They were very vigilant about any break that he would have with these norms. This time, the norms are becoming him. The norms are embracing him. Even these little things that everyday working people may not care about, but they are strong cultural signals. Oscar de la Renta, like dressing all of the women. There’s all these cultural symbols, right?

There was a pretty long exchange on money and politics, and AOC said when she was appointed to the Energy and Commerce Committee this year (one of the four “money” committees in Congress, in charge of billions in appropriations), her phones were ringing off the hook with lobbyists who wanted to influence her.

AOC:  […] One of the things that we need to do is to talk to people directly. Also, guess what? There need to be Democrats who walk the walk and talk the talk. There is an insane amount of hypocrisy, and the hypocrisy is what gets exploited to use the cynicism.  […] And wherever there’s a hypocritical window. For example, I think one of the most biggest examples of this is insider trading in Congress.

[…]  I think sometimes what my colleagues and other people in the party don’t understand is that the insider trading that happens in Congress, it explodes the cynicism that fuels the right. It doesn’t benefit us. It benefits Republicans because they make no bones about the fact that they are here, about what class they are here to serve. In fact, Republicans are far more honest in this respect sometimes, which is that they’re here to serve the billionaire class, and they make decisions very publicly to serve that billionaire class.

She also talked about immigration and the Laken Riley act, and segued into the Democratic Party agenda:
AOC: Now, first and foremost, her family explicitly asked that her name not be politicized or used or wielded in this way. Every time I see this, it’s just so disgusting to me that they just trampled on this family’s wishes and decided to do this. But anyways, so you have this act that’s brought forth, and Republicans say, Okay, well, this person, if you have a criminal record, if you’ve sexually assaulted somebody, you should be deported. And so that’s the guise of this bill, right? And They said, so that should be the law. Except that’s not what’s in this law, because A, that is existing US law. […]
Now, in this bill, all you need to do is be accused of a crime. And you don’t have to be fully undocumented. It works against dreamers, too. So you could be here. You could have lawful- So they take a narrow common sense issue [deporting immigrants who commit violent crimes] , and then what they do is they expand the margins out on it to things that would not be common sense.
[…]

And so this is the thing that we need to be aware of. But it’s also something that you haven’t heard this because Democrats are very scared on these kinds of issues. Democrats are vulnerable on issues of immigration. And so the response, instead of being more full-throated and telling people how they’re being conned, is to just be quiet about it and to go along with it.

JS: So let’s take your energy, let’s take the passion that you have for these issues. Let’s think about, because right now, the Democrats are almost fully defined by their positions on Trump, as opposed to people are thirsty for a leadership The Democrats, I think, have had a really difficult time responding to that thirst, responding to that action. […]

AOC: Well, I think we need a real agenda. If you’ve noticed, the Democratic Party has not really had a platform with any new- I have noticed. Yeah. There’s no platform. I mean, there’s technically a platform that gets voted out. This is the crux of it. If you ask a working class American or just any normal American, what is a Democrat? What do they stand for? They will not really be able to give you a clear answer And so our party needs a clear and strong agenda. I think one of the problems is that the internal incentives within the Democratic Party are quite contrary to a clear, full-throated agenda.  […]

This is where I think when you talk about responsiveness, it’s that a lot of people propose these things that nibble around the edges but don’t actually structurally address the problem. They’ll say, Okay, we’re going to do a little bit of Medicare reform here. That doesn’t fix the problem. That doesn’t fix the fact that you aren’t paid a living wage from the jump, from the time you’re 15 years old getting your first job at McDonald’s or Baskin Robbins or wherever it is. We don’t have money. We need money. That doesn’t solve that problem. It doesn’t solve the fact that the price of college is just skyrocketing year over year, and it’s increasingly becoming something that’s only accessible for more and more elite people as time goes on. It doesn’t fix the fact that then in order to that degree, yes, it still does give you a ticket to a more privileged class. I know there’s a lot of discussion about is college worth and also the trades, too. The trades are incredibly important as well. But these are still tickets to a more… So people are getting left behind at every single stage of life.

And what the Democratic response has been is like, oh, let’s expand Pell Grants a little bit. […]

At the end of the day, and the stuff that’s crazy to me is the answers are stuff — we’re just asking for things that our parents and our grandparents had. Tuition-free public colleges and universities, not new.

We should be lowering the age of Medicare. I want the age of Medicare to be lowered to zero, but even you bring it to 50 and you will be able to make tons and tons of people far more secure in their lives, which, by the way, helps their kids because you’re working your ass off to get your parents health care because they’re not 65 yet.

Emphasize consequences, not norms.  Show anger, not measured platitudes.  She gets it.

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I Could Lie and Say to You That This Would Soon Be Over

by @heymistermix.com|  January 25, 202511:09 am| 83 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads

Hmm, where to start.

Trump fired 17 inspector generals overnight, which is illegal, if you still believe in laws.  (Guardian link, couldn’t find the AP story on it.)

Hegseth squeaked through the Senate yesterday after President Musk instructed VP Vance to cast the tie breaking vote.  Murkowski, Collins and Yertle RINOed out and voted against Fox’s golden boy.

75% of the farm workers harvesting oranges in Kern County, CA didn’t show up for work yesterday after ICE raids in the area. Here’s a graphic from opposition leader AOC on your rights if you’re ICE tries to arrest you. And here’s an article from Teen Vogue (yes) about neighborhood ICE watch.

These 8 Democrats just voted last night to advance the nomination of Kristi Noem for DHS Secretary:

John Fetterman (D-PA)
Maggie Hassan (D-NH)
Tim Kaine (D-VA)
Andy Kim (D-NJ)
Gary Peters (D-MI)
Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH)
Elissa Slotkin (D-MI)
Raphael Warnock (D-GA)

— Jonathan Cohn (@jonathancohn.bsky.social) January 25, 2025 at 5:59 AM

I don’t get Warnock or Kaine. There’s going to be a weekend vote on her nomination. These guys are moving fast. For comparison, no Democrat voted to end debate on Hegseth. Moscow Mitch voted for cloture then voted against the nomination. (Edit: As John pointed out in the comments, Fetterman was the only Democrat to vote for the Senate to go into executive session to consider Hegseth’s nomination.)

That’s not all, but it’s probably enough.

Update: Noem nomination passed 59-34, but the roll call hasn’t been posted yet.

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Saturday Morning Open Thread: Never Give Up, Never Surrender

by Anne Laurie|  January 25, 20256:46 am| 350 Comments

This post is in: Excellent Links, Open Threads, Proud to Be A Democrat, Republican Venality, Trumpery

For all the blather these days about the dispirited opposition, we've seen two examples already this week — the Episcopalian bishop and the Reagan-appointed judge — who are willing to stand up to Trump's overreach and sociopathy.

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— Bill Grueskin (@bgrueskin.bsky.social) January 23, 2025 at 2:48 PM

Bloomberg and (to my surprise) Axios launched Project 2025 trackers this week, connecting Trump's moves to the wildly unpopular manifesto. This is a really good opportunity for Democrats to run riot over this already plowed and seeded terrain and keep their grip on the Project 2025 narrative.

— Jason Linkins (@dceiver.bsky.social) January 25, 2025 at 2:06 AM

It's really rare for these kinds of media organs to evince something of a civic impulse (or an impulse that can be shaped into a civic impulse); it's a good sign that the political media wants to have this partisan conflict to write about and the terms here are highly favorable to Democrats

— Jason Linkins (@dceiver.bsky.social) January 25, 2025 at 2:06 AM

For your consideration, as Rod Serling used to say:

This is an excellent piece. Democrats have actually done OK. But close doesn’t matter as much as the reality that 53 is greater than 47, 220 greater than 215. They can’t do much to stop Trump right now; Repubs have to step up to block nominations
What Dems have to do is oppose. They’ve done…/1

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— Dana Houle (@danahoule.bsky.social) January 22, 2025 at 10:22 AM

…it before. In 2003 new minority leader Nancy Pelosi, in a unified front with organized labor, planted their flag & refused to give an inch on privatizing Social Security. Some Dem wanted to know when Dems would offer their own plan. Pelosi’s response:
“Never. Is never good enough for you?” /2

Another galvanizing moment in Dem opposition to Dubya—probably not one of Mr Kristol’s favorite moments—was the Murtha resolution. Dem John Murtha was the first Vietnam War vet elected to Congress & one of the party’s biggest hawks. But in Nov 2005 Murtha—who had supported the invasion of Iraq— /3

…introduced a resolution calling for the redeployment of all US troops out of Iraq. It had no chance of passing. But it was an earthquake; after being split in 2002-2003, Murtha’s resolution started bringing Dems together in opposition to the war. Repubs flipped out so much that they offered…/4

…their own bullshit resolution they knew everyone would reject. But in the debate new Rep Jean Schmidt said she was asked by a constituent to tell the 37 year Marine Murtha “that cowards cut and run, Marines never do.” Democrats erupted. It was everyone. Some of the Massachusetts liberals…/5

…were shouting at the Repubs, & future DLC chair & current Fox pundit Harold Ford Jr lost his shit & ran across the floor to point & scream at the Republicans for attacking Murtha.

Democrats picked a fight, Republicans took a cheap shot, & it emboldened & unified Democrats. It was…/6

…a turning point & put the Dems on the path to winning the House in 2006 largely on opposition to the war, & the nomination of Barack Obama

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Murtha’s resolution & tge resulting fights didn’t immediately change policy. But it changed the politics of the moment & the next two elections…/7

…which were both Democratic waves, with one of the results being the eventual withdrawal of troops from Iraq under President Obama

These moments can’t always be planned ahead. Bush hadn’t talked much about privatizing Social Security until after his reelection. Murtha’s resolution wouldn’t…/8

…have had the same impact in 2003 or 2004. But when the opportunities arose the Dems sized them. The opposition to privatizing SS & the Iraq War turned the party from the weakass directionless blob of 2002 to the party that won big in 2006 & 2008, ended the Iraq war, stabilized the toddering…/9

…world financial system, & passed the ACA. It was also the start of a years-long unification of a more progressive & disciplined Democratic Party that, despite tiny majorities, passed the most sweeping Dem legislation since the Great Society.

I don’t think opposing everything at all times…/10

…is necessarily the answer; we want the government to work as well as possible, so there will be an occasional vote where Dems should agree w Trump on basic continuation of government. But they also need to pick some big fights. Republicans will overreact. They can be divided. Dems can’t know…/11

…what will break through. But if they hold firm, don’t make cowardly surrenders, persevere, & stand for what’s right, they’re more likely to stop Trumpism than if they passively play it safe. We’re on the right side, what we believe in is more popular than Trumpism, & it’s our only choice. /12

Dems have been pretty consistent on tariffs. But yes, Dems should go to every microphone they see, every keyboard within reach, & talk about Trump releasing cop killers & sex criminals. /13 bsky.app/profile/aowl…

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— Dana Houle (@danahoule.bsky.social) January 22, 2025 at 2:05 PM

What Trump’s doing across the government is far worse—as policy & as political liability—than Bush trying to privatize Social Security. Dems took SS privatization & turned it in to the torpedo that delivered their first direct hit on Bush’s second term. Trump is giving Dems more targets than in 2005

— Dana Houle (@danahoule.bsky.social) January 24, 2025 at 3:01 PM

this isn’t doom (and i think it might even head off some of the worst they can do), but cranking all of these stoves that will cause almost immediate pain means we are probably in for a *rough* february. hangover is gonna set in damned near immediately this time.

— GOLIKEHELLMACHINE (@golikehellmachine.com) January 24, 2025 at 4:50 PM

A huge number of Americans' political choices the last couple of decades have been structured around the fact that nothing truly bad has ever happened to them, and therefore nothing bad *could* ever happen to them. It will be cognitively dissonant, at least!

— Jacob Kramer-Duffield (@jaykaydee.bsky.social) January 24, 2025 at 5:18 PM

I keep thinking about how Dubya's 2nd term started in a rather triumphant mood to and by the end of it the entire political and media establishment were pretending they never supported him.

— Weedle (@weedle.bsky.social) January 24, 2025 at 2:24 AM

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