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Repub Venality Open Thread: The WSJ Regrets to Inform Us…

by Anne Laurie|  August 20, 20236:18 pm| 54 Comments

This post is in: C.R.E.A.M., Foreign Affairs, Open Threads, Republican Venality, Trump Crime Cartel

Jared Kushner’s Deal-Making Career Off to Sluggish Start https://t.co/a2Ap5gaGC0

— Ben Pershing (@benpershing) August 18, 2023

… That Jared Kushner just might be, at the very least, underqualified to provide value for payments rendered.

From the first announcement of MBS’s ‘generous funding‘, Kushner’s ‘Affinity’ was blatantly a pay-off, with a small side bet that the grift could be continued after 2020. If Grift-Daddy’s ever-multiplying legal troubles have even Rupert Murdoch’s premier excuse-mongering outlet sliding towards admitting that it’s over, I for one can only applaud shoving Jared down the metaphorical stairs.

Jared Kushner set up last year at Tel Aviv’s Hilton Hotel overlooking the Mediterranean Sea, aiming to spend some of the $3 billion that Gulf nations had pledged for him to invest…

Kushner left Tel Aviv last spring without writing any checks.

More than a year later, while collecting millions in management fees, Kushner says he is just now poised to invest in his first Israeli company.

Kushner admits that he has been slow to sign deals and sees that as savvy business sense…

“Deployment has been slower than expected because we maintained high standards,” Kushner said. “In retrospect, I’m glad we didn’t follow the herd.”…

Kushner and Mohammed developed an unusually close relationship while Trump was in the White House. In a memoir released last year, Kushner wrote that he repeatedly called the Saudi crown prince to secure help on key U.S. foreign policy issues, including oil prices. Kushner’s appeals created intense friction in the Trump administration, with then-Secretary of State Rex Tillerson accusing Trump’s son-in-law of undercutting his authority…

When pressed on the issue, some Republicans have criticized Kushner, who had little experience in the field when he started Affinity.

“I think that what Kushner did crossed the line of ethics,” Rep. James Comer (R., Ky.) said earlier this month on CNN.

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(Yes, that would be the same Rep. Comers currently engaged in chasing Hunter Biden’s dick pics laptop.)

Saudi Arabia invested $2 billion with Kushner, making it Affinity’s largest investor. The kingdom agreed to pay Kushner tens of millions in management fees each year—even if he didn’t invest the money, said some Saudi officials involved in the deal.

The arrangement isn’t uncommon in the industry, but some Saudi officials viewed it as inappropriate for someone of his experience level. Mohammed overruled those concerns, said the Saudis involved in the deal.

Critics say that Kushner’s ability to collect substantial fees while making few investments fuels concerns that the Saudi money was payback for helping the kingdom in the White House and an effort to secure access to the Trump family if Trump returns to the White House in 2025.

“It appears to be money for nothing,” said Norm Eisen, a senior fellow in Governance Studies at the Brookings Institution. “In the absence of material transactions, this goes beyond a raised eyebrow to profound concerns about possible impropriety and quid pro quos.”…

“I’ve never seen anything like it”: Economic analyst stunned at sources of Jared Kushner’s funds. Just 1% of investments in Kushner’s fund came from sources in the United States

https://t.co/xjnj4Gvl9l

— Mike Walker (@New_Narrative) August 17, 2023

That tiny grey sliver he is pointing to is the amount of money Jared Kushner got from US investors. The rest is from foreign entities. pic.twitter.com/JTq12HB0Pq

— Ron Filipkowski (@RonFilipkowski) August 14, 2023

TL; DR…

Economic analyst Steven Rattner on Monday shared a pie chart showing that all but 1% of the $3 billion in investments in former President Donald Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner’s private equity firm Affinity Partners came from foreign sources after he “spent much of his White House tenure cozying up” to Saudi Arabia and Crown Prince Mohamed bin Salman. The Saudis invested $2 billion in Kushner’s fund while the United Arab Emirates and Qatar each added another $200 million. About $625 million came from other non-U.S. sources while only $31 million came from sources inside the U.S. Rattner told MSNBC that he’s “never seen this” in 40 years in the business.

“I’ve never seen somebody get two-thirds of their money from a single investor. Usually a single investor might be a few percent of the fund, might be 5 percent, occasionally 10 percent,” he said. While Kushner has hired some people for his fund, “I’ve seen nothing else about what he’s actually done with the money,” Rattner continued.

“It is normal to invest this money over a period of several years, so I don’t think we can draw a firm conclusion yet. But, again, we’re going back to a guy who’s a real estate guy, and frankly, not a particularly good one at that, who’s suddenly got $3 billion trying to do private equity deals competing against people who’ve been in this business for a long time. And I wouldn’t, if I were the Saudis, count on making a lot of money from this any time soon,” he said, adding: “U.S. private equity firms still raise the vast bulk of their money from U.S. investors. This is extraordinary — unprecedented — I’ve never seen anything like it.”

Steven Rattner on the $2 billion Jared Kushner received from the Saudis:

“The board of it voted against giving the money to Jared and they were overruled by MBS…

I’ve been in this business for 40 years I’ve never seen someone gets $2 billion…two third of their money from a… pic.twitter.com/ACipADtyXp

— Republicans against Trump (@RpsAgainstTrump) August 14, 2023

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War for Ukraine Day 543: Chernihiv One Day On

by Adam L Silverman|  August 20, 20235:01 pm| 81 Comments

This post is in: Foreign Affairs, Foreign Policy, Military, Open Threads, Russia, Silverman on Security, War, War in Ukraine

(Image by NEIVANMADE)

President Zelesnskyi is traveling again today. I expect that his address will come in very late again. Yesterday’s came in after it had become today in Ukraine. As such, I’m going to go ahead and post this now.

Condemnation of Russia’s strike on civilian targets in Chernihiv yesterday are being made:

The international community has strongly condemned this violent attack. Estonian President Alar Karis expressed his hope that all Russian military criminals would face a tribunal, “Russian terror is endless. Shocking cruelty in Chernihiv. Bombing civilian buildings is not only inhumane, but also a war crime.” He added that Estonia will continue to support Ukraine.

Moldovan President Maia Sandu also emphasized that the Russian Federation’s blatant aggression against civilians should not go unpunished, saying, “Russia must be held accountable for its atrocities in Ukraine.”

Bridget Brink, the United States ambassador to Ukraine, commented on the “horrible news of the shelling of the historical center of Chernihiv.” She wrote on Twitter, “Horrified by news of today’s daytime attack on the historic center of Chernihiv. Innocent men, women, and children enjoying a beautiful Saturday – a holiday in Ukraine – should never end up killed or wounded.” Brink condemned Russian missile and drone strikes on Ukrainian cities, ports, and the population, stating that it reflects the depths to which Russia has sunk and must be stopped. She also expressed her condolences, saying, “Together with the people of Ukraine, we mourn this tragedy.”

US Secretary of State Antony Blinken called on Russia to immediately end its “cruel war.” He strongly condemned the recent missile strike on the innocent civilians of Chernihiv, stating on Twitter, “We condemn in the strongest terms yet another horrific missile attack on innocent civilians in Chernihiv. We mourn this tragic loss of life, and our hearts are with the families of victims. The U.S. will always stand by the people of Ukraine. Russia must end its brutal war now.”

More at the link!

Six-year-old Sofia, who was killed today by a russian missile in Chernihiv.
In a few days, she would have started her first year in school. pic.twitter.com/Xklh0Z27Rp

— Defense of Ukraine (@DefenceU) August 19, 2023

Max Galkin, a Ukrainian-Israeli comedian, dedicated this post to her (machine translated):

weekends, city, center, theatre, children, death. The little girl smiled, lived, hoped, laughed, no matter what, we do not choose the time of childhood, rockets fly and fly, sirens howl, and childhood goes on, a little man lives on the threshold of a new big life, and this little fragile man has adult uncles in medals say, they say, you won’t have this great life, we have other plans, today is your last day, accompanying losses. Our big minister said that this is what it is called, he says, we did not come up with it. And he, in our largest country, is responsible for all our affairs that do not concern us. Associated losses. Why won’t the girl smile anymore? I don’t have the strength to look at her smile. I can’t even show a photo of the girl. Is this someone’s favorite girl? I think that here they are, her loved ones, relatives, accidentally open the phone, and from someone else’s phone she looks at them, and it’s already hard for them. Why is their girl in thousands of other people’s phones? Because she’s now a collateral loss. Related. What kind of path is this, on which such losses? Where we are going? Uncle minister knows better. Or maybe he doesn’t know what the path is either. He soothes himself. But this adult uncle who pressed the button, can he look at the smile that is no longer there? Or does he not use the Internet? Or uses, but does not tell anyone, so calmer. And then there are individual adult aunts with cats, loving mothers and grandmothers with geraniums on the windowsill, who will now write that I did not remember the girl in Palestine, or they will grumble right there that I am quarreling people. This calms them down… A beautiful theatre, still standing after the blow, I once performed in it, joked, people laughed, every theater is a living soul, I feel that way. Like a wall, a stone, but a living soul. So many people walk the earth, they press the buttons, and the souls are dead. And this theater has a living soul and will live on. Condolences to the residents of Chernihiv

Much, much more after the jump:

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https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1693206341135778108

Chernihiv. A day has passed since the russian missile attack. Seven people were killed, and doctors are fighting to save the lives of the injured. Although the theater was destroyed, we only have grown stronger, more determined, and more certain of our victory. Evil will be dealt with. No amount of terror can prevent this punishment.
📷 Efrem Lukatsky, Paula Bronstein, Oleg Petrasyuk, Suspilne

Chernihiv. The aftermath of the russian terrorist attack.
📷 Paula Bronstein pic.twitter.com/4TZMyARdC9

— Defense of Ukraine (@DefenceU) August 20, 2023

Here’s a better look at one of the Russian missiles as it hit the Chernihiv theater:

Absolutely horrific strike by the Russian invaders in Chernihiv.

This Made-in-Russia garbage missile with its low quality aiming system ricocheted on the street and smashed into this building, across the Shevchenko Drama Theatre. You can even see children and presumably the… pic.twitter.com/Jc3lAeI3sX

— (((Tendar))) (@Tendar) August 19, 2023

Absolutely horrific strike by the Russian invaders in Chernihiv.

This Made-in-Russia garbage missile with its low quality aiming system ricocheted on the street and smashed into this building, across the Shevchenko Drama Theatre. You can even see children and presumably the father carrying one of the kids away from that carnage.

At least one 6-year old girl has been killed by this heinous terrorist attack.

Source: https://t.me/uniannet/108624

#Ukraine #Chernihiv

 

‘We are ready to exchange Belgorod for Ukraine's NATO membership’ – Zelensky at press conference with Denmark Mette Frederiksen, answering to the question whether Ukraine is ready to give up territory. pic.twitter.com/meAoyScGmJ

— Maria Avdeeva (@maria_avdv) August 20, 2023

Very productive, focused, and concrete talks with @Statsmin Mette Frederiksen.

Our pilots and engineers have already began their training in Denmark.

Denmark will provide Ukraine with 19 F-16s. We are working on the speed of preparations.

During the talks we also discussed… pic.twitter.com/WyPVZ5meLj

— Volodymyr Zelenskyy / Володимир Зеленський (@ZelenskyyUa) August 20, 2023

Very productive, focused, and concrete talks with @Statsmin Mette Frederiksen.

Our pilots and engineers have already began their training in Denmark.

Denmark will provide Ukraine with 19 F-16s. We are working on the speed of preparations.

During the talks we also discussed the possibility of expanding training missions — the algorithm is clear.

Our F-16 coalition is proving its efficiency.

Thank you, Denmark!

STATEMENT ON STRENGTHENING OF THE UKRAINIAN AIR FORCE – DONATION OF F16 https://t.co/urr3G9hoQE pic.twitter.com/EuYcy4Oe2h

— Denmark MFA 🇩🇰 (@DanishMFA) August 20, 2023

Today, we took another step to strengthen Ukraine's air shield. F-16s.

These jets will be used to keep Russian terrorists away from Ukrainian cities and towns.@MinPres Mark Rutte and I reached an agreement on the number of F-16s to be transferred to Ukraine once our pilots and…

— Volodymyr Zelenskyy / Володимир Зеленський (@ZelenskyyUa) August 20, 2023

Today, we took another step to strengthen Ukraine’s air shield. F-16s.

These jets will be used to keep Russian terrorists away from Ukrainian cities and towns. @MinPres
Mark Rutte and I reached an agreement on the number of F-16s to be transferred to Ukraine once our pilots and engineers have completed their training.

42 jets. And this is just the beginning.

Thank you, Netherlands!

The Ukrainians will at some point receive 61 F-16s once all the training is completed for the pilots, the flight crews, the engineers, and the mechanics.

Here are some details on where things stand with the training program:

Currently, a certain number of 🇺🇦 pilots, engineers and technicians have started training on F-16 aircraft. The training program also includes English language training, because the basic level of a foreign language is not enough. The minimum term for pilot training is 6 months -… pic.twitter.com/kGaxHG8gpd

— Special Kherson Cat 🐈🇺🇦 (@bayraktar_1love) August 19, 2023

Currently, a certain number of 🇺🇦 pilots, engineers and technicians have started training on F-16 aircraft. The training program also includes English language training, because the basic level of a foreign language is not enough. The minimum term for pilot training is 6 months – the Minister of Defense of 🇺🇦 in an interview
https://24tv.ua/f-16-rozpochali-vzhe-navchannya-ukrayinski-piloti_n2375551?utm_source=webpush

 

Given recent developments around the "Gripen," I'd like to acknowledge Sweden's display of initiative. Swedish equipment such as Strv 122s, CV90s, Archers, NLAWs, and more – is now establishing its reputation on the battlefield, leaving a lasting impact on the military industry. pic.twitter.com/vmXtAONQbt

— Tatarigami_UA (@Tatarigami_UA) August 20, 2023

Happy Russian Aviation Day!
This day is among its worst in this war so far.
Many happy returns. pic.twitter.com/aSWWoCQhGL

— Illia Ponomarenko 🇺🇦 (@IAPonomarenko) August 20, 2023

UPD: It looks like there was one Tu-22 heavily damaged/destroyed.

— Illia Ponomarenko 🇺🇦 (@IAPonomarenko) August 20, 2023

The Russians just let a UA drone travel over 700km over Russian territory before whiteout getting hit. How the hell do they think they can take on NATO air power? Their air bases would be taken out by western cruise missiles in a matter of hours. pic.twitter.com/G5deAFBFbl

— Def Mon (@DefMon3) August 20, 2023

Bellingcat’s Christo Grozev has an interesting and excellent thread on what is going on with Wagner. First tweet from the thread, the rest of the thread from the Thread Reader App.

I keep getting asked what's going to happen with PMC Wagner. My answer usually is "no one knows, not even Prigozhin or Putin", but there are a few things that can be put on the record for the time being, based both on leaks by in-fighting clans, ex-mercs, & phone data (short 🧵)

— [email protected] (@christogrozev) August 19, 2023

First, a reminder of the context: at the start of the war, Wagner was not invited to the table. On the assumption of a quick victory for 🇷🇺, generals at MoD and GRU set up their own PMC, both to seize control away from Prigozhin, but also to dip into the (corrupt) funding flows. 
The top general who in late 2021 was put in charge of creating the new PMC (variously called Reduta or Zvezda) was Gen. Vladimir Alexeev (yes, the same one who famously sat down to negotiate with Prigozhin on the day of the abortive coup attempt)
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Alexeev had recruited Wagner’s former “Intelligence chief” and used him as the recruiter for the new, competing PMC. This was Anatoly Karzai, a former Spetznaz lt. colonel who was big in the Russia’s bikers’ circles.Image
Naturally, Prigozhin found out about the competing operation and (as reported by two former mercenaries) went to the GRU HQ to confront Alexeev, and threatened his ex-employee Karаziy (typo in name previous tweet) with physical violence . 
Karaziy and Alexeev won that battle, but lost the war (literally), as their PMC was decimated in the first days of the war and Prigozhin had to be begged to bring the original Wagner into the war as of end of March 2022. 
Back to modern day.. After the final fall-out with Wagner this past June, MoD and GRU tried to recruit as many of Wagner’s top commanders and mercenaries into Redut/Zvezda/MoD. However, not a whole lot responded. 
The only commander that Alexeev/Karaziy were able to steal away from Wagner after the failed coup was a colonel with callsign Seriy (the grey-ing one). @bellingcat wrote about his role in Wagner, especially in Syria, in 2020: To the (mirror) left of Putin. bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-eu…
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Putin Chef’s Kisses of Death: Russia’s Shadow Army’s State-Run Structure Exposed – bellingcatYevgeny Prigozhin can be described as the Renaissance man of deniable Russian black ops. An ex convict who served time for robbery, fraud and involving a minor in drinking and criminal activity, he be…https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2020/08/14/pmc-structure-exposed/
Troshev is now “the Utkin”, or the mil. commander, of Redut. And he is now the target of a character assassination campaign by his former Wagner buddies, bringing back a 2017 incident when he was found passed out in the street with secret Syria maps)

В больницу Петербурга попал Герой России с миллионами и картой СирииПолковник полиции в отставке с 5 млн рублей в кармане госпитализирован в одну из больниц Петербурга.https://www.fontanka.ru/2017/06/06/021/
However, rather than recruiting mercenaries for fighting in Ukraine, the GRU-controlled Redut is reported to be hiring now primarily for overseals/Africa postings. Wagner-aligned channels are accusing MoD of trying to divert resources to replace Prigozhin in lucrative markets. 
So the main conflict between Prigozhin and the MoD appears to mostly on the future of “kuratorstvo” of African/middle-east client states (and resource markets), rather than “how to win the war in Ukraine”. 
Prigozhin (who offered full-service assistance to his “client states”, including spin-doctors, psyops and electoral interference as needed) has created some strong local allegiances in Africa, and won’t give them up without a fight.Image
One thing appears certain: insofar as MoD/GRU need to allocate resources – both focus and 000’s of mercenaries – to win over Africa from Prigozhin, this is focus and resources unavailable to them on the ground in Ukraine. 
(а correction to Troshev’s call sign – Sedoy, not Seriy – the gray-ing one, not the “gray” one). 

That’s enough for tonight.

Your daily Patron!

Reposting this from last night.

It is my city Chernihiv. Drama Theater. 90 wounded. Ballistic missile. 7 dead. 1 dead child. 0 military facilities nearby. Genocidal purposes only. They want every Ukrainian to die.
I want russia not to exist. #ArmUkraineNow
Video: UNITED24 pic.twitter.com/kuTaEbVewG

— Patron (@PatronDsns) August 19, 2023

There is also a new slideshow at Patron’s official TikTok. Those don’t embed here, so click across to see it.

Open thread!

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Hillary Nails It – Trump and His Supporters are Rooting Against America

by WaterGirl|  August 20, 202312:47 pm| 251 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Politics

Trump and his supporters are rooting against America.

How fucked up is that?

How fucked up is a campaign based on “I hate America, and here are the ways I intend to destroy democracy in America?

Even more fucked up is that some people listen to him and think “I’ll vote for that!  I’ll vote to destroy our country and everything it has always stood for!”

Hillary totally nails it.  h/t UncleEb 

And since it’s an open thread, here’s a picture of some of the peppers I just harvested.

Bonus point for naming all the kinds of peppers!

Open thread!

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Open Thread (and Legal Zoom Reminder – Sunday 3 pm Eastern)

by WaterGirl|  August 20, 202310:35 am| 89 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads

This is a totally open thread, but I am sneaking in a quick reminder that TODAY (Sunday) is the Legal Zoom with Imm!

The zoom link I sent everyone last week works for the zoom this week, as well.

If you have lost the link or never asked for it at all, please send me an email message!

I made peach-cherry-lemon popsicles yesterday, and I ate my first one last night.  Turns out that I read 4.5 Tablespoons and my brain turned it into 4.5 ounces, which is double that.  oops!  No one could say that this batch of popsicles is too sweet!

*and it’s a recipe that I originally made up.  duh.

Open thread.

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Sunday Morning Open Thread: Bad News for Space Fans

by Anne Laurie|  August 20, 20237:54 am| 147 Comments

This post is in: Foreign Affairs, Open Threads, Space

So disappointing for all the scientists, engineers and explorers to see Luna 25 crash. All eyes now on India, attempting south Moon landing in 3 days. @isro pic.twitter.com/q4Gk8agBCq

— Chris Hadfield (@Cmdr_Hadfield) August 20, 2023

Yes, Russia deserves all the bad news right now, but it’s still sad for those of us who grew up dreaming of space adventures.

Luna-25: The Luna-25 spacecraft has crashed on the moon, according to the the Russian space agency; in its Telegram feed (via Google translation), the spacecraft "ceased to exist as a result of a collision with the lunar surface" (1/2)

— William Harwood (@cbs_spacenews) August 20, 2023

Luna-25: The Russians said that on Sunday, communications with the spacecraft were cut off after a thruster firing to put the vehicle in a "pre-landing elliptical orbit;" efforts to re-establish contact were not successful

— William Harwood (@cbs_spacenews) August 20, 2023

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Factbox: Russia's Luna-25 moon mission fails: what you need to know https://t.co/v0mAvJvtTF pic.twitter.com/X9VFBJYmvO

— Reuters (@Reuters) August 20, 2023

… It was Russia’s first moon mission since the Soviet Union’s Luna-24 returned with samples from the moon in 1976.

A Soyuz 2.1 rocket carrying the Luna-25 craft blasted off from the Vostochny cosmodrome, 3,450 miles (5,550 km) east of Moscow, at 2:11 a.m. Moscow time on Aug. 11.

The lander was boosted out of Earth’s orbit toward the moon a little over an hour later. It entered the moon’s orbit on Aug. 16 and was due to attempt a soft landing on Monday…

WHAT DOES FAILURE MEAN FOR RUSSIA?
Failure for the prestige mission underscores the decline of Russia’s space power since the glory days of Cold War competition when Moscow was the first to launch a satellite to orbit the Earth – Sputnik 1, in 1957 – and Soviet cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin became the first man to travel into space in 1961.

Russia had not attempted a moon mission since Luna-24 in 1976, when Leonid Brezhnev ruled the Kremlin. Luna-25 was supposed to execute a soft landing on the south pole of the moon on Aug. 21, according to Russian space officials.

Failure also underscores the pressure on Russia’s $2 trillion economy, which has so far withstood what the West casts as the most stringent sanctions ever imposed…

Over the past three decades, Russia has considered various moon missions which were delayed or shelved amid the chaos of the 1991 fall of the Soviet Union and the ensuing economic and political turmoil.

The failure of the 2011 Fobos-Grunt mission to one of the moons of Mars underscored the challenges facing Russia’s space programme: it could not even exit the earth’s orbit and fell back to earth, smashing into the Pacific Ocean in 2012.

Eventually, in the early 2010s, Russia settled upon the idea of the Luna-25 mission to the south pole of the moon.

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Late Night Open Thread: He Can Buy ‘Followers’, But He Can’t Buy Friends

by Anne Laurie|  August 20, 20231:36 am| 41 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Tech News & Issues, Riveted By The Sociological Significance Of It All, Sociopaths

Damn, Musk may have more children than actual followers. https://t.co/uKv2SZY0QS

— Dana Houle (@DanaHoule) August 19, 2023

“Of the 153,209,283 X accounts following Musk…around 42% of Musk's followers, or more than 65.3 million users, have zero followers… Just over 72%, or nearly 112 million, of these users following Musk have less than 10 followers on their account.” https://t.co/8AByMcfd4k

— Mehdi Hasan (@mehdirhasan) August 18, 2023

… Mashable has reviewed new data collected by third-party researcher Travis Brown, who compiled basic account information on all of Musk’s more than 153 million followers via a meticulous process that respected X’s rate limit parameters…

Of the 153,209,283 X accounts following Musk at the time the data was collected, around 42 percent of Musk’s followers, or more than 65.3 million users, have zero followers on their own account. Just over 72 percent, or nearly 112 million, of these users following Musk have less than 10 followers on their account.

When it comes to content creation on the platform, more than 62.5 million Musk followers have zero tweets. This would include users who have deleted all of their tweets by the time this data was collected over the past few weeks as well as accounts that have never before tweeted. More than 100 million Musk followers have less than 10 tweets posted to their account.

Another very interesting detail from Musk’s follower data is exactly when his followers created their accounts. Musk completed his acquisition of Twitter on October 27, 2022. Out of all of Musk’s current followers, more than 25 percent, or 38.9 million, were created on or after that date…

Are Musk’s followers fake?

All of the above data points could signal fake accounts, describe users who are inactive, or even “lurkers” — users who exclusively consume content. It’s likely a combination of all three. However, there are a few further stats that point more to the former two types of users…

An X Premium (aka Twitter Blue) revelation
One last data point of note is just how many of Musk’s followers subscribe to X Premium, Musk’s $8 per month paid subscription service formerly known as Twitter Blue. Musk has routinely promoted the product from his account, focusing on the premium features that come with it like the verification badge or monetization eligibility. A subscription to X Premium has often been associated with personal support for Musk himself by the platform’s users.

However, according to this latest collection of @ElonMusk follower data, only around 453,000 Musk followers or 0.3 percent subscribe to X Premium. Mashable reported earlier this week that there were around 830,000 X Premium subscribers in total based on another data set compiled by Brown…

Not a tech expert, but if Musk (or more likely his misfortunate remaining employees) are bulk-buying bot accounts, at least they’re not wasting extra money on active accounts.

To put this is perspective:

Musk could have paid 150m people $8 a month to follow him for an entire year.

And saved $30 billion dollars. https://t.co/XuP31Q3WBw

— Fr. Robert Ballecer, SJ (@padresj) August 18, 2023

It does probably explain the Friday-news-dump ‘announcement’ that X-Twitter will be disabling the BLOCK feature. From everything I’ve seen, such an action would get X-Twitter kicked off all the most widely-used apps, even if he had the staff to go through with his announcement, which he almost certainly doesn’t. But it *did* serve as a distraction for all the media people who still depend on X-Twitter for their livelihoods, as well as broadcasting His Lordship’s imperial displeasure.

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The thing you have to understand about Musk is that more than anything else, he is personally offended if he is not the main character.

While he is cool with white supremacists, he would press a button killing every other white person in an instant if everyone knew it was him.

— Starfish Unexpectedly Cancelled For Hating Hitler (@IRHotTakes) August 18, 2023

I don't think Elon bought Twitter to destroy it.

It's like the Mark Z. fight.

He tricked himself into thinking he wanted it.

He then shit his pants.

And then he tried to punish everyone who noticed his tricking himself into shitting his own pants.

— L O L G O P (@LOLGOP) August 19, 2023

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