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War for Ukraine Day 931: Lessons from Alice

by Adam L Silverman|  September 11, 20249:25 pm| 26 Comments

This post is in: Foreign Affairs, Foreign Policy, Iran, Military, Open Threads, Russia, Silverman on Security, United Kingdom, War, War in Ukraine

An illustrated page from Alice in Wonderland. Alice is in the foreground left with her back to the reader. The Cheshire cat is on a tree branch above her and to the right. Below the Cheshire cat is the following text with Alice asking the Cheshire Cat "Would you tell me please, which way I should go from here?" The Cheshire Cat replies: "That depends a good deal on where you want to get to." To which Alice replies "I don't much care where --" The Cheshire cat then replies "Then it doesn't matter which way you go."

Three quick housekeeping notes. First, Rosie is doing great. Thank you all for the good thoughts, well wishes, prayers, and donations.

Second, how/why is it only Wednesday?

Third, air raid alerts are up over all of eastern and central Ukraine as of 8:05 PM EDT/3:05 PM local time in Ukraine. No indication on the air raid alert maps of Russian strategic aviation up. Yet.

Despite everyone’s expectations, hopes, wishcasting, Secretary Blinken and Foreign Minister Lammy did not go to Ukraine today to provide Ukraine permission to use long ranger US and British weapons systems and munitions against legitimate military targets that Russia has moved farther east.

Asked about Ukraine use of long-range missiles to strike Russia, Blinken says, “[W]e have adjusted and adapted as needs have changed… and I have no doubt that we’ll continue to do tha…” Says he will share what he has learned with Biden, who meets with Starmer Friday in DC.

— Olivia Gazis (@Olivia_Gazis) September 11, 2024

As U.S.-UK-Ukraine joint presser ends and delegations depart, air raid sirens sound over Kyiv – pic.twitter.com/AhgEZW55il

— Olivia Gazis (@Olivia_Gazis) September 11, 2024

Reuters has more details:

KYIV, Sept 11 (Reuters) – The U.S. and British foreign ministers met President Volodymyr Zelenskiy on Wednesday on a visit interrupted by air raid warnings, unveiling new support but no breakthrough on the long-range strikes into Russia desperately sought by Ukraine.

U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken and British foreign minister David Lammy, in Kyiv at a critical juncture in Ukraine’s struggle against Russia, said they talked about Ukraine’s war goals and what they could do to help.

“Among other things, we discussed long-range fires, but a number of other things as well. And as I said at the outset, I’m going to take that discussion back to Washington to brief the president on what I heard,” Blinken told reporters.

Zelenskiy has been pleading with Kyiv’s allies for months to let Ukraine fire Western missiles including long-range U.S. ATACMS and British Storm Shadows deep into Russian territory to limit Moscow’s ability to launch attacks.

“We are listening carefully and, of course, we are having discussions on a range of issues, including the military equipment that Ukraine needs to win,” Lammy told a news conference alongside Blinken and Ukraine’s Foreign Minister Andrii Sybiha.

The British foreign minister suggested those discussions could continue for a few more weeks, a remark that will disappoint Ukrainians hoping the West would quickly discard fears of escalation.

Ahead of the news conference, Zelenskiy was asked whether he was optimistic the United States and Britain would greenlight deeper strikes into Russia, and he quipped that it depended instead on the “optimism” of Ukraine’s partners.

“Let’s count on some strong decisions at least. For us it’s very important for today,” he told reporters in Kyiv.

In a comment posted on his Telegram channel, Zelenskiy described the talks as “long and meaningful”.

“All the key issues were discussed,” he wrote.

“What’s important is that all the Ukrainian arguments were heard. And that concerns long-range weaponry, supplying our front-line brigades and the general strategy of moving strategically towards a just peace.”There is nervousness in Washington and some European capitals that lifting the restrictions on long-range attacks could provoke Russia towards a direct conflict with the West, at the same time as a recognition that Ukraine needs more help if it is to swing the war in its favour.

The speaker of Russia’s lower house of parliament, Vyacheslav Volodin, said Moscow would consider the United States and its allies to be parties to the war if they allowed Kyiv to use long-range weapons to strike deep in Russia.Overnight,

U.S. President Joe Biden suggested there was room for compromise, saying his administration was “working that out now” when asked if the United States would lift the restrictions on the use of long-range weapons.

The air raid alert sounded twice during Blinken and Lammy’s visit to Kyiv, before and after the news conference. A wreath-laying ceremony they were due to attend was cancelled.
Both alerts appeared to have been sounded over ballistic missile threats, but it was unclear what any missile had been targeting or what happened to the missiles.

More at the link!

We’re now almost three years into Russia’s genocidal re-invasion of Ukraine and ten and a half years into the initial invasion and the US DOES NOT have an actual strategy for Ukraine! Major General (ret) Mick Ryan wrote about that today and we’ll cover his assessment after the jump, but I’ll just reiterate that the lack of clearly articulated policy and a properly developed strategy that is feasible, suitable, and acceptable is why the Biden administration cannot seem to get its act together regarding Ukraine.

President Zelenskyy addressed the fourth Summit of the International Crimea Forum. Video below, English transcript after the jump.

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Ukraine Does Not Trade Its Land and Does Not Abandon Its People – Speech by the President at the Fourth Summit of the International Crimea Platform

11 September 2024 – 17:57

Dear attendees, dear participants, guests, our partners, friends!

Thank you very much for being with us today.

Mr. Mustafa Dzhemilev, all representatives of the Mejlis!

Dear Crimean Tatar people! All our Ukrainian people!

Today we have Nariman Dzhelyal with us. A man who is well known in Ukraine. The Deputy Chairman of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people. By the way, he is a participant of our First Summit of the Crimea Platform. Like many other people whose hearts belong to Crimea and Ukraine, the Russian occupiers tried to deprive him of his home and captured Nariman as a prisoner. They captured him and kept him behind bars for almost three years. But Ukraine does not forget its prisoners and it has not forgotten Nariman Dzhelyal. We freed him, brought him home, brought him back to Ukraine, and gave him back his freedom. And this is not just about one person. This is about our fundamental policy. The policy of our state, the policy on Crimea. The policy on all our temporarily occupied territory and on all our Ukrainian citizens who have been deprived of their freedom by Russia. We will not leave anything or anyone in captivity. I would like all our citizens in Ukraine and in the temporarily occupied territories of Ukraine to hear this – no matter where you are now, and no matter how difficult it is for you. This is part of our morality. Ukraine does not trade its land and does not abandon its people. And when we work with the world for a just end to this war, we remind them not only of the land that now – temporarily – bears the occupier’s tricolor, but also of people’s fates that cannot be left destroyed. We in Ukraine do not forget many people. And today at the Memorial I remembered many of them, we remembered them. And we must do it all the time: remind the world, remind the loved ones and families of our prisoners that we know, we remember, and we fight for them. We remember Server Mustafayev, Leniye Umerova, Amet Suleymanov, Tofik Abdulhaziiev, Vladyslav Yesypenko, and all other Crimean prisoners – prisoners of Russia.

And the same way we remember all our people – civilians and military, adults and children – who are now in Russian captivity, or who may not be behind bars, but who are unfortunately forced to go through the humiliation of occupation – one of the greatest abuses for any free person. This is the evil that should have remained forever in the distant past, but which Russia has brought to this time, taking human lives. I ask everyone present here to observe a minute of silence to honor the memory of our people who were killed by the Russian war, who were killed by Russia in captivity, in occupation, during deportation.

Thank you.

Dear friends!

Every our citizen, all our people on all the temporarily occupied Ukrainian land, all our people who are in captivity and waiting for their release, should see the most important thing – our Ukrainian flag. To see it, to feel freedom, because they will be liberated. And also, our whole country deserves reliable, guaranteed security; and the occupier must inevitably be held accountable for all the crimes of war. All this should be a just end to the war. I want to thank all those who make this happen, who fight and work for Ukraine, for their native home. I thank all our partners – those who are present, and those who are helping us, but are not here now. Those who are really with us all the time, supporting us; and I urge everyone not to waste time, and not to miss opportunities. And I appeal to the members of the Crimea Platform: we need maximum support to bring people back from captivity and to stop all Russian abuses.

Why are Crimean Tatars persecuted in the occupied Crimea? Why have there been 10 years of repression against Muslims and many others who just want to live their lives freely? Why are most of the people in Russian captivity brutally tortured? We cannot turn a blind eye to all this. And I urge, first of all, the states of our region, and these are Muslim societies – both Türkiye and Azerbaijan –please, show your leadership and help us stand up against injustice and abuse. You need to be heard. We desperately need your voices. Especially to counter the evil that Russia is doing to the Crimean Tatar people. And we urge the countries that are working to implement the Peace Formula – and there are already almost a hundred countries from all parts of the world: convince your partners who are still holding back from working with us – convince them that true peace must have no alternatives. No frozen occupations! No people left behind in captivity! No repressions forgotten and thus seemingly forgiven by the world. When we remember the victims of the deportation of the Crimean Tatar people and today, we opened the Memorial in Kyiv that will preserve the memory of this crime against the people, we affirm that no crime of the occupier should remain unanswered. When we insist on a just end to the war, when we remind the world that the occupation of our Crimea was the beginning of this war, we fight for international law and the security of every nation. When our warriors liberate the Black Sea from Russia’s military presence, we prove to everyone in the world that there are no omnipotent aggressors. And when our Ukrainian drones and missiles, our warriors, deprive the occupier of its tranquility, we all feel that tranquility will definitely return to Ukraine and for Ukraine. And we all want peace together. We all need security together. So, we all have to work together to advance Ukraine’s victory – a truly lasting peace. I am confident: we will be able to achieve this – to achieve real peace, just peace, and above all lasting peace. We see it. And we will see, I am sure, a free Crimea.

I want to thank you all once again for always standing with Ukraine! Glory to all our warriors, to all our people!

Glory to Ukraine!

And here’s the video of President Zelenskyy’s remarks at the opening of the Memorial to the Victims of the Crimean Tatar Genocide.

On behalf of the Ukrainian people, I extend our heartfelt condolences to the families and close ones of the 9/11 victims.

We join our key ally, the United States, and the entire American people in today’s commemoration of those who perished as a result of this heinous crime. We… pic.twitter.com/SgFb6nH7hG

— Volodymyr Zelenskyy / Володимир Зеленський (@ZelenskyyUa) September 11, 2024

On behalf of the Ukrainian people, I extend our heartfelt condolences to the families and close ones of the 9/11 victims.

We join our key ally, the United States, and the entire American people in today’s commemoration of those who perished as a result of this heinous crime. We honor all of those who worked tirelessly in the aftermath of the attack to help others, often sacrificing their lives to do so.

We mourn alongside you, our American friends. We, Ukrainians, are all too familiar with the pain and grief of families who have lost loved ones as a result of terror.

We are determined to defend our common values against terror and aggression. Every peace-loving nation and every family deserves to live in safety. We must and will stand together with our allies to ensure this. Terror must never go unpunished.

The cost:

Tomorrow in the Central Synagogue there will be a farewell to my son Matityagi (Anton), who died at the front defending Ukraine pic.twitter.com/b93bNAxPxj

— Chief Rabbi Of Ukraine Moshe Azman (@RabbiUkraine) September 11, 2024

Lithuania:

Lithuania is providing 10 million euros to finance our long-range capabilities, including the Palanytsia rocket-drone. This is a huge support that will help Ukraine defend itself even more effectively. — minister @rustem_umerov.

We are grateful to our Lithuanian friends for… pic.twitter.com/nddJWUgdS5

— Defense of Ukraine (@DefenceU) September 11, 2024

Lithuania is providing 10 million euros to finance our long-range capabilities, including the Palanytsia rocket-drone. This is a huge support that will help Ukraine defend itself even more effectively. — minister
@rustem_umerov.

We are grateful to our Lithuanian friends for their staunch support!
🇺🇦🤝🇱🇹

Germany:

⚡️ Zelenskyy: “I know nothing about Scholz’s peace plan. There can be no plans for us without Ukraine, and I’m not sure that such plans even exist,”

📷: @APUkraine pic.twitter.com/VWBfBRybnf

— UNITED24 Media (@United24media) September 11, 2024

That should leave a mark, but I’m not sure you can shame the shameless.

The UK:

In his first visit to Kyiv UK Foreign Secretary will announce at least £600 million worth of support to Ukraine

-£242 million announced for 2024 to 2025 for immediate humanitarian, energy and stabilisation needs as well as support to reforms, recovery and reconstruction.

-$484… pic.twitter.com/ftpiXgTTJI

— Special Kherson Cat 🐈🇺🇦 (@bayraktar_1love) September 11, 2024

In his first visit to Kyiv UK Foreign Secretary will announce at least £600 million worth of support to Ukraine

-£242 million announced for 2024 to 2025 for immediate humanitarian, energy and stabilisation needs as well as support to reforms, recovery and reconstruction.

-$484 million worth of loan guarantees for World Bank lending before the end of the year, to bolster Ukraine’s economic stability.

Foreign Secretary David Lammy said:
“The UK’s support to Ukraine is unwavering. Our commitment of over £600 million worth of support is the latest installment in our enduring support to Ukraine. This will provide vital support to Ukrainians as they continue to endure relentless Russian attacks.”

https://gov.uk/government/news/uk-foreign-secretary-and-us-secretary-of-state-in-kyiv-in-first-ever-joint-visit-as-david-lammy-announces-over-600-million-worth-of-support-for-ukra

The US:

Let’s start with the better news:

US Secretary of State, during his visit to Kyiv announced the allocation of humanitarian aid to Ukraine in the total amount of more than $700 million:

-$325 million to restore Ukrainian energy infrastructure and power grids;

-$290 million to provide basic services – including… pic.twitter.com/XmkFWPT5QD

— Special Kherson Cat 🐈🇺🇦 (@bayraktar_1love) September 11, 2024

US Secretary of State, during his visit to Kyiv announced the allocation of humanitarian aid to Ukraine in the total amount of more than $700 million:

-$325 million to restore Ukrainian energy infrastructure and power grids;

-$290 million to provide basic services – including safe drinking water, food and medicine – to millions of people who have been forced to flee their homes;

-$102 million for humanitarian demining.

https://eurointegration.com.ua/news/2024/09/11/7193997/

European Pravda has the details: (machine translated)

During a visit to Kyiv on Wednesday, September 11, US Secretary of State Anthony Blinken announced the allocation of humanitarian and other assistance to Ukraine totaling more than $ 700 million.

He said this at a press conference together with the heads of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine and Great Britain, according to “European Truth”.

Blinken stressed that Russia is once again trying to attack Ukrainian energy, “to use the cold as a weapon against the Ukrainian people.”

“That is why today we are announcing the allocation of $ 325 million in new funding for the restoration of Ukrainian energy and electricity networks,” – he announced, adding that a meeting of the Group of Seven Plus will be held in the near future, also dedicated to helping Ukraine’s energy.

The US Secretary of State also announced $ 290 million in humanitarian support to provide basic services – including safe drinking water, food and medicine – to millions of people in Ukraine and the region who have been forced to flee their homes.

“Finally, we are announcing the allocation of $ 102 million in additional funding for humanitarian demining to help neutralize landmines and ammunition left by Russia throughout Ukraine,” Blinken added.

It will be recalled that the heads of US and British diplomatic missions Anthony Blinken and David Lemmy on Wednesday arrived together in Kyiv.

Against this background, Britain announced the selection at least £ 242 million to support Ukraine in the face of ongoing Russian attacks, as well as the deployment of $ 484 million in financial support and military equipment.

If you’re wondering why the Secretary of State had to go to Kyiv to announce this, I’ll remind everyone that the Federal fiscal year ends on 30 September. If you do not spend all of your travel budget, or any other part of your budget, by the end of the fiscal year, you don’t get as much next year. Of course, that is predicated on Congress actually passing the legislation to fund the US government past 30 September 2024.

In less good news.

‼️ In a separate letter, a group of key House Republicans also urged Joe Biden to let Ukraine strike targets deep inside Russia. “The administration’s concerns about escalation have been consistently invalidated since Day One of the war. Neither Ukraine’s use of U.S.-provided… pic.twitter.com/LX3zxSbRLD

— Ostap Yarysh (@OstapYarysh) September 11, 2024

Here’s the full text of both tweets from Voice of American News reporter Ostap Yarysh:

‼️ In a letter to @POTUS, a bipartisan group of lawmakers from the Congressional Ukraine Caucus called to lift restrictions on striking inside Russia with long-range weapons. “We write to request that you immediately end limitations on Ukraine’s use of long-range weapons provided by the US and other NATO allies to strike legitimate military targets inside Russia. … [These restrictions] are inconsistent with those that we would ever accept for our own operations or those we place on other security partners who use American weapons to defend their sovereignty and people, such as Israel.”

‼️ In a separate letter, a group of key House Republicans also urged Joe Biden to let Ukraine strike targets deep inside Russia. “The administration’s concerns about escalation have been consistently invalidated since Day One of the war. Neither Ukraine’s use of U.S.-provided weapons in Russia nor its military incursion into Russia’s Kursk region – the first foreign occupation of Russian territory since World War II – have triggered a Russian escalatory response.”

Here’s the actual letters.

As I indicated above, Australian Major General (ret) Mick Ryan dove deep into the fact that the Biden administration has gone almost three years without a strategy for Ukraine.

In the past 24 hours, it has been reported that the Biden administration has finally submitted a strategy for supporting #Ukraine to the U.S. Congress. What is the current U.S. strategy for Ukraine, what might the new strategy look like and will it influence on the trajectory of the war? 1/19 🧵Image
2/ Currently, there is no published U.S. strategy specifically for the war in #Ukraine. After 31 months, the Biden administration is still using crisis management, speeches and slogans such as ‘for as long as it takes’ rather than developing and executed a clear, well resourced strategy for Ukraine. 
3/ The key elements of the U.S. approach since the beginning of the war have been: 1. Providing military assistance to Ukraine; 2. Rallying international support to provide economic, humanitarian & military aid; 3. Leading development & implementation of economic sanctions; & 4. Avoiding a war between the U.S. & Russia. 

4/ The lack of a clear U.S. strategy for #Ukraine is hardly a new issue. Several organisations have proposed strategies for the U.S. approach to the war. In May this year, the Center for Strategic and International Studies proposed a plan for Victory in Ukraine encompassing five strategic initiatives.

Victory in Ukraine Starts with Addressing Five Strategic ProblemsThe new assistance package passed by Congress requires the administration to produce a U.S. strategy for supporting Ukraine. This piece outlines five key issues this strategy should address.https://www.csis.org/analysis/victory-ukraine-starts-addressing-five-strategic-problems
5/ What might an explicit U.S. strategy seek to achieve, and what might its major components be? In essence, what will be the purpose of the strategy and its key lines of effort? 
6/ The most important element of the strategy will be the purpose of U.S. support that is described in the document. Based on a realistic diagnosis of Ukrainian and Russian capacity, and the current situation in the war, the purpose should include a clear vision of the outcome, or the end state, of the war that the U.S. seeks. 
7/ The strategy might employ existing statements on Ukraine such as a 2022 opinion piece from the U.S. President. Biden wrote in a May 2022 New York Times op-ed about Ukraine that “America’s goal is straightforward: We want to see a democratic, independent, sovereign and prosperous Ukraine with the means to deter and defend itself against further aggression.” 
8/ However, a clear end state is insufficient. What strategic tasks might be needed to achieve this? 
9/ Just ‘defending Ukraine’ is insufficient. The new U.S. strategy, if it is to have any impact, must shift to ‘defeat Russia in Ukraine’ as a key objective. This will influence thinking in Europe and message Putin that he will not be allowed to ‘win by waiting out’ the West. It should also inform the amount and pace of support for Ukraine. 
10/ Another objective must be to sustain the international coalition that is supporting Ukraine. Across an array of military and economic support initiatives, this coalition is providing an enormous amount of support to Ukraine and this need to be sustained, if not increased in size and speed of delivery. 
11/ A third objective should be investment in defence industry to hasten support to Ukraine, rebuild U.S. war stocks and to deter Chinese adventurism. This might include increased defence production in the US, and among its allies, as well as additional sanctions and covert action to interfere with defence production in Russia and unfriendly nations. 
12/ A 4th objective will be achieving increased diplomatic support for Ukraine from the international community and lessen the tendency of fence-sitting nations to tacitly support Russia through procuring cheap energy or not supporting Ukraine in the United Nations. Related to this must be increased efforts to counter Russian misinformation, and its amplification by countries such as China. 
13/ These objectives would underpin ‘winning the war’. But a U.S. strategy should also anticipate and support Ukraine ‘winning the peace’. 
14/ Winning the Peace objectives would include security guarantees for Ukraine (including support for its entry into NATO and bilateral arrangements), support for reconstruction in Ukraine and the support for pursuing and prosecuting Russian war criminals. Collectively, this will probably be a decades long undertaking. 
15/ Nothing in this proposed strategy is simple, cheap or quick. But that is not what strategy is about. 
16/ The U.S. will need to move beyond policies and statements which provide instant gratification to a strategy that underpins a theory of victory for Ukraine, guarantees its long-term security – and provides reassurance for other U.S. allies about the capacity and reliability of the U.S. in Europe and other parts of the world. 
17/ Time will tell whether the new U.S. strategy shifts thinking about U.S. support for Ukraine. It could be a consequential document that sets a different and more audacious policy for U.S. support to Ukraine. Alternatively, it might be just more of what we have seen in the past 31 months, and then die a quiet death in early 2025. 
18/ But, once it is leaked, which is almost certain, many will be watching for insights to hopefully answer a key question that remains unclear at present: does the U.S really want Ukraine to win? Read my full article on this topic here: mickryan.substack.com/p/a-us-strateg…
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A U.S. Strategy for Ukraine…FinallyA Ukraine strategy has apparently been delivered to the U.S. Congress. What might this U.S. strategy look like and what impact will it have?https://mickryan.substack.com/p/a-us-strategy-for-ukrainefinally
19/ Thank you to the following for the links and images used in this thread: @DefenceU @CSIS 

The Biden administration is definitely in Lessons from Alice territory.

Alice: “Would you tell me, please, which way I ought to go from here?”

The Cheshire Cat: “That depends a good deal on where you want to get to.”

Alice: “I don’t much care where.”

The Cheshire Cat: “Then it doesn’t much matter which way you go.”

Alice: “…so long as I get somewhere.”

The Cheshire Cat: “Oh, you’re sure to do that, if only you walk long enough.”

We used to use the above in Seminar 12 at USAWC. We applied these lessons in the following way:

If you don’t know where you’re going, it really doesn’t matter which path you take.

If you don’t know where you’re going, you probably won’t know if you’ve arrived.

If you don’t know where you’re going, no matter where you are… you’re there.

If you don’t know where you are, you probably can’t chart a course to where you want to go.

Decisiveness comes from knowing the desired endstate!

In World War II, the U.S. made the right choice by helping liberate Europe, turning Europe into one of the most prosperous places on Earth. If Ukraine falls to Russia, a possibility more real than many pro-Ukrainians think, it will undermine the US-created postwar order.

— Tatarigami_UA (@Tatarigami_UA) September 11, 2024

After watching Blinken/Lammy presser, with ballistic missiles threat over Kyiv, I’ve got one question: how many more Ukrainians have to be butchered by Russia before we’re allowed to hit back? Words of support won’t win this war. We need the right to defend ourselves. That simple pic.twitter.com/RG39IMEl50

— Maria Avdeeva (@maria_avdv) September 11, 2024

The DPRK:

North Korea has continued to supply advanced short-range ballistic missiles, specifically the Hwasong-11, to Russia despite sanctions. Investigators from Conflict Armament Research, who analyzed remnants of these missiles in Kyiv on September 3, found that at least one missile… pic.twitter.com/B2YNQL69cQ

— NOELREPORTS 🇪🇺 🇺🇦 (@NOELreports) September 11, 2024

North Korea has continued to supply advanced short-range ballistic missiles, specifically the Hwasong-11, to Russia despite sanctions. Investigators from Conflict Armament Research, who analyzed remnants of these missiles in Kyiv on September 3, found that at least one missile used in an August 18 attack was produced this year. Missiles from July and August lacked clear manufacturing dates.

https://nytimes.com/2024/09/11/us/russia-north-korea-missiles-ukraine.html

Iran:

Satellite imagery has captured a Russian-flagged cargo ship suspected of transporting ballistic missiles from Iran docked at a port in Russia – Sky News

Port Olya 3 vessel had shipped around 220 short-range ballistic missiles via the Caspian Sea to Russia. The source told the… https://t.co/UFm4tQnmP5 pic.twitter.com/bdOOV3EoUZ

— Anton Gerashchenko (@Gerashchenko_en) September 11, 2024

Satellite imagery has captured a Russian-flagged cargo ship suspected of transporting ballistic missiles from Iran docked at a port in Russia – Sky News

Port Olya 3 vessel had shipped around 220 short-range ballistic missiles via the Caspian Sea to Russia. The source told the news network that the ship arrived at the Russian port on 4 September.

It is believed the Fateh-360 ballistic missiles – with a range of more than 70 miles – were loaded on to a large cargo train. The Ukrainian source said an assumption is that they will be sent to a military training ground called Ashuluk for tests and to enable further training before they are used on the battlefield.

Source: https://news.sky.com/story/russian-ship-captured-in-satellite-image-delivering-ballistic-missiles-from-iran-13212835

The Ukrainians have brought down another Russian Su-30.

Aaaaaaaand Russians confirm the loss of a Sukhoi Su-30SM that was supposedly downed over the Black Sea today. pic.twitter.com/nG6ZI4V64S

— Illia Ponomarenko 🇺🇦 (@IAPonomarenko) September 11, 2024

/3. Russian sources say that pilots of the Su-30SM which was downed over the Black Sea are dead. pic.twitter.com/xMgo3cbaYB

— Special Kherson Cat 🐈🇺🇦 (@bayraktar_1love) September 11, 2024

Here’s the full text of tweet 2:

/2. Claims from Ukrainian sources regarding the Russian Su-30:

“Yesterday, around 11:40 p.m., an enemy Su-30SM tactical aircraft “disappeared” over the Black Sea after launching Kh-31P missiles targeting Odesa region.

Today, search and rescue operations are ongoing at the place of its disappearance (63 km from Zaliznyi Port, Kherson region).

There was no information about the two crew members, there is a possibility that both did not survive.”

https://t.me/war_monitor/20622

Not quite sure where in Ukraine this was:

And now we have a night-time interception of a Russian surveillance drone Zala.

Ukraine seems to be effectively ramping up its response to the increasingly massive presence of Russian eyes in the Ukrainian skies.

Vid published by @BackAndAlive pic.twitter.com/cwcbERHACE

— Illia Ponomarenko 🇺🇦 (@IAPonomarenko) September 11, 2024

We appear to have a new Orlan interception record:

Claimed, interception of the Russian Orlan reconnaissance drone at an altitude of 4060 meters.https://t.co/bh2jdwoDpf https://t.co/LEy8RGL2QU pic.twitter.com/HSN2urTQIe

— Special Kherson Cat 🐈🇺🇦 (@bayraktar_1love) September 11, 2024

The old record didn’t even last two weeks!

Konotop:

Russia has struck an apartment building in downtown Konotop. According to the city mayor, first responders are currently working to extinguish the fire. There are reports of injuries. More details will follow soon

— Kate from Kharkiv (@BohuslavskaKate) September 11, 2024

Donetsk Oblast:

Russian forces just attacked a busy village center in Donetsk oblast with cluster munitions. I was there and have seen one civilian killed and at least two more injured. Not publishing photos for now. The intensity of Russian attacks is only escalating here in eastern Ukraine.

— Christopher Miller (@ChristopherJM) September 11, 2024

The Pokrovsk front:

Updated map showing Russian advances on the Pokrovsk front, around Klishchiivka, and north of Krasnohorivka. It also shows expanded assessed Russian control north of Chasiv Yar and expanded grey zone in Kursk from recent Russian advances. According to the map, Russian forces are… https://t.co/dXvxklWbXg pic.twitter.com/eGy4tjozOY

— Rob Lee (@RALee85) September 11, 2024

Updated map showing Russian advances on the Pokrovsk front, around Klishchiivka, and north of Krasnohorivka. It also shows expanded assessed Russian control north of Chasiv Yar and expanded grey zone in Kursk from recent Russian advances. According to the map, Russian forces are less than 8km from Pokrovsk.

https://deepstatemap.live/en#12/51.3265356/34.9382401…

https://t.me/DeepStateUA/20324

“It is highly likely that Ukrainian Defense Forces will be forced to completely abandon the bridgehead east of the Vovcha River in the direction of Nevelske and retreat to the Hirnyk–Kurakhivka line.

The situation in the Selidove area has deteriorated significantly, with the… pic.twitter.com/VcoAfnkJrF

— Rob Lee (@RALee85) September 11, 2024

“It is highly likely that Ukrainian Defense Forces will be forced to completely abandon the bridgehead east of the Vovcha River in the direction of Nevelske and retreat to the Hirnyk–Kurakhivka line.

The situation in the Selidove area has deteriorated significantly, with the enemy very close to entering the city from the east and northeast. They also managed to advance west of Novohrodivka.”

They also report that elements from Russia’s 61st Naval Infantry Brigade has been redeployed from Kherson oblast to Komarovka in Kursk Oblast.
https://cdsdailybrief.substack.com/p/corrected-date-russias-war-on-ukraine-982

Belgorod Oblast, Russia:

This is an interesting little story; someone (either local partisans or Ukrainian infiltrators) blew up a railway line as a Russian freight train was passing, causing derailment and severe damage to the locomotive and train cars. https://t.co/ob1nqdPyLD pic.twitter.com/MpMyK3iCLB

— Jimmy Rushton (@JimmySecUK) September 11, 2024

Murmansk, Russia:

Russian Telegram channels report that Murmansk airport is closed due to a threat of a drone attack. No flights in or out.

Murmansk is almost 2,000 km away from Ukraine. pic.twitter.com/33HnuuHFcc

— Anton Gerashchenko (@Gerashchenko_en) September 11, 2024

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Wednesday Night Open Thread: No Concept — *You’re* the Concept!

by Anne Laurie|  September 11, 20247:18 pm| 44 Comments

This post is in: Elections 2024, Kamala Harris for President, Open Threads, Proud to Be A Democrat, Trumpery

It looks like winning debates is a black job. pic.twitter.com/j84hMx9PQP

— Alex Cole (@acnewsitics) September 11, 2024

When will Our Very Serious Major Media start demanding that the GOP replace failing candidate Donald Trump?

(But seriously: Can we drag out the dissection of Trump’s performance for the next three weeks, as would only be *fair*?)

lol pic.twitter.com/WY7pyjPcbd

— Kamala HQ (@KamalaHQ) September 11, 2024

The funniest part of last night was how easily Trump was baited into sounding like an unhinged moron.

Like, everyone, EVERYONE could see what she was doing – but like the petulant little bitch he is, he couldn’t NOT respond.

— justin (@justinchirped) September 11, 2024

They are panicking https://t.co/bmWZYNdnG6

— Patrick (@QuadCityPat) September 11, 2024

Just a reminder: Trump didn’t have a bad night. This is just who he is, and has been all along, visible to anyone who looked past the sanewashing.

Probably this is also who Harris has been all along, but now she has broken through the negative narratives that have clung to her.

— Paul Krugman (@paulkrugman) September 11, 2024

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Saying you would deal with Vladimir Putin by getting along well with him only means that Vladimir Putin has already dealt with you.

— Garry Kasparov (@Kasparov63) September 11, 2024

Re-upping that 'Abdul' was not Trump racistly making up a guy. He's just on a first name basis with an enemy leader, captured by Obama, that Trump released (no hostages in return.) Then cut a deal with him that doomed our Afghan allies and hamstrung US forces during withdrawal. https://t.co/ohUBi6QzJs

— zeddy (@Zeddary) September 11, 2024

As @geoffgarin said, the strength of KH's performance was that she reached out to swing voters AND energized her supporters. Every Trump hater has spent 9 years w a pack of lines they want someone to say right to Trumps face. And Harris somehow managed to get in every last one.

— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) September 11, 2024

Reporter: I was in a focus group this morning of nine former Trump voters from swing states. All of them said they were now leaning far more towards voting for Harris pic.twitter.com/aPAmNHdB9O

— Kamala HQ (@KamalaHQ) September 11, 2024

Taylor Swift endorsing Harris after her debate performance against Trump is like the soldier who walks up to the guy executed by firing squad and shoots him again to make sure he's dead

— Michael A. Cohen (NOT TRUMP’S FORMER FIXER) (@speechboy71) September 11, 2024

Vance: They’re saying Kamala Harris knocked Trump off his game and got under his skin pic.twitter.com/goMYRUu6eO

— Kamala HQ (@KamalaHQ) September 11, 2024

Journalist: Trump looked rattled. Vice President Harris looked like she belonged. She looked like she is someone who can be president pic.twitter.com/0By3cU1Mdf

— Kamala HQ (@KamalaHQ) September 11, 2024

The ABC moderators have let Trump speak for 9 minutes longer – roughly 30% more – than Harris. The way they've "rigged" the debate is by letting him hang himself with his own stream-of-consciousness rambles. pic.twitter.com/QWkHCE6L7K

— James Surowiecki (@JamesSurowiecki) September 11, 2024

Gov. Walz: Folks across the country saw Kamala Harris conduct herself with dignity. And you saw a nearly 80-year-old angry narcissist continue to veer off into things that are dangerous. She talks about them. He talks about himself pic.twitter.com/gXyUd76Vwx

— Kamala HQ (@KamalaHQ) September 11, 2024

Dear Media — You owe the American people three full weeks of wall-to-wall coverage on Trump’s awful debate performance and how he is unfit to be President and should drop out.

— Abraxsys (@Abraxsys) September 11, 2024

Tough to compete with this pic.twitter.com/gh867GBZ2b

— New York Times Pitchbot (@DougJBalloon) September 11, 2024

lol what the fuck were these people watching? Subscribe to The Onion. pic.twitter.com/vcQgX8mAOF

— Tim Onion (@oneunderscore__) September 11, 2024

BREAKING — Trump announces he does NOT want to do any more debates with Kamala Harris, even if they’re on Fox News.

Yup. Kamala wrecked him. It wasn’t even close.

And now he’s scared of her.

— Tristan Snell (@TristanSnell) September 11, 2024

Vice President Harris’ closing statement: “You've heard two very different visions for our country. One that is focused on the future and the other that is an attempt to take us backward. But we're not going back” pic.twitter.com/jWhvL9NNC1

— Kamala HQ (@KamalaHQ) September 11, 2024

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Going Full Nutcase Early

by @heymistermix.com|  September 11, 20244:53 pm| 246 Comments

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Going Full Nutcase Early

NYT “fact checks” aside, the Haitians eating dogs and transgender prison operations bullshit is coming out much earlier this cycle than in past elections.  Back in the good old days, Republicans would save this shit until the last moment, and they’d spread it via mailers and robocalls, so people who were going to vote would hear/see it, but it was too late for the Democrat to push back.

Instead, we have Trump and Vance pushing a bunch of horrible lies.  Unfortunately for his campaign, Trump has gotten more unhinged and yells the soft part out loud more than he used to.  But don’t underestimate JD:  he’s halfway decent at pushing a lie and making it sound reasonable (that’s a link to a Xitter video in a scrum).  Of course, in the hands of an interviewer working him 1:1, he’s still sounds shitty.  (Here and here are two more Xitter vids of an interview with Kaitlan Collins).

It’s a sign of desperation and double-triple-fipling down on anti-immigrant and anti-trans hate that causes them to trot this shit out so early.  It’s also a sign of how much the right wing media landscape has changed in the past few years.  Steve M has a good post on this, key point:

But in recent years, as Fox News has begun losing its primacy on the right while the Internet has increasingly been the main source for what rank-and-file right-wingers believe, fringe ideas have become more mainstream: Barack Obama birtherism, the allegedly stolen election in 2020, QAnon’s notion of a vast elitist pedophile ring that somehow excludes all Republicans.

It sure didn’t help Trump that his companion on the plane ride to Philly was nutjob Laura Loomer.  When you lie down with pigs, you end up covered in shit.

Anyway, in some good news, it looks like we might just have our first trans Member of Congress — Sarah McBride won her primary last night for the Delaware at-large seat vacated by Lisa Blunt Rochester, who is running to replace retiring Tom Carper.  The more trans visibility, the better.

 

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Wednesday Late Morning Open Thread

by WaterGirl|  September 11, 202412:02 pm| 276 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads

Looks like we could use an open thread.

Henry is tired after the debate.  That’s all I’ve got, back to work!

Wednesday Late Morning Open Thread

Here you go!

 

 

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NCAAT Fundraising Update

by WaterGirl|  September 11, 202411:20 am| 8 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Political Action, Political Fundraising, Targeted Political Fundraising 2023-24

I have a quick update on the NCAAT fundraising.

We are at $17,000, which is awesome.

Side note: For some reason I can’t quite recall (!) I didn’t manage to get any client work done last evening!   I am not where I need to be, so I will be MIA for most of today.  So this one is simple.  No reporting of NCAAT donations is necessary, just get the thermometer to $21,000, please. :-)

Why?  Because we have a Balloon Juice Angel who will complete the match for us as soon as the thermometer hist $21,000.

This Angel writes a check rather than adding to the thermometer, so for now I have changed our goal to $21,000 to be more clear that once we hit that amount in the thermometer, we will have met our goal!

Because we have a double external match + a BJ Angel, all donations to NCAAT of any amount are 6x!

You’re still free to note a donation in the comments to inspire other people, if you want, but no reporting is necessary.  

I am going to take a quick peek to see how the debate is being reported and then it’s work, work, work for me.  Hoping that between Kamala being was so great last night and him being so weak, that maybe the media wasn’t able to go with their prepared take on the debate.  (Either he won or it was a toss-up.)


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Wednesday Morning Open Thread: Concepts of A Plan

by Anne Laurie|  September 11, 20248:07 am| 382 Comments

This post is in: Elections 2024, Kamala Harris for President, Open Threads, Readership Capture, Republicans in Disarray!

Kamala after the debate https://t.co/YJBnzGatMx pic.twitter.com/3hyigU4ZnR

— vituperativeerb (@vituperativeerb) September 10, 2024

"Do you have a plan?"

"I have concepts of a plan."

If Biden answered a question like this, the entire media would be talking about it for the next 48 hours.

— Destiny (@TheOmniLiberal) September 11, 2024

What made the vibes of that debate so bad for Trump is that nobody's gonna want to vote for the guy who said weird shit while a pretty girl laughed at him, this has been ingrained in our psyches since middle school pic.twitter.com/py9FlFy6Wc

— Swann Marcus (@SwannMarcus89) September 11, 2024


(A point made more crudely — using manosphere terms — by a parody account here.)

Sounds like he's having an off night. He's normally so dialed in and disciplined. https://t.co/O6QzOfIkOh

— River_Tam (@RiverTamYDN) September 11, 2024

.@jrpsaki: “Donald Trump offered no competing vision because Donald Trump has no vision. He does not even have, as he claimed, ‘concepts of a plan.’” pic.twitter.com/2BlqxSYnMI

— Inside with Jen Psaki (@InsideWithPsaki) September 11, 2024

"Harris Managed To Do TV Better Than Trump: The vice president was, simply put, better at the medium the ex-president mastered." – @samstein https://t.co/SrCbC9ccKY

— Tim Miller (@Timodc) September 11, 2024

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… The defining image of the night will be the wide shots of the stage: a dour Trump—appearing joyless and increasingly agitated—never seemed to look at Harris once. She, by contrast, shifted her body to the right when he spoke, turning to him like a mother addressing a child in tantrum, or to look on confusedly as he went on a rant.

In the end, Harris beat Trump at the business of television, which is a remarkable achievement, and probably one that Trump will rue. For him, television is gospel.

Harris and her team get most of the credit for this. The preparations she made for the night were evident throughout. She and her aides went in with a plan to bait Trump into overreactions. And he took it—repeatedly fumbling debate sections that would have favored him (on subjects like immigration, inflation, and Afghanistan) to address sideshow topics that Harris tossed out like chum to a hungry shark (just how much was his inheritance???).

Which is to say that it was not just Harris’s prep work but also Trump’s shortcomings that decided the night. He was unable to keep his focus or cool. He never got around to saying he’d veto a national abortion ban, he invited the idea that he’d once more try and repeal Obamacare, and he refused to say he wants Ukraine to win. To be fair, it’s possible that he believes a veto should be off the table, that Obamacare should be repealed, and that the Russians are the good guys. But smart debaters can deftly maneuver around this type of tripwire. Trump allowed Harris to get to the right of him on China and crime. He called himself a leader on “fertilization.” He glommed on to online MAGA’s fever dream that dogs are being eaten by migrants in Ohio. His closing remarks touched on energy policy in . . . Germany…

And it was driven fully home when the debate was over, the second-most-interesting visual of the night was produced. There was Trump, coming out into the spin room, the place where a candidate sends his or her deputies to work the press—since God knows that’s the purview of the plebs, not the person in charge…

I’m not even seeing anyone on the right try and claim Trump came out on top. They’re just whining about the moderators

I’ve only seen clips and haven’t watched the whole thing, but this must have been a worse massacre than any debate in 2016 or 2020 by a wide margin

— Swann Marcus (@SwannMarcus89) September 11, 2024

Full thread of highlights from tonight's Harris/Trump debate ?? https://t.co/GTEhkjwDIG

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) September 11, 2024

"She wants to do transgender operations on illegal aliens in prison."

He took every right-wing fever swamp fear and rolled them into one.

— Jeremy Wilcox (@jwilcox79) September 11, 2024


Not to get too deep into the details (and leaving aside Chelsea Manning’s case): The ‘transgender operations on illegal aliens in prison‘ accusation went through the Massachusetts legal system in a case a dozen years or so ago. It was ruled that the government owes those in its custody generally accepted standards of medical care, even to particularly vile murderers, and even care that not every citizen agrees *should* be generally accepted. So a detained ‘illegal alien’ would be entitled to hormone replacement and other accommodations, though I doubt there will be a spate of cases where individuals are held in the U.S. long enough to qualify for reassignment surgery.

Trump walks into a Kamala Harris counter

Trump: She is Joe Biden.

Harris: I am not Joe Biden. And I’m certainly not Donald Trump. What I do offer is a new generation of leadership

Trump flails in response pic.twitter.com/HsRhPVjStk

— Acyn (@Acyn) September 11, 2024

You can literally pinpoint the exact moment where Trump lost the debate. pic.twitter.com/yzNV9BCpu9

— Brian Tyler Cohen (@briantylercohen) September 11, 2024

Pop Crave shares with its 1.8 million followers:

“In Springfield, they’re eating the dogs, the people that came in, they’re eating the cats, they’re eating the pets of the people that live there.”

– Donald Trump on immigration during the presidential debate pic.twitter.com/0A6UEeAwtd

— Pop Crave (@PopCrave) September 11, 2024

CNN Poll:

Pre-debate:
50% of watchers expected Kamala to win, 50% expected Trump to win.

Post debate:

63% say Kamala won, 37% say Trump won

— Ben Dreyfuss (@bendreyfuss) September 11, 2024

"He's aging and it shows" — CNN is openly talking about Trump's decline pic.twitter.com/0Ve9o5CASr

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) September 11, 2024

Trump is in the spin room ranting about poll numbers fed to him by his campaign: "I think it was the best debate personally that I've had…She wants to do another one because she got beaten tonight…The polls are indicating that we got 90%, 60%, 72%, 71%, and 89%." pic.twitter.com/AzBCdV9eCI

— Republican Voters Against Trump (@AccountableGOP) September 11, 2024

I really should not be such a partisan Democrat given how many things I don’t like about them, but the GOP forced this on me

I learned it from you, dad!

— Swann Marcus (@SwannMarcus89) September 11, 2024

“WHY WOULDN’T YOU LOOK AT HER??”?????? https://t.co/31Ufe0bOyp

— Rex Chapman???? (@RexChapman) September 11, 2024

I’m starting to think perhaps Matt Gaetz, Laura Loomer, and Tulsi Gabbard are not top-tier debate coaches idk.

— Colton Long (@ColtonMLong) September 11, 2024

lmao whichever Trump campaign aides who allowed Laura Loomer to be the last person Trump hangs out with before the debate should be fired, and probably imprisoned https://t.co/a2OfeM8qvl

— Tony (@realtonysm1th) September 11, 2024

We are so back, the crypto-Republicans are complaining about the umpire pic.twitter.com/X4BHadiylZ

— Swann Marcus (@SwannMarcus89) September 11, 2024

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Post-Debate Discussion Open Thread

by Anne Laurie|  September 10, 202410:49 pm| 259 Comments

This post is in: Elections 2024, Kamala Harris for President, Open Threads, Proud to Be A Democrat

kamala is like HEY DONALD IM LAYING A TRAP YOU PROBABLY SHOULDNT WALK INTO IT YOU BETTER NOT and he walks RIGHT IN

— Marisa Kabas (@marisakabas.bsky.social) September 10, 2024 at 9:38 PM

My opinion, and more importantly that of a lot of more influential watchers, is that Vice-President Harris had a brilliant evening. And that TFG… did not.

A Tbogg unit has been surmounted, there’s lots of social media to dredge for treasure, but it’s been a busy evening and I’ve still got the weekly Covid / H5N1 recap to work on.

So… Talk amongst yourselves, and I’ll see y’all in a few hours!

From the Guardian liveblog:

Gabrielle Canon
Tuesday night’s debate between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris could have been a mess of layered talking, unchallenged claims, or wild veers off-topic.

Instead, ABC’s moderators, David Muir and Linsey Davis, kept the candidates on point.

Muir and Davis took on the first matchup between the two virtually tied presidential candidates, seeking to “enforce timing agreements and ensure a civilized discussion,” according debate rules from ABC that took weeks to negotiate, and it was no easy task.

The two effectively rerouted discussions back to the questions they asked, on key topics including the economy, immigration, abortion rights, and the peaceful transfer of power, and made important clarifying fact-check statements when they were warranted.

When Trump made the outlandish claim that Democrats supported “the execution” of babies after they were born and accused Tim Walz, Harris’s vice-presidential pick, of supporting abortions in the ninth month, Davis laid out the facts: “There is no state in this country where it is legal to kill a baby after it is born,” Davis told viewers.

Muir also pushed Trump on his connection to the 6 January attack on the capitol, and his belief that he won the election, despite all evidence to the contrary.

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