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For Real?!

by WaterGirl|  June 15, 20249:05 pm| 40 Comments

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Look out, Florida, here we come!

🚨 🚨

BREAKING

Thanks to one of the most Herculean grassroots advocacy efforts I’ve ever seen, along w incredible support from so many to ensure filing fees were paid, there IS a QUALIFIED/VERIFIED Democratic candidate for EVERY state house and senate district in Florida

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— David Pepper (@DavidPepper) June 14, 2024

As the saying goes, hell hath no fury like Democrats who have been subjected to corruption and abuse of power for close to 10 years!

More of this, please.

Open thread.

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War for Ukraine Day 843: The Global Peace Summit

by Adam L Silverman|  June 15, 20247:34 pm| 23 Comments

This post is in: Foreign Affairs, Foreign Policy, Military, Open Threads, Russia, Silverman on Security, War, War in Ukraine

Painting by NEIVANMADE. It has a white background an in the center are Soldiers in green doing air defense by firing at incoming Russian missiles in the upper right. The missiles are red and yellow. In the upper left, written in green, is the text: "SAVE THE BRAVEST PEOPLE IN THE WORLD!" Below the Soldiers, also written in green, is "SUPPORT FOR KHARKIV"

(Image by NEIVANMADE)

Quick Rosie update: she’s doing fine. There’s seems to have been no systemic negative side effects of the chemo this past week. Her next treatment is Monday. Thank you all for the good thoughts, well wishes, prayers, and donations.

Right now the skies over Ukraine are quiet. However, as the Global Peace Summit kicks off we have have the butcher’s bill from last night’s Russian attacks on Kharkiv:

Over the past 24 hours, russian forces have hit Kharkiv Oblast with multiple aerial bombs, killing one woman and wounding two other civilians. The bombing damaged dozens of private houses, a kindergarten, and a farm. pic.twitter.com/YRClMACbgo

— Iryna Voichuk (@IrynaVoichuk) June 15, 2024

“They use KAB bombs solely against civilians and civilian infrastructure, to make people afraid and flee from a city or a community. Hitler did the same thing – carpet bombing.” – Volodymyr Zelenskyy

📹: President Zelenskyy’s interview with the Italian Sky TG24 TV channel https://t.co/FnuqNRLA97 pic.twitter.com/nQwQJcDN2B

— Anton Gerashchenko (@Gerashchenko_en) June 15, 2024

Here is President Zelenskyy’s address from the Global Peace Summit. Video below, English transcript after the jump.

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Today Is the Day When the World Begins to Bring Just Peace Closer – Speech by the President of Ukraine at the First Plenary Session of the Global Peace Summit

15 June 2024 – 19:45

Madam President, thank you.

Thank you for your efforts to organize the Summit and bring about a just peace.

Ladies and gentlemen!

Today is the day when the world begins to bring a just peace closer.

I thank everyone who has worked for this day – every leader, all the teams and advisors, all the states. One hundred and one state and international organizations are now at the Summit, and this is a tremendous success, our success, the common success of all those who believe that a united world, united nations, are stronger than any aggressor.

Distinguished leaders and representatives of states and international organizations! Everyone who is here today for the sake of a just peace!

I am pleased to welcome everyone to the first Peace Summit, which can be the first step towards a just end to the war of Russia against Ukraine. And when we end it justly and fairly for Ukraine – on the basis of international law – then every nation in the world will be able to count on the same justice and fairness, on the same effectiveness of the UN Charter, with regard to its rights. And then these words will once again have their full power: “We the peoples of the United Nations determined to save succeeding generations from the scourge of war, which twice in our lifetime has brought untold sorrow to mankind, and to reaffirm faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person, in the equal rights of men and women and – so important! – of nations large and small, and to establish conditions under which justice and respect for the obligations arising from treaties and other sources of international law can be maintained.” These are the first words of the UN Charter, but they are also the words that describe the Essence of the Peace Formula, which became the basis of the Peace Summit and encouraged all parts of the world and different nations – with equal respect – to participate in our joint work – the Peace Summit. Our unity here proves that the very idea of international law remains alive and effective. Your presence here proves that the UN Charter and the basic conventions are not a formality, but the real foundations of coexistence among peoples. Our principles are clear:

No one has the right to wage a war of aggression against a neighbor and undermine one of the basic principles of the UN Charter – the territorial integrity of states. No one has the right to threaten the world with nuclear weapons. No one has the right to undermine food, energy or any other security of the world and its regions. No one has the right to kidnap the children of another nation. No one has the right to undermine peace. We are able to ensure the effectiveness of such principles – these are globally important principles.

I am grateful to you, distinguished leaders and representatives of states and international organizations, for proving that the world may not fall into total war anymore… The war, Russia unfortunately brought to us – to Ukraine, to our homes, to Ukrainian cities and villages, and hundreds, hundreds of them were unfortunately completely burned by Russian bombs, artillery and missiles. Putin has taken the lives of thousands of our people. Why? Because he wants to take over a neighboring country. I do not wish this to anyone. I sincerely wish that all of you, all the peoples of the world, every child, every family, could simply live without war. And I want this for all Ukrainians. Ukraine has the right to peace. Just like all of you.

Ladies and gentlemen!

We must stop this war. Based on the UN Charter, respect for international law, the just interests of the Ukrainian people, and the idea of the undeniable value of human life – life, not war.

Now we will focus on three points – on what is useful to everyone in the world – without exception. The first point is radiation and nuclear safety. The second is food security. The third is the release of prisoners and deportees, adults and children, military and civilians whose lives have been broken by war…

We will focus on these initial points of the Peace Formula, and in the process of working on them we can reach an agreement and create an action plan for each point of the Peace Formula.

Therefore, this inaugural Peace Summit includes three panels where each participating country can show its leadership. The Peace Formula is inclusive, and we are happy to hear and work on all proposals, all ideas – what is really needed for peace and what is important to you, dear friends. I urge all of you to be as active as possible. I am proud that all parts of the world – all continents – are now represented at the Peace Summit. We have managed to avoid one of the most terrible things, namely, the division of the world into opposing blocs. Here, there are representatives from Latin America, Africa, Europe, Middle East and Asia, the Pacific, North America, and religious leaders… One hundred and one participants! And no one has the privilege of deciding for another. This is true multipolarity – when each political pole of the Earth is represented and has its own influence in solving a globally important issue.

No one doubts that the global majority wants to guarantee all aspects of security, including nuclear and food security. The majority of the world definitely supports the principle of territorial integrity of states, sovereignty of nations and equality in relations between peoples. The world majority definitely wants to live without bloody crises, deportations and ecocides… And so, every nation that is not represented now and that shares the same values of the UN Charter in deed and word, will be able to join our work in the next stages. The Peace Formula encourages all the powers of the world to think about ending the war and to propose how to end it, and therefore the very idea of war – has already lost. Putin should switch from the language of ultimatums to the language of the world majority, which wants a just peace.

Distinguished leaders and representatives of states!

What exactly can this Summit deliver?

First is to prove that the return of security is indeed possible. We will work out the steps with you.

Second is to provide a real plan to make every step for peace work. From nuclear and food security to the release of prisoners and deportees, to the complete end of the war without the threat of its new outbreak. I believe it is possible.

Third, there is no need to reinvent the wheel when the UN Charter already defines the foundations of peace and normal coexistence of peoples. So, we just have to return to them. And for this purpose, we need to decide how countries will cooperate, who will be co-leaders, in order to fix and implement an action plan.

These are absolutely clear and achievable goals.

Now there is no Russia here. Why? Because if Russia was interested in peace, there would be no war. We must decide together what a just peace means for the world and how it can be achieved in a truly lasting way. The UN Charter is the basis for us. And then, when the action plan is on the table, agreed by all, and transparent for the peoples, – then it will be communicated to the representatives of Russia. And so that at the Second Peace Summit we can fix the real end of the war. Now we are starting this path. Together, we must prove that the united world is a world of peace, a world that knows how to act correctly.

Thank you for your attention! Thank you for participating in the Summit! And I hope for fruitful work together. Of course, together. We all need peace.

Слава Україні!

The President of Lithuania:

Sound on 😀 pic.twitter.com/JOuvUx62iS

— Illia Ponomarenko 🇺🇦 (@IAPonomarenko) June 15, 2024

Here’s one Ukrainian Soldier’s take:

“I’m not sure this is going to do anything. Good weapons will do something.”

The Peace Summit starts today in Switzerland. The video shows what Ukrainian Defenders think about it.

Personally, I welcome and totally support the Swiss Peace Summit and am certain of its… pic.twitter.com/ThPkrJ2qrX

— Anton Gerashchenko (@Gerashchenko_en) June 15, 2024

“I’m not sure this is going to do anything. Good weapons will do something.”

The Peace Summit starts today in Switzerland. The video shows what Ukrainian Defenders think about it.

Personally, I welcome and totally support the Swiss Peace Summit and am certain of its significance. But the fate of Ukraine is decided on the battlefield. The AFU are the people on whom peace in Europe ultimately depends.

I would like the politicians on whom decisions depend to look into the eyes of our military and their families.

And I am grateful to all those who, while in safety, understand what is happening on the frontlines, feel empathy for Ukraine, and continue to help us.

📹: DW

The US:

Ukraine will receive $1,5 billion for the energy sector – @KamalaHarris, US VP said during the meeting with President Zelensky.

The money will go towards restoring Ukrainian energy infrastructure that suffered from Russian strikes.

Thank you, US! 🇺🇸🇺🇦 https://t.co/6B3YGNdVFp pic.twitter.com/t0Q8xcbRjj

— Anton Gerashchenko (@Gerashchenko_en) June 15, 2024

Poland:

“I’m sorry to say it, but we, the Western world, are idiots” – Vice Speaker of the Polish Senate Michał Kamiński.

According to him, the Western world is repeating the same mistakes concerning Russia but expects different results.

“It will not happen. If you give them a hand,… pic.twitter.com/fSW26q2ncI

— Anton Gerashchenko (@Gerashchenko_en) June 15, 2024

“I’m sorry to say it, but we, the Western world, are idiots” – Vice Speaker of the Polish Senate Michał Kamiński.

According to him, the Western world is repeating the same mistakes concerning Russia but expects different results.

“It will not happen. If you give them a hand, they will eat you. It’s their nature,” Kamiński added.

Vice Speaker Kaminski is correct!

For you drone enthusiasts:

FPV drones have proven themselves to be effective weapons against the occupiers.
FPV drone operators have proven that despite all the difficulties, they haven’t lost their sense of humor.

📹: @United24media pic.twitter.com/U6VdeDF8xL

— Defense of Ukraine (@DefenceU) June 15, 2024

The reason:

Meet Nazar and Maria. They are a military couple. Nazar is the commander of the artillery battery. Maria is the head of the artillery reconnaissance control point.
They met while studying at the Land Force Academy and married when the full-scale war began.
Now they serve in the… pic.twitter.com/X6GSa9x6zV

— Defense of Ukraine (@DefenceU) June 15, 2024

Meet Nazar and Maria. They are a military couple. Nazar is the commander of the artillery battery. Maria is the head of the artillery reconnaissance control point.
They met while studying at the Land Force Academy and married when the full-scale war began.
Now they serve in the same brigade and fight for the common goal: victory and bright future for their family.

📷: 42nd Mechanized Brigade

The New York Times has published an article detailing Russia’s demands during the early to mid 2022 negotiations. You know, where they poisoned their own oligarch/emissary. Also, as is par for The New York Times‘ course, the headline is terrible. And the framing is the result of Russia successfully setting the informational theater between 2011 and 2014.

With Russia and Ukraine locked in their third year of all-out war, there is no clear path to military victory for either side. Nor are there immediate prospects for a ceasefire and an eventual peace plan, with both sides sticking to irreconcilable positions.

Yet the issues that would need to be tackled in any future peace settlement are evident, and in fact were at the center of negotiations two years ago that explored peace terms in remarkable detail.

Documents reviewed by The New York Times shed light on the points of disagreement that would have to be overcome.

The documents emerged from negotiating sessions that took place in the weeks after the start of the war, from February to April of 2022. It was the only time that Ukrainian and Russian officials are known to have engaged in direct peace talks.

The talks failed as both sides dug in on the battlefield, but not before negotiators produced multiple drafts of a treaty that was supposed to guarantee Ukraine’s future security while fulfilling some of President Vladimir V. Putin’s demands.

Today, even with hundreds of thousands dead and wounded, Moscow and Kyiv appear further from peace than at any other time since the full-scale invasion. On Friday, Mr. Putin said Russia would agree to a ceasefire only if Ukraine handed over four regions the Kremlin has declared part of Russia and dropped its NATO aspirations. It was essentially a demand for capitulation, which the Ukrainian government immediately denounced.

Ukraine’s current demands — a withdrawal of all Russian forces from Ukrainian territory — also appear unrealistic given Mr. Putin’s apparent resolve and his army’s current advantages. This includes the Crimean Peninsula, which Mr. Putin annexed in 2014 in a swift operation that he considers central to his legacy.

But at some point, both sides could return to the negotiating table again — a scenario that is expected to be discussed as Ukraine gathers scores of countries, though not Russia, for a peace conference in Switzerland this weekend. If and when Ukraine and Russia resume direct negotiations, the issues raised in the documents produced at the start of the war, including the status of occupied Ukrainian territories and Ukraine’s future security guarantees, would remain relevant.

Russia initially wanted Ukraine to recognize Crimea as part of Russia.

“Ukraine recognizes the Republic of Crimea and the city of Sevastopol as an integral part (subjects) of the Russian Federation and, in this regard, shall make comprehensive changes to the national legislation.”

By April 15, both sides agreed to exclude Crimea from their treaty — leaving it under Russian occupation but without Ukraine recognizing it.

“Paragraph 1 of Article 2 and Articles 4, 5 and 11 of this Treaty shall not apply to Crimea and Sevastopol.”

An examination of the documents shows that the two sides clashed over issues including weapons levels, the terms of Ukraine’s potential membership in the European Union, and specific Ukrainian laws on language and culture that Russia wanted repealed. Ukraine’s negotiators offered to forgo NATO membership, and to accept Russian occupation of parts of their territory. But they refused to recognize Russian sovereignty over them.

Ukraine proposed never joining NATO or other alliances.

“Ukraine does not join any military alliances, does not deploy foreign military bases and contingents …”

Russia demanded that Ukraine make Russian an official language.

“Ukraine, within 30 (thirty) days after signing this Treaty, shall remove all restrictions on the use of the Russian language in any area in accordance with Annex 2.”

Russia, stunned by the fierce resistance Ukraine was putting up, seemed open to such a deal, but eventually balked at its critical component: an arrangement binding other countries to come to Ukraine’s defense if it were ever attacked again.

At the time, little about these peace negotiations was known, and what has leaked out in the two years since has been shoehorned into wartime talking points by each side. Mr. Putin contends the West pressured Ukraine to reject a peace deal; Ukraine’s Foreign Ministry says that “if Russia wanted peace in 2022, why had it attacked Ukraine in the first place?”

The Times is publishing the documents it obtained in full. They are treaty drafts dated March 17 and April 15, 2022, showing the two sides’ competing proposals and points of agreement; and a private “communiqué” at in-person talks in Istanbul on March 29 that summarized the proposed deal.

The documents were provided by Ukrainian, Russian and European sources, and confirmed as authentic by participants in the talks and other people close to them. Some aspects of these documents have emerged, but most of the material has not been previously disclosed.

In addition to reviewing the documents, The Times spent months interviewing more than a dozen Ukrainian, Russian and Western current and former officials and others close to the talks; they include three members of Ukraine’s negotiating team. Many spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the negotiations.

“We managed to find a very real compromise,” Oleksandr Chalyi, a member of the Ukrainian negotiating team, said at a panel discussion in Geneva last December. “We were very close in the middle of April, in the end of April, to finalize our war with some peaceful settlement.”

The Talks Begin

On Feb. 28, 2022, aides to Poland’s president met a group of senior Ukrainian officials at the border and ferried them by helicopter to a military base near Belarus. The Ukrainians then entered Belarus on their own and met a delegation of Russians led by an adviser to Mr. Putin, Vladimir Medinsky.

It was an unusual moment in the history of warfare: the start of direct talks between the invaders and the invaded, just days after Europe’s biggest war of aggression in three generations had begun.

Some of the Ukrainian negotiators who spoke to The Times thought that Mr. Putin had come to the table so quickly because he never expected his army to stumble so spectacularly. But as far as they could tell, the Russians sitting across from them had little sense of how badly their troops were doing.

When Oleksii Reznikov, the Ukrainian defense minister at the time, said his side had tallied 3,000 Russian soldiers killed in action, Mr. Medinsky appeared surprised and looked over at the top Russian military official at the table.

“No, we only have 80 soldiers” killed, the military official, Aleksandr Fomin, said, Mr. Reznikov recalled.

The negotiators soon shifted to video calls, with the Ukrainians dialing in from a conference room at Mr. Zelensky’s presidential offices, Ukrainian negotiators said, or, a few times, from an underground bunker.

Ukraine made a significant concession: it was ready to become a “permanently neutral state” that would never join NATO or allow foreign forces to be based on its soil. The offer seemed to address Mr. Putin’s core grievance — that the West, in the Kremlin’s narrative, was trying to use Ukraine to destroy Russia.

An Early Draft

Though the two sides engaged in regular video sessions after meeting in Belarus, a treaty draft dated March 17 shows how far apart they remained. The Times reviewed an English-language version that Ukraine provided to Western governments.

Ukraine sought Russia’s assent to international “security guarantees,” by which other countries — including Ukrainian allies who would also sign the agreement — would come to its defense should it be attacked again. It wanted the treaty to apply to Ukraine’s “internationally recognized borders,” even as Russian troops were still trying to take Kyiv.

Ukraine wanted its allies to be treaty-bound to intervene if it was attacked again, such as by…

“…closing airspace over Ukraine, providing necessary weapons, using armed forces in order to restore and subsequently maintain the security of Ukraine as a permanently neutral state.”

The Russian team wanted Ukraine and every other treaty signatory to cancel the sanctions against Moscow they had been levying since 2014 and to publicly call on other countries to do the same. Ukraine was to cede its entire eastern Donbas region and recognize Crimea as part of Russia. A seven-point list targeted Ukraine’s national identity, including a ban on naming places after Ukrainian independence fighters.

The latter demand illustrated one of Mr. Putin’s stated rationales for going to war: he had described Ukraine as an artificial country that should be considered part of Russia.

Russia’s treaty proposals read like a laundry list of Kremlin demands, including that Kyiv-controlled parts of eastern Ukraine be ceded to Russia’s proxy “people’s republics.”

“Ukraine recognizes the independence of the Donetsk People’s Republic and the Luhansk People’s Republic within the administrative boundaries of the former Donetsk and Lugansk regions of Ukraine and, in this regard, shall introduce comprehensive changes to the national legislation.”

“Ukraine shall cancel and henceforth not impose, and also shall publicly call on all states and international organizations to cancel and henceforth not impose, any and all sanctions and restrictive measures imposed since 2014 against the Russian Federation.”

“Ban, with the introduction of criminal liability, the glorification and propaganda in any form of Nazism and neo-Nazism, the Nazi movement and organizations associated therewith, including holding public demonstrations and processions, construction of monuments and memorials and naming toponyms, in particular, streets, settlements and other geographical objects.”

The draft included limits on the size of the Ukrainian armed forces and the number of tanks, artillery batteries, warships and combat aircraft the country could have in its arsenal. The Ukrainians were prepared to accept such caps, but sought much higher limits.

A former senior U.S. official who was briefed on the negotiations, noting how Russian forces were being repelled across northern Ukraine, said Mr. Putin seemed to be “salivating” at the deal.

American officials were alarmed at the terms. In meetings with their Ukrainian counterparts, the senior official recalled, “We quietly said, ‘You understand this is unilateral disarmament, right?’”

Leaders in Poland — early and strong supporters of Ukraine — feared that Germany or France might try to persuade the Ukrainians to accept Russia’s terms, according to a European diplomat, and wanted to prevent that from happening.

To that end, when Poland’s president, Andrzej Duda, met with NATO leaders in Brussels on March 24, he held up the March 17 text, said the diplomat, who was present.

“Which of you would sign it?” Mr. Duda asked his counterparts, the diplomat said.

None of the NATO leaders spoke up.

A Breakthrough in Istanbul?

A few days later, on March 29, Russia and Ukraine’s representatives met at an Istanbul palace on the Bosporus. To some, the talks felt like a breakthrough driven by Russia’s battlefield struggles.

After each military setback, a member of Ukraine’s negotiating team said, Mr. Putin “reduced his demands.”

In Istanbul, the Russians seemed to endorse Ukraine’s model of neutrality and security guarantees and put less emphasis on their territorial demands. Afterward, Mr. Medinsky, Russia’s lead negotiator, said Ukraine’s offer of neutrality meant it was “ready to fulfill those principal demands that Russia insisted on for all the past years.”

Ukraine summarized the proposed deal in a two-page document it called the Istanbul Communiqué, which it never published. The status of Crimea was to be decided over a 10- or 15-year period, with Ukraine promising not to try to retake the peninsula by force; Mr. Zelensky and Mr. Putin would meet in person to finalize a peace treaty and strike a deal on how much Ukrainian territory Russia would continue to occupy.

Zelensky and Putin would meet to hash out final differences, according to the discussions in Istanbul.

“The parties consider it possible to hold a meeting on … … 2022 between the presidents of Ukraine and Russia with the aim to sign an agreement and/or make political decisions regarding the remaining unresolved issues.”

The communiqué, provided to The Times by a Ukrainian negotiator, described a mechanism in which other countries would intervene militarily if Ukraine were attacked again — a concept that the Ukrainians pointedly designated as Article 5, a reference to the mutual defense agreement in Article 5 of the NATO treaty.

To the Ukrainians, binding security guarantees were at the core of a potential peace deal that multiple countries would sign on to.

“Possible guarantor states: Great Britain, China, Russia, the United States, France, Turkey, Germany, Canada, Italy, Poland, Israel.”

“The Guarantor States and Ukraine agree that in the event of aggression, any armed attack on Ukraine or any military operation against Ukraine, each of the Guarantor States, after urgent and immediate consultations between them … will provide … assistance to Ukraine, as a permanently neutral state under attack…”

But Russian officials sent mixed signals in public on whether the Kremlin was really ready to sign onto the deal. The Russians and Ukrainians returned to hourslong negotiating sessions by video call, exchanging treaty drafts via WhatsApp, negotiators said.

‘The Boss’

In early April, after Russia withdrew from the outskirts of Kyiv, images of massacred civilians in the suburb of Bucha, some with their hands tied with white cloth, shocked the world. For Ukrainians, the idea that their country could strike a compromise with Russia seemed more remote than ever.

But Mr. Zelensky, visiting Bucha on April 4, said the talks would go on, even as Russia dismissed the Bucha atrocities as a staged “provocation.”

“Colleagues, I spoke to RA,” Ukraine’s lead negotiator, Davyd Arakhamia, wrote on April 10 in a WhatsApp message to the Ukrainian team. “He spoke yesterday for an hour and a half with his boss.”

“RA” was Roman Abramovich, the Russian billionaire who played a behind-the-scenes role in the talks. His “boss,” Mr. Putin, was urging the negotiators to concentrate on the key issues and work through them quickly, Mr. Arakhamia wrote. (A member of the WhatsApp group showed that message and others to reporters for The Times.)

A spokesperson for Mr Abramovich said his role “was limited to introducing representatives from both parties to each other” and that following that initial stage, he “was not involved in the process.”

Mr. Arakhamia’s message suggested that Mr. Putin was micromanaging not only Russia’s invasion, but also its peace talks. At another point, Russia’s lead negotiator, Mr. Medinsky, interrupted a video conference by claiming that Mr. Putin was phoning him directly.

“The boss is calling,” Mr. Medinsky said, according to two Ukrainian negotiators.

Mr. Putin’s involvement and intentions during the 2022 talks were subjects of debate in Kyiv and Washington, Ukrainian and American officials said. Was he truly interested in a deal? Or was he merely trying to bog Ukraine down while his troops regrouped?

“We didn’t know if Putin was serious,” said the former senior U.S. official. “We couldn’t tell, on either side of the fence, whether these people who were talking were empowered.”

One Ukrainian negotiator said he believed the negotiations were a bluff on Mr. Putin’s part, but two others described them as serious.

On April 15, five days after Mr. Abramovich told the Ukrainians about his meeting with Mr. Putin, the Russian negotiators sent a 17-page draft treaty to their president’s desk.

Sticking Points

Similar to the month-earlier version, the April 15 draft includes text in red highlighting issues in dispute. But such markings are almost entirely absent from the treaty’s first pages, where points of agreement emerged.

Negotiators agreed that Ukraine would declare itself permanently neutral, though it would be allowed to join the European Union.

Russia dropped its earlier objections to Ukraine’s full-fledged E.U. membership.

“The Parties to this Treaty share the understanding that Ukraine’s status as a permanently neutral state is, subject to the provisions of this Treaty, compatible with Ukraine’s possible membership in the European Union.”

Much of the treaty would “not apply” to Crimea and another to-be-determined swath of Ukraine — meaning that Kyiv would accept Russian occupation of part of its territory without recognizing Russian sovereignty over it.

But crucial sticking points remained. Russia wanted the firing range of Ukraine’s missiles to be limited to 25 miles, while Ukraine wanted 174 miles — enough to hit targets across Crimea. Russia still wanted Ukraine to repeal laws related to language and national identity, and to pull back Ukrainian troops as part of a cease-fire.

Russia’s ceasefire proposal declared that Ukraine would need to withdraw its troops on its own territory.

“Ukraine carries out the withdrawal (return) of units of its armed forces, other armed formations, weapons and military equipment to places of permanent deployment or to places agreed upon with the Russian Federation.”

The biggest problem, however, came in Article 5. It stated that, in the event of another armed attack on Ukraine, the “guarantor states” that would sign the treaty — Great Britain, China, Russia, the United States and France — would come to Ukraine’s defense.

To the Ukrainians’ dismay, there was a crucial departure from what Ukrainian negotiators said was discussed in Istanbul. Russia inserted a clause saying that all guarantor states, including Russia, had to approve the response if Ukraine were attacked. In effect, Moscow could invade Ukraine again and then veto any military intervention on Ukraine’s behalf — a seemingly absurd condition that Kyiv quickly identified as a dealbreaker.

Russia tried to secure a veto on Ukraine’s security guarantees by inserting a clause requiring unanimous consent.

“The Guarantor States and Ukraine agree that in the event of an armed attack on Ukraine, each of the Guarantor States … on the basis of a decision agreed upon by all Guarantor States, will provide … assistance to Ukraine, as a permanently neutral state under attack…”

With that change, a member of the Ukrainian negotiating team said, “we had no interest in continuing the talks.”

There is more at the link.

You’ll notice that then, as just yesterday, the core of Putin’s demands haven’t changed very much. There is nothing for Ukraine to negotiate here, because there is no one to actually negotiate with on the Russian side.

Well, yeah, this is what we’ve been saying since 2022.

In Istambul and elsewhere, the Kremlin was issuing knowingly unacceptable and absurd demands to Ukraine – essentially, Ukraine’s complete surrender, military disarmament, extensive territorial concessions, and Ukraine…

— Illia Ponomarenko 🇺🇦 (@IAPonomarenko) June 15, 2024

Well, yeah, this is what we’ve been saying since 2022.

In Istambul and elsewhere, the Kremlin was issuing knowingly unacceptable and absurd demands to Ukraine – essentially, Ukraine’s complete surrender, military disarmament, extensive territorial concessions, and Ukraine effectively staying defenseless and invariably unable to repel another Russian invasion.

Moreover, as idiotically as it sounds, Russians, as part of “security guarantees,” indeed demanded that they have the veto right regarding any sort of Western defense aid to Ukraine in case it is attacked again by Russia.

They never seriously wanted peace or even something remotely similar to a real settlement via compromise.

They were terribly embarrassed by their humiliating defeat at Kyiv in late March 2022, and they were re-grouping their shattered forces from north Ukraine to Donbas — only to initiate another grand phase of the war in the east in mid-April 2022.

So, quite frankly, the idiotic cult of “You had a deal in Istambul, and you declined it” should better read “the deal” on paper and finally stop embarrassing itself.

One has to be either childishly naive or just simply shamelessly pursuing an agenda to unironically call THAT a ‘peace deal’, and, moreover, put the blame on Ukraine for not buying this crap.

The Pokrovsk direction:

Warriors from the 68th Jaeger Brigade repelled another russian assault in the Pokrovsk direction. They destroyed 8 tanks and 8 IFVs. pic.twitter.com/tFCKMEpjOc

— Defense of Ukraine (@DefenceU) June 15, 2024

Vovchansk, Kharkiv Oblast:

❗The russians are surrounded here with zero chances of evacuation or reinforcements.

A bunch of dead and wounded orcs💀💀💀💀💀#Vovchansk🇺🇦 pic.twitter.com/gBywPSCBU4

— Азов South (@Azovsouth) June 15, 2024

Air strike on Russian positions in Vovchansk
50.2904, 36.92842https://t.co/J7qEIrDA5c pic.twitter.com/TK4rgD3W0K

— Special Kherson Cat 🐈🇺🇦 (@bayraktar_1love) June 15, 2024

Donetsk Oblast:

/2. This video of explosion is a detonation of Russian 2S4 Tyulpan from the post above.
(47.85591, 37.678287)https://t.co/Dgny19Tk4x pic.twitter.com/TnYwM0zdX9

— Special Kherson Cat 🐈🇺🇦 (@bayraktar_1love) June 15, 2024

Kreminna front:

Another Russian T-62 destroyed by the 63rd Brigade. Kreminna front. (49.06306, 38.11001)https://t.co/LM88lCtSJEhttps://t.co/Fng2vk6cCD pic.twitter.com/ZtSU7MkEW5

— Special Kherson Cat 🐈🇺🇦 (@bayraktar_1love) June 15, 2024

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This Week’s Inside Baseball Journalism: Does Jeff Bezos ❤️ Will Lewis?

by Anne Laurie|  June 15, 20242:42 pm| 131 Comments

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Sources: Jeff Bezos appears to be standing by Publisher and CEO Will Lewis and has envisioned WaPo growing to reach 100M subscribers from its current 2.5M (New York Times)https://t.co/GqIXHOaiKzhttps://t.co/BPlWz6nwp1

— Mediagazer (@mediagazer) June 14, 2024

Starting back in the 1980s, when they published a weekly tabloid for out-of-town readers, the Washington Post has been my personal paper of record. So, while the NYTimes‘ ongoing journalistic degradation has been interesting, the current attempted Murdochisation of the Post has been personally alarming. I have to assume I’m not alone in this bias!

When billionaire publishers fight with their awards-winning reporters, many words will be expended. This is probably more of them than anyone really needs, but it’s still only a small portion of what I’ve seen this week…

There are 130M households in the United States.

Somewhere there’s a typo, or he’s gone batshit crazy. https://t.co/w99qh9Vp5O

— Dana Houle (@DanaHoule) June 14, 2024


The [ridiculous] number is in the NYTimes piece, for what little that’s worth:

… Mr. Bezos’ decisions to reshape The Post underscore the central role he is playing at the paper he bought for $250 million more than 10 years ago. Mr. Bezos spends more time on other projects, including his space company, Blue Origin, leaving the day-to-day operations and editorial strategy to the chief executive and top editors. But he is ultimately The Post’s most important figure.

He has picked The Post’s chief executives and set the agenda for its business, according to multiple people with knowledge of his interactions with people at the newspaper. He approves The Post’s budget and advises the newspaper on business matters through regular phone calls with the chief executive and occasional meetings with its leadership team.

According to people who have spoken to him, he has said that he believes The Post could reach 100 million paying subscribers, a feat that would catapult it far ahead of competitors. (The Post now has about 2.5 million paying subscribers.)…

Drew Magary, “The Washington Post is about to embrace the darkness”:

It’s easy to execute a news dump when you’re one of the scant few remaining places that bother to properly cover news at all. Such was the case earlier this week at Jeff Bezos’ Washington Post, when executive editor Sally Buzbee — who had replaced venerated former news chief Marty Baron — was unceremoniously forced out by Post leadership after just three years at the helm. The news that Buzbee was given the gate arrived via a companywide email late Sunday night, seemingly without much in the way of advance notice down the masthead: Many of Buzbee’s closest colleagues were caught off guard by the move, Vanity Fair reported, as were the rank and file.

By the time all of those groups had learned of the regime change, it was too late for them to do anything about it. And when Post reporters demanded answers, CEO Will Lewis gave them all of the wrong ones at an all-hands meeting the following morning:

“We are going to turn this thing around, but let’s not sugarcoat it. It needs turning around. We are losing large amounts of money. Your audience has halved in recent years. People are not reading your stuff.”

After casually dumping on his employees’ work (conveniently eliding any external or managerial factors that surely played a much larger role in the paper’s decreased readership), Lewis then told them that the search for Buzbee’s successor was an “iterative, messy” one that he couldn’t describe in any further detail. All reporters there were allowed to know was that their CEO had settled on two men that, by sheer coincidence, happened to be his friends: Matt Murray (who will serve as interim editor) and Robert Winnett (who will assume the job permanently after the election). Not only are all three of these men as white as a block of Monterey Jack, they also happen to have deep roots in upscale conservative media. Lewis and Murray both did long stints with Rupert Murdoch, with Lewis running News Corp’s Dow Jones and Murray coming over from the Wall Street Journal. As for Winnett, he currently runs England’s Daily Telegraph, purveyor of such fine op-ed pieces as, “No one ever says it, but in many ways global warming will be a good thing.”…

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Sources told SFGATE that Sally Buzbee wasn’t necessarily beloved by the people who worked for her at the Washington Post — this tends to happen when you’re taking over the gig from the hero of “Spotlight” — but her newsroom did award-winning work at a time when such work remains desperately needed by the citizenry. Within the past 20 years, nearly 3,000 American newspapers have died. As has nearly every alt-weekly. As have Vice, Gawker Media and Pitchfork. Whether or not you hated any of these individual outlets is beside the point. Collectively, they served as a bulwark against ignorance, corruption and the general f—kery that constantly threatens to overwhelm the United States entirely. That threat is maybe even greater now than it was before: A second Trump presidential term looms, and his plan should he reassume the Oval Office amounts to Nazism, But Clumsier.

The Washington Post, with its extremely metal slogan “Democracy Dies in Darkness,” was one of the few remaining legacy pubs that consistently seemed both willing and able to serve as a check on an increasingly deranged political system. They cranked out thorough, damning work while avoiding either mass attrition or an overarching ideological shift pandering to the right wing of the country, whose appetite for outright bulls—t is never sated. Personally speaking, I rely on the Post’s front section every day for my world news, because it tends to avoid the grotesque squishiness of the New York Times, and because it usually seems to like the journalists in its employ rather than hold them in outright disdain. I don’t always like the Washington Post, but it’s the joint I distrust the least.

I don’t know how much longer I’ll be able to say that…

 

The cleanest, best move: Replace Will Lewis as ⁦@washingtonpost⁩ CEO. But if Bezos won’t (it seems unlikely unless another shoe drops), I have 3 recommendations. Among them: Bring back a public editor or ombudsman. My new ⁦@GuardianUS⁩ column https://t.co/9VkHyImHI7

— Margaret Sullivan (@Sulliview) June 12, 2024

… When Jeff Bezos bought the Post in 2013, it was struggling financially, and its future was uncertain. The billionaire’s ownership not only restored the paper to profitability for several years, but allowed it to regain its prominence. While setting an ambitious tone for technical transformation, he properly kept his hands off the journalism, letting legendary editor Marty Baron do his job.

It worked. The Post made money, boosted digital subscriptions and nimbly took advantage of technology. Fast Company magazine, twice over the past decade, named the Post the most innovative company in media.

More importantly, the Post staff did essential journalism and hewed to standards of integrity. Despite the complaining one hears about how no one covered Donald Trump until it was too late, the Post did, with two of its top reporters even producing a book, Trump Revealed, well before the 2016 election…

But now, all of that is facing an existential threat. And Bezos is very much in charge of how that will play out. He has a decision to make every bit as consequential as his original purchase (for the bargain price of $250m).

This time, he needs to save the Post from his own mistake…

Short of firing Lewis and starting over with another search for a CEO – the cleanest, best move – what can Bezos do?

Several things. He should instruct Lewis to publicly commit to giving the newsroom true editorial independence, pledging not only to the staff but to the public that there is a clear line between the business side and the journalists, and that he won’t breach it again. He should reinstate the role of independent ombudsman or public editor – one that the Post maintained for many years but abandoned in 2013 – to provide transparency and accountability to readers. (I’m not interested in the job, but I do understand its value; I was the New York Times public editor before joining the Post as the media columnist.)

And, though he has not commented publicly, Bezos should do so now – making clear his personal and unwavering support for accountability-oriented journalism independent from the business side of the company…

David Folkenflik, at NPR, seems to have been a catalyst for breaking the bad news:

Some WashPost thoughts, based on conversations with six people with knowledge of events, overlaid with a touch of analysis.

Let’s even call it a 🧵

First: Will Lewis wanted to force out Sally Buzbee and bring a trusted pal to run the WaPo newsroom. He wanted to make his mark.

— David Folkenflik (@davidfolkenflik) June 3, 2024

2/ Buzbee didn’t want to give up her job for an ill-defined position.

Though Lewis praised her as “an incredible leader and a supremely talented media executive who will be sorely missed,” Buzbee offered no comments in statement announcing her departure /con’t

3/ That left Lewis with a conundrum:
His pal, a Brit with no US experience, could not lead the WaPo newsroom during a heated presidential election cycle (not mention unprecendented legal troubles for a former and potentially future president).

Enter Murray.

4/ Murray’s post-election portfolio, from the cheap seats and even some inside the Washington Post, looks like a hodge-podge.
The new platforms/revenue streams/verticals are surely important to Lewis’ pledge to move fast to fix and build a stronger paper, but they don’t cohere.

5. Murray is well regarded from his stint at the WSJ – many Journal alums are saluting him tonight. He is seen as nimble rather than a radical innovator.

Fwiw, it has not gone unnoticed that all three Lewis newsrooms are headed by white males.

6. But Murray won’t be the long-term editor of the paper – despite his title as executive editor. Nor will he oversee the conventional newsroom’s chief. That will be Rob Winnett

As I noted earlier, Winnett was a key reporter on Lewis team breaking Parliamentary expenses scandal

7. A lingering question: Why Winnett, beyond the shared history with Lewis?

Another: Will they foreswear paying sources for scoops, as they did for the British MP expense database? or are they open to redefining US and WaPo journalistic standards against such payments?

8. Another observation: there is queasiness among some at WaPo that these moves represent Lewis’ drive to consolidate power after newsroom gave thorough coverage to troubling Qs facing him in U.K.

No evidence one way or the other on that – may be clarified by detailing timing.

Per Politico‘s Playbook, “Inside the culture clash upending the Washington Post”:

… A series of emerging revelations, stemming from his announcement Sunday that executive editor Sally Buzbee would be leaving, to replaced by two close Lewis associates, have left the Post newsroom “uniformly horrified,” in one reporter’s words.

More consequentially, they have revealed that the clash between Lewis’ rough-and-tumble sensibilities and the Post’s more high-minded culture is even more profound than previously suspected: He can’t seem to figure out where his Fleet Street smarts are necessary and refreshing, and where they are toxic and self-defeating…

Post reporters have responded to the allegations that Lewis breached the wall between the business and editorial sides of the paper with more aggressive reporting on him. “The only way to fix what he broke is to double down on transparency about the whole thing,” one Post reporter told Playbook…

Lewis then added to his woes by going after NPR media reporter David Folkenflik, who reported yesterday that Lewis had offered to horse-trade him an interview if Folkenflik agreed not to publish an article about his alleged entanglement in the phone-hacking scandal.

Lewis, who works with a comms staff out of the U.K. rather than the Post’s in-house flacks, responded by unloading on Folkenflik, calling him “an activist, not a journalist.” He further claimed that he “had an off-the-record conversation with him before I joined you at The Post, and some six months later he has dusted it down, and made up some excuse to make a story of a non-story.”

As a side note, Folkenflik noted in his story that the interview he sought about the Post’s restructuring went to Puck’s Dylan Byers. Asked if Lewis made any kind of offer similar to what Folkenflik described, Byers said, “Of course not. And I have never agreed to anything like that, and I never would.”…

Of course, Dylan Byers is universally known for his journalistic veneration of anybody in possession of big money — publishers pay him to stand in proximity to rich men and whisper reverently ‘So luxe!’ Byers did his prissy best to uphold the honor of money and its minions. Gotta love his italic placement:

… Last week, of course, Lewis very hastily and inelegantly pushed out executive editor Sally Buzbee—she resigned after refusing to accept what was effectively a demotion—and then came under significant fire, following an apparently Buzbee-placed Times story, for allegedly having tried to kill Post stories regarding his old role assisting Rupert Murdoch in the wake of the U.K. phone-hacking scandal. (Lewis denied having pressured Buzbee, and has denied any wrongdoing in the phone hacking affair). Another story, from NPR’s David Folkenflik, asserted that Lewis had offered him an exclusive interview if he dropped a story about the Murdoch saga. The Post newsroom, already anxious and quietly seething about his recent comments that he couldn’t “sugarcoat” the company’s deficiencies, quickly aligned against him. They had already circled the wagons on behalf of Buzbee, a mostly unremarkable editor who had been refashioned as a martyr.

Then Lewis went and made matters worse by being a little too characteristically frank with his feelings about the Post’s performance and the motives of his accusers. He could hardly conceal his resentment in his glib responses to Post reporters for a piece last Thursday. On Friday, recognizing that his Fleet Street candor had violated the etiquette and traditions of institutional Washington journalism, he apologized and committed himself to a listening tour—an attempted reset, or in Post corporate pablum, a chance to fix it.

In any event, Auletta seemed keen to turn the screws, perhaps in part because Buzbee is a fellow Livingston judge. In his opening speech, he called attention to a recent report in Alan Rusbridger’s Prospect highlighting the allegation that Lewis knew of, or was involved in, News Corp.’s decision to delete 30 million emails and discard nine boxes of potential evidence relating to the scandal. (In his prepared remarks, Auletta wrote that Murdoch did this to “cover his ass”; alas, that pithy locution didn’t make it into the actual speech). He then called attention to Lewis’s alleged pressure campaigns against Buzbee and Folkenflik, stating, “Lewis doesn’t get a pass.” (History rhymes, of course: More than a decade ago, Auletta’s New Yorker column had been the vehicle for Jill Abramson’s version of the events surrounding her own ouster from the Times under its then-new British C.E.O., Mark Thompson.)

The tone and tenor of Auletta’s critique conveyed the challenges now facing the Post’s publisher as he seeks to lead the paper out of its financial, editorial, and cultural morass. The man initially seen as the Post’s potential savior has now become its latest scapegoat—which, as I noted last week, may limit his ability to enact the strategic changes that are so obviously necessary…

After last week, however, Lewis must now pull this off with the handicap of adhering to decorum and appeasing the Livingston set—those who, in a fit of magical thinking, expect Jeff Bezos to either fire Lewis (he won’t, not for this anyway) or at least formalize the separation of church and state between front office and newsroom. Alas, the tragedy here is that church and state need to work more closely together to close the $77 million hole on the Post’s P&L. But that’s not conventional wisdom in such circles. This week, former Post media columnist and New York Times public editor Margaret Sullivan called on Bezos to reinstate the role of the ombudsman—epitomizing the misalignment between journalists’ concerns and the existential business problems that actually bedevil the Post. This will not be the last such idea slipped into the public suggestion box, of course…

We’ll see if Lewis’s contrition is effective, but the whole penance tour raises a larger question. Inarguably, the challenges to existing business models call not for more decorum but for greater candor. Indeed, the urgency with which he had initially diagnosed the Post’s problems was actually his most refreshing characteristic. “People are not reading your stuff” may have offended some high priests in the newsroom, but it was also inarguably true. And perhaps the fact that it offended some people says more about the Post’s culture than it does about Lewis, himself…

If the Masters are not allowed to yell at their peons — especially the female ones — what, asks Dylan, is the point to doing journalism, after all?

I can’t parse what the “third newsroom” is but it sounds very 2015–SEO, social, pivot to video–just as AI threatens to be a new web. I am worried that serving “Americans who feel traditional news is not for them but still want to be kept informed” is code for Post as Murdoch.

— Jeff (Gutenberg Parenthesis) Jarvis (@jeffjarvis) June 3, 2024

Josh Marshall, at TPM — “The WaPo Blow-Up And the Ongoing Riddle of Newspaper Decline”

… I don’t know enough about the situation at the Post to add more than you’re hearing from other commentary. There are a lot of things that look bad and I’m fairly confident they are bad. But I don’t know the backstory or details well enough to do more than repeat widely shared impressions. But I have a few ancillary observations.

The first is a simple pattern, not terribly surprising, but still worth absorbing. We’ve seen a series of billionaires get into the news business by purchasing for-profit news entities with what seems like the implicit promise that their vast resources will allow them to focus on journalistic excellence even if that means running losses which the new owner can cover without much difficulty. This seemed like the Bezos concept. He bought the Post when it was seriously on the ropes and when its longtime family owners (the Graham family) simply didn’t have the resources to get the paper back to profitability or to secure its place as one of the 3-to-4 national U.S. newspapers…

… [T]he billionaire eventually gets tired of losing money. On one level, of course they do. That’s just donor fatigue. But not exactly. These aren’t truly charitable efforts. And the funder/owners have more than enough money to sustain the losses forever. But money-losing businesses just don’t sit right with them. It’s not in their DNA. It’s not surprising. These people come out of the world of business. They’re not third generation descendants of business founders…

Second, the Brits. British journalism is just a very sketchy world. I don’t know how else to put it. I mean this journalistically but also in terms of business, though I’m less versed in that part of it. And this is quite apart from the Murdoch domination of the British journalism world. When I was beginning my journalism career and did a lot more international and national security reporting, I realized very quickly and really to my surprise that even what I had understood to be prestige British dailies routinely crossed all sorts of ethical lines. Some of the big ones were pretty openly known as open for business to foreign intelligence services that wanted to place stories. (The Guardian here seems to be the exception among major British papers, and it’s ownership structure is different.) I’m not looking to pick fights here. I don’t apply this to all British journalists… An increasing number of major U.S. publications have recently come under executive leadership by Brits, often from the Murdoch world. That’s not a great development. That applies in spades to The Wall Street Journal, to CNN (though perhaps less damagingly) and now the Post. The recent shake-up has put the whole operation under the management of UK newspaper execs…

Final point. I’ve discussed a lot over the years the core dynamic behind the decline of the American journalism business. It’s not “the internet.” It’s that the Internet robbed American newspapers of their geographical monopolies of commercial speech in their zones of operation. Hard news and certainly political news were essentially loss-leaders funded by the funnies, the crossword, sports, the metro columnists and more. Take away those monopolies and everything falls apart.

The news publications that are now making the finances work at scale are those that can command sufficient time-attention apart from hard news and politics to be able to fund hard news and politics. Last month I saw this post at the gaming site Kotaku which noted that, in terms of time spent, the Times is now more a gaming company than a news company. I found that to be a truly amazing statistic. And it’s a testament to Times news executives in keeping the hoary crossword chunking, making a brilliant strategic investment in Wordle and then adding more similarly addictive things on top of that. Obviously, time spent isn’t the only or best metric. But it’s a pretty important one. If that’s what holding the most Times’ attention-minutes, that must be a huge, huge data point and certainly critical to sustaining lots of subscriptions.

This comes back to the big journalism killer: social media sites created a way of holding readers’ / users’ attention time without the need to create any news content at all. We still don’t have a good way of making news widely economically viable in that reality.

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Some Media Selections

by @heymistermix.com|  June 15, 202411:07 am| 79 Comments

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Some Media Selections

Here are a few varied things I’ve been watching/listening to that aren’t cable or big media.

First, the picture above of Iranian women in the 70’s is via the the_YV_edit TikTok.  Since TikTok is a totally impossible to search platform, I can’t link directly to the particular video where she says she thinks about this picture at least once a week (and how reactionary men in power will, when they get the chance, crush women).  But, pick any of her videos and you’ll get the picture.  She has a no-bullshit take on relationships between women and men from a perspective that is rarely heard in mainstream media.

Lauren Boebert Can’t Lose is a podcast by the City Cast Denver podcasters, and it’s a good review of Boebert’s rise in Colorado politics.  I learned a lot about Boebert and, specifically, why she ran from CO-3 to CO-4.  The third episode, “The Pueblo Problem,” explains how her vote against legislation to provide healthcare to burn pit victims affected Pueblo (which is sort of the blue dot in CO-3), and turned that city, which is heavily populated by veterans, against her.

The regular Denver City Cast is pretty good, too.  Their post-mortem on the CO-4 debate with Kyle Clark is worth a listen to get some experience Colorado journalists’ take on the CO-4 race.  The short summary is that they think that Boebert will win simply because she has 5 opponents and (like the 2016 Republican Presidential primary) nobody was willing to drop out even though it’s clear that they’ll all split the anti-Boebert vote.  Kyle Clark also makes this observation:

I can give you a list of 20 times that Lauren Boebert lied to the public. We could have spent the entire hour on that, so she gets a discount by doing it in bulk. And that’s the problem. And the problem is also that it’s unfair to everybody else up on that stage. And by extension, every other politician that we cover, whether it’s the Mayor of Denver or the Mayor of Aurora or anything else, because things that they would get dinged [for she slides on].

Clark at least recognizes and calls out the fundamental problem with our current media structure and prolific liars like Boebert.  He doesn’t offer a solution other than transparency.

Politico’s piece on Kevin McCarthy’s revenge tour is worth a skim, but one thing stood out — Republicans are spending $14 million in a primary battle in VA-05 to try to (keep/unseat) incumbent Bob Good.  Here’s the thing about that district:  it has a R+7 PVI, which is a reach, but possible for a good Democratic challenger.  (CO-3, which is R+6, would almost certainly have gone to Democratic challenger Adam Frisch).  Hopefully the $14 million of shit talk ads will have some impact on the general election.

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Saturday Morning Open Thread: Vice-President Harris Is Busy

by Anne Laurie|  June 15, 20247:28 am| 215 Comments

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The @RollingStone Interview: @VP @KamalaHarris talks about the urgency of the upcoming election, the attack on reproductive rights, Trump's "gaslighting" of the American people, and more.

"What kind of country do we want to live in?"

Interview: https://t.co/d2QfNjvWTr pic.twitter.com/1N316eOtle

— Rolling Stone (@RollingStone) June 11, 2024

Longish read, which is why I saved it for the weekend. Rolling Stone, “Kamala Harris: ‘What Kind of Country Do We Want to Live In?’”:

ONE AFTERNOON IN LATE APRIL, Vice President Kamala Harris climbed into a large black car parked in the garage of the CBS Broadcast Center on New York’s West 57th Street and sat bolt-upright in the leather seat. She’d just finished taping an episode of The Drew Barrymore Show — remaining magnanimous as Barrymore had pawed at Harris’ burgundy blazer and pleaded with her to be the country’s “Momala” — and was shortly on her way to a dinner in the GM Building that software and investment executive Charles Phillips had arranged in order for Black finance leaders to share their advice for the campaign (“We’ve got a lot to fight, but this is a fight we can win,” she’d assured those assembled at one end of a sleek room with soaring views of Manhattan). These were strategic visits, and evidence of the administration’s growing reliance on Harris to connect with key demographics (suburban women, Black men) who may not be overly enamored with the prospect of another four years helmed by one of two old white men.

But for the moment, Harris’ thoughts were not on the day’s specific demands or what they might mean come November. They were on what had happened that morning at the Supreme Court. More specifically, they were on the arguments that had taken place over what should befall a pregnant woman were she to enter an emergency room in Idaho: Should she be treated like a real person and offered the full range of medical interventions available to protect her health, her organs, and her future fertility? Or should she be treated like a vessel of the unborn and only granted an abortion if the imminent alternative were death?

“Did you hear the oral arguments? What did you think?” Harris asked, shaking her head and never dropping eye contact as the motorcade made its way toward Central Park. “I knew this was coming.” She had anticipated, she went on to explain, the many legal battles and unintended consequences the fall of Roe would have. And she’d envisioned how those consequences would play out, not just for women having miscarriages or dangerous pregnancy complications, but also for the health care providers trying to care for them. “It’s fucked up,” she said, dropping her voice at the word “fucked,” as we pulled up to the hotel where she and her staff were stationed…

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… [D]espite certain breakout moments, Harris’ strengths are often ponderous ones: Her thoughtfulness can look like indecision; her noodling of potential solutions can lead to unexpected changes of course. Her policies may be progressive, but her ways of tackling them have often been incremental. In the understudy role that is the vice presidency, especially, such pragmatism can lack flash. “The vice president’s office has always been the Rodney Dangerfield of the Constitution,” says Rep. Jamie Raskin, who served with Harris in Congress and counts her as a personal friend. “I mean, there’s a lot of vice-presidential disrespect in American history.” …

In the whirlwind weeks I spent with her on the campaign trail (note: Air Force II serves a lot of burritos), I’d seen her mix of political pragmatism and passion. I’d been with her to Parkland, Florida, where she’d stood in the gym of Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School and outlined the gun reforms that should be “no-brainers.” To Las Vegas, where she’d derided “Trump abortion bans” to chants of “Four more years.” To L.A. and D.C. and New York and Florida again, where on the day the state’s six-week abortion ban went into effect, she’d riled up a rally with the proclamation “Across our nation, we witness a full-on assault, state by state, on reproductive freedom. And understand who’s to blame: former President Donald Trump.”

In an interview conducted in two parts — first in New York and then in her office in the West Wing — she shared her vision for the campaign, the country, and the case at hand…

Do you remember where you were when you first heard about the Dobbs decision?
I was on Air Force II, and I was heading to a maternal-health event in Illinois. I called my husband, Doug — because, you know, I could use words with him — and I was just like—

You can use words with me.
“Bleep. Bleep. Bleep. Bleep. Can you believe what they did?” And I remember saying to him, “They did it. They actually did it.” I’m sure for everyone who cares about the issue it was a surreal moment.

My entire adult life, Roe had been in place. We always knew that we needed to fight for it. We always knew that there was, from the day it was decided, an intent to get rid of it. But truth be told, most of us really didn’t think [it would happen]. And then they did it. Oh, it took the wind out of me.

Even if you anticipated that it was coming, it did feel like a shock, because America’s not really in the business of taking rights away. It felt like such a reversal.
Our strength as a nation, I believe, is a function of many things, including our commitment over time to the expansion of rights. And all of a sudden, we are seeing powerful forces that are trying to restrict rights. That is profound.

We as a nation take great pride in our commitment to freedom, liberty. We as Americans take great pride in those concepts. What should it mean to everyone —regardless of their gender — that the government is now taking fundamental freedoms like the freedom to make decisions about your own body? And if that’s happening, what else could happen? [That] should set off an alarm for everyone, regardless of how you feel about the issue.

And then the other piece of it, of course, is that I know how this plays out in real life. I could predict, from the time of the leaked decision, what was going to happen in terms of the harm to real people, every day. And I’m sad to say that I was mostly correct…

So how do people fight in this moment?

Elections. Period. Elections. It is an exercise in folly for people to throw up their hands and say, “How did this happen?” Let me tell you how it happened. First of all, there was a president of the United States, Donald Trump, that made himself clear about what he was going to do. And he did it. He handpicked three members of the United States Supreme Court with the intention that they would undo Roe, and they did as he intended.

But it didn’t start there. Pay attention to what was happening for years, if not decades, around a commitment by people who had this position on an issue like choice, who started paying attention to state legislative races. Paid attention to gerrymandering. Understood that every election is important — not only who’s in the White House and who’s in Congress, but who is the attorney general, who is the governor, who has the majority in the state legislature. That has been in play for quite some time. And all of those things combined led up to the state that we’re now in, which is that in over 20 states you have these bans on a woman’s right to reproductive freedom…

So, I’ve been on a number of trips with you. One of the big ones was to Parkland. Closing the gun-show loophole was a big win for this administration, but there’s, obviously, a lot still to do. You might have seen today the study that came out that said one out of seven Americans lives within a quarter-mile of a recent gun fatality?
I did not see that. But what’s equally horrific [is that] gun violence is the leading cause of death of the children of America. Not car accidents. Not cancer. Gun violence. What is horrific is that one in five Americans has a family member that was killed because of gun violence.

Remember that the victims of gun violence are, obviously, the person who was shot, who was killed, but [also] their family, the community, all of us, psychically. That takes a toll on society. A lot of the work I’ve done — actually, I’ve talked a lot with Kim Kardashian about it recently — a lot of my work from my earliest years when I was DA was focused on undiagnosed and untreated trauma that is the result of people experiencing violence, either directly or within the community. Understand the ramifications. Listen, I have worked with, and in, communities where when gunfire breaks out, the children are told, “Jump in the tub,” because that’s a place that you can avoid a stray bullet…

 

NEW: In an intv, VP Kamala Harris takes on Trump's VP list: “[DT] wants an enabler. He doesn’t want a governing partner. The litmus test is r they going to be absolutely loyal to Trump over country or their oath of office or frankly the American people?”https://t.co/38R7xtD9j1

— Eugene Daniels (@EugeneDaniels2) June 10, 2024

… What she was eager to discuss in the brief interview was just how little daylight Democrats are going to leave between Trump and whomever he picks as his No. 2.

“What we know is that Donald Trump wants an enabler. He doesn’t want a governing partner. He doesn’t want another MIKE PENCE, and I think that is clear,” Harris said. “The litmus test is, are they going to be absolutely loyal to Trump over country or their oath of office, or, frankly, the American people?”

Our big takeaway from the chat and other reporting is that Harris (and the JOE BIDEN-Harris campaign and allied Democratic organizations) are mobilizing to ensure any candidate is lashed directly to Trump and to forestall any effort by the presumptive GOP nominee to use his new running mate to sand down his sharp edges in swing voters’ eyes.

“Everyone on that list has supported a Trump abortion ban in their state or has called for a national ban,” Harris said. “In fact, many voted this week in the Senate against the right to contraception. That’s how far down the road they are.”…

… Harris will potentially be sharing a debate stage with Trump’s VP nominee, and she made clear she is ready and willing to spar. She reiterated in the interview that she is committed to a CBS-hosted debate set for either July 23 or Aug. 13. (While Trump has not rejected that invitation, he instead accepted a competing Fox News invite on behalf of his future running mate.)

“I’m planning on being at the CBS studios … in either July or August,” Harris said. “And let’s see if the other side shows up. I’m ready to make the case — whoever he picks, no matter who it is.”…

That's been my whole gameplay. How did you know? https://t.co/nkNQyLeOXj

— Blue Blooded Dem-No Time 4 Stupidity ?????????? (@blewis823) June 14, 2024

Vice President Kamala Harris says the Supreme Court decision preserving access to the abortion pill mifepristone "is not a cause for celebration, because the reality of certain things are still not going to change," citing state abortion bans and Donald Trump's potential plans to… pic.twitter.com/w86Jku79IZ

— CBS News (@CBSNews) June 13, 2024

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Late Night Open Thread: ‘Let’s Talk About Trump’s Gibberish’

by Anne Laurie|  June 14, 202411:50 pm| 48 Comments

This post is in: Elections 2024, Excellent Links, Open Threads, Republicans in Disarray!, Trumpery

Happy 78th birthday, Donald. Take it from one old guy to another: Age is just a number.

This election, however, is a choice. pic.twitter.com/8KssiJuJwQ

— Joe Biden (@JoeBiden) June 14, 2024

Excellent question from @RadioFreeTom: "Why hasn’t there been more sustained and serious attention paid to Trump’s emotional state?" Not only is he unstable, but the people who once managed his "cognitive and emotional issues are gone, never to return."🎁https://t.co/uMix9jZQlk

— Jill Lawrence (@JillDLawrence) June 13, 2024

… For too long, Trump has gotten away with pretending that his emotional issues are just part of some offbeat New York charm or an expression of his enthusiasm for public performance. But Trump is obviously unfit—and something is profoundly wrong with a political environment in which he can now say almost anything, no matter how weird, and his comments will get a couple of days of coverage and then a shrug, as if to say: Another day, another Trump rant about sharks…

… In Las Vegas on Sunday, Trump went off-script—I have to assume that no competent speechwriter would have drafted this—and riffed on the important question of how to electrocute a shark while one attacks. He had been talking, he claims, to someone about electric boats: “I say, ‘What would happen if the boat sank from its weight and you’re in the boat, and you have this tremendously powerful battery, and the battery’s now underwater, and there’s a shark that’s approximately 10 yards over there?’”…

Why hasn’t there been more sustained and serious attention paid to Trump’s emotional state?

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First, Trump’s target audience is used to him. Watch the silence that descends over the crowds at such moments; when Trump wanders off into the recesses of his own mind, they chit-chat or check their phones or look around, waiting for him to come back and offer them an applause line. For them, it’s all just part of the show.

Second, Trump’s staff tries to put just enough policy fiber into Trump’s nutty verbal soufflés that they can always sell a talking point later, as if his off-ramps from reality are merely tiny bumps in otherwise sensible speeches. Trump himself occasionally seems surprised when these policy nuggets pop up in a speech; when reading the teleprompter, he sometimes adds comments such as “so true, so true,” perhaps because he’s encountering someone else’s words for the first time and agreeing with them. Thus, they will later claim that questions about sharks or long-dead uncles are just bad-faith distractions from substance. (These are the same Republicans who claim that every verbal stumble from Joe Biden indicates full-blown dementia.)

Third, and perhaps most concerning in terms of public discussion, many people in the media have fallen under the spell of the Jedi hand-waves from Trump and his people that none of this is as disturbing and weird as it sounds. The refs have been worked: A significant segment of the media—and even the Democratic Party—has bought into a Republican narrative that asking whether Trump is mentally unstable is somehow biased and elitist, the kind of thing that could only occur to Beltway mandarins who don’t understand how the candidate talks to normal people…

It is long past time for anyone who isn’t in the Trump base to admit, and to keep talking about, something that has been obvious for years: Donald Trump is unstable. Some of these problems were evident when he first ran, and we now know from revelations by many of his former staff that his problems processing information and staying tethered to reality are not part of some hammy act.

Worse, the people who once managed Trump’s cognitive and emotional issues are gone, never to return. A second Trump White House will be staffed with the bottom of the barrel—the opportunists and hangers-on willing to work for a reprehensible man. His Oval Office will be empty of responsible and experienced public servants if the day comes when someone has to explain to him why war might be about to erupt on the Korean peninsula or why the Russian or Chinese nuclear forces have gone on alert, and he starts talking about frying sharks with boat batteries.

The 45th president is deeply unwell. It is long past time for Americans, including those in public life, to recognize his inability to serve as the 47th.

Late Night Open Thread: <em>'Let's Talk About Trump's Gibberish'</em>

(Joel Pett via GoComics.com)

 

“Biden, who is old, at least makes sense. Trump, who also is old, rants like someone you’d cross the street to avoid.” @eugene_robinson on the candidates’ age and coherence. https://t.co/NEZI3aoGEY

— Paul Farhi (@farhip) June 11, 2024

… We in the media have failed by becoming inured to Trump’s verbal incontinence — not just the rapid-fire lies and revenge-seeking threats, but also the frightening glimpses into a mind that is, evidently, unwell. In 2016, Trump said outrageous things at his campaign rallies to be entertaining. In 2024, his tangents raise serious questions about his mental fitness….

The White House press corps would be in wolf pack mode if Biden were in the middle of a speech and suddenly veered into gibberish about boats and sharks. There would be front-page stories questioning whether the president, at 81, was suffering from dementia; and the op-ed pages would be filled with thumb-suckers about whether Vice President Harris and the Cabinet should invoke the 25th Amendment. House Republicans would already have scheduled hearings on Biden’s mental condition and demanded he take a cognitive test…

Also during the Las Vegas speech, Trump tried to deny the allegation by one of his White House chiefs of staff, retired Marine Gen. John F. Kelly, that he refused in 2018 to visit an American military cemetery in France, saying it was filled with “suckers” and “losers.” Trump told the crowd on Sunday that “only a psycho or a crazy person or a very stupid person” would say such a thing while “I’m standing there with generals and military people in a cemetery.”

But he wasn’t “standing there” with anybody. He never went to the cemetery.

Except in his mind, perhaps, which is a much bigger problem than Biden fumbling a name or garbling a sentence.

LMAO a must listen

Would you declassify the 9/11 files?
“Yes.”

Would you declassify the JFK files?
“Yes.”

Would you declassify the Epstein files?
“Yeah, uh, I think that less so because you don’t want to affect people’s lives…” https://t.co/5u3r9rJPul

— Toby Muresianu ???? (@tobyhardtospell) June 6, 2024

Brutal report from @andrewrsorkin on Trump's visit with CEOs yesterday:

"CEOs who said that he was remarkably meandering, could not keep a straight thought, was all over the map."

CEOs who walked in as soft Trump supporters walked out startled by him pic.twitter.com/m68PeT52ez

— James Singer (@Jemsinger) June 14, 2024

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Friday Night Open Thread (and question for last year’s philadelphia meetup peeps)

by WaterGirl|  June 14, 202410:00 pm| 25 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads

Totally open thread.

Question related to last year’s Philadelphia meetup:

Last year on June 15 the Philadelphia BJ peeps had a meetup, and even won second place in a game of Trivia.  The current keeper of the second place gift certificate  – zmulls – is looking for guidance on the gift certificate.

If there’s going to be another Philly meetup soonish, then he would like to pass the gift certificate on to the group.  If not, is there someone else that can take possession of the gift certificate?  I don’t even recall how much the gift certificate is for.

Winning Trivia Team (second place)

Suzanne
brendancalling
zmulls
Ceci n est pas mon
gene108
Leto, Avalune (+ kid!)
rekoob

Meetup on June 15, 2023  (Link to post)

Somebody let me know what you want to do?

Otherwise, open thread!

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