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Mechanics and what we think we might think about last Tuesday

by David Anderson|  November 7, 202412:32 pm| 86 Comments

This post is in: 2024 Activism, Democratic Politics, Elections, Elections 2024, Harris-Walz, Make The World A Better Place, Open Threads

I want to lay out some things that I think I know or at least I think that I think.

  1.  Lots of people are going to be hurt.  The leopards are going to be feasting on faces of people who voted for the leopard eating faces party.  Lots of people who voted against the leopards are going to be hurt too.
  2.   It looks like the national shift was a near uniform 4 to 5 6 points to the right from 2020.
    1. Internationally, being an incumbent party in 2024 is a truly bad spot to be with historic wipeouts not uncommon
  3. The big exception to 4 or 5 point 6 shift to the right were in the swing states where there was a very active and engaged campaign.
  4. The swing states moved right by 1 2 to 3 points.
  5. The Harris campaign in these states likely had a substantial pro-DEM campaign effect of several points
    1. I’m betting that we can disaggregate mobilization effects to advertising/media effects by looking at vote swings in counties/precincts in non-swing states that get swing state messaging (ie the South Carolina suburbs of Charlotte  got bombarded by TV ads  but did not get the full GOTV mobilization effort while a decent chunk of SC got nearly no advertising nor GOTV mobilization from the national party… was there differential swing in the SC Charlotte suburbs relative to Charlestown or Columbia SC or was the NC result entirely a ground game result)
  6.  Everyone in the Democratic Party has a very strong incentive to make immediate and large claims about what the problem was and how to fix it as a way to claim within faction positions and priorities.
    1. We are unlikely to have good enough voter file data for these arguments for a few months
    2. UPDATE:  Hell, several states have yet to receive or count a substantial percentage of their ballots yet.  We won’t have rough near final counts for another week or more.
    3. Given near uniform swings in big states and small states, red states and blue states, causal explanations that are hyper campaign/tactical focused are pushing one hell of a boulder up the evidentiary hill.
  7. The GOP did not have substantial Presidential coat-tails
    1. The Senate GOP pick-ups were 2 ruby red (MT and WV), 1 pretty red (Ohio) and perhaps 1 swing state (PA) pick-ups
    2. The GOP January House Caucus is +/-2 members from their Caucus size today
    3.  I don’t think there was a governorship flip in either direction

Check in on your people today.

Build community, solidarity and kindness as we’re going to need it for the next fifty months.

But let’s figure out what happened instead of what we believe to have happened as engaging with reality as it is instead of as it is wished to be makes recovery more likely.

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An Omnibus Post About Possible Future Topics

by @heymistermix.com|  November 7, 202410:17 am| 273 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads

I have a lot of thoughts of things to write about, so this will be a post that I hope to refer back to later about some topics that I think are worth discussing as we begin to come to terms with what happened Tuesday:

Combatting Generational Setback

An Omnibus Post About Possible Future Topics

Trump’s second term will set us back for at least a generation.  Between all the 40-something judges he’ll appoint to the bench, how the Senate is going to be a continual thorn in our side after losing at least one seat that we thought was solid (Casey) and maybe others, and the rot that will be accelerated in the quality of public education, this country went back with a vengeance in a way that will be around long after many of us depart this vale of tears.  Not to mention the impending mass deportations. How to mitigate this, what organizations are worth supporting, how to protect neighbors and others who might be targets of hate are all things I hope to discuss.  Recent reading on this point:  Your Guide to Survival in Texas, Because You Live There Now by the much-loved-in-the-comments LBJ twitter account.

Our Failed Media Diet

Apparently the NYT went full deep throat fellatio this morning on the greatness of the coming Trump era.  Frankly, I don’t care.  One of the mistakes made by our tribe in 2016 was thinking that longstanding journalistic institutions would rise to the occasion.  Well, democracy didn’t die in darkness, but it didn’t do great over in the shaded corner where the sun hardly shines, which is what our vaunted institutions provided us.  Here’s Ryan Cooper on why Democrats need to re-evaluate our relationship with mainstream media. Here’s Oliver Willis’ list of worthwhile media as a starter on the topic of good media.

The Crisis of Unfuckable Incels

Young men swerved right in this election, powered by a diet of Joe Rogan, video games, porn and red-pilled incel content.  At the same time, young women are in a new place with these unfuckable, undateable man boys who say things like “your body my choice” — at its most radical feminist edge, there’s the 4B movement.  The young men who married my daughter and nieces, as well as other relatives in this age group, are generally good people, so my question is how we can help these unfuckable douchebags pull their heads out of their asses and be more like the good young men I know.  A little background on the reality on the ground from Paul Campos at LGM (another fan favorite here, and I’m mixed on the guy, but it’s short and has a couple compelling pieces of anecdata.)

How to Counter the Right-Wing Media Ecosystem and the Forever Campaign

This one is becoming a real obsession for me, because my wife’s Trumper relatives could talk of little other than the high prices, and I discounted that because I knew they only consumed right-wing media.  I also looked at the macroeconomic numbers and thought that generally the country was headed in the right direction, never mind that we’re in a giant housing affordability and availability crisis that makes a mockery of those numbers.  Well, shockingly, the folks who voted in this election didn’t have my blinders on, and they were living on a non-stop diet of “Joe did that” which tanked Biden’s favorability from the start.  I also think that older elected Democrats still are living in a “govern for most months, campaign in the last 4” world that shapes some of our poor response to the right wing eating our messaging lunch.  This is hard:  Democrats’ institutional DNA makes them want to legislate, compromise and make incremental progress. Republican DNA, since at least Reagan, is shitposting and bullshitting to their base while they engineer handouts for rich donors.  But, look who won.  And, social media is in on the con, explicitly at Xitter, implicitly at Meta, Google and the rest .  Matt Pearce’s piece is more about journalism than us building a counter to right-wing media, but the part on the mediation of good journalism by garbage filters is completely on point.

Some other quick hits:  Who ticket-split in places like Missouri and Florida, voting for Trump but also for constitutional amendments to protect abortion?  How to get people to hate Musk, Zuck, Bezos and the rest, and see them as leeches.  A deeper dive into the numbers once they’re finalized, with a look at NY, NJ and TX as being of special interest.  The migration from blue dots to red states and what that will do to the electoral map.

When I first started writing here, DougJ and I both agreed that a bunch of short posts on topics was the way to go.  Well, he’s kept that up, and now look at where I’m at…

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Thursday Morning Open Thread: Now We Cultivate Our Own Gardens

by Anne Laurie|  November 7, 20248:37 am| 284 Comments

This post is in: Elections 2024, Kamala Harris for President, Open Threads, Proud to Be A Democrat

Thursday Morning Open Thread 24

(Clay Bennett via GoComics.com)

Today is a hard day. We may be heartbroken & discouraged, but we still have a country to care about.

I want to thank every person who worked their heart out, volunteering & fighting for our future. Take a deep breath, take care — our children & grandchildren are relying on us. pic.twitter.com/uDKWaTNKp9

— Deb Haaland (@DebHaalandNM) November 6, 2024

For the sake of karma, I have striven to understand the arguments of a great many of my fellow Americans who have proven, again, that they neither want nor deserve our grace. Perhaps a day will come when I return to that philosophy. But for the moment: Let Sekhmet, Goddess of Consequences, give every Trump voter (be they ignorant, deluded, evil, or all three) exactly what they have demanded — good and hard.

Work to build democracy in your home states.

Try to elect as many Democratic leaders as you can: from the governor's mansion, to the state legislature, all the way down to local dogcatcher.

Build pockets of resistance to protect you from the encroaching fascism.

— Ragnarok Lobster ?? (@eclecticbrotha) November 6, 2024

Senator Professor Warren will be back this January. pic.twitter.com/RTuolKzzHl

— Charles P. Pierce (@CharlesPPierce) November 6, 2024


I know how lucky I am to be able to choose to live in Massachusetts, and I love this message from my senior Senator:

I will not ask you to look for silver linings.

I will not ask you to feel anything but grief right now. The consequences of this election will be real and devastating.

But I’m reminding myself that on the road ahead, there will still be opportunities to fight back.

I can’t tell you we will win all of those fights. I can’t tell you we will win most or even any of them. But when we arrive at each of those moments, we will face a choice: to give up, or to press forward.

We can’t control everything that comes next. But we can control how we respond.

The far right wants us to feel powerless. Extremists are counting on apathy, cynicism, heartbreak, or all the above to be their rocketfuel. They are counting on us to point fingers at each other and lose trust in our ability to ever, ever make change.

I absolutely refuse to give them the satisfaction. Feeling powerless is the first step toward becoming powerless. By staying united, by refusing to surrender, we give ourselves a fighting chance.

We will continue to fight for each other.

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Eight years ago, in the dark days when Republicans took full power in Washington, I thought the Affordable Care Act would be gone with a snap of a finger. But the American people rose up. Activists like the late, inimitable Ady Barkan and countless others put their bodies on the line. They made their voices heard. They saved health care for millions of families.

And a grassroots movement against far-right control took back the House in 2018, the White House in 2020, and the Senate in 2021. Don’t let anyone tell you that those victories didn’t make a real difference in people’s lives. More people could afford to go to the doctor and fill a prescription. More people could go to work. More parents could afford to put food on the table for their kids and buy new coats for them in the winter. Lives were saved. And as the far right works to roll back what we’ve achieved, they’ll hope we won’t have the stomach to push back. But we can choose to prove them wrong.

We need each other. We take care of each other. And please, take care of yourself. Take the time you need right now to be angry, hurt, and confused. Hold your loved ones close. Find opportunities to be in community with others this week. Take social media breaks. Foster your connections. Make new ones. Reach out to someone you’ve lost touch with. Tell them you’re with them no matter what lies ahead.

If the work you do makes a difference for just one person, that would be enough.

I will wake up every morning and choose to fight for our families, our freedoms, and our kids’ futures. I will do everything I can in my position to defend our values and fight back.

And I will always be honored to fight by your side.

Because it is a universal law that Everything Trump Touches Dies, I’m looking forward to a steady trickle of reports on Republican thimblerigging, grift, perjury, and general criminality to emerge between now and January 21st, hopefully starting with this excellent proposal:

Biden should declassify everything he safely can about Republicans’ ties to Russians.

— Dana Houle (@DanaHoule) November 7, 2024

Another couple of important Winners I missed yesterday morning:

AP Race Call: Democrat Elissa Slotkin defeats Republican Mike Rogers in Michigan Senate race. https://t.co/rmAzSzr2ud pic.twitter.com/gMVx6dvy0X

— The Associated Press (@AP) November 6, 2024

AP Race Call: Democratic incumbent Tammy Baldwin defeats Republican Eric Hovde in Wisconsin Senate race. https://t.co/rmAzSzr2ud pic.twitter.com/PqBnRnOFEL

— The Associated Press (@AP) November 6, 2024

The arc of history…

Tonight in 1968, Shirley Chisholm became the first Black woman elected to Congress. pic.twitter.com/o25emfNTtt

— Michael Li ??? (@mcpli) November 6, 2024

I look at my great grandmother's picture every day.
Amelia "Millie" Weaver Roberts, b. Apr. 15, 1835, a midwife and herbalist, who could neither read nor write, who rose up out of enslavement to inspire her seven children to go on to HBCUs pic.twitter.com/4y03fcAJ8a

— Denise Oliver-Velez ?? (@Deoliver47) November 7, 2024

Worth remembering before the blame-game gets too personal: "Democrats join 2024’s graveyard of incumbents", @jburnmurdoch https://t.co/2S3Y9JMpk6 via @ft pic.twitter.com/fU81JAyloK

— Tim Bale (@ProfTimBale) November 7, 2024

And a little earned schadenfreude (ETTD division)…

guys look on the bright side:
-Trump is trying to find ways to strip immigrants of their citizenship and deport them
-Elon musk likely worked in the US illegally at some point
– the two have a long history of spectacular falling outs

— The Great El Wokismo (@canderaid) November 7, 2024

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The Universal Constant

by Rose Judson|  November 7, 20243:00 am| 163 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads

Via commenter Kelly in Cole’s post below, some math from John Rogers:

27 percent never fails

First actual laugh I’ve had since Tuesday night, albeit a bitter laugh. I’ve got a pal who is despondent about the election coming over this evening. I’m going to order us curry and then set up my projector screen and force him to play The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom for a while. Good for him to be taken care of, good for me to do some taking care of.

Not eating much. Lots of paid work on, which is a helpful distraction. Moving forward with various proactive practicalities. I’ve also convinced my family (the sane half, anyway) to move group chat and communication over to Signal from WhatsApp.

(P.S.: If you’re following Books of All Time, episode 19 will be out late on Friday. For obvious reasons.)

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Wednesday Night Open Thread

by John Cole|  November 6, 202410:14 pm| 117 Comments

This post is in: John Cole Presents "This Fucking Old House", Open Threads

Great post by Adam below.

So I ate something. I had picked up chinese yesterday was too nervous to eat and then too sick to my stomach to eat, was not hungry all day, and just ate something, so that is good. I also am pushing back my trip a day. Earlier I was in the kind of mood to just drive into a concrete underpass at 80 mph, but that was quickly replaced with rage at pretty much everything. Regardless, I didn’t sleep last night and am not going to sleep well tonight, and I just don’t want to put other people at risk with distracted driving tomorrow. I will leave on Friday.

I have already cruised through being upset about the election so am now straight into the anger phase, where I suspect I will stay until November 2028. Fuck Donald Trump.

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War for Ukraine Day 987: Adjustments & Changes

by Adam L Silverman|  November 6, 20249:45 pm| 38 Comments

This post is in: Foreign Affairs, Foreign Policy, Military, Open Threads, Russia, Silverman on Security, War, War in Ukraine

Three housekeeping notes. First, Rosie is doing great. She’ll see her regular vet Friday, which will be the first time her regular vet has seen her since she started chemo. This is just routine. Thank you for all the good thoughts, well wishes, prayers, and donations.

Second, about a month or so ago Cole and I had a discussion about tweets. Specifically, because Apartheid Clyde keeps mucking around with the code and the API, embedding tweets is really mucking up the site. There’s just no way for any developer to stay on top of the mess. Of course the majority of Ukrainians and those reporting on Ukraine are continuing to do so on the hellsite, which is why I was continuing to embed them. I’ve already checked and Nitter posts don’t embed. But I think all of us would like to give the Starlink Snowflake less exposure, so over the next few days I’ll be trying just using the Nitter link and copying and pasting the content combined with using BlueSky embeds where I can. This will mean less screen shots and videos, so may not be optimal and I may have to go back to doing things the other way. Thank you all in advance for your forbearance.

Third, I’m taking several days of leave to recharge. That’s from my actual paying work.  Tomorrow I will do a post on where we are in the wake of yesterday’s and today’s news. However, I want to make an important point right now: what you all did here, including Watergirl’s organizing, was incredible. The civic action you all undertook, providing donations for, or both was amazing and you should all be very, very proud of your efforts. The reason we are where we are though is because while civic action is necessary, it is not sufficient by itself given the reality of the past nine years. The President-elect’s movement is a revolutionary one that revolves around a revanchist, reactionary racist, antisemitic, Islamophobic, misogynist, homophobic, xenophobic, and (white) Christian nationalist ideology fused with a cult of personality around the President-elect. And this movement is aided and abetted by extreme gerrymanders, extreme voter suppression, extreme voter disenfranchisement, low intensity revolutionary violence/the threat of violence, and the subversion of the federal judiciary and the 25 states where the GOP has trifectas. As necessary as civic action is, it is not sufficient to counter that. It has to be combined with counter-guerilla warfare to counter the violence/threats of violence and counter-political action to counter the subversion of the federal courts, the extreme gerrymanders, voter suppression, and voter disenfranchisement. Unless an individual or small group is going to undertake a partisan counter-guerilla warfare campaign, which would of necessity have to be violent, these things can only really be done by government officials. And they weren’t. They weren’t even undertaken. I’ll have more on this tomorrow, but I wanted to make sure that everyone recognizes that you all did everything you could possibly do in the one line of effort that can be done by the citizenry. You all did great and important work, take both pride and as much comfort in that as you can!

Here is President Zelenskyy’s address from earlier today. Video below, English transcript after the jump.

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True Peace Is Only Achieved by Those Who Are Truly Brave – Address by the President

6 November 2024 – 20:20

I wish you health, fellow Ukrainians!

Today is indeed a special day, and one piece of news is grabbing everyone’s attention around the world. The absolutely convincing election results in America. A clear leadership of President Trump. I congratulate him on this victory. In general, it was extremely important for us in Ukraine and for all of Europe to consistently hear the words of the then-45th President of the United States about “peace through strength.” And if this becomes the policy principle of the 47th President of the United States, America and the whole world will undoubtedly benefit from it. It is not without reason that Ronald Reagan is mentioned so often these days – people want confidence, they want freedom, a normal life. And for us, this means a life free from Russian aggression, and with a strong America, with a strong Ukraine, with strong allies. This year, we have already spoken with President Trump both by phone in July and in a face-to-face meeting in September; and those were good conversations. We have ongoing interaction at the team level. As always, we certainly value the bipartisan support of the United States. We talked about all the points of the Victory Plan. At the meeting in New York, as well as at meetings in Washington – in Congress and at the White House. On defense, on the economy, and on the future after the war – we have the potential for stronger cooperation. This is what will make Ukraine, America, and the entire free world more successful.

Tomorrow, I will be in Budapest for the European Political Community Summit, at the invitation of Viktor Orbán, the Prime Minister of Hungary, which holds the Presidency of the European Council, and Charles Michel, President of the European Council. This is the fifth Summit in this format. The first was in Czechia, the second – in Moldova, then in Spain and the United Kingdom. Now Hungary. I am grateful for the invitation. And we will discuss security challenges in Europe, as well as new opportunities for all partners. A series of meetings and agreements with European leaders will take place.

Today, there have been a lot of meetings focused specifically on the results we have now and those we can achieve. With the Prime Minister of Ukraine, Denys Shmyhal, we had a meeting about our ongoing work and key resilience issues. I also spoke with Ruslan Stefanchuk, Chairman of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, about the actions of both the legislative and executive branches of Government. I also held a meeting with Oleksandr Kamyshin to discuss the performance of our defense industry, our supplies to the front, and the promising things that can be done to strengthen Ukraine’s positions. Of course, there was a report from Commander-in-Chief Syrskyi. The front and the implementation of decisions that can support our warriors on the contact line. And today, I want to express my special gratitude to all Ukrainian warriors, to all our units carrying out combat missions in the Kursk region. Today marks the third month of the Kursk Operation. And this is our contribution to ensuring that everyone in the world sees: Ukraine can change the course of this war to make those responsible for the war feel real pressure. True peace is only achieved by those who are truly brave.

I thank everyone who stands with Ukraine! I am proud of our people!

Glory to Ukraine!

Here is President Zelenskyy’s statement after his call with the President-elect:

I had an excellent call with President @realDonaldTrump and congratulated him on his historic landslide victory—his tremendous campaign made this result possible. I praised his family and team for their great work. We agreed to maintain close dialogue and advance our cooperation. Strong and unwavering U.S. leadership is vital for the world and for a just peace.

Ukrainian officials sought to put on a brave face and position themselves as supporters of Donald Trump who they portrayed as the leader who could forge peace with Russia. But hiding behind the veil of support was a lot of anxiety. www.ft.com/content/6275…

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— Christopher Miller (@christopherjm.bsky.social) November 6, 2024 at 9:19 AM

From The Financial Times:

Ukrainian officials on Wednesday sought to put on a brave face and position themselves as supporters of Donald Trump who they portrayed as the leader who could forge peace with Russia.

But hiding behind the veil of support was “a lot of anxiety” about the US’s continued support for Kyiv once the new president took office, said a former minister.

President Volodymyr Zelenskyy congratulated Trump on his “impressive election victory” even before the electoral count was tallied. The Ukrainian leader expressed hope that the Republican would play an important role in ending the war.

“We look forward to an era of a strong United States of America under President Trump’s decisive leadership,” Zelenskyy said. “This is exactly the principle that can practically bring just peace in Ukraine closer.”

He recalled a September meeting with Trump in New York, where they discussed efforts to end Russia’s military aggression, including the Ukrainian leader’s “victory plan,” which calls for an increase in military support from Washington that will be a tough sell for the Trump administration.

Trump, who was impeached in 2019 for pressuring Zelenskyy to open criminal probes into Joe Biden and his son Hunter over their business dealings in Ukraine, has blamed the Ukrainian president for starting the war. Trump has also claimed that he would end the conflict “within 24 hours” after taking office.

“I know Zelenskyy very well, and I know [Russian President Vladimir} Putin very well, even better,” Trump told Fox News in July. “I would tell Zelenskyy, no more. You got to make a deal,” he said, adding that he would turn to Putin and threaten to give Kyiv “a lot” more aid in order to broker an agreement.

Zelenskyy’s response to Trump’s re-election was echoed by senior politicians in Kyiv who believe the Republican is capable of reinvigorating the west’s approach to Russia’s war.

“Feeling OK, lots of challenges but definitely new dynamics coming,” David Arakhamia, head of Zelenskyy’s parliamentary group told the Financial Times.

Olha Stefanishyna, Ukraine’s deputy prime minister for European integration, echoed that sentiment, saying that “Trump can definitely organise” more political momentum in Kyiv’s favour.

Oleksandr Merezhko, another MP in Zelenskyy’s party, who chairs the parliament’s foreign affairs committee, said he was “cautiously optimistic” about Trump. “He wants to be a successful president and success means that Ukraine should become for him a success story, not a story of failure,” he said.

Heavily reliant on US military, financial, and diplomatic support, Ukrainians have spent the past few months closely following the US election campaign. Many had voiced support for the Democratic candidate Kamala Harris out of concern that Trump might force Kyiv’s capitulation.

Since Russia’s full-scale invasion began in February 2022, the Biden administration has given more than $64bn in security assistance to Ukraine, plus additional financial and humanitarian aid adding up to $174bn. Ukrainian forces on the eastern front are enduring relentless Russian attacks, which have led to the biggest and fastest territorial gains by their adversary since 2022.

A Ukrainian defence official said that many people in the country’s military “are afraid [US] assistance will stop and we’ll lose Donbas [in eastern Ukraine] at least”.

“For us, [US] support means life or death,” said a Ukrainian defence adviser. “We need to convince Trump to be with us.”

A Ukrainian military adviser said he was “more pessimistic” than the political leaders expressing support for Trump. “But some people think that his out-of-the-box approach will be actually the only one capable of some result,” he added.

An adviser to the Ukrainian government said he feared that Trump “may push the whole world into the era of chaos”.

“It might be a moment of truth for Europe, the UK to step up and be the adults in the room. But they may not be up to that task.”

Serhiy Fursa, a Ukrainian political analyst, said the return of Trump meant “the world once again turned the wrong way”.

“Putin celebrates, Orban celebrates, [Elon] Musk opens champagne. Today is a holiday for a lot of very unpleasant people,” he said.

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The Biden administration needs to send everything that can be sent under the draw down authority, everything that can be or is being built in the defense contracting pipeline for weapons and munitions, and send all the funds appropriated by the end of the calendar year. It also needs to lift the restrictions on the use of US made weapons and munitions and those made with US components.

The former US negotiator on the Russia-Ukraine conflict says Trump wants the war over before taking office, success hangs on being tough on Putin who will have demands.

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— The Kyiv Independent (@kyivindependent.com) November 6, 2024 at 4:56 PM

Here’s some excerpts of The Kyiv Independent‘s interview with Ambassador Volker:

Ambassador Kurt Volker is one person with a wealth of experience in issues Trump is likely to face regarding Russia’s war against Ukraine.

Volker served as the U.S. special representative for Ukraine negotiations in 2017-2019, during Trump’s previous tenure. In this role, he held negotiations between Kyiv and senior members of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s administration as an intermediary while coordinating with European allies on efforts to end Russia’s initial invasion of the eastern Donbas region in 2014, following its occupation of Ukraine’s Crimean Peninsula earlier that year.

Before this, Volker served as U.S. ambassador to the NATO military alliance in 2008-2009.

The Kyiv Independent spoke to Volker via video call a few hours after the election result was called to ask how he sees outgoing U.S. President Joe Biden‘s last months in office, Trump’s return to the presidency, and what it could mean for Ukraine.

This interview has been edited for length and clarity.

The Kyiv Independent: In terms of Ukraine, there’s been a lot already said about what Trump might do once he’s in office, but we still have more than two months of the Biden administration. Do you think we can expect anything surprising from Biden before he leaves office?

Kurt Volker: There has been some discussion that I’ve heard within the administration about the idea of making a gesture in the direction of Ukraine’s NATO membership, or also about approving the use of long-range weapons (to strike deep inside Russia), something that the Biden administration has denied until now.

On NATO membership, we have to be very, very careful. You don’t want to put that out prematurely. You don’t want it to be uncoordinated with allies. We had an opportunity to do this leading up to the Washington summit this summer, and we didn’t do it. So to bring it up in the last moments of the Biden administration now does not seem to be the wisest choice. It needs to be better coordinated.

On the use of weapons, however, I think the Biden administration would be very well advised simply to just drop its objections. Just let Ukraine use the weapons we’ve given them. And this can be done quietly, it doesn’t have to be a big announcement. It can be done on a case-by-case basis, if the Biden administration insists.

But there’s no justification for allowing Russia to attack Ukraine from anywhere, and to tell Ukraine that they must not strike back.

The Kyiv Independent: Once Trump does take office, how far up his agenda do you think Ukraine will actually be?

Kurt Volker: I think he’s going to make a phone call to Putin as quickly as possible and tell Putin that he needs to stop the war, that the fighting has to stop, and that there has to be peace. And that will start a discussion about how that actually happens. And what I expect to happen is that Putin will have demands.

Putin will say ‘I need this, I need this, I need this.’ And I think Trump will say ‘no, you stop the war.’  But I do think it happens quite quickly, I don’t think Trump wants to see this war continue once he’s actually in office.

The Kyiv Independent: Trump obviously prides himself on being a bit of a dealmaker. How tricky an opponent do you think Putin will be in terms of actually arriving at a deal?

Kurt Volker: I think (Russian President Vladimir) Putin is the most cunning and wily opponent you could possibly have because he has no issues with lying, deceit, cheating, attacking, killing — everything you can imagine. Putin’s interest is not a deal. Putin’s interest is to take, he wants to take all of Ukraine.

And therefore, if you want to stop the war, if you want peace, as Trump says that he does, then what you need to do is convince Putin that it’s going to hurt him, that it’s going to cost him too much if he pursues the war. And that’s going to require showing much more strength.

And Trump has talked about this. He talks about Biden as being a very weak president.

And the implication is that Trump sees himself as a strong president. And he’s going to need to show some strength to Putin in order to get Putin to decide that it’s time to end the war.

The Kyiv Independent: Can you elaborate on some possible scenarios for how Trump can show that strength?

Kurt Volker: And then, when it comes to Ukraine itself, I think he’s going to seek support for a lend-lease program, letting Ukraine borrow money in order to buy American weapons. It’s something that was on the books for two years and never used during the Biden administration.

I don’t think Trump wants to spend American taxpayers’ money on Ukraine, but to allow Ukraine to borrow what it needs to defend itself. I think he would be inclined to do it. And if you make it big enough, if you make it, say, $500 billion, a huge number, that should be enough to tell Putin he can’t outspend this, he can’t win this, and that could also point the way towards a settlement.

The Kyiv Independent: If Trump proved anything during his last term in office, it was that he was quite unpredictable. Are there any curveball scenarios that you can envisage happening?

Kurt Volker: I suppose that’s what Putin is thinking about. Can Putin create a curveball scenario? Can he throw something on the table completely unexpected that gets us off track? Maybe Putin will actually come forward with a proposal that is far more reasonable than anything that Putin has proposed until now. Can that distract us? I think that would be the curveball scenario.

The Kyiv Independent: There’s a slightly somber mood in Kyiv this morning. Do you think that it’s justified, or should Ukrainians be more optimistic?

Ambassador Kurt Volker: Well, I wouldn’t say that people should be optimistic or somber. I’d say that people should stay determined. Ukraine is in the fight of its life. It has to win.

More at the link!

I think there’s a lot of motivated thinking in Ambassador Volker’s answers.

Poland:

Prime Minister Tusk:

Harris or Trump? Some claim that the future of Europe depends on the American elections, while it depends first and foremost on us. On condition Europe finally grows up and believes in its own strength. Whatever the outcome, the era of geopolitical outsourcing is over.

Germany:

It appears that Olaf Scholz has collapsed his coalition government by sacking the German Finance Minister. Politico Europe has the details:

Germany’s three-party ruling coalition collapsed on Wednesday evening after Chancellor Olaf Scholz announced he will fire Finance Minister Christian Lindner over persistent rifts on spending and economic reforms, a move that paves the way for a snap election within months.

The firing effectively ejects Lindner’s fiscally conservative Free Democratic Party  (FDP) from the troubled coalition, forcing Scholz to call for a confidence vote that he said would take place on January 15. If, as is likely, Scholz loses that vote, a snap election is set to take place by March.

The renewed political instability in Germany came just hours after Donald Trump’s clear win in the U.S. election, a result that stunned German political leaders, who depend on American military might for their country’s defense and fear Trump’s tariff policies will hobble German industry.

“Dear fellow citizens, I would have liked to have spared you this difficult decision, especially in times like these, when uncertainty is growing,” said Scholz in a statement at the chancellery.

But the rifts inside the coalition proved too great to overcome. Lindner and his FDP insisted that the German government stick to strict spending rules and cut taxes, even as his left-wing coalition partners wanted to maintain social spending and boost German industry through economic stimulus.

“All too often, Minister Lindner has blocked laws in an inappropriate manner,” said Scholz in a statement. “Too often he has engaged in petty party-political tactics. Too often he has broken my trust.”

Scholz said he had asked Linder to ease spending rules to allow more Ukraine aid, but Lindner refused, saying such a move would have “violated my oath of office.” Linder also attacked Scholz’s response to Germany’s economic weakness.

“Olaf Scholz has long failed to recognise the need for a new economic awakening in our country,” said Lindner in a statement. “He has long played down the economic concerns of our citizens.”

The FDP is the smallest party in the coalition and is now polling at only 4 percent — below the threshold needed to make it into the German parliament — meaning its leaders have been mulling a coalition break in order to save their political futures. By firing Lindner, Scholz appeared to be beating the FDP to the punch.

A snap election would likely usher in a new government led by the center-right Christian Democratic Union (CDU), which currently leads in polls by a wide margin. CDU leaders have taken a sharp turn to the right on migration in recent years, while also advocating for more robust military aid for Ukraine.

More at the link.

I will remind everyone that “may you live in interesting times” is not supposed to be a mission statement!!!

Dagestan, Russia:

Ukraine used a drone to strike the port of Kaspiysk. There is video at the link from Special Kherson Cat.

Another video of today’s drone strike on Russian port in Kaspiysk. ~1000km from the frontline.

From The Kyiv Independent:

Editor’s note: The article was updated with additional details from the Kyiv Independent’s sources.

Ukraine’s military intelligence was behind a drone attack against the city of Kaspiysk in Russia’s Dagestan Republic, targeting a Russian naval base, a source in the agency told the Kyiv Independent on Nov. 6.

At least two vessels – missile ships Tatarstan and Dagestan – were damaged in the attack, and possibly also several small Project 21631 ships, sources said.

Dagestan authorities reported intercepting a drone attack over Kaspiysk, a port city at the Caspian Sea around 1,000 kilometers from the front line (600 miles), on the morning of Nov. 6.

Andrii Kovalenko, the head of the counter-disinformation center at Ukraine’s National Security and Defense Council, also said on Telegram that a Russian naval base was hit in the attack.

“Russian Navy ships are stationed in Kaspiysk,” he said. The base is home to Russia’s Caspian Flotilla, as well as Russian Marines and Coastal Troops.

Sources said that the targeted fleet was involved in strikes against Ukraine, and the 177th Marine Regiment stationed there was deployed in combat in Kherson and Zaporizhzhia oblasts.

While Russian authorities claimed to have intercepted a single drone in the skies, a video shared on social media appears to show another drone hitting its target, resulting in a large explosion.

The incident took place roughly 15 kilometers from a local airport, the Mash news channel claimed, identifying the drone as a Ukrainian A-22 Flying Fox drone.

The nearby Makhachkala airport has suspended operations for an indefinite period due to the incident, local authorities said.

The Kyiv Independent could not verify the claims.

Video and images at the link.

The Kursk cross border offensive:

From The Kyiv Post:

Russian forces have suffered 7,905 soldiers killed, 12,220 injured, and 717 captured during almost three months of the Kursk incursion, Ukraine’s Commander-in-Chief Oleksandr Syrskyi said on Nov. 6.

Over the same period, Moscow’s military also lost 1,101 pieces of equipment, including 54 tanks, 276 armored vehicles, 107 artillery pieces and mortars, and five anti-aircraft weapons, according to the commander.

Ukraine launched its cross-border incursion in early August to prevent Russian cross-border strikes and draw Russian forces away from the embattled Donbas region, where Moscow keeps steadily advancing.

According to Syrskyi, Russia has already concentrated 45,000 troops in Kursk Oblast to counter the ongoing Ukrainian incursion.

Moscow has also deployed thousands of North Korean troops in the embattled region, with some reportedly already clashing with Ukraine in small-scale engagements.

The Kursk incursion was also intended to preempt a Russian plan to invade Sumy Oblast to create a “buffer zone” in northern Ukraine, Syrskyi said, citing intelligence reports from May.

Russia has been mounting pressure against the Ukrainian salient in Kursk Oblast while also advancing in Ukraine’s east at a pace unseen in 2024, steadily pushing back Ukrainian defenders.

That’s enough for tonight.

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Wednesday Evening Open Thread: Kamala Harris’ Concession Speech

by Anne Laurie|  November 6, 20245:56 pm| 114 Comments

This post is in: Elections 2024, Kamala Harris for President, Open Threads, Proud to Be A Democrat

“While I concede this election, I do not concede the fight that fueled this campaign. The fight for freedom, for opportunity, for fairness, and the dignity of all people.”

— Kamala Harris in her concession speech. pic.twitter.com/38zUS1YXFB

— Pop Base (@PopBase) November 6, 2024

Kamala Harris: And so to everyone who is watching, do not despair. This is not a time to throw up our hands. This is a time to roll up our sleeves. This is a time to organize, to mobilize, and to stay engaged. pic.twitter.com/t9uiVrJ0cA

— Acyn (@Acyn) November 6, 2024

Kamala Harris delivers a gracious and classy concession speech.

Difficult to hear, but necessary.
Incredibly well done. ???????? pic.twitter.com/YEmCfucTZl

— BrooklynDad_Defiant!?? (@mmpadellan) November 6, 2024

"Sometimes the fight takes a while."

Here is the full entire concession speech from VP Kamala Harris at Howard University.

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— Art Candee ???? (@ArtCandee) November 6, 2024

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