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The rest of the comments were smacking Boebert like she was a piñata.

People identifying as christian while ignoring christ and his teachings is a strange thing indeed.

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Putting aside our relentless self-interest because the moral imperative is crystal clear.

Republicans in disarray!

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This must be what justice looks like, not vengeful, just peaceful exuberance.

Perhaps you mistook them for somebody who gives a damn.

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Wednesday Evening Open Thread: Meanwhile, At the Kiddy Table…

by Anne Laurie|  November 15, 20235:26 pm| 68 Comments

This post is in: 2024 Primaries, Grifters Gonna Grift, Open Threads

BREAKING: New Hampshire sets its presidential primary date for Jan. 23, defying President Biden and the DNC’s new primary order. https://t.co/EI0QeHKQY8

— NBC News (@NBCNews) November 15, 2023

Wednesday Evening Open Thread:

Elections are choices. What the current polls are showing is that people aren’t yet being given the information (by the campaigns) that will shape their choices, & respondents know they’ve got almost a year before they have to choose. https://t.co/mEFgxYQg8A

— Dana Houle (@DanaHoule) November 15, 2023

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What a charlatan. There’s no meaningful NH primary bc NH flouted DNC rules & jumped ahead of SC. Schmidt is going to convince Phillips to run a bunch of ads in NH, he’ll get the most votes (bc Biden’s not on the ballot), & he’ll win no delegates (but dumb pundits will talk it up) https://t.co/OhHdnvNq0x

— Dana Houle (@DanaHoule) November 15, 2023

Dean Phillips is like so many “businessmen” who think they’re going to “do things differently & not let consultants run a cookie cutter campaign” then go ahead & hire consultants who don’t work within the party but who flatter the candidates’ ego & pick the candidates’ pockets.

— Dana Houle (@DanaHoule) November 15, 2023

This ends with Dean getting primaried out of his seat and turning in to a FOX News talking head whining about how the Democratic party is "too extreme" and thus "rigged" the primary against him.

That first half will be Schmidt's doing, second half will be Weaver's.

— Andy (@trtx84) November 15, 2023

Also, too…

I used to estimate that 5% of Americans were just complete idiots. I clearly underestimated. https://t.co/7jlVZS7WLo

— Patrick Chovanec (@prchovanec) November 11, 2023

I get all my public health hot takes from a guy who goes barefooted into an airplane bathroom pic.twitter.com/nbed32XDAh

— Molly Jong-Fast (@MollyJongFast) November 13, 2023

(But for his ‘health advocacy’, among other reasons, RatFvcKer Jr *is* agitating the Repubs… )

Actually, no. Trying to debate people like RFK ends up doing more harm than good. RFK isn’t intellectually honest or interested in the truth and so ppl will gravitate to the best gotchas and not quality information. Science correction is done via science not circus performance.

— Denise Deiloh (authentic) (@Deiloh) November 15, 2023

Wednesday Evening Open Thread: 1

All else fails, there will always be Marianne Williamson, who *still* has a book-buying ‘base’ and nothing better to do with her time…

Bestselling spiritual author Marianne Williamson presses on with against-the-odds presidential run https://t.co/pEpaoH0xBD

— The Associated Press (@AP) November 13, 2023

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DC Meetup This Saturday – RSVPs, Venue, Details

by WaterGirl|  November 15, 20231:48 pm| 69 Comments

This post is in: Balloon Juice, Meetups, Open Threads

One last update on the DC Meetup this Friday!

rekoob, who is organizing the meetup, writes:

After a couple of false starts (the first place never got back to me, the hotel wanted me to reserve a private party room), I’ve made a reservation at Clyde’s Gallery Place for 14 people at 12:30p on Saturday, 18 November 2023. For what it’s worth, all DC restaurants are tacking on another 3.5% “pandemic makeup” fee, and Clyde’s will only do two split checks (same as other venues). Clyde’s, as “An American Bar”, may not be to everyone’s liking, but they were willing to take the reservation.

https://www.clydes.com/location/gallery-place/

Clyde’s Gallery Place
707 7th Street NW
Washington DC 20001

It’s literally on top of the Gallery Place/Chinatown Metro Station, next to Capital One Stadium.

I propose meeting at around 12:30 pm, which may make it easier for those coming in from farther away to make it. Although I’ll do my best to find a green balloon, I’ll at least wear an obvious green sweater and perhaps we can decide on a word or phrase to direct others.

Of course, there’s nothing stopping the group from migrating elsewhere after 2 pm or so…

In reviewing the previous threads, the following people expressed interest:

Robtrim
Barbara
Lord Fartdaddy (etc., etc.)
lowtechcyclist
Ramona
planetjanet
Sherpatrick
Elizabelle
Shana
boatboy_srq

Today’s additions!

MattF

Others who wished to attend but have a conflict on the 18th:

Redshift
DougL
caphilldcne
frosty
EarthWindFire
tandem

All are welcome!

Please confirm by 5:00p Eastern on Thursday, 16 November 2023, that you plan to attend.

Looks like a great crowd!  If you haven’t already RSVP’d, it’s not too late!  And if you’re on the list as attending, but something has come up, please let rekoob know that, too.

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Tech Oligarchs Pick a Side

by Betty Cracker|  November 15, 202312:22 pm| 111 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Politics, Tech News & Issues

And it ain’t ours. From The Wall Street Journal:

Meta Platforms will let political ads on Facebook and Instagram question the legitimacy of the 2020 U.S. presidential election, one of several changes the social-media company and other platforms have made to loosen constraints on campaign advertising for 2024.

Meta made the change last year, but it hasn’t gained wide attention. The company decided to allow political advertisers to say past elections were “rigged” or “stolen” but prevented them from questioning the legitimacy of ongoing and coming elections.

Executives at Meta made the decision based on free-speech considerations after weighing past U.S. elections in which the results might have been contested by a portion of the electorate, according to people familiar with the issue.

The explanation in the third paragraph is horseshit. Meta’s owner saw Twitter’s purchaser abandon any pretense of responsible content moderation (and personally amplify Nazi content) without facing any regulatory blowback and decided they could too. People with sovereign piles of cash aren’t especially worried about consequences.

Relatedly, Maria at Crooked Timber published an essay today called “Silicon Valley’s worldview is not just an ideology; it’s a personality disorder.” It’s worth a read, and the diagnosis in the title is 100% correct.

A dozen or so years ago, one of the Valley’s personality disordered famously pointed out that software is eating the world. It will gobble up democracy too if we let it.

Open thread.

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Fundraising for Four Direction in Montana – with a Match and an Angel Match!

by WaterGirl|  November 15, 202311:15 am| 82 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Political Fundraising, Targeted Political Fundraising 2023-24

On Tuesday evening, we announced our fundraising effort – and a zoom with Four Directions.

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Wednesday Morning Open Thread: Democrats Are Getting It Done

by Anne Laurie|  November 15, 20239:23 am| 178 Comments

This post is in: Biden Administration in Action, Open Threads, Proud to Be A Democrat, Republican Stupidity, Republicans in Disarray!

President Biden takes questions from journalists on the South Lawn. For @nytimes pic.twitter.com/dNVEjJNGQO

— Tom Brenner (@tombrennerphoto) November 13, 2023

WATCH: @POTUS announces $6 billion in new investments from Inflation Reduction Act and the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law to make communities across the nation more resilient to climate change! pic.twitter.com/67qnGBKK3g

— Building Back Together (@BuildingBack_US) November 14, 2023

And the Prez that pulled this off WHILE resurrecting the manufacturing base, passing infrastructure, reducing poverty, AND wrecking the Russian Army without a US shot fired…has a chattering class demanding he resign cuz he has a childhood stutter idiots confuse for senility. https://t.co/AuLMWjlhaE

— zeddy (@Zeddary) November 14, 2023

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https://t.co/Eg2zEHlfaz pic.twitter.com/esec0Tz9XC

— Professional Shitposter (@FlexasaurusWrex) November 15, 2023

I’m in San Francisco for the 2023 Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation Leaders Meeting. @POTUS and I look forward to welcoming leaders from throughout the Indo-Pacific and working together to promote economic growth and prosperity in the region. pic.twitter.com/SdTNgotKQE

— Vice President Kamala Harris (@VP) November 15, 2023

Tonight, @HouseDemocrats welcome to our Caucus a trailblazing public servant and steadfast advocate for the American people — Congressman @GabeAmo!

Looking forward to working alongside our newest Member to deliver for hardworking families across New England and the country. pic.twitter.com/CMfdXylyGZ

— Katherine Clark (@WhipKClark) November 14, 2023

Minutes before Rachel Maddow walked out on our stage, we got word that the House passed Speaker Mike Johnson's bill to fund the government into the new year. Here's how @maddow reacted.#Colbert pic.twitter.com/BNwj4jVm4z

— The Late Show (@colbertlateshow) November 15, 2023

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Cold Grey Pre-Dawn Open Thread: Among the Reasons the MAGA Caucus Is (Especially) Angry Right Now

by Anne Laurie|  November 15, 20232:37 am| 130 Comments

This post is in: C.R.E.A.M., Open Threads, Proud to Be A Democrat, Republicans in Disarray!

A “Party of losers”? Dysfunction in Michigan, broke in Arizona, alienated in Georgia, the GOP is plagued by MAGA incompetence, infighting and a feckless national party leadership who don’t know how or won’t rebuke Nazi rhetoric by their Dear Leader.
Yup.https://t.co/st3IALhosA

— Michael Steele (@MichaelSteele) November 14, 2023

Y’all remember Michael Steele, ‘Chair of the Republican National Committee (RNC) from 2009 until 2011’ ?

Per the Washington Post, ‘National Republicans fear the cash crunch could hamper field operations in key swing states come 2024’ [unpaywalled gift link]:

In Arizona, the state GOP chairman has been begging the Republican National Committee for a financial bailout. Michigan party officials have gotten into physical fights as their finances have dipped into the red. And in Georgia, the state party is in a standoff with the Republican governor and saddled with legal fees for alternate electors put forward in 2020.

In each of these 2024 battlegrounds, election denial and grass-roots fervor for former president Donald Trump have rocked the Republican apparatus. Now, the state parties are plagued by infighting, struggling to raise money and sometimes to cover legal costs stemming from Trump’s efforts to overturn his 2020 defeat — threatening to hamper GOP organizing capabilities in next year’s presidential election.

“There has been an emphasis on ideological cleansing instead of electioneering,” said John Watson, the Georgia GOP chairman from 2017 to 2019. “If those new entrants to the party want to argue the earth is flat and the election is stolen, those are counterproductive to winning elections.”

State parties are typically critical in election years for mobilizing volunteers and running get-out-the-vote efforts, and they can collect larger checks or buy cheaper airtime than other groups. Those functions are now in doubt as the fissures fuel finger-pointing and competition for donor dollars. Even as more experienced leaders have taken the reins in some cases, they are struggling to undo some of the damage from MAGA-aligned predecessors and deal with continued pressure from the movement.

The transformation in these key states is the result of a coordinated movement, sometimes called the “Precinct Strategy.” Former Trump adviser Stephen K. Bannon and other MAGA influencers have promoted the effort in the past three years to slot election deniers into local party positions and demand new leadership. In local and state parties across the country, operatives and local officials say the makeup of state party leadership has changed…

As one senior Republican who spoke on the condition of anonymity to be candid put it, for anyone seen as out of step with the MAGA movement, “they will not work with you; you’re the devil.”…

Arizona: ‘We desperately need to keep the lights on’
In January, Jeff DeWit was elected Arizona state GOP chairman as a consensus choice who could bridge the party’s internal divisions between pro-Trump, election-denying activists and more-traditional conservatives, given his record of winning a statewide race in 2014 for treasurer and his early support of Trump’s first presidential run. He inherited a party in disarray from the previous chair, Kelli Ward, a MAGA firebrand who led efforts to overturn Trump’s 2020 loss in the state and has since decamped to a boat in the Caribbean.

DeWit has repeatedly asked national Republican groups for financial support that largely has not come. His appeals to the RNC began in February and have extended through mid-September, including to national and regional staffers and directly to RNC chairwoman Ronna McDaniel, according to people familiar with the discussions, who like others spoke on the condition of anonymity to disclose private conversations…

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Michigan: ‘Amateur hour’
In Michigan, infighting within the state GOP has twice broken out into physical altercations. The fights played out as Republicans there have disputed who controls some county parties, with competing factions claiming to be in charge.

The state chair, Kristina Karamo, was elected in February in a MAGA groundswell, besting Trump’s own pick of failed attorney general candidate Matt DePerno. Both he and Karamo, who ran unsuccessfully for secretary of state, came to prominence for baselessly claiming fraud in the 2020 election…

But many Michigan Republicans have already lost patience with Karamo’s leadership over concerns about the party’s finances. Some of her past supporters are already calling for her ouster…

Karamo blamed past party leaders who she accused of trying to sabotage her, making her task of raising money and recruiting volunteers harder, and acknowledged her insularity.

“One of the big problems in our party is a constant betrayal by a lot of our Republican elected officials, so that many people quit the party,” she told the group, according to a recording of the meeting. “I get stabbed in the back by a lot of opportunists.”…

Georgia: ‘A severe uphill climb’
At a bucolic wedding barn in rural Gillsville, halfway between Atlanta and the South Carolina border, a few hundred Republicans came dressed up for a barbecue dinner and an auction to raise money for legal fees of some of the people who served as alternate electors falsely claiming Trump won the 2020 election here.

The state party is stuck paying legal bills for the alternate electors after the executive committee voted in January 2022 to indemnify them, and followed up with another similar vote after former state GOP chair David Shafer’s successor, Josh McKoon, became chair in June, according to a person with knowledge of the state GOP’s internal deliberations. Shafer was charged by Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis, in a case that centers on efforts to overturn Trump’s 2020 defeat. Willis has alleged the elector scheme is part of a criminal conspiracy that includes Trump.

At the fundraiser, second vice chair David Cross said the state party needed help and had been abandoned by Kemp. “I know I’m going to get in trouble for this, but our general has not lifted a finger to help the Georgia GOP,” Cross said to cheers.

Kemp fell out with the state party over the alternate-elector plan, the party’s claims of a stolen election and Shafer’s support for Trump even as he slashed Kemp and other Georgia Republicans. Kemp’s allies in the state legislature created a new type of political committee with no contribution limits, effectively empowering Kemp to bypass the official state party in fundraising and election spending.

A Kemp adviser, speaking on the condition of anonymity to be candid, said the move was necessary because the formal party leadership had been taken over by extremists, and that other candidates in the state were now supported by Kemp’s group. The adviser said his political operation had little contact with the state party in recent years…

No more room in the lifeboat, says Kemp… More delicious detail at the link.

Could not happen to a more deserving bunch!

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Wee Hours Open Thread

by WaterGirl|  November 15, 20231:39 am| 47 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads

Rather than counting sheep so everyone who wants to can fall asleep, I’ll start you off with another question, which you can absolutely ignore and instead talk about whatever you please.

The weather is getting colder, at least for most of us.  What’s your favorite cold-weather comfort food?

And a bonus late-night Henry.  He looks a little sad.

Open thread.

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