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Tick tock motherfuckers!

Trump’s cabinet: like a magic 8 ball that only gives wrong answers.

There is no compromise when it comes to body autonomy. You either have it or you do not.

Too little, too late, ftfnyt. fuck all the way off.

Republicans choose power over democracy, every day.

Anyone who bans teaching American history has no right to shape America’s future.

Celebrate the fucking wins.

Everybody saw this coming.

When you’re a Republican, they let you do it.

This has so much WTF written all over it that it is hard to comprehend.

There are no moderate republicans – only extremists and cowards.

Finding joy where we can, and muddling through where we can’t.

Today’s gop: why go just far enough when too far is right there?

… pundit janitors mopping up after the gop

The real work of an opposition party is to hold the people in power accountable.

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So many bastards, so little time.

Shut up, hissy kitty!

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Foreign Affairs Open Thread: A Sacrifice Trump Is Willing to Make

by Anne Laurie|  March 1, 20268:51 pm| 19 Comments

This post is in: Foreign Affairs, Open Threads, Trumpery, War

I have never seen a politician more directly copy this speech in my life

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— Micah (@rincewind.run) March 1, 2026 at 5:13 PM

Seems like the emerging policy is: you people out there are responsible for setting up your own governments, but if the US doesn’t like who ends up in charge we’ll just assassinate or kidnap them and then the ball is back in your court.

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— southpaw (@nycsouthpaw.bsky.social) March 1, 2026 at 10:48 AM

…But also we’re not going to bother with actually defeating the repressive forces of the authoritarian regimes or securing their most advanced weaponry against misuse. That’d be too much like work. It’s decapitation attacks all the way down.

— southpaw (@nycsouthpaw.bsky.social) March 1, 2026 at 10:51 AM

again, there is no strategy or coherent theory of victory here, it is literally bomb stuff — ??? — regime change
WH: DO STUFF IN IRAN
OSD: BOSS WANTS STUFF DONE IN IRAN, ALSO NO TROOPS
CENTCOM: I mean, we can absolutely bomb stuff, hell we'd bomb Iran for free. Jimbo you got them target decks?

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— Mike Black (@mikeblack114.bsky.social) February 28, 2026 at 3:02 PM

Caine: got that Iran stuff planned just like ya asked boss, although I'm not su–
WH: yeah sure cool whatever, make sure there's lots of sizzle reel footage for the poasts, okay nap time
This is a 100% accurate description of what went down here

— Mike Black (@mikeblack114.bsky.social) February 28, 2026 at 3:02 PM

@slyngstad.bsky.social
Punctuation matters 😒

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— Xela Hart (@xelahart.bsky.social) February 28, 2026 at 10:37 AM

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On Iran, Ted Cruz tells CBS/FTN: “I don't have present day intelligence on what progress they had made towards rebuilding nuclear weapons since we bombed their facilities. I have no indication that that they were anywhere close to getting nuclear weapons because our bombing was devastating.”

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— Sahil Kapur (@sahilkapur.bsky.social) March 1, 2026 at 7:31 PM

the reason they haven't shared a justification or a strategy is because there *is* no justification or strategy, but i guess it's kind of noteworthy that even an outlet like politico is starting to be like, "you really can't give us *anything* to run with here?"

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— GOLIKEHELLMACHINE (@golikehellmachine.com) March 1, 2026 at 4:37 PM

when i say “the american public”, this includes every republican member of congress, many of whom have to run for re-election this year

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— GOLIKEHELLMACHINE (@golikehellmachine.com) March 1, 2026 at 7:40 PM

not a misfire, American officials are apparently known to stay here

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— the abbot of unreason (an archaeologist) (@merovingians.bsky.social) February 28, 2026 at 2:06 PM

Warmongers always talk about cutting off the head of a snake, but an authoritarian regime is a snake PIT, not a snake. There’s probably dozens of would-be ayatollahs who are ecstatic today and plotting their rise.

— Eric Flynt (@eflynt.bsky.social) February 28, 2026 at 5:29 PM

The Supreme Leader insisted on not taking special security measures even though he knew the attacks were about to start and was killed in his home. He wanted to die this way.
The concept of martyrdom is an extremely potent, galvanizing force in Shia and Iranian culture.

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— Ali Ahmadi (@aliahmadi.bsky.social) March 1, 2026 at 5:42 AM

literally just this fucking tweet from 2011

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— violentlycar (@violentlycar.bsky.social) March 1, 2026 at 5:56 PM

👆🏽👆🏽👆🏽

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— GenXer-71 (@genxer-71.bsky.social) March 1, 2026 at 12:12 PM

I don’t think this registers as hypocritical to them. “War” is something that the libs and neocons do with soldiers who die because they aren’t as cruel as they are. War’s for suckers who don’t have the stomach to rain death until the enemy surrenders. This isn’t war to them, it’s projecting force.

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— Cooper Lund (@cooperlund.online) February 28, 2026 at 8:39 AM

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Medium Cool – Classics!

by WaterGirl|  March 1, 20267:00 pm| 81 Comments

This post is in: Medium Cool, Popular Culture, Culture as a Hedge Against This Soul-Sucking Political Miasma We're Living In

Medium Cool is a weekly series related to popular culture, mostly film, TV, and books, with some music and games thrown in. We hope it’s a welcome break from the anger, hate, and idiocy we see almost daily from the other side in the political sphere.

Arguments welcomed, opinions respected, fools un-suffered. We’re here every Sunday at 7 pm.

Tonight let’s talk about the classics!

Medium Cool – Books That Shaped Your Views of Race

So let’s talk about classics.  But let’s expand it a bit.  Not just books like Moby Dick or Jane Eyre or Pride and Prejudice or A Tale of Two Cities.

I’m also thinking also about books like The Autobiography of Malcom X and Rules for Radicals and Our Bodies, Ourselves.  Authors like Marge Piercy or Katherine V. Forrest or Maya Angelou and books like The Color Purple.  Books where you found kindred spirits, and could read about people like you.

Two links to help get you thinking.  100 Must Read Classics chosen by Penguin books readers, and faber’s Black History Month Books: Classic Titles by Black Authors.

So… classical classics and irreverent classics and eye-opening classics – and you get to be the judge of what is a classic, it doesn’t have to be on anybody’s classic list but your own.

 

In case you are new to Medium Cool, these are not open threads.

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Respite: At Play in the Fields of the LLMs

by Tom Levenson|  March 1, 20266:17 pm| 95 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Respite, Technology, General Stupidity

ETA: This was written for Balloon Juice but is crossposted at Inverse Square.

So…

Just this week I learned that through my home institution I have access to a suite of LLMs, including all the usual suspects (Anthropic’s Claude, OpenAI’s ChapGPT, Meta’s Llama, and Google’s Gemini. MIT’s come up with a very nice interface to interact with all this artificial talent, and I’ve spent a couple of hours this weekend taking some of them out for a spin. (I’m avoiding OpenAI’s offerings both as a trivial protest and because I don’t trust anything about that company.

So far I’ve enjoyed Claude the most (the Haiku 4.5 model, if you’re wondering). Gemini is interesting, if a bit finicky. But what made me howl was the encounter I just had with Llama, Mr. Zuckerberg’s contribution to the genre. Context: over the holidays I  had a conversation with a senior person at another magnificent 7 tech firm who’d just seen a colleague leave to go to Meta who was utterly dismissive of the company and relieved to be rid of anyone dumb enough (in his view) to basically end his career in top-tier tech by grabbing Facebook bucks. Spoiler: after what you’ll read below, I can see where my friend was coming from.

So here’s the setup. I’ve been asking the various models what I hope are zero-consequence questions, queries in which no one could possibly get hurt if the LLMs wing their way to utter bollocks. A typical ask: map out the logical structure Einstein used in his 1905 light quantum behavior. That one tended to get an initial poor answer based on the idea that the paper centers on the then-pressing mystery of the photoelectric effect–a common mistake for people as well as machines. Pressing the models led Claude in particular to a much more sophisticated account of the paper drawing attention to the way Einstein used arguments from thermodynamics to propose the necessity of understanding light as discrete packets of energy.

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The paper was about this new “heuristic” [Einstein’s term] view of light, and the photoelectric effect appears only as one experimental support for that view. (Much more here.)

After three or four trips through the query engineering needed to get a useful result I’d found my way down the list of models at my disposal to Meta’s Llama.  I was bored with light quanta and so asked a different, much simpler question:

“When a stock is overvalued as defined by a price to earnings ratio a standard deviation or more higher than historical market norms for that company’s sector, what are the typical events or analyses that drive that share price back down to the norm?”

Llama gave me a very stock answer that would have been at home in a high school economics class, so I decided to become a little more pointed in my pursuit:

Given that analysis, how would you explain Tesla’s long run of share prices between one and two orders of magnitude over that of other and much larger and more profitable car companies, like Toyota?

What followed was…first unimpressive and then hilarious. See for yourselves below the jump:

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Tesla’s Valuation Puzzle

Tesla’s share price has been a subject of fascination and debate, with its valuation often being significantly higher than that of other automakers, including Toyota. To understand this phenomenon, let’s examine the factors that have contributed to Tesla’s premium valuation.

Growth and Disruption

  1. Pioneering electric vehicles (EVs): Tesla was one of the first companies to successfully mass-produce EVs, creating a new market and disrupting the traditional automotive industry.
  2. Innovative technology: Tesla has been at the forefront of EV technology, with advancements in battery management, autonomous driving, and software updates.
  3. Brand loyalty and cult following: Tesla has built a strong brand identity, with a loyal customer base and a reputation for innovation and sustainability.

Investor Sentiment and Expectations

  1. Growth expectations: Investors have high expectations for Tesla’s future growth, driven by its expanding product lineup, increasing production capacity, and potential for further market disruption.
  2. Long-term vision: Tesla’s mission to accelerate the world’s transition to sustainable energy has resonated with investors, who are willing to look beyond short-term profitability.
  3. Charismatic leadership: Elon Musk’s leadership and vision have been instrumental in shaping Tesla’s brand and driving investor enthusiasm.

Valuation Metrics and Comparisons

  1. Price-to-earnings (P/E) ratio: Tesla’s P/E ratio has often been significantly higher than that of traditional automakers, reflecting its growth prospects and investor expectations.
  2. Price-to-sales (P/S) ratio: Tesla’s P/S ratio has also been elevated, indicating that investors are willing to pay a premium for its revenue growth.
  3. Comparison to other growth stocks: Tesla’s valuation has been compared to that of other growth stocks, such as Amazon or Shopify, which have also experienced significant premium valuations.

Challenges and Risks

  1. Competition from established automakers: Traditional automakers, including Toyota, have been investing heavily in EV technology, potentially eroding Tesla’s competitive advantage.
  2. Production and delivery challenges: Tesla has faced production and delivery issues in the past, which can impact its ability to meet growth expectations.
  3. Regulatory risks: Changes in government policies or regulations can affect Tesla’s business, particularly if they impact the demand for EVs or the company’s access to incentives.

Why Tesla’s Valuation Has Remained High

Despite the challenges and risks, Tesla’s valuation has remained high due to a combination of factors:

  1. Continued growth and innovation: Tesla has continued to innovate and expand its product lineup, maintaining its position as a leader in the EV market.
  2. Investor enthusiasm and momentum: The company’s strong brand and charismatic leadership have maintained investor enthusiasm, driving the stock price higher.
  3. Speculative buying and short squeezes: Tesla’s stock has been subject to speculative buying and short squeezes, which can contribute to its high valuation.

Comparison to Toyota

Toyota, on the other hand, is a more established automaker with a larger market capitalization and a more diversified product lineup. While Toyota has been investing in EV technology, its valuation has been more in line with traditional automakers. The key differences between Tesla and Toyota are:

  1. Growth prospects: Tesla is expected to continue growing at a faster rate than Toyota, driven by its focus on EVs and innovative technology.
  2. Brand identity and disruption: Tesla has created a new market and disrupted the traditional automotive industry, whereas Toyota is a more established player with a different business model.

In conclusion, Tesla’s high valuation relative to Toyota and other traditional automakers can be attributed to a combination of factors, including its growth prospects, innovative technology, brand loyalty, and investor enthusiasm. While there are challenges and risks associated with Tesla’s business, its continued innovation and growth have maintained its premium valuation.

I saw a few problems with that conclusion, so I asked again:

I’d like you to follow up on that analysis. You say Tesla has an expanding product lineup; it has just discontinued its two largest models (Model S and Model X). The cybertruck has failed to become a mass market vehicle. And global sales are declining while Tesla has been overtaken by BYD as the world’s largest EV maker. Its innovation process has slowed, and it is arguably behind Waymo and others in autonomous driving. Its leader is a controversial figure, whose presence energizes one community but since 2024 at least has alienated another, arguably of those more likely to buy an EV. Are you sure that these are the factors that explain Tesla’s share price? Or to put it another way, would you invest Meta’s money in Tesla at the current P/E ratio?

What followed is, it seems to me, a perfect anecdata demonstration of why we might not want to surrender all of our critical faculties to a set of silicon overlords. Map what Llama says onto what I asked:

Revisiting Tesla’s Valuation

Upon further analysis, it appears that the factors I previously mentioned may not be as relevant as they once were. Tesla’s product lineup has indeed been contracting, with the discontinuation of its two largest models, the Model S and Model X. The Cybertruck, while innovative, has not achieved mass market success. Additionally, Tesla’s global sales have been declining, and the company has been overtaken by BYD as the world’s largest EV maker.

Challenges and Concerns

  1. Declining sales and market share: Tesla’s sales have been declining, and the company has lost its position as the world’s largest EV maker.
  2. Innovation slowdown: Tesla’s innovation process has slowed, particularly in the area of autonomous driving, where it is being surpassed by competitors like Waymo.
  3. Controversy surrounding Elon Musk: Elon Musk’s leadership and behavior have become increasingly polarizing, potentially alienating a significant portion of potential customers.

Reevaluating Tesla’s Valuation

In light of these challenges and concerns, it’s reasonable to question whether Tesla’s current valuation is justified. The company’s P/E ratio is still relatively high, indicating that investors are willing to pay a premium for its shares.

Investment Decision

If I were to advise Meta on investing in Tesla at the current P/E ratio, I would likely recommend caution. While Tesla is still a pioneering company in the EV space, its current challenges and concerns suggest that its growth prospects may be more limited than previously thought.

Alternative Investment Opportunities

There may be other investment opportunities in the EV or technology spaces that offer more attractive growth prospects and valuations. For example, companies like BYD, NIO, or Li Auto may offer more compelling investment opportunities due to their growth potential and competitive positioning.

Conclusion

In conclusion, while Tesla is still a significant player in the EV market, its current challenges and concerns suggest that its valuation may be due for a correction. As an investor, it’s essential to carefully evaluate the company’s prospects and consider alternative investment opportunities before making a decision. At the current P/E ratio, I would likely advise against investing in Tesla, and instead, explore other opportunities that offer more attractive growth prospects and valuations.

That’s a 180 degree swing from the prior answer, generated by nothing more than calling bullshit on the model’s first conclusion.

What does it all mean?

Hell if I know. I’m as far from an expert on all of this stuff as it’s possible to be. I’m just a guy with access to a very funny set of hammers out here looking for nails.

One thought though: there’s a lot of evidence out there, some of which I’ve encountered directly from colleagues and friends, in which various AI approaches have real and large impacts on various problems. Folks doing drug discovery or protein analysis or a lot of coding tasks and…well the list goes on. And in just my brief playtime with Claude et al., I got some distinct value from the LLMs’ ability to look at specific texts and break them down. So anyone saying AI is a fraud top to bottom is, I think, clearly wrong.

But those who think that a general machine intelligence is right around the corner…well, the Llama case above seems to me a pretty clear example of how a statistical inference machine operating on a bucket full of internet slop may not be all that, not yet and quite possibly not for an arbitrarily long time to come.

Image: J. M. W. Turner, Keelman hauling coals by moonlight, 1835

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Interested in a Zoom Book Club to Discuss Tom Levenson’s Book ‘So Very Small’?

by WaterGirl|  March 1, 20262:30 pm| 26 Comments

This post is in: Balloon Juice, Balloon Juice Zooms, Book Clubs, Open Threads, Tom Levenson's So Very Small Book Clu

Re-upping this announcement from Wednesday.

Interested in a Zoom Book Club to Discuss Tom Levenson’s Book 'So Very Small'?

Hey everybody,

Anybody interested in having a Zoom book club to talk about Tom’s book, So Very Small?

Tom is super flexible, so we can talk about arguments in book and the relevance of the book today and /or we can use the book as a jumping off point for discussion.

It’s looking like we will start in 3-4 weeks, zooming the first two weeks of April, to give you guys time to read the book if you’re interested.

If you’re interested in reading / discussing this book, let us know in the comments!

⭐️  ⭐️  ⭐️

SAVE THE DATES

Wednesdays
April 8 and April 15
8 pm Eastern time

Zooms will start on time and will last 90 minutes.

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MORE DETAILS

We will raffle off a signed copy of one of Tom’s books – only participants in the zooms will be eligible for that.

If you want to participate but aren’t in a position right now to buy the book, let us know in the comments or send me email.  I’m sure we’ll be able to pair you up with someone to supply a book.

TO RSVP and get the Zoom link

Send email to WaterGirl and reference Tom or the book in the subject of your message!  And don’t forget to include your nym. :-)

I will send out the Zoom links the week of the first zoom, and the same link will work for both.  So not to worry if you have RSVP’d but you didn’t hear back from me.

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Fun Facts That the Rest of Us May Not Know

by WaterGirl|  March 1, 20261:05 pm| 217 Comments

This post is in: Something Fun

As I was reading the discussion this morning about jars that are hard to open, I thought it could be fun to have a thread where we share some of the tricks that make life easier.  And then I got email this morning telling me that xylitol is now being marketed as “birch sugar”.

I’m sure you guys all know that Xylitol is extremely dangerous, and even life-threatening, to dogs.  It’s in peanut butter and some ice cream and other things one might be tempted to give a dog.

Xylitol is extremely toxic to dogs. Even small amounts of xylitol can cause hypoglycemia (low blood sugar), seizures, liver failure, or even death. Cats, ferrets, and horses do not appear to be at risk from ingestion of xylitol.

So then I thought, hey, let’s combine tricks of the trade and some fun (and possibly not so fun) facts that all of us may not know.

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Sunday Morning Open Thread

by Anne Laurie|  March 1, 20267:32 am| 270 Comments

This post is in: Foreign Affairs, Open Threads, Trumpery

Dog belly dancing, part 2.

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— Liberal Librarian, Emotional Support Cuban 📚 🌿🕓 (@liberallibrarian.bsky.social) February 25, 2026 at 7:21 PM

A children's hospital is renamed for Dolly Parton and hopes to transform pediatric care in Tennessee apnews.com/article/doll…

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— Mark (@ferl67.bsky.social) February 26, 2026 at 9:09 PM

… “Ever since I’ve been in a position to do my part, to help others, I have tried to do just that. Especially when children and families need it most,” Parton said in a video announcement. “I’ve always believed that every child deserves a fair chance to grow up healthy, hopeful and surrounded with love.”

The impact of Parton’s philanthropy is already felt across Tennessee and beyond. Her Imagination Library initiative reports to send 3 million free books every month to children whose parents request them. She donated $1 million to Vanderbilt University’s Medical Center for research that helped produce Moderna’s COVID-19 vaccine. And her charitable foundation provides numerous college scholarships and offers disaster relief.

Dolly Parton Children’s Hospital did not share how much Parton donated as part of the naming announcement. But Matt Schaefer, its president and CEO, said her support would ensure “every child who walks through our doors receives the treatment they deserve.”…

For what is apparently the 10,001st post on Skepchick (and my own 3,000th), it's a HAPPY STORY of how scientists have shown that Dolly Parton is substantially improving literacy rates around the world through her Imagination Library 🧪 skepchick.org/2026/02/stud…

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— Rebecca Watson (@skepchick.org) February 26, 2026 at 11:03 AM

This is what people mean when they say "this is not who we are". It's Midwestern police departments finding out even they have a limit. It's everyday suburbanites funding transport & relocation for trans women in danger. It's fighting to crush Republican supermajorities in red states this November.

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— Chatham Harrison dba TRUMP DELENDUS EST (@chathamharrison.bsky.social) February 27, 2026 at 8:17 PM

I think Trump should've named this Iran attack Operation Monkey's Paw to honor his dead hand.
Also, Monkey's Paw is the metaphor for unintended, tragic consequences — which, we all know there will be because hey we're talking about Trump

— Ragnarok Lobster (@eclecticbrotha1.bsky.social) February 28, 2026 at 4:32 PM

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One, very pathetic that they're still desperately trying to recreate the Obama situation room photo.
Two, Trump looks like he died last week and was badly preserved.

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— ArgellaStone (@argellastone.bsky.social) February 28, 2026 at 4:26 PM

Key members of Congress are demanding a swift vote on a war powers resolution that would restrain President Donald Trump’s military attack on Iran unless the administration wins their approval for what they warn is a potentially illegal campaign.

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— The Associated Press (@apnews.com) February 28, 2026 at 7:54 PM

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— Liberal Librarian, Emotional Support Cuban 📚 🌿🕓 (@liberallibrarian.bsky.social) February 28, 2026 at 11:36 AM

filming a hasty video in the dark at a golf resort while wearing a ball cap and releasing it on social media at 2AM then disappearing from view is one of those things that would make this seem like farce if there weren't a very real and mounting death toll attached to it, it's very surreal

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— GOLIKEHELLMACHINE (@golikehellmachine.com) February 28, 2026 at 1:50 PM

like, i don't think it's conspiracy, it's just how this administration does everything, utterly half-assed and ill-prepared, totally contemptuous of public opinion, subject to the whims of the elderly president and any number of scheming viziers, all of whom have different interests and goals

— GOLIKEHELLMACHINE (@golikehellmachine.com) February 28, 2026 at 1:54 PM

Stares in “The War Prayer” by Mark Twain.
youtu.be/NPgXTxJAomI?…

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— Malaclypse the Middle (@malaclypse.bsky.social) February 28, 2026 at 1:14 PM

It would be ironic if the first winner of the FIFA Peace Prize personally derailed the World Cup.

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— Patrick Chovanec (@prchovanec.bsky.social) February 28, 2026 at 8:36 PM

Max Boot is like “idk, the justification for this war looks pretty flimsy.” This is the most unsold war in the history of wars. That is like Cat Fancy calling a cat less than mid.

— Starfire’s Deranged Neocon Foreign Policy Podcast (@irhottakes.bsky.social) February 28, 2026 at 2:11 PM

Never forget who you’re fighting for.

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— SorryHat (@sorryhat.bsky.social) February 28, 2026 at 7:04 AM

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Sunday Morning Garden Chat: All Gardening Is Local

by Anne Laurie|  March 1, 20264:43 am| 25 Comments

This post is in: Garden Chats

Sunday Morning Garden Chat 169

In the midst of winter, I found there was, within me, an invincible summer.

In the midst of my interminable winter, I have summoned some invincible summer by ordering a bunch of potted irises from Schreiners’ Iris sale. (I think it was Satby who introduced me to their catalog, which is amazing, and their plants are every bit as wonderful.)

If y’all want garden pics every Sunday, you need to step up & send me photos!

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I would like to have a garden like the apartment patio the NYTimes describes here:

… Mr. de Mornay, a horticulturist at Flora Grubb Gardens nursery, has assembled a diverse plant collection and as distinctive a range of containers to showcase them in. He put several large potted palms to work to create a kind of canopy for bromeliads and orchids that appreciate relief from the sun, which the cacti and succulents arranged in the patio’s more open areas relish.

His garden may all be staged on level hardscape, but the sense of terrain Mr. de Mornay has conjured with 300 tightly packed vessels seems anything but flat, thanks to their varied heights, and clever positioning.

“The way he has some staggered at different heights kind of creates a stadium-like look,” said Ms. Woodard, who also noted details like a collection of tiny pots raised on a table for closer inspection, and others hanging on a wall…

… but IRL, I’m what one reviewer gleefully described as a cramscaper.

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On the other hand, I think I can avoid the lure of the Washington Post‘s “perennial vegetable garden”…

… “The general reason so many of these varieties have kind of been forgotten is that our food system transitioned towards industrialized agriculture,” Hunter says. Most edible perennials are harvested a little at a time, leaving roots or parts of the plant behind to continue growing. That’s difficult or impossible to do with machines, “so a lot of these perennials can’t be grown industrially,” she says. “But they’re great for backyard gardeners.”

One reason to embrace perennials: They are eco-friendly. Plants that grow over many years increase soil health and biodiversity and sequester carbon. “Just not basically nuking your garden every year is a way to get a little closer to a natural ecosystem,” says Ashley Adamant, founder of the gardening and DIY site Practical Self Reliance…

Skirret. One of Hunter’s best-selling seeds is this root vegetable that was popular in medieval Europe “before potatoes came over from the Americas,” she says. “I tell people it’s like a stand-in for carrots or parsnips, but it could also be a substitute for potatoes because it’s a starchy root vegetable.” Once the seeds are established, “they’re really easy to grow,” she adds. “They make masses of white roots that are long and skinnier than a carrot. You can eat them raw or cooked. My favorite way to eat them is just to roast them in the oven with olive oil and salt. The leaves can be eaten, too. They kind of taste a little bit like celery leaf or parsley leaf.”

Potato onion. “Regular onions are biennial; the plants live for two years,” Hunter says. Potato onion varieties, on the other hand, reproduce indefinitely if some of the crop is left in the ground to seed the next year’s growth. The name comes from the onion’s long period of freshness once it’s harvested. “They have amazing storage,” she says. “They’ll keep in the fridge for, like, a year.”…

Dandelions. “People pay a lot of money for dandelion greens in the grocery store,” Adamant says. “They grow these huge, carrot-like tap roots that get even bigger if they’re in a garden bed rather than a lawn.”

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