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Yesterday the Simple Child Asked & Today Begins the Lesson

by Adam L Silverman|  October 28, 20233:05 pm| 141 Comments

This post is in: Foreign Affairs, Foreign Policy, Military, Open Threads, Silverman on Security, War, War in Ukraine

In Judaism, at the Passover, part of the Seder, the ritual meal, includes recounting the tale of the four sons. Among the four is the simple son. The language here is all sorts of mucked up as it went through multiple languages, most likely Aramaic to Greek and/or Latin to then other European languages, as well as several Hebreo-composite languages (Ladino, Yiddish, Judeo-Arabic, Romaness) and now, for our purposes, into English. In short the simple son is not developmentally disabled, rather he – look this part of the ritual is over a thousand year’s old, of course it’s going to be a he – wants to learn something, but he does not have enough context to formulate his question in the most basic manner. Yesterday, in a comment, this question was asked:

it’s all so complicated. I just want Balloon Juice to be a place where we can think through the situation and talk through the situation, learn something (at least for people like me), and have a safe place to do all of that.

This is what is meant in the ritual formulation of the simple son. Wanting to learn, not quite sure what to ask.

Fortunately for you all we have two front pagers who are Jewish. One with a penchant for writing large tomes, Dutch master painting, and roasted chicken and the other being me. In this case the penchant for writing large tomes, the brushwork of the Dutch masters, nor the best techniques for roasting a chicken are going to be much use. So you’re stuck with me.

I’ve now read Dave Zirin’s column. I think the intention is noble and the emotion is mostly right, but Zirin also fails to properly contextualize what is going on for non-Jewish Americans. As a result, those outside of the community don’t have the context to really make sense of what he has written. The context is that Jewish Americans support for and relationship with Israel has been going through a prolonged set of generational changes. Usually those start among Jewish Americans that are at least a decade younger than me. I’m a bit older than Cole. The short version is that unlike our parents and grandparents we are not reflexively supportive of Israel even if the attempts were made to raise us to be.

My grandparents helped coordinate logistics and supply for the Haganah via their living room in Denver. My parents were, and in the case of my mother still is, strong supporters of Israel. I remember walking in the house after driving up from Miami where I was doing my masters in comparative religion for the weekend and my dad was sitting on one arm of the sofa crying. He looked up, basically made an anguished sound, and gestured wildly at the TV, which was tuned to CNN and was replaying the breaking news over and over that Rabin had been assassinated. I was sent to Jewish day school, where much of even the secular curriculum was oriented not just around Judaism, but also around Israel. Then, of course, I went to a Jesuit high school and a Methodist university.

What’s missing from Zirin’s piece is the context that what had once been a monolithic support for Israel among Jewish Americans ceased to be over the past twenty to thirty years. Some of that was the result of those of us growing up in my generational cohort and the ones after mine not experiencing much, if any, antisemitism. And, as a result, unlike our parents and grandparents, we didn’t feel Israel needed to exist so we had a safe place to escape to. The US was that safe place. Certainly far more than a state constantly under siege. Some of it was watching as Likud’s prime ministers – specifically Begin, Shamir, and Netanyahu – manipulated American politics for their own advantages. And in the case of Bibi it was for his own personal advantage, while for Begin and Shamir it was their advantage on behalf of Israel. Some of it was also recognizing that what we were raised to understand about Judaism as a theology and doctrine was incompatible with how Israel, a state with a majority of Jewish citizens and led by Jews, was treating the Palestinians. As well as other Jewish and non-Jewish Israelis in some cases. A great deal of the attitudinal changes are a combination of all of these.

When you see Jewish groups leading competing demonstrations what you’re seeing is this conflict within the community. Different parts of the Jewish American communities are focusing on different things. Different parts of our theology, our doctrine, our cultural history, our experiences as Americans. This is why some are demonstrating whole hearted support for Israel in the current crisis while others are demanding an immediate ceasefire as Israel’s response should not be justified by Bibi, as he so often does, as necessary to protect Jews everywhere. Hence the “Not in our name!” chants, posters, and t-shirts.

And that’s the context you all need to unpack what Zirin wrote, but which he did not provide. As to whether Balloon Juice, or any other place, is the right place, let alone a safe place to think through and talk through the situation is something I cannot answer. At one level, this is an internal to Judaism issue. We haven’t thought or talked through it as a community, though now we’re screaming at each other about it in public, and we’d appreciate it if those of you outside looking in leave us be because our own history tells us you’ll just make things worse. Thanks for the best wishes, go find a thread about underwater macrame post card music writing in popular culture while watching the ball game or something and leave us out of it.

That’s obviously unrealistic. Everyone wants to talk about what’s going on, make sense of it. From what Hamas actually did, to how it could happen, to what Israel is going to do versus what Israel is going to do. What does this mean for Jews or Arabs or Muslims? What is the US going to do? Etc, etc, etc. There’s no hiding here, but at least I can provide some context.

The reality here is that the two state solution is dead and has been since at least 2013. With the exception of the brief Bennet-Lapid unity government, Israel has been governed by Bibi led coalitions for around fifteen years. Beginning in early 2014, no one in those coalitions – and the 2014 one was nowhere near as extreme as the current one is – has supported a two state solution. In fact they, including Bibi, have opposed the idea. Similarly, the leadership of the Palestinian Authority had basically given up on the idea by 2014 as well. In the latter’s case they believe that demographic reality will eventually solve the problem for them if there was only a one state solution. Hamas, PIJ, and the other extremist groups have never supported the idea. The problem, of course, is that the US policy is to seek a two state solution. Unfortunately, policy cannot ask of strategy that which policy cannot or will not provide: achievable objectives. What we need is a strategy to either move the Israelis and the Palestinians back into willingness to attempt a two state solution or we need a strategy to achieve a one state solution that does not make things worse than the status quo. We have none of those things now. We had none of them in 2014. And we definitely had none of them when Jared was making things worse.

I would appreciate it if just this once that people don’t argue this point with me in the comments. I’m the person who wrote the strategic and policy assessment on this topic in 2014 for my boss the Commanding General of US Army Europe, his boss the Commanding General of EUCOM/the Supreme Allied Commander Europe (who assigned it as the read of the week to his entire command), the Special Envoy for Middle East Peace, and through those three the Secretary of Defense and Secretary of State. it included a robust discussion of needing either a strategy to get the Israelis and Palestinians back to a two state track or develop new policy and strategy for a just, equitable one state solution. As an FYI: I also wrote the historic – as in it recounts the history of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict – introduction for the report and assessment that was produced by US Army Europe for the Departments of Defense and State in support of the 2014 peace process.

No matter what happens as the Israel-Hamas war unfolds, it is not going to get us to a two state solution. Because right now no one on either side wants one.

As for a ceasefire or armistice, calling for one is fine as long as one is realistic and recognizes that it isn’t going to happen as a result of external pressure. The fact that a bare majority of Israelis now want a strategic pause in operations to increase the chances to get the hostages out may lead to that happening, but I wouldn’t put money on it. The only way to prevent what is coming is for the US to assemble an international coalition that includes Arab and Muslim states, put boots on the ground in Gaza, and then both rescue the hostages while dismantling Hamas and bringing its leaders and fighters to justice. NOT GONNA HAPPEN!!!!

Like everyone else, you’ll find Jewish Americans on different sides of every social, political, economic, and religious issue regarding both domestic and international politics. The demonstrations you’re seeing now, that Zirin wrote about, that you all tried to deal with yesterday though you didn’t have the context, is not new. It is just now very visible because of the current Israel-Hamas war. It is, simply, the result of intergenerational changes among Jewish Americans. Changes that have been underway for several decades, but are now very visible.

One final point: some of the “not in my name” protests are enlightened self interest. They are attempts by some Jewish Americans to make it clear to everyone that Jewish does not equal Israel and that Judaism does not equal Israel. Because the fear, and it is a real one, is that this truth is going to continue to be erased. And as it is erased antisemitism and attacks on Jews in the US will increase even more than they have over the past eight years. We are already seeing neo-NAZIs and white supremacists infiltrating the pro-Palestinian activities that have developed over the past three weeks with the intent to turn them fully into antisemitic activities. Not because the neo-NAZIs like Arabs or Muslims, they don’t, but because they think they can use them to get at their preferred target: Jews. We’ve also seen what we so often deride here as the dirtbag left demonstrate that it is not so much pro-Palestinian as it is antisemitic. Jewish Americans were already far more scared than they’d previously been before Hamas attacked Israel on 7 OCT. Now that they’ve seen how non-Jewish Americans have responded, they’re even more scared. And unlike our parents and grandparents, we know that Israel is not a safe place to seek refuge should the worst come to pass here. Scared and feeling trapped is not a good combination. It is not conducive to rational thought or sound decision making.

In my case, regardless of my views regarding Israel, I raised my hand and swore the oath. And while I no longer have any role or serve any purpose in American national security, I have not been released from that oath. Regardless of what happens I will remain what I’ve always been: an American, whose religion is Judaism. I cannot go to Israel because I will not break my oath. Even if it would be the only way to save my life.

Hamas’s attack has been far, far, far more successful than it ever expected. Unfortunately, when it is all said and done, no one is going to win this war. The only question is how far does the collateral damage actually spread.

Next time just ask for the context. It will save us all a lot of discomfort.

Thus endeth the lesson.

I’m going to watch rugby.

Open thread.

ETA at 10:45 PM: I made a slight adjustment in the paragraph that starts with “That’s obviously unrealistic” in order to make the post more coherent.

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News Roundup: All Good Things Edition

by WaterGirl|  October 28, 20231:05 pm| 109 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads

Seems like Anne Laurie and I had the same thought about overlooked news, but happily the stories we each included are not the same.

NBC News confirms: Senate Democrats are crafting a proposal to overcome Tommy Tuberville’s blockade of military promotions.

Democrats are preparing to send a resolution to the Rules Committee that would allow most of the 300-plus promotions to be considered on the floor en bloc.

— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) October 26, 2023

⭐️

I like to see this kind of fight from the administration.

Wow.

This John Kirby answer is *perfect*

I would urge everyone to listen to this. pic.twitter.com/nNC2NZRFxP

— Angry Staffer 🌻 (@Angry_Staffer) October 27, 2023

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NEW: A trial date has not been set in Fulton County because the judge has been advised of possible additional plea deals. Trump, Eastman, Meadows, and Giuliani have NOT been offered a deal, though some speculate Meadows is in the market for one. https://t.co/bKPHjPfKMC

— Mueller, She Wrote (@MuellerSheWrote) October 27, 2023

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Breaking on @MSNBC: Judge Arthur Engoron just set the schedule for the Trump family to testify in the civil fraud trial.

November 1 — Don Jr.
November 2 — Eric Trump
November 3 — Ivanka Trump
November 6 — Donald Trump

— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) October 27, 2023

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Judges have now found that Republicans in Alabama, Louisiana, Georgia, South Carolina, and Florida all used their redistricting power to discriminate against Black voters after the 2020 census

— Sam Levine (@srl) October 26, 2023

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h/t commenter smith

Here’s some good news: Ford and Stellantis (Chrysler and more) have agreed to match the GM settlement proposal, so the auto strike may soon be over with a big win for workers. Here’s hoping Biden gets some credit for his strong support for labor in this.

⭐️

h/t Kay with a great poll from Ohio

Good poll for Issue 1 in Ohio.

Anti choice lobbyists rewrote the language of the law to deceive voters and to a certain extent they were successful- the original language garners more support than the deceptive language lobbyists inserted.

However- even WITH their attempts to deceive voters, the poll is 60/40 “yes” on 1. So good news.

Update:  Good News in the title is to indicate that the news stories I am sharing are good news.  I didn’t mean it to say that you guys can only add good news things in the comments.  Just trying to make it clear up front that no one will be hit with another barrage of bad news in the post itself.

 

 

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Primary-ly Idiots Open Thread: Dean Phillips Has Joined the Chat

by Anne Laurie|  October 27, 20238:54 pm| 110 Comments

This post is in: 2024 Primaries, Open Threads, Our Failed Media Experiment

Well, so far @RepDeanPhillips' campaign seems to be going great — his launch event isn't on the schedule for AP or Reuters to take it live and his website has crashed. pic.twitter.com/Li9SWp6tuL

— Andrew Feinberg (@AndrewFeinberg) October 27, 2023

When you are a nepo-baby with big ambitions and suffient money, there’s always someone who’ll assure you that you’re presidential timber. (As in: wood from the neck up.)

Dean Phillips, from the guy who brought us Sarah Palin https://t.co/Yefruh0IoJ

— zeddy (@Zeddary) October 27, 2023

Primary-ly Idiots Open Thread:  Dean Phillips Has Joined the Chat

Gonna face tough competition for second place between the Kennedy heir who dropped out and the constitutionally ineligible YouTube personality https://t.co/WxsYLhdv7U

— Gas Stove Prayer Warrior (@canderaid) October 27, 2023

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Taps the sign: the only thing Phillips' campaign is configured to do is damage Biden. This has been true from the jump. https://t.co/COC7l8U5Sk

— Clean Observer (@Hammbear2024) October 27, 2023


 
Dean Phillips, man who apparently has never had an original thought…

(My *mom* was a volunteer in ‘Clean for Gene’ McCarthy’s campaign, and that was 50 years ago!)

CLEAN FOR DEAN debuts in Concord, NH — pic.twitter.com/a7ZUiasSwW

— Jonathan Martin (@jmart) October 27, 2023

The Dean Phillips 2024 website is an almost pixel for pixel ripoff of the Biden Harris website.

Layout. Colors. Handwriting.

Even the Spanish button is in the same spot! pic.twitter.com/S1ozSljgc8

— Doug Landry (@dougblandry) October 27, 2023

.@deanbphillips signs NH state house visor book…right below Trump

And w similar pander bear message pic.twitter.com/raD4kdB23b

— Jonathan Martin (@jmart) October 27, 2023

House Democrats say they're baffled by Rep. Dean Phillip's decision to launch a primary challenge against President Biden.

“It’s a head-scratcher,” one lawmaker said. https://t.co/S6rvoRpukE

— NBC News (@NBCNews) October 27, 2023

Well, wouldja look at *that*!…

NEW: Dean Phillips told The Daily Beast that he doesn't remember receiving a max campaign donation from conservative financier Harlan Crow, but allowed that it was possible he solicited it personally. Me w/@JakeLahut https://t.co/7TTweHRhPR

— Roger Sollenberger (@SollenbergerRC) October 27, 2023

Politico says Steve Schmidt has lined up lots of big media interviews with this clown. Worth watching if any of them ask the obvious questions of whether it’s full fawn https://t.co/IA8RIEUREw

— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) October 27, 2023

if he is lucky the only person in a few years who will remember Dean Phillip's 2024 campaign is Dean Philips

— John Cole (@Johngcole) October 27, 2023

Meanwhile:

Dean Phillips is running for President using Republican talking points—days after Republicans elevated MAGA Mike Johnson to Speaker.

I’m running a primary campaign against Dean so MN-03 has a strong Democrat who is focused on the district.

— Ron Harris (@ronharrismn) October 27, 2023

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World Series, Game 1: Diamondbacks at Rangers (Open Thread)

by WaterGirl|  October 27, 20237:35 pm| 80 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Sports

I don’t know either team, so I’ll just say “How ’bout those Cubs?”

Though in reality I grew up in Chicago as a White Sox fan – because my Dad was a White Sox guy, and I was Daddy’s Girl.  My Mom rooted for the Cubs, but what can I say except girls and their mothers…

So who’s everybody rooting for?

If there’s interest in having a thread for each game of the World Series, we can make that happen.  Just let us know in the comments if there’s interest.

Totally open thread.

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War for Ukraine Day 611: Izium in the Cross Hairs

by Adam L Silverman|  October 27, 20237:12 pm| 30 Comments

This post is in: Foreign Affairs, Foreign Policy, Military, Open Threads, Silverman on Security, War, War in Ukraine

Graphic by NEIVANMADE of a Russian bomb with a "Z" symbol on it crashing through the roof of the Ukrainian Postal Service delivery hub. "Everyone Is a Target" and "Stop Russia" are written in the space between the destroyed roof and the fins of the bomb.

(Image by NEIVANMADE)

Last night the Russians opened up on the emergency first responsders in Izium:

https://twitter.com/maria_avdv/status/1717975533579837474

Here is President Zelenskyy’s address from earlier today. Video below, English transcript after the jump.

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May today everyone be united by the feeling of how much the Ukrainian language, all our people went through, so that Ukraine will always be free – address by President Volodymyr Zelenskyy

27 October 2023 – 20:43

I wish you good health, dear Ukrainians!

Report for the day.

A special ceremony to honor the memory of our fallen heroes – Heroes of Ukraine. I awarded the orders of the Golden Star to the families of soldiers. 21 warriors. The Armed Forces of Ukraine, the Security Service of Ukraine. Completely devoted to the state, their comrades, and their duty to Ukraine. Eternal memory to them! And eternal gratitude.

Today, I held two international conversations: with the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom and the President of the United Arab Emirates. We discussed our common defense of international law, the implementation of the Peace Formula, and the advisors’ meeting in Malta, which starts tomorrow. We also talked about what can be done to prevent a large-scale war in the Middle East and a greater catastrophe for people.

I discussed with Prime Minister Sunak our joint steps to strengthen our defense, including anti-aircraft missile systems and anti-drone means.

And there’s a very powerful package from Germany – exactly what we agreed upon with Mr. Chancellor. Before winter, we will receive anti-aircraft missile systems, another Iris-T system, missiles for air defense, artillery rounds, and radars. This will significantly aid our soldiers and the defense of our cities. Thank you, Olaf!

I held a Military Cabinet meeting regarding the situation on the main battlefronts. Kupiansk, Bahmut direction, Avdiyivka, Maryinka, and Melitopol direction. Ensuring our defense and offensive actions, including long-range weapons and missiles. I thank all the warriors who are holding their positions firmly and eliminating the occupiers. This week has significantly increased Russian losses. This is how it should be.

I conducted a meeting on shelters – ensuring their readiness and accessibility for people. The tasks that were set and the results achieved. A complete review of all shelters in Ukraine has been carried out. A special website has been created where one can see the condition of shelters across the country and the progress of shelter-related work. The Ministry of Strategic Industries is overseeing this. Overall, at the local level, most regions are taking shelter-related matters more seriously. We must continue this work.

And one more thing. Today is Ukrainian Literature and Language Day. As always, many people were united on this day by the nationwide radio dictation of national unity. May today everyone be united by the feeling of how much Ukraine, the Ukrainian language, and all our Ukrainian people endured, accomplished, went through, survived, and did to ensure that Ukraine always remains free and one day celebrates its victory. Its own. Long-awaited.

I am grateful to everyone who fights and works for our country and our independence! We remember each and every person who gave their life for Ukraine!

Glory to Ukraine!

Germany:

https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1717952859281526984

An additional IRIS-T air defense system with missiles, 4 APCs, drones – these and other much-needed weapons are included in a new package of military aid from Germany.

This announcement came a day after a phone conversation of @rustem_umerov
with his German colleague Boris Pistorius.

Grateful to the German partners for their unwavering support!

🇺🇦🤝🇩🇪
@BMVg_Bundeswehr

Robotyne:

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1717907620244210134

Vuhledar:

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1717996967635059042

Yalta:

https://twitter.com/maria_avdv/status/1717824841519140954

https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1717826819225718940

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1717822084368220549

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1717855877422567640

 

Oleg Tsaryov, who was shot earlier today, is actually a relatively mild pro-Russian agent. His notes in Telegram were not as radical as those from many other commentators. I’m saying relatively because they were still heavily anti-West and anti-Ukrainian, just slightly more reasonable.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the attempt on his life was an inside job, perhaps a conflict of interests with other separatist forces.

Russia’s Embassy in DC:

https://twitter.com/MarcBodnick/status/1717942453511016888

For you enthusiasts of Russian military equipment going boom:

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1717905981676404849

The new Speaker of the House has now made it clear that there will be no bundling of aid for Ukraine and Israel and for Ukraine aid to be considered, let alone pass, the Biden administration must satisfy the House GOP majority’s concerns regarding the purpose of continuing to support Ukraine’s defense against Russia’s genocidal re-invasion. Also, any additional aid for Israel would have to be offset by cuts to other programs. Reuters has the details:

WASHINGTON, Oct 26 (Reuters) – Newly elected U.S. Speaker of the House Mike Johnson said on Thursday that funding to support Ukraine and Israel should be handled separately, suggesting he will not back President Joe Biden’s $106 billion aid package for both countries.

Johnson, speaking in an interview on Fox News, has concerns about Ukraine funding in general, and believes any money for Israel will need to be funded by cuts elsewhere.

He met Biden on Thursday and said he told White House staff “our consensus among House Republicans is we need to bifurcate those issues.”

Biden wants Congress to provide $106 billion in supplemental funding, with the bulk of the money going to bolster Ukraine’s defenses and the remainder split among Israel, Indo-Pacific and border enforcement.

Johnson said of Ukraine funding: “We want to know what the object is there, what is the end game in Ukraine.

“The White House has not provided that,” he added.

Biden is betting that including money for Israel and immigration will help convince House Republicans wary of sending additional money to Ukraine to support the measure.

“Israel is a separate matter – we are going to bring forward a standalone Israel funding measure (of) over $14 billion,” Johnson said in the interview. He said House Republicans will look for other areas to cut in the budget in order to finance the funding for Israel.

There will be no more aid for Ukraine appropriated as long as the GOP holds the majority in the House. The reason for this is that the Biden administration cannot answer Johnson’s question:

“We want to know what the object is there, what is the end game in Ukraine.

“The White House has not provided that,” he added.

The reason that the Biden administration has not, will not, and cannot provide an answer to that question is that the end game in Ukraine is up to the Ukrainian national command authority in Kyiv, not the US’s in DC.

I expect aid for Israel will eventually be forthcoming. Too much of the GOP’s white evangelical base will demand it, but because of the domestic political realities – being able to beat the Biden administration over the head with the issue – the House GOP will get its budgetary concessions and cuts in the programs for the neediest Americans.

And that’s if they can actually pass anything at all and don’t just wind up shutting things down by accident in mid-November because the members of the House GOP caucus can’t get along with each other.

Unfortunately, the EU is having its own problems in getting more aid appropriated for Ukraine. Reuters also has the details on this:

BRUSSELS, Oct 26 (Reuters) – Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban on Thursday opposed the European Union giving Ukraine 50 billion euros in aid, and his Slovak counterpart cited corruption in expressing reservations over extending new financial support to Kyiv.

The two spoke at a summit of the EU’s 27 national leaders, who highlighted diverging priorities in a first debate on where to put money from their shared budget in the next four years.

Orban drew criticism from some of his peers at the summit for having met Russian President Vladimir Putin in China this month as Moscow wages a war against Ukraine and the European Union is shunning the Kremlin.

The EU is due to decide in December on a revision of its 2021-27 budget worth 1.1 trillion euros ($1.2 trln), which is already strained by emergency spending during the COVID pandemic and since Russia invaded Ukraine in 2022.

The bloc’s executive proposed that member states chip in more to the shared coffers to provide 50 billion euros to Ukraine and spend another 15 billion euros on migration. Another proposal would allocate 20 billion euros in military aid for Ukraine.

Budgetary decisions require unanimity and divisions were on display on Thursday.

Orban said Hungary would not back more aid for Ukraine unless it saw “a very well-justified proposal”.

“The one in front of us … that’s not going to work. So, for the time being, we will reject that as well and we will see where we get in December,” he said.

Orban’s comments came as Budapest is trying to unlock billions in aid envisaged for Hungary in the EU budget but blocked by the executive European Commission over rule-of-law concerns.

Slovakia’s Robert Fico – in Brussels a day after being appointed prime minister for the fourth time – said Bratislava would no longer support Ukraine militarily.

“We will only concentrate on humanitarian aid,” Fico wrote on social media from Brussels.

Fico cited endemic corruption in warning against providing new resources to Kyiv, according to two EU diplomats briefed on the leaders’ closed-door discussions.

Other states in eastern Europe disagreed, with Lithuanian President Gitanas Nauseda saying the proposed 50 billion euros for Ukraine was not enough.

Estonian Prime Minister Kaja Kallas said that – beyond supporting Ukraine – joint expenditure should grow for improving EU defence capabilities.

Belgian Prime Minister Alexander De Croo backed continued support for Ukraine but also called on the Commission to make better use of the cash in its own coffers.

“What is on the table today is unacceptable for us,” he said.

“We ask the Commission and other institutions to look at their own funds and look at the funds that are not being fully used … instead of asking the member states for bigger contributions.”

More at the link!

Canada has some in need of refurbishment armored fighting vehicles, but it is unclear if they will make it to Ukraine. The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation has the details:

The Canadian Army has dozens of older armoured personnel carriers it plans to send to the scrapheap this year — even though a private company has offered to refurbish them for use in Ukraine.

The Department of National Defence (DND) says 67 tracked light armour vehicles (TLAVs) out of a fleet of 140 are “parked awaiting final demilitarization and disposal, or are being used as a source of spare parts” for the 73 vehicles that remain in service.

All of the M113 troop carriers, which have been in service for decades, are in “poor condition” and are awaiting disposal, DND says. The Canadian army also has 195 LAV II Bisons and 149 Coyote armoured reconnaissance vehicles that will be taken out of service this year, as well.

The department says they will be replaced within the next few years by new Armoured Combat Support Vehicles (ACSVs).

Armatec Survivability, based in London, Ont., has offered to update surplus armoured vehicles, the federal Conservative opposition noted this week.

David Pratt, a former Liberal defence minister who speaks for the company, said the proposal is for the “refurbishment of armoured vehicles in a number of variants, which could include infantry fighting vehicles, ambulances and support vehicles” — but he insisted the M113s are not part of the plan. He refused to offer further details, citing “commercial confidentiality.”

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy is due to visit Ottawa on Friday, where he’s expected to ask Canada for more military equipment, including additional armoured fighting vehicles and tanks.

Canada already has donated eight Leopard 2A4 tanks, 39 new ACSVs and 208 Roshel Senator armoured four-by-fours — part of what is now a $1.8 billion arms package for the embattled Eastern European nation.

A senior DND official this week acknowledged the Armatec proposal, adding no decision has been made. He would not indicate whether the proposal was being looked upon favourably.

“Ultimately, that’s a decision that we pass up to policymakers and then we try and act,” Ty Curran, the deputy director general of international security, told the House of Commons defence committee on Tuesday.

Curran said Armatec’s pitch is one of several unsolicited offers that have landed on federal desks since the all-out Russian invasion of Ukraine began last year.

“The challenge, of course, around any of the donations that come out of … [Canadian Armed Forces] inventory is balancing out the operational requirements,” he said.

In a written response to a CBC News request for information on the M-113 vehicles, DND said that of the 73 operational TLAVs, 30 are considered reserve and are being held at military depots. That’s in addition to the 67 already considered surplus and about to be junked.

Canada has to consider multiple factors before donating battlefield equipment to Ukraine, the department’s written statement added.

“Any equipment donated by Canada must be battlefield sustainable, but more importantly, must meet a specific need identified by Ukraine and be equipment that the Ukrainians are trained to use and have the resources and capabilities to maintain,” the department said.

“The remaining quantity of M113s not being employed by the CAF are either awaiting final demilitarization and disposal due to being in very poor condition, or are being retained as a source of spare parts for the operational fleet.”

The Ukrainians are very familiar with the operation and maintenance of the M113. Ukraine has received, or is in the process of receiving, over 560 of the troop carriers from the United States, Lithuania, Denmark, Spain and Italy, among other countries.

During Tuesday’s committee hearing, Conservative defence critic James Bezan said both the United States and Australia are interested in partnering with Canada in the Armatec venture because they also want to put their surplus vehicles into the field for Ukraine.

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Dave Zirin: The Jewish Justice Movement Is Being Reborn

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I haven’t heard about this anywhere else, but maybe this protest has been reported elsewhere, and I just missed it?

The Jewish Justice Movement Is Being Reborn

At the Jewish Voice for Peace rally, thousands of protesters made clear that they will no longer allow the suffering of the Jewish people to be weaponized against others.

Dave Zirin: The Jewish Justice Movement Is Being Reborn
Jewish Voice for Peace demonstrators demand a cease-fire in the Israel and Gaza conflict on October 18, 2023, in the Cannon House Office Building in Washington, D.C. (Matt McClain / Getty)

On October 18, several hundred US Jews—along with a few allies—were arrested for sitting in the rotunda of the Capitol building. We chanted, we sang, we dropped banners, and we spoke with a clear message: Stop the war on Gaza; cease the bombing; and end Israel’s war on the Palestinian people, which must no longer be waged in the name of Jews. When we occupied the space, we shed our jackets to reveal identical black T-shirts that read “Not In Our Name” on the front and “Jews Say Cease Fire Now” on the back.

Aided by a melodious shofar, two dozen rabbis spoke about the moral urgency of the moment while thousands of fellow Jews chanted “Cease-fire now!” outside the building. Together, it created a cacophony of righteous trouble in the best tradition of our people. It recalled our ancestors who stood with the oppressed, who helped build the labor movement, and who devoted their lives to anti-racist struggle. For decades, that history often seemed distant. On Wednesday, it felt reborn.

Jewish Voice for Peace organized the rally on just a few days notice, and protesters came ready to be heard. The arresting officers kept asking people if they were going to give up their right to remain silent, and it was as if everyone shouted back, “Hell yeah!”

In many places, Jewish silence on the oppression of Palestinians has reigned for too long. But at this moment of crisis, protesters said what perhaps had gone unspoken at family gatherings or in places of worship: that we have had enough, that we will no longer allow the suffering of our people—the pogroms, the Holocaust, or the Hamas killings—to be weaponized against others. Our history gives us an extra responsibility to speak out for those facing the specter of genocide.

For Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and President Joe Biden “never again” is a slogan, a bumper sticker, a rallying cry for more carnage. But for those inside and outside the Capitol, “never again” means exactly what it’s supposed to: “Never again” will we allow masses of people to be massacred. If the rest of the world turns a blind eye, the Jewish people will raise up and bear witness. David Friedman, the ambassador to Israel under Donald Trump, took to Twitter to say, “Any American Jew attending this rally is not a Jew—yes I said it!” Suffice it to say, Friedman, who spent years as a hack for the openly anti-Semitic Trump, is not in charge of who gets to be Jewish.

Almost certainly to Friedman’s chagrin, protesters made plain that there is nothing anti-Semitic about criticizing the Israeli state and there is nothing bigoted about standing up to US aid and support for Israel’s war on the Palestinian people. The gaslighting and gatekeeping of powerful officials like Friedman have made people of all backgrounds afraid to speak out, lest they be called anti-Semites. Jewish Voice for Peace is saying that people need to stand up against the slaughter nonetheless and that this fear and silence has deadly consequences.

Read the whole thing at The Nation.

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