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DeSantis: Horrible Fascist Bullies Kids

by TaMara|  September 1, 20235:21 pm| 43 Comments

This post is in: 2024 Primaries, Elections 2024, Open Threads, Politics, Republican Stupidity

Not to step on Betty C’s territory, but this was infuriating:

New — Quinn Mitchell, a teenager in NH known for his sharp questions, is coming forward for the first time in @thedailybeast to detail his nightmarish experiences with DeSantis security.

It all started with a simple question, but got uglier from there:https://t.co/6VznjVlSU3

— Jake Lahut (@JakeLahut) September 1, 2023

Excerpts, but please read the entire article, worth your time, though it may elevate your blood pressure:

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Quinn Mitchell has seen at least 35 presidential candidates in person since 2019, when he first started showing up at New Hampshire primary events to ask them questions.

Not a single one of them had ever treated the now-15-year-old as if he were a threat—until came to town.

It all started with a straightforward question. In June, when DeSantis stopped for a town hall event in Hollis, Mitchell raised his hand in the crowd.

“Do you believe that Trump violated the peaceful transfer of power,” the teenager asked the governor, “a key principle of American democracy that we must uphold?”

DeSantis dodged the question and said Americans shouldn’t get stuck in the past, but not before remarking—in a somewhat impressed, incredulous tone—on Mitchell’s age. “Are you in high school?” the governor asked.

The moment went viral, with DeSantis’ non-answer encapsulating how even Donald Trump’s lead primary rival could not bring himself to acknowledge the former president’s efforts to undo the 2020 election. CNN even played it during an interview with Chris Christie to tee up a question to the Trump foe.

For Mitchell, however, the exchange kicked off a series of events that deeply rattled him and his family.

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At a Fourth of July parade DeSantis attended, Mitchell was swarmed by security and physically restrained after a brief interaction with the governor—with his private security contractors even demanding Mitchell stay put until they said so.

With his mother alarmed, the situation escalated to such a degree that the candidate’s wife, Casey, spoke directly with her—but to suggest her son was being dishonest about what happened, according to Mitchell.

Then, at an August 19 event—where Mitchell was tailed closely by two security guards—an attendee told The Daily Beast they saw a staffer for DeSantis’ super PAC, Never Back Down, take a photo of the teenager on Snapchat before typing out an ominous caption: “Got our kid.”

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In New Hampshire, they’ve already pushed a precocious and passionate teenager to consider quitting politics altogether.

“I may be older now and know I can handle this a lot more, but if they had done that to me a few years back, I don’t know if I could have handled that,” Mitchell said. “It’s unfortunate, because I just want to ask my question.”

In the nation’s first primary state, where individual voters can have an outsized impact on the process, Mitchell made himself a staple of the New Hampshire political scene before he was even a teenager.

A self-described political independent who loves history and politics, Mitchell sees it as his “civic duty” to show up to ask questions, especially on behalf of “people who live in other states and the people who want to ask those questions,” who “don’t always get the opportunity.”

Before DeSantis, presidential candidates have not just tolerated the teenager but seemed to genuinely appreciate him. In the 2020 Democratic primary, Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-MN) met with Mitchell and later worked his enthusiasm for politics into her stump speech.

More recently, Christie not only gave him a shoutout during the CNN interview—“he goes to every town hall meeting… he asks really tough questions”—but was quoted in a recent USA Today profile of Mitchell. “Quinn, remember me when you are president,” the former New Jersey governor quipped.
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After his question about Jan. 6 blew up on DeSantis, Mitchell—who was not intending to land a punch on the governor—said he “genuinely felt bad about it.” A few days later, he woke up early for the hour-and-a-half drive to Merrimack, where he intended to personally say as much to DeSantis at the town’s Fourth of July parade.

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Read more here it gets worse

The Fourth of July parade part is truly frightening. He was grabbed and restrained by a mass of DeSantis goons and then when his mom protested, Casey DeSantis weighed in, saying her son was “exaggerating” the incident. According to bystanders, he was not.

DeFascist really cannot go away soon enough.

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Roadblock: New Front in the War on Women

by Betty Cracker|  September 1, 20231:44 pm| 240 Comments

This post is in: Elections 2024, Justice, Open Threads, Politics, Republican Stupidity, The War On Women

In the morning thread, Kay flagged an excellent WaPo article by reporter Caroline Kitchener about the latest misogynistic madness happening in Texas. Here’s a reusable gift link, and please feel free to share it widely because this story demonstrates the lines anti-abortion fanatics are willing to cross in their never-ending quest to control and unperson women.

More than a year after Roe v. Wade was overturned, many conservatives have grown frustrated by the number of people able to circumvent antiabortion laws — with some advocates grasping for even stricter measures they hope will fully eradicate abortion nationwide.

That frustration is driving a new strategy in heavily conservative cities and counties across Texas. Designed by the architects of the state’s “heartbeat” ban that took effect months before Roe fell, ordinances like the one proposed in Llano — where some 80 percent of voters in the county backed President Donald Trump in 2020 — make it illegal to transport anyone to get an abortion on roads within the city or county limits. The laws allow any private citizen to sue a person or organization they suspect of violating the ordinance.

It sounds deranged because it IS deranged, but public roads are the new front in the war on women. The Stasi-like “private citizen” enforcement mechanism both empowers creepy busybodies to surveil women and makes it harder for abortion rights groups to sue to stop this chilling imposition of theocratic control.

Antiabortion advocates behind the measure are targeting regions along interstates and in areas with airports, with the goal of blocking off the main arteries out of Texas and keeping pregnant women hemmed within the confines of their antiabortion state. These provisions have already passed in two counties and two cities, creating legal risk for those traveling on major highways including Interstate 20 and Route 84, which head toward New Mexico, where abortion remains legal and new clinics have opened to accommodate Texas women. Several more jurisdictions are expected to vote on the measure in the coming weeks.

“This really is building a wall to stop abortion trafficking,” said Mark Lee Dickson, the antiabortion activist behind the effort.

This isn’t the first fetus-fetish rodeo for Dickson, who is a neck-bearded preacher, avid Trump supporter and self-described “36-year-old virgin.” As the article notes, he has worked with former Texas solicitor general Jonathan Mitchell for several years to deny women bodily autonomy. Before Roe fell, the two lobbied conservative areas to create “sanctuary cities” (for fetuses) and pioneered the tattle-tale enforcement mechanism for the so-called “heartbeat bill” that became state law after the Dobbs decision.

They’re hopping mad that women are evading their forced-birth dragnet, and they won’t stop until every uterus is state property. It’s an absolutely preposterous level of government overreach, especially from people who call themselves “small-government conservatives” in other contexts. It’s yet another demonstration that the Repub “small government” stance is a big fat lie.

Anyhoo, the article notes that a Missouri state lawmaker introduced a similar bill last year and that a lookalike law that applies to minors seeking an abortion is already in force in Idaho as of April. I expect it will spread to other red states because theocratic laws designed to oppress women and LGBTQ people tend to be more contagious among Repubs than Herman Cain at his final Trump rally.

Years ago, I used to pay so-called “pro-lifers” the courtesy of assuming they were sincere about their professed beliefs, even though I thought those beliefs irrelevant to lawmaking. I was wrong to do so.

The anti-abortion movement was and is and always will be about controlling women and driving them out of public life outside of rigid, gender-based, dependent roles. The same is true of these same people’s fanatical persecution of queer people. They’re misogynistic bigots, and they are liars.

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Open Thread (and reminder: NYC Meet-up This Sunday (9/3) at 4 pm)

by WaterGirl|  September 1, 202312:00 pm| 39 Comments

This post is in: Balloon Juice, Meetups, Open Threads

In case you missed it, NotMax is in NYC this weekend, and there is a meetup on Sunday.

REMINDER

NYC Meet-up

Sunday, September 3rd, 4 – 8 p.m.

The Baylander

Take the A or the 1 subway to 125th Street, then the M125 bus west to 12th Avenue/ St. Claire Place stop (or can walk west). The Baylander is on the Hudson River at 125th street. Open air venue.

I imagine NotMax has a list, but I’m curious – who all is planning to attend?

Also, I want the Friday afternoon news dump, early please!

Open thread.

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Rare Birds (Open Thread)

by Betty Cracker|  September 1, 202310:05 am| 108 Comments

This post is in: Birdwatching, Open Threads

Yesterday, Tampa Bay Times columnist Stephanie Hayes tracked down visual evidence that a flamboyance of flamingos arrived in the area with the storm:

Flamingos have a fraught relationship with Florida. They were ubiquitous in the state until hunted almost to extinction more than 100 years ago, mostly for the purpose of obtaining their vivid feathers to decorate ladies’ hats. After that, flamingos were rarely spotted in the state outside of theme parks and remote areas of Florida Bay between the tip of the Everglades and the Keys.

That said, flamingo visitations concurrent with tropical storms are not unheard of around here. The article mentions a lone flamingo in the Panhandle that is thought to have arrived there with Hurricane Michael in 2018. It has been regularly spotted since then at St. Mark’s National Wildlife Refuge.

And sometimes, if you’re in the right place at the right time, you might see a flamingo unexpectedly. Back in the mid-aughties, I saw one at sunrise after a sleepless night boat camping with my family on a tiny island in Tampa Bay that locals call Beer Can Island.

I’m too paranoid to sleep well during camping trips, so I’d been up all night tending a small campfire on the beach, drinking coffee and watching the distant tankers and tugboats pass by on their way into or out of the port terminals. I spotted the bird in the first rays of dawn. I disbelieved my eyes at first, but the unmistakable silhouette convinced me that I was really looking at a flamingo.

I wasn’t close enough to tell if it was a banded theme park escapee or a wild bird. It was about 50 yards away, and I didn’t dare go closer because our dog (good old Bart! — our first boxer!) was asleep at my feet. I feared if I moved, Bart would wake up and scare the bird away. So I sat still and watched the flamingo grow impossibly pinker in the strengthening sunlight that burned away the morning mist.

After a while, the flamingo stretched out its astonishingly wide pink and black-edged wings and flew off west, toward the Gulf. I got out of my camp chair and stretched, watching it go. Bart and I wandered over to inspect the spit where the flamingo had stood in the mist, like a vision, just minutes before.

There was a single pink feather on the sand. I picked it up and used it to decorate my bedraggled sun hat.

Open thread!

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Friday Morning Open Thread: Putting in the Work At FEMA Headquarters

by Anne Laurie|  September 1, 20237:16 am| 184 Comments

This post is in: C.R.E.A.M., How about that weather?, Open Threads, President Biden, Proud to Be A Democrat

Biden visits FEMA headquarters in Washington, D.C. to thank workers for assisting in recent disasters:

“We're not this engaged this often. But these last couple of years, with climate change and really kicking in, you guys are going 24 hours a day and 365 days a year.” pic.twitter.com/W1eLkIunx9

— The Recount (@therecount) August 31, 2023

When doing the right thing is also doing the smart thing…

Biden called for lawmakers to provide significantly more emergency funding for natural disaster recovery after Idalia's landfall.“We’re going to need a whole hell of a lot more money to deal all you’re taking care of,” he said at FEMA. via @gardnerakayla https://t.co/u5f0qNLM1L

— Jennifer Jacobs (@JenniferJJacobs) August 31, 2023

New: Pres. Joe Biden tells reporters at FEMA HQ he plans to travel to Florida Saturday after Hurricane Idalia battered the state, repeated calls on Congress "to make sure [FEMA's] able to have the funds to be able to continue to show up and meet the needs of the American people." pic.twitter.com/xbhHl6wjfc

— DJ Judd (@DJJudd) August 31, 2023

President Biden makes unannounced stop at FEMA and says he spoke again with Gov DeSantis of FL and Gov McMasters of SC. The president is thanking FEMA HQ staff.

— Kelly O'Donnell (@KellyO) August 31, 2023

Reporter: Mr. President, a government shutdown, how would that affect FEMA?

Biden: It would be a serious, serious problem. I'm hoping that there's greater maturity to prevent that from happening pic.twitter.com/4PngQgvpnJ

— Acyn (@Acyn) August 31, 2023

Peter Baker: What, no paper towels to throw? Doesn’t Biden understand photo ops?

The president came with a pizza delivery for FEMA workers, per WH.

— Akayla Gardner (@gardnerakayla) August 31, 2023

President Biden visited FEMA headquarters for the 2nd time this week, with the clear undertone to the media of "I can't expect you people to otherwise reasonably cover the work 1000s of professionals are doing on the ground, so here is your big shiny object, you dumbasses." pic.twitter.com/NVICzFRef1

— The Biden Accomplishments Guy (on Threads) (@What46HasDone) August 31, 2023

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Late Night Schadenfreude Open Thread: Blake Masters RETVRNs*

by Anne Laurie|  August 31, 202310:27 pm| 102 Comments

This post is in: 2024 Primaries, Open Threads, Proud to Be A Democrat, Republican Stupidity, Republicans in Disarray!, Riveted By The Sociological Significance Of It All, Schadenfreude

Get in losers, let's go losing. (tm @justkarl ) https://t.co/8L3V4sc7Ih

— Sonny Bunch (@SonnyBunch) August 31, 2023

he's going to top it this time with an ad that's supposed to be barbecue and gives the distinct impression he's consuming human flesh https://t.co/NKkdGQAIIZ

— James Palmer (@BeijingPalmer) August 31, 2023

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Good news for Sinema, whose path to victory so far as I can tell is to scoop the guts out of the Republican candidate’s coalition https://t.co/UhHoEfbOuL

— post malone ergo propter malone (@PropterMalone) August 30, 2023

This is one fruit of the election fraud conspiracies that have metastasized within the GOP.

When every loss (even an ass kicking like what Mark Kelly did to Masters in ‘22) is waved away using conspiracy logic, there’s no such thing as a bad campaign or bad candidate. https://t.co/qRCQwXzqy3

— Conner Hafen (@Conblob) August 30, 2023

Masters’ 2022 run was the stuff of nightmares — one of the most incompetent, hollowed-out operations you could imagine with abysmal candidate favorables. I see little reason for this to change in 2022.

If Rs nominate him or Lake (the two frontrunners!), Gallego would feel great. https://t.co/3XrdkFM5LW

— Lakshya Jain (@lxeagle17) August 30, 2023

Given that healthy political parties have an autoimmune response to ostracize losing candidates, I expect both Kari Lake and Blake Masters to lose the primary https://t.co/SaSOi0yEEW

— Special Puppy ???? (@SpecialPuppy1) August 30, 2023

Just In: Blake Masters, the venture capitalist who lost last year after calling to privatize Social Security, is planning to run against Kari Lake for the Republican Senate nomination.

The Democratic candidate to support is @RubenGallego.

🔗https://t.co/67HqaqiBBq pic.twitter.com/4haOzrLpHL

— No Lie with Brian Tyler Cohen (@NoLieWithBTC) August 30, 2023

The DSCC when it sees a possible Senate field of Kari Lake/Blake Masters (Arizona), David Clarke (Wisconsin), Matt Rosendale (Montana), Sam Brown (Nevada), and Bernie Moreno (Ohio): pic.twitter.com/SuMT6q4c59

— Lakshya Jain (@lxeagle17) August 30, 2023

And of course, Marine veteran Ruben Gallego is a very strong nominee

He'll have a high floor of support (~40%) from Hispanics, Natives, and white progressives

As long as neither Sinema or Lake dominate the rest of the vote, he's the heavy favorite

— Brent Peabody ???????? (@brent_peabody) August 30, 2023

<whispers> If the polls in the GOP race continue in a similar fashion we will know the AZ results by 8pm anyway. https://t.co/zrblBmKRtd

— The AZ – abc15 – Data Guru (@Garrett_Archer) August 30, 2023

less than 50 grand in the AZGOP bank account and a freak show primary? now you take this home, throw Wendy Rogers in the pot, add some broth, a potato, baby, you’ve got a stew going. pic.twitter.com/f8yCqpKk1Y

— anthony musa (@anthonydmusa) August 30, 2023

*“Calls for a ‘return’ to a non-existent past are seductive precisely because it did not exist.”

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Thursday Evening Open Thread: Mitch McConnell Is ‘Medically Clear’

by Anne Laurie|  August 31, 20237:07 pm| 154 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Republican Politics

Mitch McConnell is "medically clear" to continue work after yesterday's freezing scare, the U.S. Capitol doctor says in a statement. @alivitali reports. pic.twitter.com/gCNEH1CCo2

— MSNBC (@MSNBC) August 31, 2023

Mitch McConnell will only leave his Senate office feet-first… possibly some time after he is dead.

No Senator from Kentucky has been replaced in the year before a presidential election. If McConnell can’t continue to serve we’ll just have to keep the seat open until the voters can decide. https://t.co/F2ag5PGGPT

— Dana Houle (@DanaHoule) August 30, 2023

Actual Grim Reaper is going to show up with this 2019 article like "this you?" pic.twitter.com/aBMjGZGfNA

— Parker Molloy (@ParkerMolloy) August 30, 2023

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McConnell isn’t too old to be Senate minority leader. He’s too sick and frail to be Senate minority leader. Let’s stop conflating health with age. There are some people older than 81 in good enough health to do all sorts of jobs well, and many who aren’t. https://t.co/KB4Tf3ZevG

— @ijbailey (@ijbailey) August 30, 2023

When I look at the video of a clearly struggling Mitch McConnell, I think about how scary and difficult that must be, and how hard McConnell has worked throughout his life to ensure that the end of people's lives are as difficult and scary a struggle as they can possibly be made.

— A.R. Moxon (@JuliusGoat) August 31, 2023

It's not old age Biden just fucking drugs his coffee now https://t.co/0zkci5wmLs

— AquaImperium (@aquaimperium8) August 31, 2023

Bruh, after his treatment of President Obama, I have NO bad feelings about him falling prey to non-function. NONE. Steal a judge away(or 100+) and steal women's bodily autonomy rights, and I'm not gonna mourn when bad fortune smacks you upside the head. Not sorry.

— Michael Belle (@cmichaelbelle) August 31, 2023

Amazing that we spent years talking about how Pelosi not stepping down as chair was proof of Democrats being cripplingly gerontocratic and now the GOP senate minority leader is stroking out on live TV every other week

— Gas Stove Prayer Warrior (@canderaid) August 30, 2023

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