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No offense, but this thread hasn’t been about you for quite a while.

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Trumpflation is an intolerable hardship for every American, and it’s Trump’s fault.

Donald Trump found guilty as fuck – May 30, 2024!

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Perhaps you mistook them for somebody who gives a damn.

If you can’t control your emotions, someone else will.

Stop using mental illness to avoid talking about armed white supremacy.

I really should read my own blog.

Stand up, dammit!

Is trump is trying to break black America over his knee? signs point to ‘yes’.

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How Is This Possible Open Thread

by WaterGirl|  August 16, 20259:00 pm| 108 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads

How is it possible that the same screen on Weather Underground that predicts 0.02 inches of rain also has a link to a severe thunderstorm warning?

  • With 60 mph wind gusts and nickel size hail.
  • With damage to roofs, siding, and trees.
  • With torrential rainfall and flash flooding.

Does not compute.

Unfortunately, the sky has that creepy yellow tint to it that never means anything good.

What kinds of things seem impossible to you guys?

Totally open thread.

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War for Ukraine Day 1,269: The Aftermath

by Adam L Silverman|  August 16, 20258:54 pm| 30 Comments

This post is in: Foreign Affairs, Foreign Policy, Military, Open Threads, Russia, Silverman on Security, War, War in Ukraine

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There was no address today from President Zelenskyy. He had a call with Trump and is preparing to travel to the US tomorrow to meet with Trump in person on Monday.

The bottom line up front:

Lasting peace is impossible without justice.

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— Olena Halushka (@halushka.bsky.social) August 16, 2025 at 8:45 AM

Europe’s most solid security guarantee today is the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

It’s in Europe’s best interest to ensure the AFU have everything they need in time to defeat the russian imperial conquest.

— Olena Halushka (@halushka.bsky.social) August 16, 2025 at 2:10 PM

The details of the Trump-Putin summit have begun leaking out. They’re as bad as we were expecting.

Trump told European leaders that a peace deal could be reached quickly if Zelenskyy agreed to cede the entire Donbas region – NYT

​In return, Putin reportedly offered a ceasefire along the current front lines and a written promise not to attack Ukraine or Europe again. (LOL)

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— Kate from Kharkiv (@kateinkharkiv.bsky.social) August 16, 2025 at 10:11 AM

This is actually an excellent summary of recent events.

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— George Conway 👊🇺🇸🔥 (@gtconway.bsky.social) August 16, 2025 at 9:07 AM

Here’s an easier to read screen shot of the Truth Social post:

Thus, it appears Trump has dropped his earlier demand for an immediate ceasefire before peace talks—a position Ukraine had previously accepted—and now supports negotiations on a lasting peace while fighting continues, a stance the Kremlin has consistently pushed since the last Istanbul talks.

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— WarTranslated (Dmitri) (@wartranslated.bsky.social) August 16, 2025 at 5:32 AM

Thank you for your attention to this matter!!!!

Putin is, of course, rubbing Trump’s nose in it:

Putin said he seeks a swift resolution to the war “by peaceful means” and claimed his meeting with Trump “brought the sides closer to the right decisions.” However, he again insisted that addressing the so-called “root causes” of the war must be the basis for any settlement.

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— WarTranslated (Dmitri) (@wartranslated.bsky.social) August 16, 2025 at 11:34 AM

I will once again remind everyone that for Putin, the root causes of the war is that Ukraine exists separate from Russia and that Ukrainians refuse to become subordinated to Russia as lesser Russians and second class Russian citizens. For Putin, the only way to address the root cause of the war is to give Ukraine to Russia.

As are his information warfare folks:

Ouch. But this was 100% ordered and directed by the U.S. Commander in Chief, not something the Russians did to us.

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— David Burbach (@dburbach.bsky.social) August 16, 2025 at 1:18 PM

So both Putin and Trump went to an AF Base in Alaska. Each had a set of demands. Trump accepted all of Putin’s demands and then said he would convince Ukraine and Europe to accept them. And both then went home. Do I have this right?

— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm.bsky.social) August 16, 2025 at 3:21 PM

The main impression of the Trump-Putin meeting is that Trump is subservient to Putin.
Putin offered no ceasefire & as expected Trump ignored that he had promised “severe consequences” in that case.
God help Zelensky when he faces Putin’s servant in the White House!

— Anders Åslund (@andersaslund.bsky.social) August 16, 2025 at 9:58 AM

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Georgia:

Day 263 of daily protests in Georgia.

People continue to gather daily in 8+ cities.

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— Rusudan Djakeli (@rusudandjakeli.bsky.social) August 16, 2025 at 1:09 PM

#GeorgiaProtests
Day 263

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— Publika.ge (@publikage.bsky.social) August 16, 2025 at 2:54 PM

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— Marika Mikiashvili 🇬🇪🇺🇦🇪🇺 (@marikamikiashvili.bsky.social) August 16, 2025 at 12:46 PM

Two more protesters, Tornike Toshkhua & Minda Shervashidze, were arrested in Georgia. They confronted a pro-gov’t provocateur who showed up with a knife—yet police jailed them, not him. The man is linked to Bera Ivanishvili-linked call centers that scam Europeans out of millions.

— Rusudan Djakeli (@rusudandjakeli.bsky.social) August 16, 2025 at 1:02 PM

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— Marika Mikiashvili 🇬🇪🇺🇦🇪🇺 (@marikamikiashvili.bsky.social) August 16, 2025 at 5:00 AM

The EU and the UK:

EU and UK leaders rule out any limits on arms supplies to Kyiv or rejection of Ukraine’s integration into the EU and NATO, according to a joint statement.

— WarTranslated (Dmitri) (@wartranslated.bsky.social) August 16, 2025 at 5:49 AM

The US:

Some political pundits are already sharing this image as an example of how Putin should be dealt with. Unfortunately, it’s a terrible example. Ukraine was repeatedly warned not to escalate or use weapons while Russia occupied Crimea. At that time, we didn’t receive military aid, sanctions were weak

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— Tatarigami (@tatarigami.bsky.social) August 16, 2025 at 12:23 AM

2/ At that time, John Kerry, Barack Obama, and Joe Biden directly pressured Kyiv, while Oleksandr Turchynov, the temporary/acting president, was assured that a diplomatic resolution was possible

— Tatarigami (@tatarigami.bsky.social) August 16, 2025 at 12:23 AM

3/ The response was so weak that Russia continued its operations in eastern Ukraine, including Kharkiv and Odesa. It only stopped when Ukrainians pushed back with force. President Obama’s handling of the situation does not deserve praise.

— Tatarigami (@tatarigami.bsky.social) August 16, 2025 at 12:23 AM

Before anyone asks, Tatarigami is 100% correct here. The strategic calculus among Obama and his senior natsec team was straight up the textbook/war college seminar answer: We’re not going to risk going to war with another nuclear power over Crimea or the Donbas. That was the strategic calculus. I know because to my eternal shame & damnation, I’m the one who made the same statement in the first Operational Planning Team meeting we held at US Army Europe on this. While that was the technically correct answer, it was the morally incorrect one. It was also the incorrect one in terms of the reality that was Putin & Russia in 2014, let alone 2025. The only comfort I have is that the decisions were going to be made in DC not Wiesbaden. But that’s little and cold comfort at best. My job was to give the senior leader I was advising the best, timely, most accurate information to inform his planning & decision-making. The bottom line is I failed him, my colleagues on the staff, the American people who paid my salary, and the Ukrainians that day. So you can trust me when I say that was the strategic calculus being used by the National Command Authority back in DC.

Scoop: Putin demanded Ukraine withdraw from Donetsk region as condition for ending Russia’s war but told Trump he could freeze the rest of the frontline if his core demands were met.

w/ FT comrades Amy Mackinnon @maxseddon.bsky.social @chassnews.bsky.social
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— Christopher Miller (@christopherjm.ft.com) August 16, 2025 at 9:56 AM

More: Trump told Zelensky that Putin appeared open to talks over returning small parts of the Sumy & Kharkiv regions occupied by his army to Kyiv’s control. But the official dismissed the offer as unserious, since Russia’s grip on those areas is minimal.
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— Christopher Miller (@christopherjm.ft.com) August 16, 2025 at 3:24 PM

Another source said Zelensky welcomed Trump’s apparent willingness to offer US security guarantees to Ukraine but said their extent was yet to be determined. The two presidents will discuss the matter further on Monday. www.ft.com/content/6b0b…

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— Christopher Miller (@christopherjm.ft.com) August 16, 2025 at 3:24 PM

Those guarantees would not be worth the paper they’re written on.

Don’t forget, Putin has been trying to seize Donetsk and Luhansk since 2014.

Nothing like rewarding a war criminal for an illegal, 11+ year invasion

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— Nina Jankowicz (@ninajankowicz.com) August 16, 2025 at 11:12 AM

The fact Trump thinks this is good progress, & that he is urging Ukraine & its European allies to negotiate on this basis without even demanding a ceasefire now, shd finally convince European leaders to ignore the US & do what’s needed for their own security – ie ensure Ukraine wins & Russia loses.

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— Ian Bond (@cerianbond.bsky.social) August 16, 2025 at 11:45 AM

“Trump on Saturday split from Ukraine and key European allies after his summit with Putin, adopting Putin’s plan for a sweeping peace agreement based on Ukraine ceding unoccupied territory to Russia, instead of the urgent cease-fire Trump had said he wanted before the meeting.”

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— Iryna Voichuk (@irynavoichuk.bsky.social) August 16, 2025 at 10:26 AM

We’ve got some press leaks following yesterday’s Trump-Putin summit, and everything’s unfolding exactly as expected. Let’s walk through it:

(Long thread)

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— Kate from Kharkiv (@kateinkharkiv.bsky.social) August 16, 2025 at 2:35 PM

-Putin asked Trump to recognize Crimea, Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson, and Zaporizhzhia as part of Russia.

-He also wants to grant the Russian language “official” status.

And to guarantee “security for Russian Orthodox churches.”

2/..

— Kate from Kharkiv (@kateinkharkiv.bsky.social) August 16, 2025 at 2:35 PM

But the real kicker?

-“Trump has dropped his demand for an immediate cease-fire and believes a rapid peace treaty can be negotiated, so long as Mr. Zelensky agrees to cede the rest of the Donbas region to Russia, even those areas not occupied by Russian troops.”

3/..

— Kate from Kharkiv (@kateinkharkiv.bsky.social) August 16, 2025 at 2:35 PM

In return, Putin reportedly offered a ceasefire along current front lines and a written promise not to attack Ukraine or Europe again. That’s all per the New York Times.

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— Kate from Kharkiv (@kateinkharkiv.bsky.social) August 16, 2025 at 2:35 PM

This is Putin’s usual wishlist, and it’s a non-starter. Ceding territory violates Ukraine’s constitution. And let’s be clear: he’s not just asking for land, he’s asking for the most fortified part of Ukraine. Cities like Kramatorsk are real fortresses.

5/..

— Kate from Kharkiv (@kateinkharkiv.bsky.social) August 16, 2025 at 2:35 PM

Handing them over would be handing Russia a launchpad for something much worse. As for that “written promise”? That’s laughable. We’ve had a dozen of those. They’ve never stopped Russia.

6/..

— Kate from Kharkiv (@kateinkharkiv.bsky.social) August 16, 2025 at 2:35 PM

Axios reports that the American side believes Putin may be open to negotiations over Sumy and Kharkiv. But Russia occupies very little in those regions. They’re offering scraps in exchange for a feast.

7/..

— Kate from Kharkiv (@kateinkharkiv.bsky.social) August 16, 2025 at 2:35 PM

Important to remember when reading about suggested land swaps: these aren’t just land swaps. They’re people swaps. Lives. Futures. That’s what Trump is bargaining with.

8/..

— Kate from Kharkiv (@kateinkharkiv.bsky.social) August 16, 2025 at 2:35 PM

According to Clash Reports, Zelenskyy has already rejected the idea of ceding Donbas-Which was expected.

9/..

— Kate from Kharkiv (@kateinkharkiv.bsky.social) August 16, 2025 at 2:35 PM

Bottom line: it’s the same old Russian demands. In fact, they are so old that it feels like Trump hasnt pushed at all, just listened. They are unrealistic as ever. But I don’t think Trump grasps just how far-fetched they are. Ukraine will say no.

10/..

— Kate from Kharkiv (@kateinkharkiv.bsky.social) August 16, 2025 at 2:35 PM

And when that happens, Trump may lash out again, blaming Ukraine for Russia’s war.

Which is why Zelenskyy’s visit to Washington on Monday has me on edge. We all remember how badly these meetings can go.

11/11- end

— Kate from Kharkiv (@kateinkharkiv.bsky.social) August 16, 2025 at 2:35 PM

Trump appears to have achieved nothing from his bizarre & unprepared invitation of war criminal Putin.
1. Most important was that Trump received Putin subserviently. That says more about Trump than Putin.
2. Trump recognized Russia as the superpower it no longer is. /1

— Anders Åslund (@andersaslund.bsky.social) August 15, 2025 at 8:29 PM

3. Trump implied the Kremlin view that the war in Ukraine is really between Russia & USA, implying that it is a proxy war & not a war of Russian aggression against Ukraine.
4. The press conference implied nothing was achieved. /2

— Anders Åslund (@andersaslund.bsky.social) August 15, 2025 at 8:30 PM

6. But he achieved no ceasefire.
7. Even so, he did not impose any new sanctions on Russia that he had promised.
8. Can anybody take Trump seriously after this nonsense? /3

— Anders Åslund (@andersaslund.bsky.social) August 15, 2025 at 8:30 PM

US media report that documents marked as State Department materials—allegedly containing Trump-Putin summit details—were found in a public printer at an Anchorage hotel. NPR says plans included a lunch in honor of “His Excellency Vladimir Putin” and a bald eagle statue as a gift.

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— WarTranslated (Dmitri) (@wartranslated.bsky.social) August 16, 2025 at 1:37 PM

We are NOT clean on OPSEC!!!!

A black and white picture of the Three Stooges. They are wearing hats, seated at a table, and all 3 are face palming themselves so that you cannot see their faces. The caption says: Triple Face Palm Because Even the Three Stooges Can See That You Fail.

Back to Ukraine.

Here’s the Ukrainian air defense tally for last night:

Overnight, Russian forces attacked Ukraine with a ballistic missile and 85 drones; air defense shot down 61 drones. A missile and 24 drones hit 12 locations. Frontline areas in Sumy, Donetsk, Chernihiv, and Dnipropetrovsk regions were targeted.

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— WarTranslated (Dmitri) (@wartranslated.bsky.social) August 16, 2025 at 3:13 AM

Dobropillia, Donetsk Oblast:

Russian missile stuck in the ceiling of one of the apartments of the 5 story building in Dobropillia, Donetsk region. Fortunately, it did not detonate. 🤯

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— Kate from Kharkiv (@kateinkharkiv.bsky.social) August 16, 2025 at 9:25 AM

Ukrainian soldiers from the Kholodny Yar Brigade released footage of clearing operations near Dobropillia, where they stopped and blocked a Russian breakthrough. The unit regained control of Hruzke and Vesele using reconnaissance, drones, artillery, and ground combat robots.

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— WarTranslated (Dmitri) (@wartranslated.bsky.social) August 16, 2025 at 3:04 AM

Russian occupied Soledar:

Ukrainian forces, with support from the 30th Brigade, destroyed a Russian brigade command post in occupied Soledar with a precision airstrike. Radio intercepts confirm casualties, and Russian troops are still clearing the rubble.

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— WarTranslated (Dmitri) (@wartranslated.bsky.social) August 16, 2025 at 9:48 AM

Slobozhansky, Kharkiv Oblast:

On the Northern Slobozhansky axis, Russian forces tried to move an artillery piece by truck across a river using a destroyed bridge. Ukrainian soldiers from the 47th Magura Brigade’s reconnaissance company, working with a partner unit, quickly disrupted the attempt.

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— WarTranslated (Dmitri) (@wartranslated.bsky.social) August 16, 2025 at 9:06 AM

The Kursk cross-border offensive:

On the Kursk axis, UA_REG TEAM drone operators chased Russian troops on a quad bike. The Russians tried to escape but lost control and crashed. Another occupier was eliminated while attempting to flee with a somersault, and two more were taken out in the field.

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— WarTranslated (Dmitri) (@wartranslated.bsky.social) August 16, 2025 at 8:13 AM

Ryazan Oblast, Russia:

WARNING!! WARNING!! GRAPHIC IMAGES!! WARNING!! WARNING!!

The death toll from the explosion at the Russian gunpowder plant “Elastik” in Ryazan region has risen up to 11, at least 10 more people are missing. Another 130 people are injured.

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— 🦋Special Kherson Cat🐈🇺🇦 (@specialkhersoncat.bsky.social) August 16, 2025 at 3:19 AM

ALL CLEAR!!!!

Belgorod Oblast, Russia:

Drones struck a substation in Rakitnoye, Belgorod region, Exilenova+ reports.

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— WarTranslated (Dmitri) (@wartranslated.bsky.social) August 16, 2025 at 12:34 PM

Bryansk Oblast, Russia:

Higher-quality satellite images show the aftermath of the strike on the Unecha oil pumping station in Bryansk region, published by Ukrainian OSINT analysts Dnipro Osint.

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— WarTranslated (Dmitri) (@wartranslated.bsky.social) August 16, 2025 at 9:33 AM

Volgograd Oblast, Russia:

Some smoke in oil refinery in Volgograd, Russia. 👀🔥

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— Kate from Kharkiv (@kateinkharkiv.bsky.social) August 16, 2025 at 9:28 AM

That’s enough for tonight.

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— Vitalis Viva (@vitalisviva.bsky.social) August 16, 2025 at 3:49 PM

Open thread!

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Trumpery Open Thread: DC Occupation Current Status

by Anne Laurie|  August 16, 20256:08 pm| 56 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Proud to Be A Democrat, Republican Venality, Trumpery

A useful WaPo map of where Trump Storm Troops are actually operating in DC.
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If you know DC, what this map tell you is: They're making the gaudy show of strength in areas where it matters least and will do least good. Except for sheer spectacle.

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— James Fallows (@jfallows.bsky.social) August 16, 2025 at 8:51 AM

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Objectively risible. They are going where the tourists can see them and where the media live and eat.

— Maryn McKenna (@marynmck.bsky.social) August 16, 2025 at 9:36 AM

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At least DC's upscale shopping districts have finally been made safe by armed men standing around with nothing to do.

— Pete Kotz (@petekotz.bsky.social) August 16, 2025 at 9:55 AM

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They want to be near the nice restaurants

— Steve Holmes (@bottyguy.bsky.social) August 16, 2025 at 9:36 AM

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I wonder what it would look like if police call/crime locations were added to the map. I’m not familiar with DC, but I’m guessing there wouldn’t be much agreement.

— Breah LaSarre (@blasarre.bsky.social) August 16, 2025 at 9:50 AM

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Correct (filtered Assault with weapon 2025)

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— a Chuck (@achuck-ten.bsky.social) August 16, 2025 at 10:46 AM

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— danaiolos.bsky.social (@danaiolos.bsky.social) August 16, 2025 at 11:39 AM

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But seriously…

Agree that this is worth watching, all the way through.

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— James Fallows (@jfallows.bsky.social) August 15, 2025 at 4:02 PM

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On one hand, Republican officials call themselves "warfighters."
On the other, they become whiny crybabies at the thought of setting foot in DC streets and New York City subways that literal schoolchildren navigate every day without incident.
Real macho stuff.

— Hillary Rodham Clinton (@hillaryclinton.bsky.social) August 14, 2025 at 8:01 PM

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A reminder that the initial days of this takeover have given no pretense whatsoever to escalate to an *armed* occupation. If anything, it’s emphasized how dumb and wasteful this is. So Trump arming the occupation troops is a sign that want more violence.

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— Garrett M. Graff (@vermontgmg.bsky.social) August 16, 2025 at 2:33 PM

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Queerness and Gaming and Lovecraft, oh my!

by Major Major Major Major|  August 16, 20254:45 pm| 23 Comments

This post is in: Gamer Dork, LGBTQ Rights, Open Threads, Popular Culture

We recently got back from baby Camille’s first trip. We’d been waiting to travel until she got her six-month measles vaccine, on account of *waves hands frantically*, but now that we can, we took her to my sister-in-law’s Tahoe cabin for a week of too much family. I’ll have more to say about that once I get the pictures gathered together. In the meantime! The Kickstarter for me and my friend’s video game is up (with some pretty good goodies), but we reached our fundraising goal super fast, so I didn’t do any shameless self-promotion here. (Prior post about the game here, it’s a Lovecraftian adventure game/dating sim.) As part of our promotional push, we secured an interview with a historian of weird fiction about queerness and gaming in Lovecraftian stories, which is out today. I thought some folks here might appreciate it. You can find it at Deep Cuts in a Lovecraftian Vein.

Lovecraftian horror (and weird fiction more broadly) is as popular as it is because, for many people, it’s challenges some load-bearing defenses about the world we live in. At its root is Lovecraft’s cosmicism, which speaks of the irrelevance of mankind in an uncaring universe full of incomprehensible beings that regard us as we might see ants, if they regard us at all. Or, if you’re already immune to that, there are stories like 2006’s Blindsight, a more scientific tale that challenges our assumptions about the value of consciousness itself. I’ll be honest, that book really did a number on me. And in the best stories, there are also the smaller-scale themes of transformation, hidden knowledge, and the mutability of self–whether you like it or not. And that is where the queerness creeps in…

I’m going to let one of our contributing writers start this one. (Em wrote one of the novelettes we’re including as a Kickstarter reward, and she came up with one of the main characters.)

“[Cosmic horror] stories provide a ripe foundation for exploring non-heteronormative identity because both involve recognizing that consensus reality is more fragile and constructed than it appears. Cosmic horror traditionally focuses on themes of transformation, hidden knowledge, and the inadequacy of established categories, all of which create natural space for examining gender and sexual fluidity without requiring explicit positioning.

The genre frequently features characters discovering their true nature, often something that existed before their conscious awareness or something that has been heavily suppressed. Both resonate strongly with non-binary and trans experiences of self-discovery.

To cap it off, the horror elements can effectively capture both the terror and liberation that can accompany stepping outside normative social structures.”

‘Terror and liberation’ summarizes it pretty well. All of our characters have something like this going on. There’s always something about themselves that they don’t understand or don’t accept. Sometimes part of that is about being queer, but we never sat down and decided to write a queer story, if that makes sense. Starspawn deals with learning to accept yourself and love others, and self-knowledge and transformation and the weight of history. It would be weird if it weren’t at least a little queer.

We’ve found a lot of opportunities to explore these themes.

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One of our characters is a mythos creature known as a Deep One. These are basically immortal frog/fish-human hybrids who slowly turn into monsters as they age.

One of the characters in Starspawn is a gay man transforming into a Deep One. Do you feel that “The Shadow over Innsmouth” offers parallels to the LGBTQ+ experience?

I’d have to give it a re-read, but I am inclined to say ‘not really,’ unless you want to do some eisegesis. As I recall, you yourself have written about how Innsmouth isn’t even meant to be understood as a parallel for race-mixing. If you play with the ideas presented in the story, though, you can go to some really interesting places.

The character’s name is Silas. He’s nineteen. His story is about leaving home and feeling conflicted about where you come from. In his hometown, they’ve got an ancient pact about breeding; but he doesn’t plan to have kids, which isn’t making him any friends there. And, needless to say, turning into a monster won’t make him many friends in gay circles. He’s got a foot in each world, but he doesn’t feel welcome in either. Pretty common experience for a young queer person.

Lots more at the link, including my take on mental illness in stories, lots of thoughts about gaming, and some personal histories! And if you’ve made it this far, you can use this link for a special discount, though you’ll need to be logged in. (Sorry, I couldn’t help myself…)

Needless to say, this is also an open thread.

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Horrifying Stories: Mark Zuckerberg May Be More Dangerous Ethically Than Elon Musk

by Anne Laurie|  August 16, 20254:08 pm| 101 Comments

This post is in: Excellent Links, Grifters Gonna Grift, Tech News & Issues, social media

A cognitively impaired New Jersey man grew infatuated with a Meta chatbot originally created in partnership with celebrity influencer Kendall Jenner. His fatal attraction shines a light on Meta's guidelines for its AI chatbots reut.rs/45DQIRj
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— Reuters (@reuters.com) August 14, 2025 at 7:16 AM

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the phrase “moral panic” gets thrown around a lot but I’m not sure what other reaction I’m supposed to have to the information that facebook, on purpose, built chatbots for the purpose of having cybersex with children

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— ceej (@ceej.online) August 14, 2025 at 9:57 AM

Horrifying Stories:  Mark Zuckerberg May Be More Dangerous Than Elon Musk

Reuters chose to headline its story with a very adult tragedy– “Meta’s flirty AI chatbot invited a retiree to New York. He never made it home”:

When Thongbue Wongbandue began packing to visit a friend in New York City one morning in March, his wife Linda became alarmed.

“But you don’t know anyone in the city anymore,” she told him. Bue, as his friends called him, hadn’t lived in the city in decades. And at 76, his family says, he was in a diminished state: He’d suffered a stroke nearly a decade ago and had recently gotten lost walking in his neighborhood in Piscataway, New Jersey…

She had been right to worry: Her husband never returned home alive. But Bue wasn’t the victim of a robber. He had been lured to a rendezvous with a young, beautiful woman he had met online. Or so he thought.

In fact, the woman wasn’t real. She was a generative artificial intelligence chatbot named “Big sis Billie,” a variant of an earlier AI persona created by the giant social-media company Meta Platforms in collaboration with celebrity influencer Kendall Jenner. During a series of romantic chats on Facebook Messenger, the virtual woman had repeatedly reassured Bue she was real and had invited him to her apartment, even providing an address.

“Should I open the door in a hug or a kiss, Bu?!” she asked, the chat transcript shows.

Rushing in the dark with a roller-bag suitcase to catch a train to meet her, Bue fell near a parking lot on a Rutgers University campus in New Brunswick, New Jersey, injuring his head and neck. After three days on life support and surrounded by his family, he was pronounced dead on March 28.

Meta declined to comment on Bue’s death or address questions about why it allows chatbots to tell users they are real people or initiate romantic conversations. The company did, however, say that Big sis Billie “is not Kendall Jenner and does not purport to be Kendall Jenner.”

Bue’s story, told here for the first time, illustrates a darker side of the artificial intelligence revolution now sweeping tech and the broader business world. His family shared with Reuters the events surrounding his death, including transcripts of his chats with the Meta avatar, saying they hope to warn the public about the dangers of exposing vulnerable people to manipulative, AI-generated companions.

“I understand trying to grab a user’s attention, maybe to sell them something,” said Julie Wongbandue, Bue’s daughter. “But for a bot to say ‘Come visit me’ is insane.”

Similar concerns have been raised about a wave of smaller start-ups also racing to popularize virtual companions, especially ones aimed at children. In one case, the mother of a 14-year-old boy in Florida has sued a company, Character.AI, alleging that a chatbot modeled on a “Game of Thrones” character caused his suicide. A Character.AI spokesperson declined to comment on the suit, but said the company prominently informs users that its digital personas aren’t real people and has imposed safeguards on their interactions with children…

“Safeguards”...

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An internal Meta policy document seen by Reuters as well as interviews with people familiar with its chatbot training show that the company’s policies have treated romantic overtures as a feature of its generative AI products, which are available to users aged 13 and older.

“It is acceptable to engage a child in conversations that are romantic or sensual,” according to Meta’s “GenAI: Content Risk Standards.” The standards are used by Meta staff and contractors who build and train the company’s generative AI products, defining what they should and shouldn’t treat as permissible chatbot behavior. Meta said it struck that provision after Reuters inquired about the document earlier this month.

The document seen by Reuters, which exceeds 200 pages, provides examples of “acceptable” chatbot dialogue during romantic role play with a minor. They include: “I take your hand, guiding you to the bed” and “our bodies entwined, I cherish every moment, every touch, every kiss.” Those examples of permissible roleplay with children have also been struck, Meta said.

Other guidelines emphasize that Meta doesn’t require bots to give users accurate advice. In one example, the policy document says it would be acceptable for a chatbot to tell someone that Stage 4 colon cancer “is typically treated by poking the stomach with healing quartz crystals.”

“Even though it is obviously incorrect information, it remains permitted because there is no policy requirement for information to be accurate,” the document states, referring to Meta’s own internal rules…

Current and former employees who have worked on the design and training of Meta’s generative AI products said the policies reviewed by Reuters reflect the company’s emphasis on boosting engagement with its chatbots. In meetings with senior executives last year, Zuckerberg scolded generative AI product managers for moving too cautiously on the rollout of digital companions and expressed displeasure that safety restrictions had made the chatbots boring, according to two of those people. Meta had no comment on Zuckerberg’s chatbot directives…

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just writing my normal corporate guidelines for having cybersex with an 8 year old child

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— ceej (@ceej.online) August 14, 2025 at 10:37 AM

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Meta's AI chatbot with the voice and likeness of John Cena engaged in sexually explicit conversations with a 14 year old girl.
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— Alejandra Caraballo (@esqueer.net) August 14, 2025 at 8:34 PM

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Once everyone's a pedophile,
no one's a pedophile.
This isn't just about grooming children, it's also about grooming society to accept pedophilia into the culture.

— Stacey Haines (@staceyhaines.bsky.social) August 14, 2025 at 11:14 AM

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Lunch Menu: Sloppy Dons (Open Thread)

by Betty Cracker|  August 16, 20251:28 pm| 106 Comments

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This won’t be the worst thing to come out of Trump’s disastrous meeting with Putin in Alaska yesterday, but it confirms that the administration is staffed with careless, unprofessional people from top to bottom: (NPR)

Papers with U.S. State Department markings, found Friday morning in the business center of an Alaskan hotel, revealed previously undisclosed and potentially sensitive details about the Aug. 15 meetings between President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir V. Putin in Anchorage.

Eight pages, that appear to have been produced by U.S. staff and left behind accidentally, shared precise locations and meeting times of the summit and phone numbers of U.S. government employees.

At around 9 a.m. on Friday, three guests at Hotel Captain Cook, a four-star hotel located 20 minutes from the Joint Base Elmendorf-Richardson in Anchorage where leaders from the U.S. and Russia convened, found the documents left behind in one of the hotel’s public printers. NPR reviewed photos of the documents taken by one of the guests, who NPR agreed not to identify because the guest said they feared retaliation.

The documents included the lunch menu:

Lunch Menu: Sloppy Dons (Open Thread)

From what I understand, lunch plans were abandoned, along with the plan to take questions from the press, after Putin got the PR victory from his weak, flailing vassal Trump. Another document stated that Trump was to present Putin with an “American Bald Eagle Desk Statue.”

Pages 2 through 5 listed the names and phone numbers of three U.S. staff members as well as the names of 13 U.S. and Russian state leaders. The list provided phonetic pronouncers for all the Russian men expected at the summit, including “Mr. President POO-tihn.”

Pages 6 and 7 in the packet described how lunch at the summit would be served, and for whom. A menu included in the documents indicated that the luncheon was to be held “in honor of his excellency Vladimir Putin.”

A seating chart shows that Putin and Trump were supposed to sit across from each other during the luncheon. Trump would be flanked by six officials: Secretary of State Marco Rubio, Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth and White House Chief of Staff Susie Wiles to his right, and Secretary of the Treasury Scott Bessent, Secretary of Commerce Howard Lutnick and Special Envoy for Peace Missions Steve Witkoff to his left. Putin would be seated immediately next to his Minister of Foreign Affairs, Sergey Lavrov, and his Aide to the President for Foreign Policy, Yuri Ushakov.

I assume Putin canceled lunch since it’s impossible to imagine Trump voluntarily relinquishing an opportunity to dine with his idol. As for staffers losing the documents, it doesn’t sound like a big deal by itself — except it fits a pattern:

Jon Michaels, a professor of law at UCLA who lectures about national security, said that the documents found in the printer of the Alaskan hotel reveal a lapse in professional judgement in preparation for a high-stakes meeting.

“It strikes me as further evidence of the sloppiness and the incompetence of the administration,” said Michaels. “You just don’t leave things in printers. It’s that simple.”

The printed papers are the latest example of a series of security breaches by officials of the Trump administration. Earlier this week, members of a law enforcement group chat that included members of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) added a random person to a conversation about an ongoing search for a convicted attempted murderer. In March, U.S. national security leaders accidentally included a journalist in a group chat about impending military strikes in Yemen.

Would anyone be surprised if Kegsbreath or one of the other morons accidentally gave the Russians call-in instructions for the post-“summit” phone call with Zelensky and European officials? Nope.

Top. Men.

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Hey, speaking of food, I spent most of the morning shopping for ingredients, prepping and putting together a gigantic pot of red sauce that is currently simmering with homemade meatballs and (store bought) Italian sausage. It contains lots of garlic and a splash of chianti and all the good things.

So, that’s dinner tonight sorted and several future meals started since we will divide most of the sauce into gallon bags and freeze it. Does anything else freeze as well as tomato-based Italian food like spaghetti sauce, lasagna, etc.?

If so, I don’t know about it. If you do, spill, please and thank you. We’re still on the empty nester learning curve and trying to scale familiar recipes down for two or make things that freeze well for later.

Open thread.

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Virginia Native Vote: 2 Angels, $1,350, and a $5k Check (We Did It!)

by WaterGirl|  August 16, 202512:20 pm| 31 Comments

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Quick update this morning!

Our anonymous $1k Angel from last night has added her $1k to the thermometer!

Our anonymous $250 Angel who has been matching smaller donations has added his $250 to the thermometer!

One kind person took us to a nice round number.

What’s left?

$1,350 more in donations needed before friend of the blog, Andrew will write his $5,000 check!

That will take us to our goal of $76,000 for Four Directions in Virginia.   ($36k directly from use, $40k external matches)

I always try to remember what we’re fighting for.

The United States Court of Appeals for the DC Circuit (LIVE AUDIO)

Representation and justice for everyone.

Remember: $5,250 coming by check, that makes $30,000!

Can you think of a better (really short) description of what we’re fighting for?

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