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I’m about to be on a work call, but it looks like we could use a new thread.
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A lot of people on the far left are comfortable with Trump winning because they think “after Trump” it’ll be their turn to be in charge; as if the end of American democracy is just a thing they can wait out. pic.twitter.com/1lWphj1nli
— Tim (@trouble_man90) June 20, 2024
If ever you have the time to watch a 12-minute video, it’s probably on a Sunday. There’s a temptation to dismiss Project 2025, and the Heritage Foundation authoritarians who hatched it, as just another airy right-wing phantasy for TFG to spin to the rubes. But if you watch the clip below, it’s clear this is a very dangerous, and frankly un-American, plan with terrible ramifications for everyone:
At first I was dubious of @MSNBC for inviting a Heritage Foundation person on to spout lies.
Then I saw this interview and recognized that the best way to highlight the insanity that’s afoot is to put examples of it on television for all to see.
— Christopher Wiggins (@CWNewser) June 22, 2024
Here’s a 90-second clip from the interview above, if you want something briefer to share on social media. “Institutionalize Trumpism!”... even Michael Steele, who’s made a nice chunk of change from the Heritage Foundation, repudiates this nutbird’s ranting as “a dramatic shift away” from the ‘sensible’ principles HF has espoused since Ronald Reagan made them nationally powerful.
To my conservative friends in the Republican Party:
This is the President of the Heritage Foundation.
He made it clear this morning that a priority of a second Trump term is to essentially eliminate the Republican Party — and instead transform the entire GOP into MAGA.
They… pic.twitter.com/EIFyf8E3wR
— Ms. M ???? (@MsMalarkey24) June 22, 2024
(Also: If I were alone on an elevator, and Kevin Roberts got on, I’d push the button to get off at the next floor… and that’s even before listening to him rant.)
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.@NicoleShanahan has her Sarah Palin moment.
Says she's qualified to be commander in chief because she "understands how we build batteries around the world" and "spent most of [her] spiritual life studying world religions." pic.twitter.com/dQosEqhRUO
— Lis Smith (@Lis_Smith) June 21, 2024
Not good places, mind you… but her seven-figure donation to RFK Jr’s campaign bought her a bigger audience, and by Grabthar’s Hammer she’s gonna take full advantage of the spotlight!
Elex Michaelson goes one-on-one with attorney, entrepreneur and philanthropist Nicole Shanahan, for her first TV sit-down since being named Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s running mate. https://t.co/bJGFaIL7ir
— FOX 11 Los Angeles (@FOXLA) June 21, 2024
Per Fox LA, “First TV sit-down with Independent VP candidate Nicole Shanahan”:
… The two sit down at Shanahan’s Malibu home for a wide-ranging discussion, talking the state of the Presidential race, addressing hot-button issues like vaccines, abortion, IVF, and the war in the Middle East, and getting personal, as Shanahan opens up about her career, her difficult childhood, being a mom, and the behind-the-scenes events that led her to join Kennedy’s Independent ticket.
THE ISSUE IS: SHANAHAN ON VACCINES AND VACCINE MANDATES
“I don’t think mandates should exist for any healthcare decisions related to children… Historically, I have always, complied with the CDC recommendations… what I have noticed is that there has been less and less informed consent over time, and there has been, since the 1986 Vaccine Act, a lack of liability for when a vaccine is either not effective or causes more injury than we would accept…”
THE ISSUE IS: SHOULD ABORTION ACCESS BE DETERMINED BY INDIVIDUAL STATES?
“Personally, I was saddened [by the Dobbs decision]. I think that anytime you take something as historic, as Roe v Wade, and the headline is, it’s been reversed, it startles you. However, that being said, when you look at it, it was an issue of constitutional law…”“It’s what we have right now. And I can see a benefit, we have to look at it in the positive, because it’s what we have, and we have to make the best with what we have. The Supreme Court is our highest court. We have to respect its decision. It is what we have. And whether or not I’m happy with that or not is irrelevant…”
THE ISSUE IS: WHY NICOLE SHANAHAN WANTS TO BE THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
“I want to be Vice President, because I want to take my learnings of being a mother in today’s America, being somebody who has really looked at our health care issues, who understands deeply our AI challenges and the technology landscape of this country, and I want to bring it to the White House. I think that there’s a great need right now to bring a youthful, capable, mindset and framing to the biggest issues that are challenging this country today. And, of course, I’m a very, very enthusiastic, Bobby Kennedy supporter, I want to see him in the White House, and I was already working behind the scenes before I joined the ticket…”
So… Goop, but for politics? That’s probably unfair to Gywneth Paltrow and her vagina-scented candles.
Calling the overturn of Roe a benefit while women are forced to miscarry in hospital lobby restrooms is certainly a choice. This is campaign is against your right to abortion care. Period. https://t.co/l1mkqizFv5
— Brandon Weathersby (@WeathersbyWI) June 20, 2024
You know, not gonna defend Palin, but at least she was once a mayor and a governor. This moment is less a "Palin moment" and more like a Trump moment: Answering a question with a stream of words that don't really make much sense. But at least sharks weren't involved. https://t.co/fNPutpG2XV
— Tom Nichols (@RadioFreeTom) June 21, 2024
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Quick housekeeping note: Rosie is still doing fine. Thank you all for the good thoughts, well wishes, prayers, and donations.
As I start writing tonight’s update, at 8:00 PM EDT/3:01 AM in Ukraine, air raid alerts are up over Kharkiv and Donetsk Oblasts.
Here’s the butcher’s bill from this morning’s attacks on Ukraine:
As a result, Polish and allied fighter aircraft were once again scrambled, the Operational Command of the Polish Armed Forces said. “This night was very tense for the entire Polish air defence system, as a Russian large-scale missile attack covered the entire territory of…
— Michael Bociurkiw (@WorldAffairsPro) June 22, 2024
Russia then hit Kharkiv again today:
The number of wounded due to a Russian missile strike in a civilian area of Kharkiv Ukraine has hit 57. At least two dead. Horrific images emerging of the destruction. In one video of an incoming missile, no air raid sirens could be heard pic.twitter.com/RuLpsJmOin
— Michael Bociurkiw (@WorldAffairsPro) June 22, 2024
A large 🇷🇺 bomb right in city center of Kharkiv 🇺🇦 with at least three dead and more than 50 people injured. That’s how the Kremlin wants to create its “Russian world”. pic.twitter.com/w4sBaM0Ols
— Carl Bildt (@carlbildt) June 22, 2024
On this sunny Saturday, Kharkiv was cast into darkness by russian airstrikes. The attack claimed three lives and wounded 56 civilians, including three children.
📷Ukraine’s SES, Suspilne Kharkiv pic.twitter.com/ZNfarcUkV5
— Iryna Voichuk (@IrynaVoichuk) June 22, 2024
UPD Kharkiv. The number of people injured in the russian air strikes has risen to 37 with two children among the victims. Rescue efforts are ongoing as people may still be trapped under the rubble.
📹Daria Levchenko, Gwara media pic.twitter.com/y7viiDU8qS
— Iryna Voichuk (@IrynaVoichuk) June 22, 2024
Russian terrorists have struck Kharkiv with guided aerial bombs again. Unfortunately, a residential building was hit.
The debris is being cleared. All necessary services are on the scene. As of now, there are 19 wounded and 3 dead. My condolences to everyone who lost their loved… pic.twitter.com/iSpKjjevtC
— Volodymyr Zelenskyy / Володимир Зеленський (@ZelenskyyUa) June 22, 2024
Russian terrorists have struck Kharkiv with guided aerial bombs again. Unfortunately, a residential building was hit.
The debris is being cleared. All necessary services are on the scene. As of now, there are 19 wounded and 3 dead. My condolences to everyone who lost their loved ones.
This Russian terror with guided aerial bombs must and can be stopped. Bold decisions from our partners are needed so that we can destroy Russian terrorists and Russian combat aircraft where they are.
We have already proved that it is possible to protect people’s lives from missile terror, particularly by clearing the border areas of terrorist launchers. Protection against bombs is required as well. We need this determination.
I thank everyone who helps Ukraine protect lives!
Here is President Zelenskyy’s address from earlier today. Video below, English transcript after the jump.
We Are Working to the Maximum to Give Ukraine the Capability to Fully Respond to Russian Terror – Address by the President
22 June 2024 – 19:44
Dear Ukrainians!
Currently, in Kharkiv, the clearing of rubble at the site of the Russian bomb attack is still ongoing. Four guided aerial bombs hit the city—this is calculated terror. One of the bombs destroyed a residential building in the central part of the city, near the bus station. As of now, more than 40 people in the city were reported injured. All are receiving necessary assistance. Three people in Kharkiv were killed by today’s strikes. My condolences to their families and loved ones. The rescue operation is complicated due to the collapse of the building’s structures. However, the rescuers from the State Emergency Service of Ukraine, local services, and everyone involved are doing everything possible to help people. Similarly, we are working to the maximum to give Ukraine the capability to fully respond to such Russian terror. Since the beginning of this June alone, Russians have used more than 2,400 guided aerial bombs against Ukraine already, about 700 of which were targeted at the Kharkiv region – against our positions, our cities, and communities in the Kharkiv region.
Such Russian strikes are also being carried out in the Donetsk region and other frontline and border regions – on a daily basis. Ukraine needs the necessary forces and means to destroy the carriers of these bombs, particularly Russian combat aviation wherever it is. This step is needed. I am grateful to all partners, grateful to America for a strong decision that helped us stabilize the situation in the Kharkiv border region – we gained the ability to destroy Russian missile launchers near the border and concentrations of Russian occupiers. Such decisions need to be continued. The significant reduction in Russian missile terror against Kharkiv and the region proves that it is entirely possible to protect our cities and communities from Russian bombs. That is why modern air defense systems for Ukraine – Patriots – and the acceleration of training of our pilots for F-16s, and, most importantly, the sufficient range of our weapons are truly necessary. Necessary for the protection of lives – and solely for this purpose. I thank everyone in the world who supports us in this. Russian terror must be defeated, and this is in the interest of everyone who wants to live in a world without war, which terrorists always spread whenever they are not defeated. Today, I heard reports from Commander-in-Chief Syrskyi and Ukraine’s Defense Minister Umerov regarding the provision for our forces and supplies from partners. The Commander-in-Chief and the Minister also reported on their contacts with partners and our expectations. We are grateful for the approved packages, but we need them fully and on the battlefield – without delays. And everything we agreed upon with President Biden must be implemented.
I would also like to recognize the rescuers of the State Emergency Service of Ukraine – the entire staff of the Service, everyone who works to save as many lives as possible. In all regions, in every city. Thank you! Kharkiv region – Mykhailo Tebenev, Ivan Lobanov, Oleksandr Omelianenko, Oleksandr Mazur and Yuriy Matsayenko have particularly distinguished themselves these weeks. Thank you, guys! And also Kyiv region – fire and rescue units of the region – Yaroslav Brovchenko, Oleksandr Borozenets, Bohdan Kachenko, Serhiy Nedilko, Tymofiy Vyshnia. I thank you and all the employees of the State Emergency Service of Ukraine, all local services that work for people, every police officer and volunteer who helps.
And one more thing.
Donetsk region. Our warriors. Pokrovsk direction, Toretsk, Kurakhove, Kramatorsk. Very tough battles and dozens of Russian assaults every day. I am grateful to every soldier, sergeant and officer who defend our positions and hold back the occupier. I thank all our warriors for their strength!
Glory to Ukraine!
You don’t understand — Russia was provoked into degrading into being a oligarchic dictatorship obsessed with war, territorial grabs, and Stalinist revanchism, then it was provoked into spending over a decade in an economic war on Ukraine and indoctrinating its population with…
— Illia Ponomarenko 🇺🇦 (@IAPonomarenko) June 22, 2024
You don’t understand — Russia was provoked into degrading into being a oligarchic dictatorship obsessed with war, territorial grabs, and Stalinist revanchism, then it was provoked into spending over a decade in an economic war on Ukraine and indoctrinating its population with hateful propaganda (a.k.a. “Ukrainians are Nazis and not a real country”), then it was provoked into annexing part of Ukraine’s territory and inciting and sponsoring a war in Ukraine’s east, then it was provoked into concentrating the largest regional military grouping against Ukraine since the end of the Cold War, it was also provoked into openly laughing in the face of a half of the West begging Putin not to invade Ukraine and not sending Ukraine any aid to avoid ‘provoking Russia’, thus Russia was provoked into unleashing the largest European war of aggression since WWII and, due to its very sudden failure to seize Kyiv, it was provoked into massacring the people of Ukraine, derailing all talks via knowingly unacceptable demands, and launching a devastating years-long war to erase dozens of Ukrainian cities from the earth’s face and bomb Ukraine into the cold and dark due to the war’s extremely unsatisfying results more than 2 years after, with some at least some 200,000 military dead on both sides and possibly tens of thousands of civilian fatalities.
You don’t understand, it’s all because Russia just couldn’t stand Ukraine unreasonably seeking to join NATO after everything it has done to Ukraine after 2014, although Russia was more than fine with NATO standing at its border for 20 years in the Baltics and with Finland joining NATO, too — you just have to understand that if Ukraine had joined NATO at some point, Russia would have been restricted in its god-given right to invade and subjugate it as it pleases, it’s not that Ukrainians are a people and have a say over their own lives, I’m a linguistics professor and I know better what’s better for them savages, you know, you don’t understand.
More from Kharkiv:
— Illia Ponomarenko 🇺🇦 (@IAPonomarenko) June 22, 2024
Russian propagandists now claim their target in Kharkiv was not a residential building but a police hospital. Their open admission of calls for war crimes is truly outrageous. Watch this and imagine it’s your Saturday afternoon pic.twitter.com/tP2BLSUoT8
— Maria Avdeeva (@maria_avdv) June 22, 2024
How the fuck is this ok?
How the fuck do we just keep calm & carry on?
Fuck this, the weapons exist to end this war tomorrow & we all just sit on our fucking asses & say maybe we can give Ukraine 1 more patriot, 1 more tank, fuck everyone who has decided to prolong this war. pic.twitter.com/zBZqPQr1bV
— Richard Woodruff 🇺🇦 (@frontlinekit) June 22, 2024
The moment of the russian terrorist strike on a building in Kharkiv.
There are currently 2 people killed and 37 injured.This bomb was launched by russian aviation.
If @POTUS had allowed Ukraine to strike russian airfields with ATACMS, this attack on Kharkiv might not have… pic.twitter.com/xrjNJxM40W
— Serhii Sternenko ✙ (@sternenko) June 22, 2024
The moment of the russian terrorist strike on a building in Kharkiv.
There are currently 2 people killed and 37 injured.This bomb was launched by russian aviation.
If @POTUS had allowed Ukraine to strike russian airfields with ATACMS, this attack on Kharkiv might not have happened.
Lives could have been protected.
Lives must be protected.
It’s time to stop the terror!
For want of a nail.
The Kharkiv front:
Ukrainian drone operators of the “Birds of Magyar” unit found the base of Russian FPV drone operators, investigated the house with FPV drone from the inside and destroyed it.
Full: https://t.co/zlXGyul7RR pic.twitter.com/X5mUqbxwbq
— Special Kherson Cat 🐈🇺🇦 (@bayraktar_1love) June 22, 2024
Here’s the full video:
And it’s description (machine translated):
Eyes and Sting: express test of a wormy BZVP, two lairs of fpv pilots and iron.
Kharkiv region on the front lineQuiet and calm,
МАДЯР🇺🇦 22.06.24 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦
Bukhanka graveyard on the Kharkiv front:
“The cutting of Russian logistical routes is probably one of the key reasons why Russian offensive in the Kharkiv region got bogged down. In one photo there are 5 burnt Bukhankas. The whole road is about 15 km and you can take dozens of… pic.twitter.com/j1xeg4tOhr
— Special Kherson Cat 🐈🇺🇦 (@bayraktar_1love) June 22, 2024
Bukhanka graveyard on the Kharkiv front:
“The cutting of Russian logistical routes is probably one of the key reasons why Russian offensive in the Kharkiv region got bogged down. In one photo there are 5 burnt Bukhankas. The whole road is about 15 km and you can take dozens of similar photos on it.
Thanks to the successful operation of drones, Russians are sitting in tree lines and forests with a minimum of ammunition, food and water. There were cases when we destroyed a moped with which Russians tried to bring a pack of 6 bottles of water to the position.”
Zaporizhzhia Oblast:
/2. Geolocation of the air strike https://t.co/kMwOcUuGcb pic.twitter.com/u59XyvD8ti
— Special Kherson Cat 🐈🇺🇦 (@bayraktar_1love) June 22, 2024
Novomykhailivka, Donetsk Oblast:
The infamous ‘road of death’ for the Russian occupiers near Novomykhailivka in the Donetsk region. The location is perfectly targeted by our soldiers, but Putin’s troops stubbornly continue to advance in senseless assaults with one known end.
A Russian tank moved to support the… pic.twitter.com/6kv8LbqkH0
— Anton Gerashchenko (@Gerashchenko_en) June 22, 2024
The infamous ‘road of death’ for the Russian occupiers near Novomykhailivka in the Donetsk region. The location is perfectly targeted by our soldiers, but Putin’s troops stubbornly continue to advance in senseless assaults with one known end.
A Russian tank moved to support the assault on Ukrainian positions but was stopped and burned by a kamikaze drone, and its headless crew was left lying on the battlefield forever.
📹: 79th Separate Tavrian Air Assault Brigade
Russian occupied Sea of Azov:
At night, Russians, for the first time, launched 4 Kalibr missiles from the Azov Sea, not the Black Sea – Ukrainian Navy
“This is an important turning point because they now consider the Sea of Azov safer,” – the Ukrainian Navy spokesman Dmytro Pletenchuk. pic.twitter.com/SZEoSrR6E5
— Anton Gerashchenko (@Gerashchenko_en) June 22, 2024
Not quite sure where in Russian occupied Ukraine or Russia this is:
Ukrainian FPV strike triggers a massive detonation of what is most likely an abandoned fertiliser storage. https://t.co/oavEnU7rCO pic.twitter.com/tfvLPG02l4
— Special Kherson Cat 🐈🇺🇦 (@bayraktar_1love) June 22, 2024
Belgorod Oblast, Russia:
In Belgorod, a strike on the area which was previously identified as Pantsir S1 positions is reported.
(50.5459167, 36.5865833)https://t.co/GJc68ymGvshttps://t.co/WtcCyL4USi pic.twitter.com/EtH2vTXFg5— Special Kherson Cat 🐈🇺🇦 (@bayraktar_1love) June 22, 2024
Russian Telegram channels report that a Russian Pantsir-S1 air defense missile system was destroyed near Belgorod.
“This is our air defense. What now?” Russians wonder. pic.twitter.com/8r9bAKxymk
— Anton Gerashchenko (@Gerashchenko_en) June 22, 2024
Russian military airfield, Yesak, Russia:
/2. Fire in the direction of Russian military airfield in Eysk after drone attack.
POV: 46.679742,38.296845https://t.co/0dQ8kf2oNE pic.twitter.com/eUtxwK114l— Special Kherson Cat 🐈🇺🇦 (@bayraktar_1love) June 20, 2024
/4. More detailed satellite imagery of the results of strike on Russian base in Yeysk https://t.co/GSX5O6Mesx
— Special Kherson Cat 🐈🇺🇦 (@bayraktar_1love) June 22, 2024
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Biden hunkering down in Camp David for debate prep-refining talking points, pouring through material. Then at the end doing a full 90 minute mock debate on his feet the whole time
Preparing for all scenarios, but am told expecting Trump to be more disciplined @ABC pic.twitter.com/jXmKD9Ll5O— Selina Wang (@selinawangtv) June 21, 2024
Very different approaches… So, President Biden is working with his trained staff and other experts to assemble the best possible pitch. And Trump, or at least the people around Trump, are ‘more disciplined’. One can only imagine:
– A handful of staffers have sorted out Trump’s favorite red & pink Starbursts, and are attempting to rejigger traditional potty-training methods to get him to repeat clip-friendly talking points
– Since neither Ivanka nor Melania will cooperate, others negotiating with Kimberly Guilfoyle for her to stand by the main monitor & flash her tits when he needs to be brought to attention
– Peter ‘Bathory’ Thiel’s office has stonewalled on loaning the campaign a few of their spare twinks, so staffers are trying to contact known Trump supporter Tom Brady to donate some fresh premium-quality plasma
How Biden and Trump are taking very different approaches to preparing for next week's debate https://t.co/HywjtzAMu2
— The Associated Press (@AP) June 21, 2024
Joe Biden also beat Donald Trump twice in debates 4 years ago. But I know Donald's memory isn't that good so he probably forgot about it. https://t.co/EWo9l0TaAX
— The Biden Accomplishments Guy (@What46HasDone) June 21, 2024
So (1) it remains very funny to me that people think Biden has a drug that totally fixes cognitive issues but only uses it sometimes, and (2) Miller is slightly smarter than the median fascist creep and clearly realizes that Trump is very likely to faceplant at this debate https://t.co/KpOXJBJ7rD
— vituperativeerb (@vituperativeerb) June 20, 2024
@DougJBalloon https://t.co/eO9fkKP5S3
— Ben Yelin (@byelin) June 20, 2024
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Maybe I’m just petty, but I love this feud Kevin McCarthy has with the people who booted him out of the House. I hope it’s the gift that keep son giving.
Kevin McCarthy: “I’ll give you the truth why I’m not speaker. It’s because one person, a member of Congress [Matt Gaetz] wanted me to stop an ethics complaint because he slept with a 17-year-old”
pic.twitter.com/LN85Ttm8BS— Republicans against Trump (@RpsAgainstTrump) June 21, 2024
It appears that McCarthy maybe played a role in the Rep. Good’s race. Did he lose, or is it still too close to call?
I’m generally in favor of anything that pits Republicans against Republicans.
Totally open thread.
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This is AOC speaking in Las Vegas, campaigning for Jacky Rosen and Joe Biden, but especially Jacky Rosen, I think. Republicans are coming hard after Jacky Rosen’s seat. You will recall that earlier this year we raised funds for Four Directions in Nevada.
Well, we’re not stopping there.
Just to give you a little peek ahead, we are trying to connect with a couple of organizations in Nevada to see if they might be a good fit with our strategic fundraising. That’s all I’ll say for now.
Check out this 2-minute barn burner of a close from AOC. I like AOC and I think she’s good for Democrats overall, but I’m not one of the “oh, she should be president one day” club. Bat damn, I got goosebumps watching her closing here. h/t trollhattan
AOC: I have a message for this conservative court and Donald J. Trump. The women and people of this state do not consent. And the woman and people of this country certainly do not consent to Donald Trump nor this corrupt court that he has enabled. pic.twitter.com/I6MfefIrae
— Acyn (@Acyn) June 22, 2024
She even calls out the corruption of the not-so Supreme Court. Watch it if you can!
Speaking of Las Vegas, and Nevada in GeneralPost + Comments (69)
