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Monday Morning Open Thread: Looking to Be Another Long Week

by Anne Laurie|  June 17, 20246:43 am| 211 Comments

This post is in: Elections 2024, How about that weather?, Open Threads, Proud to Be A Democrat

Severe weather forecast around US with high Southwest temperatures, Gulf rain and Rockies snow https://t.co/s25tI9WHgA

— The Associated Press (@AP) June 17, 2024


There will be endless reasons to be cranky, so let’s be aware that we’re all in this together.

(Nota bene: Yglesias sarcasm alert)

Libs hate this patriotic ad

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— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) June 16, 2024

Also of note:

Both candidates have accepted the network’s invitation and agreed to accept the rules and format of the debate. https://t.co/OweZr9GikL

— KVOA News 4 Tucson (@KVOA) June 15, 2024

Because we no longer have the concept of ‘summer vacation’, some reminders that the first 2024 presidential debate is just ten days away. Per CNN, “Biden and Trump campaigns agreed to mic muting, podiums among rules for upcoming CNN debate”:

… The debate, which will be hosted by CNN’s Jake Tapper and Dana Bash in Atlanta on June 27, will mark the first in-person showdown of the 2024 campaign between President Joe Biden and his predecessor, former President Donald Trump. Both candidates have accepted the network’s invitation and agreed to accept the rules and format of the debate, as outlined in letters sent to the campaigns by the network in May.

The 90-minute debate will include two commercial breaks, according to the network, and campaign staff may not interact with their candidate during that time.

Both candidates agreed to appear at a uniform podium, and their podium positions will be determined by a coin flip.

Microphones will be muted throughout the debate except for the candidate whose turn it is to speak. While no props or pre-written notes will be allowed on the stage, candidates will be given a pen, a pad of paper and a bottle of water.

Some aspects of the debate – including the absence of a studio audience – will be a departure from previous debates. But, as in the past, the moderators “will use all tools at their disposal to enforce timing and ensure a civilized discussion,” according to the network…

(No mention of a shock collar for TFG, but who knows what his handlers are thinking?)

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Anyway, if you read the whole thing, apparently Our Very Serious Media has not given up on their dream of boosting RFK Jr (though probably not Jill Stein or Cornel West) onto the debate stage. So ‘silly season’ remains a viable concept!

NYMag has some more on “All the Details on Trump & Biden’s Weirdly Early 2024 Debate”:

… Where can I watch the debate?

The 90-minute debate will air on various CNN properties, and be simulcast on other networks that have yet to be announced. Per the CNN press release:

The CNN Presidential Debate will air live on CNN, CNN International, CNN en Español, CNN Max and stream without a cable login on CNN.com. CNN will make the debate available to simulcast on additional broadcast and cable news networks in the United States.

Why is the debate so early this year?

All previous televised presidential debates took place in late September or October. But the Biden team wanted to remind tuned-out Americans that there’s a presidential election this year, and that it could put Trump back in the White House. Per the New York Times:

The move was meant to jolt Americans to attention sooner than later about their consequential choice in 2024. Mr. Biden’s advisers have long believed that the dawning realization of a Trump-Biden rematch will be a balm for the president’s droopy approval ratings.

The earlier date also gives the two elderly, gaffe-prone candidates more time to recover from any debate missteps…

Finally, in case anyone needs a little mood-booster after that…

Good week for Biden/Dems:
– 5 polls showing Biden gaining 2 or more
– Big jobs report, inflation was zero in May
– European right underperforms, like MAGA here
– Trump babbles in front of CEOs
– Make June count!
All this, good new pods and more ??https://t.co/naQKQZkcRo

— Simon Rosenberg (@SimonWDC) June 16, 2024

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Sunday Evening Wind-Down Open Thread: Rep. Clyburn Does Not Have Time for This… Nonsense

by Anne Laurie|  June 16, 20248:45 pm| 102 Comments

This post is in: Elections 2024, Open Threads, Proud to Be A Democrat

The best thing that happened for me when the GOP gerrymandered our state, is that I was moved into the sixth district that is represented by #JimClyburn. The Man Who Saved Biden’s 2020 Campaign Lets Loose – POLITICO https://t.co/1tN34uHCyS

— Anita Nelam Adams (@AnitaNelam) June 16, 2024

Figured I’d share this, since the twitter MAGAts are triggered by it. The Politico podcaster does his best, but Jim Clyburn does not take bait from fools — “The Man Who Saved Biden’s 2020 Campaign Lets Loose”:

Rep. Jim Clyburn doesn’t believe the polls.

Despite a growing list of surveys that show Donald Trump gaining with Black voters, the longtime South Carolina Democrat and co-chair of President Joe Biden’s reelection campaign, dismissed suggestions Democrats should be concerned.

“Something is amiss with the polling,” he said in an interview with the Playbook Deep Dive podcast. “Anybody who believes that Donald Trump will get 30 percent of the Black male vote or 12 percent of the Black female vote — I got a bridge down there on Johns Island I’ll sell you.”…

Let’s start with Donald Trump’s return to the Hill for the first time since Jan. 6. How did that feel?

Well, his being here prevented me from getting into my garage on time this morning. So that’s the story of my life — being disrupted by Donald Trump. But, other than that, I don’t feel anything…

Let’s talk about the South Carolina presidential primary. One of the great disappointments of there not being an open race on the Democratic side is we didn’t get a Clyburn fish fry this year. But the South Carolina primary was first. Remind us how that came about.

It came about because Joe Biden wanted South Carolina to be first.

But the fact of the matter is, I never asked for South Carolina to be first in the nation. I’ve always asked for South Carolina to be first in the South, and we were first in the South for years. And I jokingly said — I’m half-joking when I say this — I was a baseball player growing up, a pretty good baseball player, and I knew that the most important batter in the lineup is the fourth-place batter. The fourth-place batter is called the cleanup hitter. South Carolina was in fourth place. And I wanted to stay in fourth place…

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Can you help us understand the decision, as you understand it, that Joe Biden made to run for reelection rather than retiring, and letting a primary happen to see who runs against Trump?

I don’t know if you know this or not, but I’m sure you remember in 2020, privately, he did tell some people that he was only going to serve one term. His aides actually debated among themselves whether to make that a public pledge. They decided not to. And obviously he decided not to only serve once.

What do you think went into that decision? And did he talk to you about it in the run up to it?

No. All of what you just said is news to me. I didn’t know anything about what you just said. I do know that when he asked me my opinion, I said to him that I thought he should run. He didn’t tell me that he was thinking about one term. He did say in my presence and campaign more than once using the term “transitional,” that he was going to be a transitional president.

And sometimes he would talk about being a “bridge” back in 2020.

That’s right.

The bridge got a little longer though.

Absolutely. It doesn’t have to be a short bridge. It can be a long bridge. It doesn’t have to be a four-year transition, it can be an eight-year transition. And that’s what I said to him. I said, “Well let’s make this transition an eight-year transition.” Because we had to transition. We are transitioning…

So at the end of the day, this was the best way to go?

I think he was the best in 2020, and I think he is best today…

Do you buy this distinction between the upper-tier Midwest states versus the Sunbelt? And that Biden’s fortunes are a little more promising in the Midwest?

That may be true. I have not spent a whole lot of time on that. I’ve been spending time on Pennsylvania, Michigan, I’m getting ready to go to Wisconsin real soon. I really think that if we hold Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan, we’ll be fine.

I have not done the numbers to see exactly what states will make up the required number of electoral votes. But I wouldn’t give up on North Carolina or Georgia, whatever the numbers are showing. Because I think the other side is not putting together a campaign to win. They’re trying to muddy the waters, suppress the vote, depress turnout on our side because I don’t think they can grow their numbers…

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War for Ukraine Day 844: The Second Day of the Global Peace Summit

by Adam L Silverman|  June 16, 20247:02 pm| 48 Comments

This post is in: Foreign Affairs, Foreign Policy, Military, Open Threads, Russia, Silverman on Security, War, War in Ukraine

Painting by NEIVANMADE. It has a white background an in the center are Soldiers in green doing air defense by firing at incoming Russian missiles in the upper right. The missiles are red and yellow. In the upper left, written in green, is the text: "SAVE THE BRAVEST PEOPLE IN THE WORLD!" Below the Soldiers, also written in green, is "SUPPORT FOR KHARKIV"

(Image by NEIVANMADE)

Two quick housekeeping notes. First, Rosie is doing fine. Her next chemo treatment is tomorrow, which will be treatment three of round two. Thank you all for the good thoughts, well wishes, prayers, and donation.

Second, from now on I will only comment in my own update posts. This way we can avoid a repeat of last night and this morning. Everyone is, of course, welcome to comment here regarding the war in Ukraine or related matters or anything else as I do make them open threads.

The Russians have gone back to the aerial glide bombing of Kharkiv:

Explosion reported in Kharkiv! Right now, the city is under russian glide bomb attack!

— Iryna Voichuk (@IrynaVoichuk) June 16, 2024

And it is the only region of Ukraine that is currently under air raid alert.

President Zelenskyy addressed the second plenary session of the Global Peace Summit today. Video below, English transcript after the jump.

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Address by the President of Ukraine at the Second Plenary Session of the Global Peace Summit

16 June 2024 – 16:21

Ladies and gentlemen!

Today the world sees that real diplomacy is not just about words, it is about steps – steps that need to be taken to fix a situation.

We have begun to develop such steps, and this is the practical meaning of the Peace Summit.

So, the format of the Summit is absolutely working, and I thank you all for that.

Dear colleagues!

All those present!

Now we see that we all made the right choice – the choice of two security and one humanitarian points to start moving towards the restoration of full security and a just peace. The panel on radiation and nuclear safety, the panel on food security and the humanitarian panel dedicated to the release of prisoners and deportees, including thousands of children abducted by Russia from the occupied territory of Ukraine – this dialogue has taken place, and it is obvious that it can result in absolutely practical steps.

We are all worldwide equally interested to ensure that there is no danger to nuclear power plants and other nuclear facilities. I am grateful to the participants of the Peace Summit for fully understanding this and recognizing the need to restore full security to the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, which was captured by Russian troops and turned into a foothold for war. I would also like to thank every leader and every country that supports our efforts to secure maritime navigation and preserve the free flow of food. I want to emphasize that food security is critical not only for the countries of the Global South, but literally for every country in the world, because it determines the price of life, and any catastrophic disruption of the food market is a direct path to chaos. Unfortunately, Russia has too often tried to push the world down this road to destabilization and chaos, and so now we all need to unite as much as possible to guarantee every family in the world, every person the right to food and protection from price chaos. And the third point – I am especially grateful for this – there was a panel on the release of people who are now in Russian captivity. We are talking about a significant number of people, and we must bring each and every one of them home. Civilian hostages of Russia, children who were kidnapped from our land and scattered across the territory of Russia, and of course warriors. Every day in captivity is terrible, and we have to free thousands of people who have had years of their lives taken away, who are being tortured, who are being lied to – who are told that no one is waiting for them… Imagine what a personal catastrophe this is for each such person, for each such child in captivity. We have to free them. All of them.

So, President Pavel and all the participants of the panel on nuclear safety – thank you. President Ruto and all the panelists on food security – thank you. Prime Minister Trudeau and all the participants of the humanitarian panel on the release of people from captivity – thank you all.

I hope that we can achieve results as soon as possible.

And it is exactly these and other similar practical steps to restore security and peace that will prove to everyone in the world that the UN Charter can be restored to full effectiveness – all the principles and purposes of the UN Charter.

Thank you very much!

Glory to Ukraine!

And here is his statement to the media. Video followed by English transcript.

Statement by President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelenskyy During a Meeting with Media Representatives Following the Global Peace Summit

16 June 2024 – 16:26

Madame President of Switzerland!

Mr. President of Chile!

Madame President of the European Commission!

Mr. Prime Minister of Canada!

Mr. President of Ghana!

And everyone who really wants the war to end.

I thank all the participants of the First Peace Summit for taking the first steps towards peace together.

We are responding to Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine not only with a full-scale defense of human life, but also with full-scale diplomacy. These days united one hundred and one countries and international organizations, – big success for Ukraine and for all partners, – and our fair objective is to get all countries of the world to join this noble cause.

Previous political generations have left us the UN Charter as a basis for the cooperation of peoples. We will pass to the next generations an effective mechanism to implement the UN Charter. And the communiqué adopted at the Summit these days fully reflects our intention, and remains open for accession by everyone who respects the UN Charter.

It’s important that all participants of the Summit supported Ukraine’s territorial integrity because there will be no lasting peace without territorial integrity.

The three challenges have been analyzed in detail at the First Peace Summit – nuclear safety, food security and the release of prisoners and deportees, including thousands of children abducted by Russia. And now, after the Summit, we proposed and agreed to continue our joint work at a more technical level – at the level of advisers and ministers in the format of special meetings under the leadership or co-leadership of countries. Each step toward a just peace has attracted the attention of certain groups of Summit participants and countries that have not yet joined but are interested in peace. And we agreed to start to work in special after-Summit-groups on specific ideas, proposals, and developments that can restore security in various aspects. Exactly as it worked at the level of advisors during the preparation of the First Peace Summit. We already have preliminary agreements with countries such as France, Czechia, Türkiye, Kenya, Saudi Arabia, the United States, Norway, Poland, Canada, Qatar, Chile, Ghana, Finland, the Netherlands, Germany, the United Kingdom – to host the work of the groups, to lead and co-lead. And we invite all countries that recognize the binding nature of the UN Charter as the basis for the cooperation of nations to participate in groups and express their ideas and proposals. I am confident that together we will ensure the result. The First and Second Peace Summits should unite our joint work on the details of peace. We are at war, and we don’t have time for prolonged work – moving to peace means acting fast, preparations will take months not years.

So, when the action plans for peace are ready, and when every step is worked out, the path will be opened for the Second Peace Summit, and thus for ending this war – for a just and lasting peace. We already have countries who indicated their interest to host the Second Peace Summit, and we started talks with them. I am confident that the choice will have truly global significance.

And I am grateful for everyone who helps.

Thank you so much!

Слава Україні!

The second Peace Summit will be held in months, not years, — Volodymyr Zelenskyy.

Main points of the joint communiqué of the Peace Summit:

▪️ Ukrainian NPPs and facilities, including Zaporizhzhia NPP, must be operated safely and securely under the full sovereign control of… https://t.co/pNTKSRtaVL pic.twitter.com/U5WQ2bC35F

— Anton Gerashchenko (@Gerashchenko_en) June 16, 2024

The second Peace Summit will be held in months, not years, — Volodymyr Zelenskyy.

Main points of the joint communiqué of the Peace Summit:

▪️ Ukrainian NPPs and facilities, including Zaporizhzhia NPP, must be operated safely and securely under the full sovereign control of Ukraine, in compliance with the IAEA principles and under its supervision. Any threat or use of nuclear weapons in the context of war in Ukraine is unacceptable.

▪️ Ukrainian agricultural products should be supplied safely and freely to interested third countries.

▪️ Full exchange of all prisoners of war. All deported and illegally displaced Ukrainian children, as well as other illegally detained civilians, must be returned to Ukraine.

“We receive help. Is it enough to win? No. Is the help coming late? Yes, it is. Will these packages be strengthened? We are working on it,” – President Zelenskyy. https://t.co/yYJYTkfeEM pic.twitter.com/7xXITuVyyH

— Anton Gerashchenko (@Gerashchenko_en) June 16, 2024

Here’s the full text of the communique:

Joint Communiqué on a Peace Framework

16 June 2024 – 15:31

HIGH-LEVEL SUMMIT ON PEACE FOR UKRAINE

Joint Communiqué on a Peace Framework

Switzerland, 15-16 June 2024

The ongoing war of the Russian Federation against Ukraine continues to cause large-scale human suffering and destruction, and to create risks and crises with global repercussions for the world. We gathered in Switzerland on 15-16 June 2024 to enhance a high-level dialogue on pathways towards a comprehensive, just and lasting peace for Ukraine. We reiterated resolutions A/RES/ES-11/1  and A/RES/ES-11/6  adopted at the UN General Assembly and underscored our commitment to upholding International Law including the United Nations Charter.

This Summit was built on the previous discussions that have taken place based on Ukraine’s Peace Formula and other peace proposals which are in line with international law, including the United Nations Charter.

We deeply appreciate Switzerland’s hospitality and its initiative to host the High-Level Summit as expression of its firm commitment to promoting international peace and security.

We had a fruitful, comprehensive and constructive exchange of various views on pathways towards a framework for a comprehensive, just and lasting peace, based on international law, including the United Nations Charter. In particular, we reaffirm our commitment to refraining from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, the principles of sovereignty, independence, and territorial integrity of all states, including Ukraine, within their internationally recognized borders, including territorial waters, and the resolution of disputes through peaceful means as principles of international law.

We, furthermore, have a common vision on the following crucial aspects:

1) Firstly, any use of nuclear energy and nuclear installations must be safe, secured, safe-guarded and environmentally sound. Ukrainian nuclear power plants and installations, including Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant, must operate safely and securely under full sovereign control of Ukraine and in line with IAEA principles and under its supervision.

Any threat or use of nuclear weapons in the context of the ongoing war against Ukraine is inadmissible.

2) Secondly, global food security depends on uninterrupted manufacturing and supply of food products. In this regard, free, full and safe commercial navigation, as well as access to sea ports in the Black and Azov Seas, are critical. Attacks on merchant ships in ports and along the entire route, as well as against civilian ports and civilian port infrastructure, are unacceptable.

Food security must not be weaponized in any way. Ukrainian agricultural products should be securely and freely provided to interested third countries.

3) Thirdly, all prisoners of war must be released by complete exchange. All deported and unlawfully displaced Ukrainian children, and all other Ukrainian civilians who were unlawfully detained, must be returned to Ukraine.

We believe that reaching peace requires the involvement of and dialogue between all parties. We, therefore, decided to undertake concrete steps in the future in the above-mentioned areas with further engagement of the representatives of all parties.

The United Nations Charter, including the principles of respect for the territorial integrity and sovereignty of all states, can and will serve as a basis in achieving a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in Ukraine.

Apparently there was an issue with the Ukrainian language translation of Italian President Meloni’s speech.

Friends,

As some of you have pointed out in the comments, the translation of Giorgia Meloni’s words from English to Ukrainian has been incorrect.

Here is the correct version and its differences with the Ukrainian translation by @MyLordBebo.

Sorry for the confusion. I think… https://t.co/AQ3F4WHIMb pic.twitter.com/Hy2MwLPnwC

— Anton Gerashchenko (@Gerashchenko_en) June 16, 2024

Friends,

As some of you have pointed out in the comments, the translation of Giorgia Meloni’s words from English to Ukrainian has been incorrect.

Here is the correct version and its differences with the Ukrainian translation by @MyLordBebo .

Sorry for the confusion. I think the interpreter must have been translating from the heart and has put the deepest wish of all Ukrainians into Prime Minister Meloni’s statement.

Here is the full video of President Meloni’s remarks followed by the English transcript from the Italian government’s own website.

President Meloni’s speech at the Summit on Peace in Ukraine

Sunday, 16 June 2024

Dear Viola, dear Volodymyr, colleagues,

844 days have passed since the beginning of the Russian war of aggression. 844 days of heroic Ukrainian resistance and of an unwavering unity which never failed to support the Ukrainian people.

Defending Ukraine means defending that system of rules that holds the international community together and protects every Nation. If Ukraine had not been able to count on our support and therefore would have been forced to surrender, today we would not be here to discuss the minimum conditions for a negotiation. We would be just discussing the invasion of a sovereign state and we can all imagine with what consequences.

Dear colleagues,
Peace does not mean surrender – as President Putin seems to suggest with his latest declarations. It does not. Confusing peace with subjugation would set a dangerous precedent for everyone. Today’s Conference represents a bold initiative, which dismantles certain narratives, or propaganda. No one can question the absolute importance of the three crucial topics of global interest which have been discussed today – nuclear safety, food security and the human dimension, in particular the return of displaced children. They matter to us all, and I think – also from today’s discussion – that there is much we can build from here.

Italy has always done its part, and it does not intend to walk away. However, we need to join all our possible efforts, in order to help Ukraine look towards the future. That’s exactly what we did at the G7 Summit under the Italian Presidency, where we just reached an agreement to make approximately USD 50 billion of additional financial support available to Kyiv by the end of the year, leveraging the extraordinary revenues of the immobilized Russian sovereign assets. This is an extremely significant achievement, the result of great teamwork done by the G7 leaders.

Dear Volodymyr, I am here to tell you that you can continue to count on us, for as long as it takes. We will continue every possible effort to keep all the international partners engaged, as they are also suffering from the global consequences of this conflict. We intend to do everything in our possibilities to transform a future of peace and freedom for Ukraine into a reality.

Thank you.

Essentially, the peace summit in Switzerland has been the largest Ukrainian diplomatic effort in its history.

In February 2022, half of the world was simply burying us alive and trying to guess whether Kyiv will fall within 48 or 72 hours.

In June 2024, 80 nations and four… pic.twitter.com/DS9sdU6Hm2

— Illia Ponomarenko 🇺🇦 (@IAPonomarenko) June 16, 2024

Essentially, the peace summit in Switzerland has been the largest Ukrainian diplomatic effort in its history.

In February 2022, half of the world was simply burying us alive and trying to guess whether Kyiv will fall within 48 or 72 hours.

In June 2024, 80 nations and four major international organizations sign on to a peace initiative that stands for nothing but Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity, freedom of navigation, control over its own nuclear power facility, an all-out prisoner swap, and an end to the largest European war since WWII incited by Russia – as opposed to what Putin wants, with further territorial grabs, with Ukraine’s military disarmament, with more and more appeasement, and with Ukraine being left behind defenseless to Putin’s mercy.

The price:

This is how Musia, a cat taken from the war zone, reacts to thunder and rain.

📹: helena_quail / TikTok pic.twitter.com/gTHGrTXDLo

— Anton Gerashchenko (@Gerashchenko_en) June 16, 2024

The reason:

Ukrainian men are fighting for a bright future for their children.
Thank you for your service.
Happy Father’s Day!

📹: @United24media pic.twitter.com/6b3kiGDjSz

— Defense of Ukraine (@DefenceU) June 16, 2024

Kyiv:

🏳️‍🌈🇺🇦 #Pride returned to Kyiv for the 1st time since the full-scale invasion. A @lgbtmilitary convoy proudly joined.

This year’s slogans called for not only equal rights but also #ArmUkraineNow & #FreeAzovstalDefenders.

To protect the rights of LGBTIQ+ Ukrainians, defeating… pic.twitter.com/HooDINdlVl

— Inna Sovsun (@InnaSovsun) June 16, 2024

🏳️‍🌈🇺🇦 #Pride returned to Kyiv for the 1st time since the full-scale invasion. A @lgbtmilitary convoy proudly joined.

This year’s slogans called for not only equal rights but also #ArmUkraineNow & #FreeAzovstalDefenders.

To protect the rights of LGBTIQ+ Ukrainians, defeating homophobic #Russia is essential.

Mariinka:

Another russian failed attack in the Mariinka direction.
The occupiers used 28 pieces of armored equipment, and 13 of them were torn to pieces by 🇺🇦 warriors.

📹: 46th Airmobile Brigade pic.twitter.com/BGVRYOSfzh

— Defense of Ukraine (@DefenceU) June 16, 2024

Avdiivka front:

Russian assault group on top of BRDM-2M destroyed by drone operators of ‘Shadow’ unit on the Avdiivka front. https://t.co/cDGwnTFTJs pic.twitter.com/jYJ6NJkkkT

— Special Kherson Cat 🐈🇺🇦 (@bayraktar_1love) June 16, 2024

Rostov on Don, Russia:

Okay, incarcerated ISIS militants initiated a mutiny in a jail in Russia’s Rostov-on-Don and took several hostages from among their guards.

It’s an ongoing story.

Putin’s disgraced “secret services”, amid their yet another fuckup, once again detecting the “Ukrainian trace” in…

— Illia Ponomarenko 🇺🇦 (@IAPonomarenko) June 16, 2024

Okay, incarcerated ISIS militants initiated a mutiny in a jail in Russia’s Rostov-on-Don and took several hostages from among their guards.

It’s an ongoing story.

Putin’s disgraced “secret services”, amid their yet another fuckup, once again detecting the “Ukrainian trace” in 3….2….1…

And once again Twitter/X won’t generate an embed code for the second tweet in the thread with the video. But here’s Dmitri’s tweet of it:

⚡️Rostov-on-Don, Russia: A group of prisoners captures hostages in a pre-trial detention center.

In Rostov-on-Don, prisoners in one of the cells took two guards hostage. According to Baza, they call themselves members of the Islamic State and demand weapons and the opportunity… pic.twitter.com/5CpMZY6kfR

— WarTranslated (Dmitri) (@wartranslated) June 16, 2024

⚡️Rostov-on-Don, Russia: A group of prisoners captures hostages in a pre-trial detention center.

In Rostov-on-Don, prisoners in one of the cells took two guards hostage. According to Baza, they call themselves members of the Islamic State and demand weapons and the opportunity to be released.

Curiously, the southern city of Rostov was temporarily liberated by Wagner forces in June 2023.

Some information about the men who captured a pre-trial detention centre in Rostov, according to Russian sources.

At least six prisoners took prison employees hostage in Rostov-on-Don. Two of them were convicted under Article 205.5, Part 2 “Terrorism”), they managed somehow to… pic.twitter.com/8V68Tq0Gzh

— WarTranslated (Dmitri) (@wartranslated) June 16, 2024

Some information about the men who captured a pre-trial detention centre in Rostov, according to Russian sources.

At least six prisoners took prison employees hostage in Rostov-on-Don. Two of them were convicted under Article 205.5, Part 2 “Terrorism”), they managed somehow to knock the bars out in their cells and take hostages.

At least three were convicted in December 2023 for participation in ISIS (they planned to attack the building of the Supreme Court of the Karachay-Cherkess Republic). They were all sentenced to 18+ years in prison.

You’ll notice a fully bearded, well fed, individual wearing an ISIS headband holding a knife and seated next to a Russian hostage. I know a few things about Russian prisons. Let’s leave aside the brutality of the prisoner vory hierarchy, where exactly did this guy get the ISIS headband? Why is he so well fed? Why does he still have his beard?

There are strange details and inconsistencies with the Russian official version of what happened in Rostov prison.

Ukrainian prisoners of war were held in that prison, and the hands of those “killed in the assault” were handcuffed.

The prisoners who took hostages in pre-trial… https://t.co/K7lLJCxQ5W pic.twitter.com/Y1symMAA78

— Anton Gerashchenko (@Gerashchenko_en) June 16, 2024

There are strange details and inconsistencies with the Russian official version of what happened in Rostov prison.

Ukrainian prisoners of war were held in that prison, and the hands of those “killed in the assault” were handcuffed.

The prisoners who took hostages in pre-trial detention center No. 1 were killed during the storming, Russian Federal Penitentiary Service says. Two of them were handcuffed (photo 1, 2). Olga Romanova, founder of the “Russia Behind Bars” foundation, shared about the oddities and inconsistencies in the case.

▪️ The capture took place at night, Romanova says. “They somehow simultaneously freed themselves from several cells. The cellmates did not raise the alarm. They had communication, they had mobile phones.”

▪️ On Sunday night, for some reason, a high-ranking chief Lt. Col. Aleksandr Bogma, head of the operational department of the regional Federal Penitentiary Service, was in the detention center. He became one of the hostages (photo 3). “Bogma doesn’t even work there, what was he doing in the pre-trial detention center during a weekend night?”

▪️ Ukrainian prisoners of war are held in pre-trial detention center-1. “Some of them are also accused on terrorist articles. I wouldn’t be surprised if a “Ukrainian trace” is found in the ISIS riot by tonight, as it was after the terrorist attack in Crocus City Hall.

I would not be surprised if some of the survivors of the storming were killed.” TASS, citing the authorities, has already reported that the hostage-taking had been prepared for months and could have been coordinated from outside.

Russian police executed handcuffed terrorists who escaped the prison in Rostov https://t.co/mfZz9kHnHa

— WarTranslated (Dmitri) (@wartranslated) June 16, 2024

The three prisoners who took hostages in Rostov-on-Don were previously arrested at the end of 2023. This is footage of their detention.

It took them just 6 months to prepare for the prison escape operation and to take hostages.

Complete failure on behalf of Russian authorities… pic.twitter.com/pxQTU0ZCbx

— WarTranslated (Dmitri) (@wartranslated) June 16, 2024

The three prisoners who took hostages in Rostov-on-Don were previously arrested at the end of 2023. This is footage of their detention.

It took them just 6 months to prepare for the prison escape operation and to take hostages.

Complete failure on behalf of Russian authorities to prevent such an incident. The illegal war is more important.

That’s enough for tonight.

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Guffaw!

by WaterGirl|  June 16, 20245:47 pm| 67 Comments

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Posted without comment, except to say that I scared the cat with my outburst.

Blacks For Trump pic.twitter.com/KkrY8gUkmf

— Shawn In Arizona 🌵 (@ShawnInArizona) June 15, 2024

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Happy Father’s Day

by WaterGirl|  June 16, 20243:56 pm| 74 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads

Missing my Dad, but nice to see these two fine dads.

Lucky dads, lucky kids.  Lucky us!

h/t to Heidi Mom and eclare

Definitely worth the 7 minutes, even if it did get a little dusty in here!

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Repub Venality Open Thread: When Dear Leader Summons, Repubs Hasten to Obey

by Anne Laurie|  June 16, 202411:54 am| 61 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Proud to Be A Democrat, Republican Stupidity, Republican Venality, Trumpery

Did he pat you on the head and give you a treat? https://t.co/XtCpIgOnbe

— Patrick Chovanec (@prchovanec) June 13, 2024

Trump sent a violent mob into the Capitol to try to overthrow the government. Now he’s been invited into the Capitol by the Speaker of the House to get support from Republicans to try it again.

— Rob Reiner (@robreiner) June 13, 2024

MSNBC shows us how a chyron is done. pic.twitter.com/SaWRTAttFW

— Janice Hough (@leftcoastbabe) June 13, 2024

For all the “triumphant returns” and “Trumps flexes” and all the rest I don’t think anyone beside @atrupar really captured it. This was Pyongyang in the Rotunda. The maniacal clapping in unison, MTG almost breaking down in tears cuz Trump smiled at her. Total North Korea vibe.

— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) June 14, 2024

… [I]t was some mix of surprising and revealing how little of the first round of press coverage noted the very Pyongyang-on-Capitol Hill vibe of these events, right down to the set piece press opportunities with grown men and women from the Senate manically clapping like seals as Trump walks into the room, interviews where they express their hopes that Trump will come and lead them again. Our friend Aaron Rupar really seemed to have his eyes open for this, and he captured it in this video.

here's a supercut of Republicans kissing Trump's ass after meeting with him today. big Dear Leader energy. pic.twitter.com/UjZbeGdCp5

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) June 14, 2024

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Perhaps these public performances of dignity loss are so expected at this point that people take them as a given. But I think there’s a bit more to it than that. Most people haven’t seen this stuff in years. And it’s actually much more fulsome and intense than it used to be. Trump’s mix of courtroom defeats and convictions keeps upping the ante for the level of sycophancy required in his and their minds to offset them. It’s the most obvious way that occurs to them to counter those reverses. Not only does it not hurt him, they clap even louder each felony he’s convicted of.

And Trump doesn’t look good. He turned 78 today. But I don’t think it’s age. He looks different since his conviction: disheveled, sweaty, even more rambling than before.

The unity also seems creakier than advertised. I don’t mean there’s disunity precisely. But the whole spectacle didn’t signal a great deal of confidence, certainly less confidence than you’d expect from the Democratic mood which over the spring has often oscillated between pessimistic and doomed. The presidential race remains genuinely uncertain. Congress is likely a bigger driver. The Senate map is so bad for Democrats this year that the idea of maintaining control of the Senate should be absurd. But it’s not. There’s now a legitimate chance Democrats could do it, especially if President Biden is reelected, allowing control in a 50-50 Senate. I’m not saying this is likely. But it seems much more possible than it did only a few months ago. Republicans prospects in the House are worse…

Speaker Mike Johnson — self-described "Bible believing Christian" — is lying here. And it's not a subtle lie; it's a significant, easily provable one. This is what the collapse of integrity looks like. https://t.co/P1Jm8rfHsm

— Peter Wehner (@Peter_Wehner) June 12, 2024

Reporters are basically tweeting, in real time, Trump's comments at a closed door meeting, thereby amplifying his lies and pumping them into the news cycle in case you thought any lessons have been learned or that they are not, in fact, in the tank for him.

— scary lawyerguy (@scarylawyerguy) June 13, 2024

It’s bring your felon to work day. pic.twitter.com/XNMu6JQ2d8

— Adam Schiff (@AdamSchiff) June 13, 2024

The Associated Press was once the epitome of journalism, but this headline is indistinguishable from a press release issued by a convicted felon.
How appalling. https://t.co/FnESQ9cW1K

— KAMALA NATION (@KamalaNation) June 14, 2024

Drunk uncle buffoon Fat Donny lauds his great ownership of the RNC.https://t.co/AaJbuWwfGj

— Phil Gibson (@fivetoephil) June 14, 2024

Donald Trump came to the Capitol Hill Club Thursday morning supposedly to discuss his agenda for a second term with House Republicans. Instead, Trump treated his meeting as an opportunity to deliver a behind-closed-doors, stream-of-consciousness rant where Trump tried to settle scores in the House GOP, trashed the city of Milwaukee and took a shot at Nancy Pelosi’s “wacko” daughter.

As one source in the room put it, Trump was “rambling.”

“Like talking to your drunk uncle at the family reunion,” this source said.

Lawmakers who attended the meeting — which was nearly the entire House GOP conference — kicked off the affair with their own show of devotion: They sang “Happy Birthday” to Trump. The former president, who turns 78 on Friday, was then presented with a game ball from Wednesday night’s Congressional Baseball Game, where Republicans whooped Democrats 31-11…

On the other end of the spectrum, Trump dumped on a number of his enemies, railing against the Department of Justice — he called the DOJ “dirty bastards” — and criticized Democrats and President Joe Biden.

He also brought up Taylor Swift, asking the room why the pop singer would “endorse this dope,” referring to Biden, according to a member in the room…

TO BE CLEAR, good stories have color and anecdotes to take you "inside the room." I get it. But if EVERYONE writes "lawmakers sang happy birthday and Trump asked Marjorie Taylor Greene if she's being nice to Mike Johnson" in their stories…what have we learned?

— Emma Dumain (@Emma_Dumain) June 13, 2024

Hello darkness my old friend. https://t.co/BxTQJT3rC4 pic.twitter.com/IwIxQJYQUa

— Jean-Michel Connard ??? (@torriangray) June 13, 2024

When Dear Leader Summons, Repubs Hasten - STOCKPILE

(John Deering via GoComics.com)

The memory-holing of Trump’s attempt to seize power and the Jan. 6 riot is complete as even some of his top GOP critics wave the white flag and welcome him back with open arms https://t.co/EqiEFKf7gt

— Igor Bobic (@igorbobic) June 13, 2024

“history will remember the shame of people like” McConnell, Liz Cheney says https://t.co/uPtS5yhvRC

— Igor Bobic (@igorbobic) June 13, 2024


Trump Is Their Dear Leader - STOCKPILE

“The fact that McConnell and his people feel the need to continue their make-believe, even after yesterday’s humiliations, is as damning as it is pathetic.” https://t.co/CJi6PF2Q5o

— Bill Kristol (@BillKristol) June 14, 2024

Josh Hawley told me Trump sat between Mitch McConnell and John Thune during his meeting with GOP senators and said

“It shows that he is absolutely the leader of the party. I mean, you had people who have vociferously opposed him, who were sitting right next to him in the room."

— Annie Grayer (@AnnieGrayerCNN) June 13, 2024

Josh Hawley ran away from the mob on January 6th, and now his Republican friends are running to meet the mobster at the same place.
These people are shameless.

— KAMALA NATION (@KamalaNation) June 13, 2024

“No other former president enjoys getting their ass kissed like Trump,” Fetterman says of his meeting with Hill GOP tomorrow

“So it’s gonna be a lot of” — he sees Vance walk out of an elevator — “ a lot of that.”

— Igor Bobic (@igorbobic) June 12, 2024

1255 days ago. At same location

===> https://t.co/ewmZYrYfrp pic.twitter.com/n7fthesYL4

— Scott MacFarlane (@MacFarlaneNews) June 13, 2024

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Sunday Morning Open Thread: The Final Frontier

by Anne Laurie|  June 16, 20248:07 am| 156 Comments

This post is in: LGBTQ Rights Are Human Rights, Open Threads, Space

I made this Pride flag using only NASA images and our team thought it would be cool to share on social (I work on the NASA heliophysics communications team), but it's getting all sorts of hate on the bird app and Fbook. Thought y'all might be more appreciative of it here. ☺️🏳️‍🌈💖

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— Rachel Lense is Professionally Curious (@rachellense.bsky.social) Jun 13, 2024 at 10:19 PM

(H/t Narya)

 

We’re back, baby!

Our Voyager 1 spacecraft is conducting normal science operations for the first time since November 2023. All four instruments – which study plasma waves, magnetic fields, and particles – are returning usable science data.https://t.co/3FGBOANXGl pic.twitter.com/QqgsCmup7D

— NASA (@NASA) June 14, 2024

Per The Register (think I owe someone a hat tip for this link), “Voyager 1 makes stellar comeback to science operations”:

NASA’s Voyager 1 spacecraft is back in action and conducting normal science operations for the first time since the veteran probe began spouting gibberish at the end of 2023.

All four of the spacecraft’s remaining operational instruments are now returning usable data to Earth, according to NASA.

Some additional work is needed to tidy up the effects of the issue. Engineers need to resynchronize the timekeeping software of Voyager 1’s three onboard computers to ensure that commands are executed at the correct times. Maintenance will also be performed on the digital tape recorder, which records some data from the plasma instrument for a six-monthly downlink to Earth.

As the 50th anniversary of Voyager 1’s launch rapidly approaches, and with the probe now 15 billion miles (24 billion kilometers) from Earth, restoring functionality is quite an engineering feat…

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The rescue was made all the more impressive by the fact that it takes 22.5 hours for a command to reach Voyager 1 and another 22.5 hours for a response to be received on Earth.

How much longer the Voyagers can continue to function is open to conjecture. The power supplies are gradually degrading, and engineers have been turning off non-essential systems to eke out dwindling resources for as long as possible.

Due the engineers’ efforts, there is a very good chance that one or both Voyagers will continue to be operational by the time the 50th anniversary of the mission’s launch rolls around in 2027.

A fitting tribute to those who designed the spacecraft, and the mission’s first project scientist, Ed Stone, who died recently at the age of 88. ®

Voyager 1 is back to life in interstellar space, but for how long? https://t.co/uIXrFLwrlE pic.twitter.com/WyIACnfIZr

— Toronto Sun (@TheTorontoSun) June 13, 2024


But! Half-full glass continues to empty, per Joel Achenbach at the Washington Post:

… What no one can change, though, is the mortality of a spacecraft with a limited power supply. Voyager 1 is running on fumes, or, more precisely, on the dwindling power from the radioactive decay of plutonium.

The Voyagers have traveled so far from the sun they can’t rely on solar power and instead use a radioisotope thermoelectric generator. But an RTG doesn’t last forever. Voyager 1 and Voyager 2 will eventually go silent as they continue to cruise the galaxy. NASA scientists and engineers are hoping Voyager 1 can keep sending data until at least Sept. 5, 2027, the 50th anniversary of its launch.

“At some point, we’ll have to start turning off the science instruments one by one,” Spilker said. “Once we’re out of power, then we can no longer keep the spacecraft pointed at the Earth. And so [the Voyagers] will then continue on as what I like to think of as our silent ambassadors.”

In a sense, this is all a bonus because the primary mission for the two Voyagers was the exploration of the outer planets. Both visited Jupiter and Saturn, and Voyager 2 went on to Uranus and Neptune in what was known as the “Grand Tour” of the outer solar system, enabled by a rare orbital arrangement of the planets. The Voyagers delivered spectacular close-up images of the outer planets, and the mission ranks among NASA’s greatest achievements…

New research explores how a short trip to space affects the human body. pic.twitter.com/XaRDn9WdzV

— The Associated Press (@AP) June 15, 2024

A Chinese spacecraft lands on moon's far side to collect rocks in growing space rivalry with US https://t.co/WwnRYK3zll

— The Associated Press (@AP) June 1, 2024

Massive cradle of baby stars revealed in new space telescope images https://t.co/vXlR4oRdOb

— The Associated Press (@AP) May 23, 2024

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