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Late Night Open Thread: Buyers’ Remorse, or #FAFO Made Flesh

by Anne Laurie|  November 18, 20241:12 am| 95 Comments

This post is in: Elections 2024, Open Threads, Republican Venality, Trump Crime Cartel, Schadenfreude

Look at Preacher Johnson’s smarmy grin, now that he’s *finally* allowed to hang out at the Kewl Kids’ table…

I see "Make America Healthy Again" is off to a good start. ?? pic.twitter.com/Bd9p5Ba8ZL

— John Bye (@_johnbye) November 17, 2024

You didn’t vote for a lot of things you’re going to get.

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— Patrick Chovanec (@prchovanec.bsky.social) November 15, 2024 at 3:10 PM

12 of 14 participants in this week's sessions said they were familiar with Musk's advising Trump. Of those, five said it's a bad thing, seven didn't know what to say and none would say it was good.

Focus group: Swing voters wary of Musk-Trump relationship
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— Lauren Ashley Davis (@laurenmeidasa.bsky.social) November 15, 2024 at 3:46 PM

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… What they’re saying: “He’s very good obviously at business, but I didn’t elect — I didn’t vote for him,” said Pierre D., of Las Vegas. “I don’t know what his ultimate agenda would be for having that type of access.”

* “I think it’ll favor his Tesla company, and he’ll get the majority of the breaks, and just by throwing a couple hundred million on his (Trump’s) campaign, they’re going to look the other way,” predicted George L., of Phoenix.

* “There’s nothing, in my opinion, in Elon Musk’s history that shows that he’s got the best interest of the country or its citizens in mind,” said Blair P., of Oxford, Mich.

Eight of the 14 respondents also said they were aware that Robert F. Kennedy Jr. — who Trump on Thursday tapped as health secretary — has been advising Trump in recent weeks. Of those, one thinks it’s a good thing and four think it’s a bad thing.

* The one that supported RFK Jr. said he “can’t do any worse than anybody else has ever done.”

* Others raised concerns about Kennedy’s mental fitness, his family’s own opposition to him and his controversial views on everything from water fluoridation to the use of vaccines. “A lot of his policies are rooted in gut feelings and anecdote, and not science,” said Shawnn E., of Spring Grove, Pa.

The big picture:
Most participants said they want President-elect Trump to focus on improving the economy and countering inflation when he takes the White House in January — and not to pursue retribution against his adversaries as he’s foreshadowed.

* 11 of the 14 said Trump would not be justified in seeking retribution against his political allies. Eight said they believe that Trump will go after his enemies; six think he’s exaggerating.

* “It just all sounds like we’re just going to throw our political enemies, because they lose an election, into jail,” said Jake H., of Lambertville, Mich. “I mean, it’s completely nonsense. I don’t know if there’s any other way to explain. It doesn’t follow any of our principles we’re supposed to have.”…

Oh, the Faces We’ll Eat!

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Medium Cool – Kid’s Movies & Young Adult Fiction

by WaterGirl|  November 17, 20247:00 pm| 154 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads

Medium Cool is a weekly series related to popular culture, mostly film, TV, and books, with some music and games thrown in.  We hope it’s a welcome break from the anger, hate, and idiocy we see almost daily from the other side in the political sphere.

Arguments welcomed, opinions respected, fools un-suffered.  We’re here every Sunday at 7 pm.

Tonight on Medium Cool, I thought we might talk about kid’s movies that aren’t just for kids, and YA Fiction that isn’t just for young adults.  Personally, my brain is still screaming “oh my god”, so I don’t have the mental or emotional bandwidth for my usual activates.  Assuming I’m not alone in that, it seems like it might be a good time for this topic.

If that’s not where you are, well, you might just get some great ideas for holiday gifts – and some good reads even for normal times.

I know we have some YA Fiction writers on Balloon Juice, so if you’re one of the, don’t be shy about mentioning your own books!

Note: for those new to Medium Cool, these are not open threads.

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War for Ukraine Day 998: Sumy Burns!

by Adam L Silverman|  November 17, 20246:47 pm| 21 Comments

This post is in: Foreign Affairs, Foreign Policy, Military, Open Threads, Russia, Silverman on Security, War, War in Ukraine

A painting by Ukrainian artist NEIVANMADE. The words "NEVER AGAIN" are repeated over and over, from left to right and top to bottom, in a faded, washed out black against a white background. Red, the color of blood, runs and drips down across 2/3rds of the painting. "WHILE YOU TOLERATE TYRANTS" is written/painted in the bottom white corner below the three rows of "NEVER AGAIN".

(Image by NEIVANMADE)

Three quick housekeeping notes: Rosie is doing great. We did another 8th of a mile walk this morning. She was more active on it than yesterday and decided to track something – I have no idea what – for most of the walk.

Second, Russia attacked so broadly, widely, and deeply across and into Ukraine overnight that trying to cover each location targeted and struck would make this update unreadable. After the jump, I’ve got the full list in reporting from The Kyiv Independent.

Third, the air raid alerts are going back up across Ukraine. When I started writing this update, about 6:00 PM EST/1 AM local time in Ukraine, north central and north eastern Ukraine were under air raid alert. Now, at 6:35 PM EST/1:35 AM local time in Ukraine, all of eastern Ukraine is also under air raid alert. I haven’t seen anything yet that indicates drones only or drones and missiles again.

Russia opened up on Sumy earlier this evening:

⚡️ A Russian missile strike on a residential area in Sumy killed at least 8 people, including 2 children, and injured 49.

Over 400 residents have been evacuated.

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— UNITED24 Media (@united24media.com) November 17, 2024 at 4:12 PM

From The Kyiv Independent:

Editor’s note: This is a developing story and is being updated.

On the evening of Nov. 17, a Russian ballistic missile hit Sumy, killing eight people and injuring at least 49, regional authorities reported.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky condemned the attack on Telegram.

“A rocket attack on a nine-story building in Sumy. We know about the dead and wounded, including children. My condolences to the families and friends. The criminal must be punished for killing innocent people,” he said.

The rocket also hit the yard of the building, causing extensive damage and leaving surrounding homes without windows, the city’s acting mayor, Artem Kobzar, said.

Emergency services are continuing to assist the victims, as local media report the ongoing impact of the attack.

Russian strikes against Sumy Oblast have become increasingly destructive in recent months, amid fears that Russia may launch a new attack on Sumy Oblast in the coming months.

Shelling is a daily occurrence for the communities near Ukraine’s northeastern border with Russia, with residents in the region’s vulnerable border settlements experiencing multiple attacks per day.

A mother, out for an evening walk with her child, accidentally records the moment Russian forces attack a residential area in Sumy.

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— UNITED24 Media (@united24media.com) November 17, 2024 at 4:31 PM

More on this after the jump.

⚡ Russian forces carried out one of the largest attacks on Ukraine, using 120 missiles and 90 attack drones.

Explosions were reported in Kyiv, Zaporizhzhia, Mykolaiv, Cherkasy, Ivano-Frankivsk, Lviv, Rivne, Dnipro, Kherson, Zhytomyr, Poltava, and Volyn regions

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— UNITED24 Media (@united24media.com) November 17, 2024 at 6:19 AM

Ukrainian air defense did their usual amazing job, but because Ukraine cannot secure its airspace and, until today, cannot use US made weapons or weapons made to strike deep into Russia, some Russian missiles and drones are going to get through.

Incredible work of 🇺🇦 air defenders.
They shot down 102 missiles and 42 UAVs, including:
◾️1 3M22 Zirkon missile
◾️7 Kh-47M2 Kindzhal missiles
◾️85 Kh-101/Kalibr missiles
◾️4 Kh-22/Kh-31P missiles
◾️5 Kh-59/69 guided aviation missiles
◾️42 Shahed UAVs and other drones

Thank you for the job done!

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— Defense of Ukraine (@defenceu.bsky.social) November 17, 2024 at 8:28 AM

Here is President Zelenskyy’s address from earlier today. Video below, English transcript after the jump.

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The “Dove of Peace” Sent Us Yet Another Barrage of “Kinzhal” and “Kalibr” Missiles; That’s His Diplomacy – Address by the President

17 November 2024 – 22:25

Dear Ukrainians!

Today marked one of the largest and most dangerous Russian attacks in the entire war. Two hundred and ten drones and missiles launched simultaneously – including hypersonic and aeroballistic ones. Fortunately, most of the targets were intercepted. Russia aimed for energy and critical infrastructure. And this is the answer to all those who wanted to achieve something with Putin through conversations, phone calls, hugs – appeasement. Today, this “dove of peace” sent us yet another barrage of “Kinzhal” and “Kalibr” missiles. That’s his diplomacy. His language is treachery. For nearly a thousand days now, Russia has been doing the same thing. And we must defend ourselves against it. We need to be strong. Time should be invested not in talking to someone in Moscow, but in really forcing Russia to end the war. I am grateful to all our air defense forces, the Air Force, mobile fire groups, and everyone who makes it possible for Ukraine to shoot down all this Russian evil. Once again, Patriot systems performed brilliantly today. The F16s also showed their worth intercepting missiles. Special thanks to all our partners who help us with air defense systems and missiles. This is truly a global effort. Every time such Russian strikes take place, we see how important it is that our partners do not leave Patriots and other systems in warehouses somewhere, but transfer them to exactly those people who can protect lives and need them. We still haven’t received all the systems we need from our partners. But we’re continuing to work on that. Once we have what’s needed, repelling these attacks will be even more comprehensive. Restoration work is underway in four regions. This morning, over a million households were without electricity. That number is now significantly lower. Thank you to all the repair crews. The work will continue around the clock. Unfortunately, today’s Russian attack caused injuries in the Lviv region, in Kyiv, in the Poltava, Dnipropetrovsk, Odesa, and Zaporizhzhia regions. Everyone has received the necessary assistance. Tragically, there are also fatalities. My condolences to all the families and loved ones.

We will definitely respond to the occupier. And we must withstand the pressure now. Any pressure. Any strikes. So that next year, we can achieve our goal. So that we achieve peace.

And one more thing.

The plan to strengthen Ukraine is the Victory Plan, which I presented to our partners. One of its key points is long-range capabilities for  our army. Today, there’s a lot of talk in the media about us receiving permission for respective actions. But strikes are not carried out with words. Such things are not announced. Missiles will speak for themselves. They certainly will.

Glory to Ukraine!

President Zelensky reported on his Telegram that F-16 jets were used to repel today’s mass attack against civilians in Ukraine:

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— WarTranslated (Dmitri) (@wartranslated.bsky.social) November 17, 2024 at 6:18 AM

The US:

U.S. President Joe Biden has authorized Ukraine to use U.S.-supplied long-range ATACMS missiles for strikes inside Russia, marking a significant shift in U.S. policy, the New York Times reported on Nov. 17.

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— The Kyiv Independent (@kyivindependent.com) November 17, 2024 at 1:56 PM

U.S. President Joe Biden has authorized Ukraine to use U.S.-supplied long-range ATACMS missiles for strikes inside Russia, marking a significant shift in U.S. policy, the New York Times reported on Nov. 17.

Ukraine will likely initially use the missiles against Russian and North Korean forces in Kursk Oblast but Washington could also authorize their use elsewhere, undisclosed official sources told the news outlet.

The decision comes as Russia, with the support of North Korean troops, prepares a large-scale assault on Ukrainian forces in the embattled Russian region.

While the U.S. officials do not expect this move to “change the overall course of the war”, Biden aims to help Ukraine target critical Russian and North Korean military assets and send a deterrent message to Pyongyang.

The policy change follows Biden’s previous hesitance to provide such weapons, out of concern for escalating tensions with Russia.

Proponents of the decision have long argued that this authorization would significantly enhance Ukraine’s defense capabilities, especially with Russia increasing military offensives on many fronts, and intensifying drone and missile attacks in recent months.

The talks on loosening U.S. restrictions reportedly began after Defense Minister Rustem Umerov on Aug. 30 visited Washington and presented senior officials with a list of high-value targets in Russia that Ukraine wants to hit with Army Tactical Missile Systems (ATACMS).

It is still limited use:

Here we go again

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— Kate from Kharkiv (@kateinkharkiv.bsky.social) November 17, 2024 at 3:13 PM

We are now allowed to use ATACMS to strike in Kursk.🥳Great!

Can we also strike the stupid airbases in Belgorod anytime soon?

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— Kate from Kharkiv (@kateinkharkiv.bsky.social) November 17, 2024 at 1:46 PM

This is spot on from @ioponomarenko.bsky.social Not only has the Biden administration’s ‘escalation terror’ prolonged this war, and given Putin time to mobilise, it has emboldened others like Iran & China who now perceive the U.S. & the West now have little stomach to defend the post-WW2 order.

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— Mick Ryan (@warinthefuture.bsky.social) November 17, 2024 at 4:11 PM

Permission to strike with ATACMS came as timely as it did in October 2023, when the counteroffensive was essentially over.

Don’t expect a major shift on the battlefield, as the nature of the setbacks for a Ukrainian army comes from different issues, especially if it’s limited to a Kursk only

— Tatarigami (@tatarigami.bsky.social) November 17, 2024 at 2:32 PM

Here’s Tatarigami’s full take:

Early reports suggest that Ukraine’s use of ATACMS missiles may come with specific geographic limitations.
This nuance might significantly influence the outcomes of their use. Here’s a breakdown of what we can expect, given that the information about limitations is correct🧵:

2/ As reported before by our team Frontelligence Insight, Russian forces have moved many key air assets beyond ATACMS range, leaving mainly helicopters and close-support jets at the Kursk airfield within striking distance, reducing the number of high-value targets

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One point of tension between Zelensky and the Biden admins was the issue of allowing ATACMS strikes inside Russia. Frontelligence Insight conducted geospatial analysis and spoke with former U.S. officials and experts from leading US think tanks. Summary of our report🧵:
3/ Russia has a vast network of makeshift ammo depots, command posts, rail stations, and other tactical sites in Kursk oblast. However, their sheer number far outstrips the limited missiles available to Ukraine.
4/ Ukraine faces difficulties with limited salvo sizes and significant ATACMS interception rates, reducing the odds of consistently successful strikes. Our team has detailed these dynamics in a dedicated report before, and they should be factored into expectations.
5/ ATACMS variants differ in range and warhead type: some with unitary warheads, others with submunitions. Not all can reach 300 kilometers or target fortified structures, limiting the options further
6/ Quite serious doubts remain over whether Ukraine will be allowed to target Russian oil refineries or energy infrastructure, as the U.S. has opposed similar operations before. While this remains speculative, there is a good chance that critical infrastructure might be excluded
7/ ATACMS will aid Ukraine on the battlefield without a doubt, but expectations should be tempered. Their use is unlikely to dramatically impact Russian or North Korean-linked forces in Kursk, delivering incremental tactical gains rather than immediate and decisive outcomes.
8/ The goal is not to discourage public sentiment but to set realistic expectations, to avoid future speculation about why ATACMS didn’t shift the war’s tide or destroy the Russo-Korean forces in Kursk Oblast.

And a few of my personal comments:

– I won’t believe it until I see it.

-Once again, US officials are leaking information to journalists, the premature publication of which could cause damage. (Russians will have time to prepare).

-What the hell prevented them from doing this in mid-summer 2022.

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— 🦋Special Kherson Cat🐈🇺🇦 (@specialkhersoncat.bsky.social) November 17, 2024 at 1:26 PM

You know the only thing that’s changed between last month when President Biden and his natsec team said no and today? The Democrats lost the presidential election, lost the Senate, and failed to retake the House. That’s it. Not a damn thing in Ukraine has changed. Putin actually issued a new set of red line threats. This decision demonstrates what I’ve been saying all along, there was no strategy here. No plan. Just fear and strategic malpractice. And since this is going to be limited to targets in Kursk, it’s really not much of a change at all.

Poland:

⚡ Polish and allied jets were scrambled over Polish airspace following a Russian missile attack on Ukraine, according to the Polish Armed Forces Operational Command.

💬 “The steps taken are aimed at ensuring security in the areas bordering the threatened areas.”

— UNITED24 Media (@united24media.com) November 17, 2024 at 1:28 AM

💯 Calls will not stop Putin, next weeks will be decisive – Polish PM

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— Ukrainska Pravda 🇺🇦 (@pravda.ua) November 17, 2024 at 10:24 AM

From Ukrainska Pravda:

Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk said that Russia’s latest attack against Ukraine proved the ineffectiveness of telephone diplomacy.

Source: Donald Tusk on Twitter (X), as reported by European Pravda

Details: The Prime Minister of Poland claims that telephone diplomacy will not replace the real support of Ukraine from the whole West.

Quote: “No-one will stop Putin with phone calls. The attack last night, one of the biggest in this war, has proved that telephone diplomacy cannot replace real support from the whole West for Ukraine.

The next weeks will be decisive, not only for the war itself, but also for our future,” Tusk said.

On the night of 16-17 November, Russian forces launched a combined missile and drone attack on Ukraine’s energy sector facilities with 210 missiles and UAVs on the night of 16-17 November. Ukrainian air defence units have destroyed 144 of them.

Moldovan President Maia Sandu also strongly condemned Russia’s latest large-scale attack on Ukrainian energy infrastructure.

Ukraine’s Foreign Minister Andrii Sybiha stressed that Russia’s latest large-scale missile attack on Ukraine is war criminal Vladimir Putin’s response to those who have called or visited him recently.

On the afternoon of 15 November, it was reported that Scholz had spoken to Kremlin leader Vladimir Putin for the first time in two years. President Volodymyr Zelenskyy labelled the call a “Pandora’s box”.

Moldova:

Deputy Prime Minister of Moldova, Mihail Popșoi, states that Russian missiles and drones violated Moldova airspace during today’s massive missile attack on Ukraine.

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— 🦋Special Kherson Cat🐈🇺🇦 (@specialkhersoncat.bsky.social) November 17, 2024 at 1:00 PM

/2. Also earlier today a video appeared which claims to show Russian cruise missiles flying over Moldova

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— 🦋Special Kherson Cat🐈🇺🇦 (@specialkhersoncat.bsky.social) November 17, 2024 at 1:01 PM

I’ve written it here before and I’m sure I’m going to have to write it here again: Putin follows Lenin’s (perhaps apocryphal) adage: “Probe with bayonets. Where you find mush, advance. Where you find steel, withdraw.”

As I & others have been trying to tell Western officials & political leaders for years, Putin is provoked by weakness, not strength. Scholz’s phone call to Putin & his refusal to let Ukraine have Taurus & Trump’s criticism of Zelenskyy for not ceding territory all show weakness.

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— Ian Bond (@cerianbond.bsky.social) November 17, 2024 at 4:12 AM

Here’s Russia’s butcher’s bill from last night/this morning:

Russia launched a large-scale missile and drone attack on Ukraine overnight on Nov. 17; Russia recently began producing thermobaric drones to be used alongside decoy drones in Ukraine; and more.

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— The Kyiv Independent (@kyivindependent.com) November 17, 2024 at 2:15 PM

/2. According to preliminary data Russians used — 120 missiles and 90 UAVs. 210 in total.

By types:
– 1 3M22 “Zircon”;
– 8 Kh-47M2 “Kinzhal”;
– 101 Kh-101 Kalibr;
– 1 “Iskander-M”;
– 4 Kh-22/Kh-31P;
– 5 Kh-59/Kh-69;
– 90 kamikaze drones.

— 🦋Special Kherson Cat🐈🇺🇦 (@specialkhersoncat.bsky.social) November 17, 2024 at 5:37 AM

/3. Preliminary 144 air targets — 102 missiles and 42 UAVs were shot down:

– 1 M22 “Zircon”;
– 7 Kh-47M2 “Kinzhal”;
– 85 Kh-101 Kalibr
– 4 Kh-22/Kh-31P;
– 5 Kh-59/69;
– 42 attack drones/drones of unknown type

— 🦋Special Kherson Cat🐈🇺🇦 (@specialkhersoncat.bsky.social) November 17, 2024 at 5:38 AM

From The Kyiv Independent:

Russia launched a large-scale missile and drone attack on Ukraine overnight on Nov. 17, leaving at least seven civilians dead and at least 19 injured across multiple regions.

Multiple loud explosions were reported in the capital, Kyiv, between 6:30 and 7:15 a.m. local time, according to a Kyiv Independent journalist on the ground.

Russia’s latest barrage of missile strikes marks the first mass missile attack on Kyiv in over 2 months, with Russia instead utilizing more frequent drone strikes in recent months to attack the capital.

Further explosions were also heard in the cities of Kropyvnytskyi, Rivne, Ivano-Frankivsk, Cherkasy, Dnipro, Vinnytsia, Kryvyi Rih, Odesa, Zaporizhzhia, as well as in the Khmelnytskyi and Volyn oblasts.

Russia targeted “power generation and transmission facilities throughout Ukraine,” according to Energy Minister Herman Halushchenko.

“The transmission system operator has urgently introduced emergency shutdowns,” Halushchenko said. Officials have been warning that Russia may resume strikes on the energy grid as temperatures drop, mirroring the strategy used in the spring and summer of this year and in the autumn-winter season of 2022-2023.

Kyiv Mayor Vitalii Klitschko said that as a result of falling drone debris, an apartment on the fourth floor of a five-story residential building caught fire in the Pechersk neighborhood of the city. One person was hospitalized as a result of the attack, while one other person received medical treatment on-site.

Debris was also reported in the Holosiivskyi and Dniprovskyi districts of the capital, according to the Kyiv City Military Administration.

Several residential and commercial buildings, a club building, and a library were damaged in the capital.

A 45-year-old woman was injured in Kyiv Oblast, suffering a head wound, Governor Ruslan Kravchenko reported. Fallen debris damaged industrial facilities, 21 houses, and other buildings across the region.

In addition to the attack on Kyiv, at least two people were killed and seven injured, including two children, in the city of Mykolaiv amid Russia’s mass drone and missile attack, regional governor Vitalii Kim reported.

In the city of Dnipro, a 42-year-old man suffered shrapnel wounds as a result of the attack. High-rise buildings, an educational institution, and a car were damaged, Governor Serhii Lysak reported.

Russia also struck a railway depot in Dnipropetrovsk Oblast, killing two railway workers and injuring three, Ukrainian Railways (Ukrzaliznytsia) said on its Telegram channel. It is not immediately clear whether the number of injured includes the 42-year-old man reported previously by the governor.

Critical infrastructure facilities were hit in the Vinnytsia, Odesa, and Volyn oblasts, leading to power outages and emergency shutdowns, regional authorities said. Odesa also faced problems with the water supply.

Infrastructure facilities were also targeted in Zaporizhzhia Oblast. Two people were reported injured in the regional center, the city of Zaporizhzhia. A 59-year-old man was hospitalized, and an 18-year-old man received medical assistance on the spot, Governor Ivan Fedorov said.

In Lviv Oblast, 12 garages caught fire due to fallen missile debris. A 66-year-old woman was killed in her car by the debris in the Sheptytskyi (formerly Chervonohrad) district, Governor Maksym Kozytskyi reported. Two more people were injured.

Two people were killed, and a 17-year-old boy was injured in Odesa Oblast, Governor Oleh Kiper reported. One civilian was reportedly hospitalized with serious injuries in Poltava Oblast.

An outbuilding and a house were damaged in Zhytomyr Oblast. Regional authorities also reported that a critical infrastructure site was damaged in Rivne Oblast, and a house was damaged by fallen debris in Ivano-Frankivsk Oblast.

“Cruise, ballistic, and air-launched ballistic missiles, Zirkons, Iskanders, Kinzhals. In total, around 120 missiles and 90 drones (were launched by Russia),” President Volodymyr Zelensky said following the attack.

This makes it one of the most massive strikes launched at Ukraine throughout the full-scale war.

“Our air defenses destroyed more than 140 aerial targets… We are grateful to our air defense forces involved in the attack, our aviation – F-16, Sukhoi, and MiG pilots – mobile fire groups, electronic warfare units, everybody worked in an organized manner,” Zelensky said.

In response to the mass attack, the Operational Command of the Polish Armed Forces scrambled fighter jets to protect the country’s own airspace. “Ground-based air defense and radar reconnaissance systems have reached the highest state of readiness,” the Operational Command added.

Ukraine’s Air Force issued air raid alerts across all regions of the country around 6 a.m. local time, warning of the attack. The alert ended in much of Ukraine at around 9:30 a.m.

Ukraine’s Air Force reported earlier in the night that Tu-95 strategic bombers took off from the Russian airfields of Olenya in Murmansk Oblast. Later in the night, the War Monitor Telegram channel reported that a total of 17 Tu-95 strategic bombers were in flight, with seven taking off at the Engels airbase in Saratov Oblast.

In recent months, Russia has primarily focused on large-scale drone attacks to overwhelm Ukrainian air defenses in cities across the country. The Ukrainian Air Force previously said that Russia launched at least 4,300 Shahed-type attack drones and similar UAVs imitating Shaheds against Ukraine between August and October 2024.

While missile attacks are a common occurrence in Ukraine’s eastern oblasts, most Ukrainian cities, including Kyiv, have largely been spared from large-scale Russian missile attacks on infrastructure in recent months — with the last large-scale missile attack occurring in late August.

Witness several Russian missiles flying one after another to strike Ukrainian civilian infrastructure.

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— UNITED24 Media (@united24media.com) November 17, 2024 at 12:59 PM

Ukrainian air defense at work:

⚡ Soldier Natalia Hrabarchuk destroyed a Russian missile with an Igla MANPADS during a massive Russian attack today.

Remarkably, this was her first combat launch, and it resulted in a direct hit. Before joining the military, Natalia worked as a kindergarten teacher.

📹: The Air Force of the AFU

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— UNITED24 Media (@united24media.com) November 17, 2024 at 6:43 AM

From Ukrainska Pravda:

During a large-scale Russian attack on 17 November, Ukrainian soldier Nataliia Hrabarchuk downed a Russian cruise missile on her first attempt, using a 9K38 Igla portable anti-aircraft missile system. This was her first combat launch, and it proved successful.

Source: Ukraine’s Air Force on Facebook

Details: Until 2021, Nataliia Hrabarchuk worked as a teacher in a preschool educational institution, but she changed her profession and joined the Armed Forces.

Now she serves as an anti-aircraft gunner of the missile unit of the 1st Halychyna and Volhynia Radio Technical Brigade of the Air Command Zakhid (West).

Ukraine’s Air Force shared a video in which Nataliia makes a launch, which destroys a potential threat to Ukrainian cities.

“Natasha, got it!”, one of her comrades-in-arms  exclaims joyfully in the background.

At this moment, the serviceman gets down on her knees and covers her face with her hands in awe.

“When the enemy missile was in front of me, I suppressed my emotions and exhilaration. I conducted hundreds of training launches on simulators. And here it is: the first combat launch, on target!”, Natalia shared her impression.

The woman noted that MANPADS were hefty not only in weight (18 kilogrammes), but also in responsibility. As a result, the defender displayed genuine happiness at her first accomplishment.

“I am overjoyed that I succeeded. After combat, I let out some of my feelings. Our mobile fire department involves female service members. We offer everything we’ve got to get the job done,” she said.

Sumy:

A 9-year-old boy and a 14-year-old girl were among those killed in a russian missile strike on Sumy tonight.

9 and 14‼️

The Sumy Regional Military Administration has reported 52 injured and 10 dead so far.

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— Kate from Kharkiv (@kateinkharkiv.bsky.social) November 17, 2024 at 4:50 PM

Russians have just launched a missile strike on a multi-story residential building in Sumy. At the moment, 8 people are known to have been killed, including children, and 10 wounded.

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— 🦋Special Kherson Cat🐈🇺🇦 (@specialkhersoncat.bsky.social) November 17, 2024 at 3:34 PM

/2. In Sumy, 49 people were injured, 8 killed, including two children, more than 400 people were evacuated

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— 🦋Special Kherson Cat🐈🇺🇦 (@specialkhersoncat.bsky.social) November 17, 2024 at 4:04 PM

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— WarTranslated (Dmitri) (@wartranslated.bsky.social) November 17, 2024 at 4:24 PM

Odesa:

Five Kalibr cruise missiles over the sky of Odesa during today’s mass strike by Russian armed formations. The noise brings you back to Feb 2022.

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— WarTranslated (Dmitri) (@wartranslated.bsky.social) November 17, 2024 at 4:41 AM

The State Emergency Service has published photographs of the aftermath of the Russian attack on the Odesa region.

Fires erupted in three private homes, and four other houses were partially destroyed.

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— UNITED24 Media (@united24media.com) November 17, 2024 at 7:39 AM

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— UNITED24 Media (@united24media.com) November 17, 2024 at 7:39 AM

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— UNITED24 Media (@united24media.com) November 17, 2024 at 7:39 AM

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— UNITED24 Media (@united24media.com) November 17, 2024 at 7:39 AM

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— UNITED24 Media (@united24media.com) November 17, 2024 at 7:39 AM

Kyiv:

Detailed photos in high resolution of a Russian 3M22 Zirkon missile debris which hit residential building in Kyiv today.
t.me/dsns_telegra…

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— 🦋Special Kherson Cat🐈🇺🇦 (@specialkhersoncat.bsky.social) November 17, 2024 at 7:18 AM

Kherson:

#Kherson

Today, in addition to a mass missile strike on Ukraine, #Russians hit Kherson with multiple drone strikes and artillery attacks. 3 reported killed, multiple injured; exact numbers later.

I went to report on the artillery shelling and had to hide from drones downtown.

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— Zarina Zabrisky (@zarinazabrisky.bsky.social) November 17, 2024 at 1:27 PM

#Kherson region, #Ukraine

Yesterday:
💔7 injured
🔴13 settlements attacked
🔴1 critical infrastructure object
🔴1 educational institution, 1
high-rise
🔴1 private houses damaged

Today, drones

💔1 killed
💔At least 2 injured

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— Zarina Zabrisky (@zarinazabrisky.bsky.social) November 17, 2024 at 9:42 AM

Rivne:

At dawn, 120 russian missiles and 80 drones rained down on Ukraine, targeting not for victory but for deprivation – aiming to plunge the nation into darkness and cold. In Rivne, video captured three missile strikes on critical infrastructure.

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— Iryna Voichuk (@irynavoichuk.bsky.social) November 17, 2024 at 5:23 AM

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Watch the Disinformation

by @heymistermix.com|  November 17, 20245:31 pm| 93 Comments

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I was in the city and on the train while reading and responding to comments in the last post, but I’d like to remind people to source what they’re posting, lest we fall into disinformation traps.

First,  the person who posted about some reddit thread saying that AOC had removed her pronouns from her socials clearly didn’t check her Instagram (her main social feed) before posting, because here’s what it looked like two minutes ago:

Watch the Disinformation

Second, I’m tired of people doing both sides with unnamed leftists on your social feeds.  I see this a fair amount, especially from a couple of you.  If someone from “the left” has posted something you don’t like, let us know who it is.  Is it some random reply guy?  Or is it someone who gets platformed by the New York Times, or some other prestige publication.  You can always nutpick trolls, and that proves nothing of value.  For example, the general point that the legacy media has been platforming Democratic consultants and insiders who have a major vested interest in moving the party to the right is not countermanded by “but look at what Rando Leftist McWhiteguy posted on the socials.”   It also ignores the fact that the Dems who sabotaged some of Joe Biden’s agenda were not from the left wing of the party, they were centrists (Manchin, Sinema, Gottheimer (attempted), etc.). “The left” who are actual human beings, not reply guys or trolls, were solidly behind Biden in Congress.

As for what Bernie Sanders himself said after the election, more on that to come, but as far as him being a “traitor,”  he held his tongue until after the election, after being a solid surrogate for Biden and then Harris.

Finally, on election results:  they aren’t all in yet.  As the results filter in, the popular vote margin between Harris and Trump is tightening.  Citing the popular vote difference from election night doesn’t strengthen anyone’s argument, and it’s premature.  We have days, at a minimum, and probably weeks until we get final results, but the trend is looking like Trump will not get a majority of the popular vote (though he will probably get more votes than Harris).

So, to summarize:  check what you cite before you cite it, don’t use some amorphous blob as a stand in for actual human beings who we can check out, and all the election results aren’t in.

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All The Way Down (Open Thread)

by Betty Cracker|  November 17, 20242:55 pm| 114 Comments

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Floods reconfigure landscapes and rearrange vegetation. One happy consequence of our recent deluge was that it placed a log just off our lagoon that is ideal for turtle basking.

Two turtles on a log

I’ve seen as many as four on the log at a time. It’s a challenge to get pics though because I have to put on wellies and wade out to the deck. Pete follows me (Badger is smart enough to stay on dry land), so then he has to be toweled down. Maybe I should get him some wellies.

Here’s a closer look at the freshwater sliders:

Close-up of two turtles

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Snapping Right Into Line

by @heymistermix.com|  November 17, 202412:48 pm| 168 Comments

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The New York Times is sane washing RFK Jr.  Here’s Jeff Tiedrich on that topic, as well as Scott Lemieux and Paul Campos at LGM.

The Times is also lending its platforms to Democratic strategists, like Adam Jentlesen, to tell us that the only way to win in the future is to tack even more right, and also that Harris didn’t.  So I guess we were just imagining all those appearances with Liz Cheney.  Here’s Steve M on that nonsense.

If the Times was ever “liberal”, their anti-trans op-eds, tolerance of vaxx “skepticism”, and fawning coverage of the happenings at Trump palace should have set us straight years ago.

I thought this was a good point from Jamelle Bouie:

Snapping Right Into Line

The context is that Bluesky’s block feature basically shuts down the whole Twitter culture where people drag and harass in the replies.  Bluesky posters just block and move on, and that bothers people who think they have the inalienable right to be assholes.

Anyway, the Times is in a NY/DC bubble where consequences are for the little people, and major Trump administration appointments that could wreak havoc on the country for a long time to come, such as the RFK Jr appointment, need to be seen through a prism of “well, this guy who has bonkers opinions comes from a rich, important family, so we must treat his views somewhat seriously, even though he’s obviously nuts.”  I mean, shit, do they even remember the portable morgues outside the hospitals in 2020?  You’d think they’d be just a little bit afraid that they might feel a consequence or two.

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Sunday Morning Open Thread: Stages

by Anne Laurie|  November 17, 20248:50 am| 305 Comments

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New @CookPolitical: Trump has fallen below 50% of the popular vote. With 152.7M votes counted, he leads Harris 49.99%-48.22%. https://t.co/TOY7uUr6HL pic.twitter.com/ovso9aqbue

— Dave Wasserman (@Redistrict) November 16, 2024

This really should be read in full & I encourage you to click over. Mr. Charles P. Pierce, at Esquire — “Bipartisanship Is Dead As Lincoln”:

… [N]o book has been used and abused for cheap political purposes more than Doris Kearns Goodwin’s Team Of Rivals, her examination of the inner dynamics of the Lincoln Cabinet during the Civil War. In brief, the book is a detailed examination of how Lincoln managed an executive branch made up of his erstwhile political opponents – William Seward, Salmon Chase – by adhering to a rule later explicated by another president, Lyndon Johnson, that it’s better to have them inside the tent, pissing out, than having them outside the tent, pissing in.

In the years since the book was published, its entire message has been diluted down to a pale appeal for bipartisanship, especially when there is a Democratic president. Barack Obama kept Iran-Contra-adjacent Republican hire Robert Gates on as Secretary of Defense, and that worked out. He nominated Republican Senator Chuck Hagel to the post in his second term, and all hell broke loose in the confirmation process. What followed was Trump I, when, suddenly, Team Of Rivals (™) didn’t matter anymore, and we got Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin, who forgot $100 million in real estate assets when he filled out his financial disclosure paperwork, and Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, who didn’t know the difference between proficiency and growth, a concept my father explained to me when I was 11 years old, but who supported arming teachers because of the dangers posed by “grizzlies” out west. And, against all possible odds, Trump II has assembled an even less qualified pack of bastards this time around. No talk of Team Of Rivals (™) this time around, unless you count Tulsi Gabbard and RFK, Jr., which I don’t and neither should you.

In reality, Goodwin supplies the most eloquent rebuttal to the glib misuse of her work in that same book.

“This, then, is a story of Lincoln’s political genius revealed through his extraordinary array of personal qualities that enabled him to form friendships with men who had previously opposed him; to repair injured feelings that, left untended, might have escalated into permanent hostility; to assume responsibility for the failures of subordinates; to share credit with ease; and to learn from mistakes. He possessed an acute understanding of the sources of power inherent in the presidency, an unparalleled ability to keep his governing coalition intact, a tough-minded appreciation of the need to protect his presidential prerogatives, and a masterful sense of timing.”

In short, to make the whole Team Of Rivals (™) work, you have to have an Abraham Lincoln to run the damn thing. And, in case you haven’t noticed, those are in pretty short supply in the days since John Wilkes Booth did more damage to national politics than any other actor until the election of Ronald Reagan…

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Besides the necessity of having a Lincoln—or someone very much like him—to make it work, the other element of the Team Of Rivals (™) that’s worth noting is that Lincoln’s most formidable rivals on his team were all also Republicans. Seward, Welles, Stanton, Chase, and even Republican-come-lately Montgomery Blair were all Republicans. Hell, Seward was the most prominent national politician to join the new party when it was formed and his opposition to slavery was sufficiently eloquent and sufficiently passionate that Southern newspapers suggested that Seward could use a lesson similarly dealt out to Senator Charles Sumner by Rep. Preston Brooks.

The point is that the Team Of Rivals (™) is not an example of bipartisanship. The Democratic Party at the time was the party of secession, disunion, and slavery. Lincoln was not stupid. There was not a Democrat worth considering for a seat in his Cabinet. And that is where recent Democratic presidents have failed.

The modern Republican party is the party of grifters, lunatics, and authoritarianism, as well as being the modern party of secession, disunion and bigotry. This has been the case since the GOP acquired the prion disease when Reagan fed it the monkey brains in 1981. It is now in a prolonged end stage. The Democrats of Lincoln’s time were false to the Constitution, but they were formidable politicians. The Republicans of today are angry lightweights pitching to a nation gone apathetic everywhere except at the extremes. Which, of course, will be controlling all four major constitutional institutions for at least the next four years…

 

This thread has a fundamental flaw: Democrats are different from Republicans.

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— The Fig Economy (@figgityfigs.bsky.social) November 15, 2024 at 10:51 AM

The parties have different bases that operate differently, want different things, tolerate or celebrate different things. “Why can’t democrats just do what republicans did?” is a question that should answer itself.

— The Fig Economy (@figgityfigs.bsky.social) November 15, 2024 at 10:52 AM

Democrats rely on votes from people who specifically oppose the type of stuff that republicans celebrate. I don’t understand why people pretend not to get this.

— The Fig Economy (@figgityfigs.bsky.social) November 15, 2024 at 10:53 AM


 
Then again, there’s the Run away! run away! (non)solution…

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— The Associated Press (@AP) November 17, 2024

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