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War for Ukraine Day 615: A Brief Tuesday Night Update

by Adam L Silverman|  October 31, 20238:37 pm| 42 Comments

This post is in: Foreign Affairs, Foreign Policy, Military, Open Threads, Russia, Silverman on Security, War, War in Ukraine

Graphic by NEIVANMADE of a Russian bomb with a "Z" symbol on it crashing through the roof of the Ukrainian Postal Service delivery hub. "Everyone Is a Target" and "Stop Russia" are written in the space between the destroyed roof and the fins of the bomb.

(Image by NEIVANMADE)

Here is President Zelenskyy’s address from earlier today. Video below, English transcript after the jump.

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Ukraine’s success in the battle for the Black Sea is what will be in history textbooks – President Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s address

31 October 2023 – 22:24

I wish you good health, dear Ukrainians!

Today, there have been several important events.

Firstly, a meeting of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief’s Staff. Today is the International Black Sea Action Day, a special day dedicated to our region and our shared waters with our partners. At the Staff meeting, the first issue discussed was the operation of our export corridors, the defense of southern Ukraine – our cities, our ports – against Russian attacks. All of this matters not only to our state, not only to Ukraine’s security but much more broadly. During the full-scale war, we proved that when Ukraine, together with its partners, restores security to the Black Sea, the world gains dividends of greater security for other regions. This ranges from food security to social security because the stability of the food market influences the political stability of many countries in the complicated African and Asian regions. It is very important that due to Ukrainian courage, we practically push the Russian fleet out of the eastern part of the Black Sea – Russia cannot use our sea to extend its aggression to other parts of the world, as it did with Syria. When Russia caused a humanitarian catastrophe in Syria, using the Black Sea as its base, and later our Crimea as a staging ground for Russian military operations. Now, the situation has changed. Fundamentally changed. And when we add even more security to the Black Sea, Russia will lose any opportunity to dominate this area and spread its influence and destructiveness to other countries. The more protection we have along our coastline and in our sea, the more protection there is in the world.

Today, at the Staff meeting, reports were presented by the commander of the Navy, the Defense Intelligence Chief, and the Chief of the Security Service of Ukraine regarding our actions in the south and at sea. The Commander-in-Chief and the commanders of the directions also reported. I am grateful to all our people involved in this work for making Ukraine stronger in the respective directions. Of course, we analyzed the events on the frontlines – in all key points. Avdiyivka, Maryinka, Kupiansk, Lyman sector, the south – guys, thank you for today! There were reports from the Minister of Defense and the Minister for Strategic Industries on ammunition and equipment at the Staff meeting – we are increasing our production and preparing new defense packages from our partners.

Today, I held a special ceremony to award state honors to our soldiers who strengthen Ukrainian power in the battle at sea. The servicemen of the Navy and border guards who defend our waters. Soldiers of the Defense Intelligence and the Security Service. Engineers who create our new weapons – our naval drones – and ensure their functioning. These are all guys who cannot be shown in public, and their names cannot be tied to specific events. For now, as long as the war continues. But they truly deserve the gratitude of the state and the people. I thanked them on behalf of all Ukrainians.

I held a preparatory meeting regarding our work with the European Union. One of Ukraine’s key political goals by the end of this year is our readiness to begin negotiations on EU membership. All levels of the state must be prepared for this, and they will be. We expect a similar readiness from European institutions – we clearly understand the priorities, and we are preparing our steps accordingly.

I also spoke with Prime Minister of Bulgaria Denkov about everything that is relevant to this day, this time for Ukraine. I’m thankful to Bulgaria for their support of our European Union integration and for our highly productive partnership, especially in the Black Sea – in trade and security. It’s important that the agreements we reached during my visit to Bulgaria are fully implemented. We also discussed our additional security options.

The modern world quickly gets accustomed to success. When full-scale aggression began, many around the world expected Ukraine to not withstand. Now, the incredible things our people, our soldiers, are doing are perceived as a given. Ukraine’s success in the battle for the Black Sea is what will be in history textbooks, though it’s not discussed as often now. But… Whatever may be, we must do our part – protect our country, Ukrainian independence, our lives, our culture, Ukrainian freedom. And we will protect it!

I thank everyone in the world who is helping Ukraine. Glory to every one of our soldiers! Glory to all those who never retreat, never burn out, who believe in Ukraine just as they did on February 24, and who continue to fight for Ukraine, those who care for Ukraine. Adding strength to our state every day – that’s what’s needed.

Glory to Ukraine!

The cost:

https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1719306550345453738

Avdiivka:

https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1719414049450934323

There’s 22 tweets in Dima’s thread and no Thread Reader app unroll for it. So I’m going to include a few of the tweets, but not all of them. ETA at 10:15 PM EDT: Bill Arnold in comments found a Thread Reader App unroll for Dima’s thread. So here’s everything including the first tweet that Special Kherson Cat quote tweeted above:

Avdiivka 🧵 part III

My name is Dima and today I have a birthday. I’m 27 and this is my second year in the army fighting against Russian invasion.

A have a lot of thoughts as to that, positive and negative.

But let’s talk about Russian losses and their attempts to attack👇

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Apart from attacks from the NORTH RUAF are trying to advance from the SOUTH. From Vodiane to Severne village.

By the way, these photos from first message were taken in Severne this winter. 

They started attacking here from the 10th of October till know. Now I may say that this October is the bloodiest month for the Russian regular army.

2 tanks, 2 MTLB

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Another one tank, 3 MTLB, 1 APC and 1 IMV from the 10th of October

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Two more tanks from that date. And a couple of BMPs which were published officially before

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These losses from the 10 till 17 of October: 4 BMP, 1 MTLB

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2 BMPs, 2 MTLB?

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Tank + BMP + MTLB 👇

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That tank from above, documented tank, MTLB from above and one more MTLB

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Tank, BMP and MTLB?

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It was a T-72 tank

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30.10.23 2 tanks, BREM and BMP-2👇

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Oops

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Well. That BMP was alive but then was destroyed 👆

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Bid push. 30.10.23

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What’s going on?

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1-2 new BMPs and older losses

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How it’s going?

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Folks, if you want to give me a present or support our unit (that’s the biggest present) you may me a coffe👇

We are working at another important direction and need your support:

buymeacoffee.com/osint4uaa
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And that’s all of it!

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1719331765536379377

Donetsk:

https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1719410355426799992

https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1719392704340082841

https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1719454842492539377

Kupyansk:

https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1719448975516770631

Bakhmut from August:

https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1719429829257232832

Volonovakha:

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1719277852334387214

Hroza:

https://twitter.com/maria_avdv/status/1719404893696360722

Here’s the video of the Hroza survivor’s and their stories from UkrinformTV:

Not quite sure where the 71st is operating:

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1719411411242139745

It’s not clear where exactly these Russian forces from Chuvash were when they got hit by a strike from a HIMARS battery.

https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1719326674913739139

Also, obligatory:

Dagestan:

https://twitter.com/anders_aslund/status/1719175047544246597

https://twitter.com/anders_aslund/status/1719176151711539511

The Financial Times has more details on the pogrom at the airport.

Vladimir Putin vowed to “de-Nazify” Ukraine when his troops invaded last year. Now Russia’s president is under pressure to respond to the worst antisemitic violence to sweep his country in more than a century.

The violent scenes across the North Caucasus last weekend, when an angry mob stormed an airport in Dagestan in search of Israeli passengers, were reminiscent of tsarist-era persecution of Jews. They also indicate the dangers for Russia of stoking antisemitic sentiment amid its full-scale invasion of Ukraine and repercussions from the Israel-Hamas war.

“When we read about the pogroms in Chișinău and Odesa” — where hundreds of Jews were killed in the 19th and early 20th centuries — “that’s what it looked like”, said Pinchas Goldschmidt, Moscow’s former chief rabbi, who left the country last year after Putin’s invasion of Ukraine.

Crowds also over-ran a hotel in Dagestan on Saturday night, searching for Israelis, according to local media coverage. Kommersant reported that a Jewish centre under construction in Nalchik, the capital of the nearby Russian republic of Kabardino-Balkaria, was also set on fire.

The Kremlin has blamed the events in Dagestan on “external interference” by Ukraine and the west, which Putin accused of seeking to split Russian society ahead of a major holiday.

Putin used a Monday-night emergency meeting on the riots to point the finger at Kyiv and the governments that support it for inspiring the unrest. He claimed that western security services used social media to provoke the violence. “Psychological and informational attacks” were intended to “destabilise” Russia, he said.

Putin also escalated his criticism of Israel’s military actions in Gaza. “The terrifying events happening right now in Gaza, where hundreds of thousands of totally innocent people are being killed without differentiation, unable to flee, cannot be justified in any way,” he said.

“Unfortunately, we see that instead of punishment of the criminals and terrorists,” Putin said, referring to Hamas militants who attacked Israel on October 7, “revenge is being taken on the principle of collective responsibility.” More than 1,400 people were killed in the attacks according to Israeli authorities.

But the causes of the riots lie closer to home, analysts say. In majority-Muslim Dagestan, where the worst violence played out over the weekend, long-simmering social resentment mixed with public outrage over Israel’s bombing of Gaza to create a toxic brew authorities could no longer control.

“You see that state propaganda is going against Jews and Israelis, you see there is injustice going on, that it’s inflicted on you . . . so you retaliate against a softer target,” said Emil Aslan, a Caucasus specialist and security studies professor at Charles University in Prague.

Russia’s foreign ministry hosted a prominent Hamas delegation last week, while Putin during a meeting with religious leaders pointedly failed to condemn the Palestinian militant group’s October 7 attacks.

“This might have given a signal to interested parties that ‘hunting season’ has started,” Rabbi Goldschmidt said.

The resentment in Dagestan grew as Russia stoked antisemitic sentiment to fuel hatred of Ukraine, according to Arkady Mil-Man, a former Israeli ambassador to Moscow.

Putin has likened the invasion to the Soviet Union’s fight against Nazi Germany in the second world war and claimed that Ukraine is under the grip of a Nazi regime hell-bent on destroying Russia — even though its president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, is Jewish.

That contradiction has forced Putin and other senior Russian officials into having to resort to rhetorical twists.

Putin apologised to Israel last year after his foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, falsely claimed “Hitler also had Jewish blood” and, to justify calling Zelenskyy a Nazi, said that “the most ardent antisemites are usually Jews”.

Last month, Russia’s president appeared to deflect blame from the Nazi forces who ordered the capture and extermination of the Jewish population in Ukraine. “He is rewriting the narrative of the Holocaust,” Mil-Man said.

Critics say Putin’s comments have given rise to a wave of virulent coverage of the Israel-Hamas conflict on state television that has helped fuel even more lurid posts on social media in Dagestan.

In the first days after the Hamas attacks, false rumours began to spread on Russian social media that refugees from Israel were planning to settle in the North Caucasus, according to Alexandra Arkhipova, a sociologist who studies conspiracy theories.

“In Dagestan [and] the North Caucasus in general, it’s very easy to go from a conspiracy story to doing something in real life,” Arkhipova said. During the Covid-19 pandemic, protesters in the region tried to burn down 5G towers, egged on by false rumours that they spread the disease.

When Russia mobilised its reserves last year, Dagestanis protested more than in any other region — showing that “grassroots mobilisation is very strong. And people are willing to be galvanised by it.”

The Russian state’s normalisation and justification of violence during the war in Ukraine, meanwhile, may have encouraged the protesters to take matters into their own hands, she added.

“Evil can’t be put back into Pandora’s box, never to be seen again,” Arkhipova said. “Going forward, this situation becomes uncontrollable, because all sorts of groups feel that if others are violent, they can use that violence too.”

More at the link!

The Eastern District of New York:

https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1719472239467225532

Brooklyn Resident and Two Russian-Canadian Nationals, Nikolay Goltsev, Salimdzhon Nasriddinov and Kristina Puzyreva, Charged with Massive Sanctions Evasion and Export Control Scheme

“These defendants are alleged to have illegally exported millions of dollars in electronics to support the Kremlin in its ongoing attacks of Ukraine. Over the course of a year, this criminal organization evaded U.S. sanctions and laws, managing to dispatch over 300 shipments of restricted items, valued at approximately $10 million USD, to the Russian battlefield. This unlawful activity would have persisted if not for the law enforcement collaborative efforts that led to today’s charges,”
https://justice.gov/usao-edny/pr/brooklyn-resident-and-two-russian-canadian-nationals-charged-massive-sanctions-evasion

There were some questions the other night about Russia’s current missile capacity and capability. Here’s a thread with some additional answers:

https://twitter.com/Volodymyr_D_/status/1719305512884273230

https://twitter.com/Volodymyr_D_/status/1719305517921620427

https://twitter.com/Volodymyr_D_/status/1719305521650364534

https://twitter.com/Volodymyr_D_/status/1719305525635035571

Tatarigami has produced an assessment on how much material Russia has received from the DPRK:

https://twitter.com/Tatarigami_UA/status/1719379856427761688

https://twitter.com/Tatarigami_UA/status/1719379861708378292

https://twitter.com/Tatarigami_UA/status/1719379866812924334

https://twitter.com/Tatarigami_UA/status/1719379871275659755

https://twitter.com/Tatarigami_UA/status/1719379875901927674

For you naval drone enthusiasts:

https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1719279262178464255

The Insider has done a deep dive into a Russian disinformation campaign:

A flood of spam content has recently emerged on the social network X (previously known as Twitter), promoting the idea that Ukrainians should call for a ceasefire with Russia. The large-scale attack began on October 25th and saw tweets being sent out at a rapid rate of 2.5 tweets per minute, as reported by the analytical project Bot Blocker / antibot4navalny, which analysed the publications. The spam materials are being shared on fake websites that look like well-known news outlets — not only in Ukraine but also in Western countries. Simultaneously, “For Demobilization” protests were suddenly held in various Ukrainian cities, with women holding identical placards demaning to send Ukrainian soldiers home. Analytical data relating to the posts was made available to The Insider.

Columns on strange website

Some of the posts contain links to various pseudo-news and analysis articles. Analysts have pointed out that these posts are shared on websites that are deceptive imitations of well-known Ukrainian news sources. These articles consistently claim that Ukraine’s defeat in the war is imminent, suggesting that Western military and financial aid intended for Ukraine will be redirected to Israel, leaving Ukrainians without essential services such as heating, pensions, and salaries during the winter. Furthermore, they allege that in the absence of military equipment, the authorities in Kyiv are sending thousands of soldiers to the slaughter solely to maintain their grip on power.

The themes in these articles read as follows:

There is no need to hold Avdiivka, as Russia is pulling in reinforcements; Ukraine has been forced to go on the defensive and is suffering huge losses. There will be less Western aid as a lot of resources have been pulled away by Israel. Avdiivka may become another Bakhmut and Soledar: first huge human losses, then the loss of the stronghold itself. Here’s an example of one of these articles.
Ukraine no longer interests the West, Israel is more important — it will get weapons that were meant for Ukraine. Ukraine’s allies will induce Kyiv to negotiate with Moscow. Here’s an example of one of these articles.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky profits from military aid and war funding. The allocation of funds for the war . In order not to lose the financial inflows from the West, Zelensky will create the appearance of successful battles. Here’s an example
It’s not just Ukrainian sources that are being counterfeited. Pseudo-analytical columns predicting Ukraine’s apparent defeat are also being disseminated on counterfeit versions of well-known Western publications — including fake sites resembling Der Spiegel, Die Welt, Fox News, Le Parisien, Walla, and others. The links shared in the tweets direct users to these fake websites, which further redirect to the clone pages. Western audiences are being presented with a similar narrative: waning interest in the Russia-Ukraine conflict, a shift of attention towards Israel, and a belief that the Biden administration will no longer provide Kyiv with financial and military assistance.

This represents a large-scale spam campaign featuring pro-Kremlin content aimed at both Ukrainian and Western audiences. Several dozen articles have been distributed in English, French, German, and Hebrew.

The same accounts responsible for sharing these fake articles also promote direct Kremlin propaganda, including a video from the website ukraine inc portraying Vladimir Zelensky as a “drug addict.”

Two brothers
Bots have circulated a video about “two brothers” who were “separated due to the Ukraine coup / political crisis.” The video was initially posted on social platform X on October 25th, accompanied by links to the Russian social network VK and, in some cases, to Vimeo. The tweets were uniform in their messaging, claiming that “YouTube had removed the video, concealing the truth from us, and this is an essential story that we have the right to know.” Each account’s entire tweet history was essentially a string of these links featuring the same video clip. These tweets appeared without any discernible pattern, appearing as responses to various posts and comments, not exclusively in Russian.

According to the narrative, two brothers found themselves at war in Ukraine because of “political events.” Eventually, they encountered each other during an assault, fighting on opposing sides. Then one died near Horlivka, leading civilians out from under fire, and the second, who had gone to Kyiv before the war, was killed by shelling. The story is conveyed by a character identified as the “mother,” portrayed by Russian actress Olga Toroshchina, with one of the “brothers” played by Russian actor Roman Volynsky. The video only briefly alludes to the “political events,” including a clip of Russian President Boris Yeltsin’s speech at the 16th second, in which he commits to “leading Russia to better times.” This statement comes from Yeltsin’s speech after being elected chairman of the Supreme Soviet of the RSFSR on May 29, 1990.

As the project’s analysts explained to The Insider, the rapid and high-volume publication of these tweets suggests an automated process at work.

“Unlike traditional ‘salary trolls’ that we’ve been studying for over a year, this spam attack is purely based on automated publishing. That means it’s very cheap to multiply it by 10, 100, or 1,000 times. The current volume of the spam per minute is roughly comparable to what the ‘troll factory’ usually produces on Twitter. But live trolls at keyboards are expensive and difficult to scale, while automated spam is relatively straight foward.”

Fostering anxiety

These identical accounts are not limited to spreading anti-Ukrainian sentiments; many have also posted a photograph depicting a building wall adorned with the Stars of David. These accounts frequently post this image in the comments section of various posts. Across different languages, the descriptions of the photo are the same. Some common quotes include expressions like, “Sad to see the conflict has extended this far,” and “A sad reality of how global conflicts can impact ordinary lives.”

According to analysts at the Bot Blocker / antibot4navalny project, in this way is pumping up anxiety and shifting attention to the Arab-Israeli conflict from Ukraine.

“Our interpretation is that this is anxiety-inducing for Europeans: ‘Don’t think that the conflict in the Middle East is somewhere far away and won’t affect you. Jewish pogroms are already knocking on the door of your neighbor’s house. Are you ready for the next one to be yours?’ This is presented as ‘we are all in favour of a peaceful settlement and ceasefire; we don’t want pogroms at all’ — but the reference to pogroms here is precisely a means of intimidation. It’s like Russia Today during the coronavirus pandemic: we tell Western audiences how many side effects there are from vaccinations, how badly the authorities are handling the crisis, and tell Russian audiences how important it is to get vaccinated, how perfectly tested the vaccines are, how the Ministry of Health is clearly in control of everything. This is what’s happening here: we scare the West with war, while what happens at home is the concern of the office next to us [in reference to the Russian government — translator’s note].”

The Kremlin is behind the attacks

Hackers from Russia’s military intelligence agency, the GRU, have been planting disinformation and carrying out phishing attacks through fake international media websites for many years, and these attacks have only intensified after the full-scale invasion of Ukraine. The Insider previously wrote about this work of the agency in its investigation Attack of the clones: GRU begins large-scale cyberattack on Ukraine.

The project’s analysts also note that, to all appearances, the pro-Russian fake columns and the video about the “brothers” were commissioned by the Russian authorities. Several signs point to this:

The notes have Ukrainian-language and Russian-language versions. The links lead to Ukrainian-language sites, but the titles of the articles in the links are in Russian, as if the editorial staff’s main language is Russian.

There is no reason for real Ukrainian speakers and journalists to post articles on third-party websites.

The accounts are mostly subscribed to major Kazakhstani media / authorities. That indicates that they were created by a Kazakhstani contractor or from under a VPN with access to a server in Kazakhstan.

The profiles sharing the video featuring the “brothers” and related posts tend to have minimal or empty subscription lists. In most cases, they include just one or two large Kazakhstani accounts. Typically, there are a total of three accounts in their subscriptions, with the third one being Elon Musk. X (formerly Twitter) routinely prompts new users to follow Musk immediately upon registration. These accounts were established on the social network between September and October 2023.

Narratives in the articles:

  • Western weapons from Ukraine end up in third countries.
  • Zelensky is profiting from the war.
  • Military aid from the West will be redirected to Israel, and Ukraine will practically stop receiving it.
  • Narratives in a video about the “brothers” originally posted on VK:
  • The collapse of the USSR is the greatest catastrophe.
  • The cause of the war is the illegal change of power in Ukraine.
  • Propaganda narratives in videos on ukraine.inc:
  • Volodymyr Zelensky is a drug addict and alcoholic.
  • People are sent to the front with any degree of disability.

Much, much more at the link!

That’s enough for tonight.

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And a happy birthday to whomever this is:

https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1719451676816617621

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Remember When

by John Cole|  October 31, 20238:31 pm| 49 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads

Remember during the Obama years there were long periods of like nothing going on? It just feels like it has been non stop daily catastrophe’s since 2015 or so. Every night.

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Happy Halloween! (Open Thread)

by WaterGirl|  October 31, 20236:41 pm| 76 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads

So it’s Halloween!

Some pumpkins, courtesy of Dexwood, who obviously has more carving skill and patience than I do!

I’m kind of partial to the happy guy in the third photo.  How about you?


 

Open thread.

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This Makes Me Happy!

by WaterGirl|  October 31, 20234:34 pm| 74 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Supreme Court, Supreme Court Corruption

None of this would have been possible with WITHOUT (!) the leadership of Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse.

Or without the most excellent and relentless investigative reporting by ProPublica!

The fourth estate at work. Even if it’s not happening in the mainstream media, it is happening.  Hallelujah!

The relentless work of members of the @JudiciaryDems Courts Subcommittee paved the way to hold the powerful accountable.

Last night, @SenatorDurbin and I announced that the full Committee will soon vote to authorize subpoenas for Harlan Crow, Leonard Leo, and Robin Arkley II.

— Sheldon Whitehouse (@SenWhitehouse) October 31, 2023

⭐️

The creepy billionaires paying for ‘Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous’ for certain Supreme Court justices are not happy about our move toward subpoenas. Their wild and overheated responses signal that there’s a lot to discover!!

— Sheldon Whitehouse (@SenWhitehouse) October 31, 2023

⭐️

Another small victory as the Judicial Conference seems likely to take up transparency rules to address the flotillas of front-group “amici” at SCOTUS. I sent this letter to give them a heads-up about perils to watch out for from the dark-money funders.https://t.co/CyDIYApqef

— Sheldon Whitehouse (@SenWhitehouse) October 30, 2023

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Open thread!

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Guest Post: Jeffro at “Democracy360”

by WaterGirl|  October 31, 20233:05 pm| 38 Comments

This post is in: Guest Posts, Open Threads, Political Action, Politics

Commenter Jeffro recently attended Democracy360.  He mentioned it a time or two in the comments and I asked if he would be up for doing a guest post.  The write-up from the conference is kind of long, so I am starting with an excerpt here, and you can find the whole write-up below the fold.

Also, here is the .pdf version of the write-up: Jeffro Democracy 360 and book review

Jeffro will be available if anyone has any questions.

Jeffro Excerpt

However, I was able to attend three in-person presentations, and the two best were Judy Woodruff’s panel on covering the White House, and Adam Kinzinger’s discussion with Jeffrey Goldberg.

Woodruff’s panel consisted of current/former White House correspondents Laura Barron’ Lopez from PBS NewsHour, Mike Emanuel from Fox News, and Elaina Plott Calabro from The Atlantic. Peter Baker from the NY Times was supposed to have been there, but he ended up canceling. Woodruff opened by thanking the crowd for such a warm welcome, “…the warmest I’ve received since my early days covering in the McKinley Administration.” Ha!

The three correspondents were all clearly excited to be a part of the proceedings, and Woodruff kept things flowing along nicely. So nicely that amongst the anecdotes about the ins and outs of covering the White House and the many irritations of dealing with social media, it would have been easy to miss two key exchanges.

The first was when Woodruff shifted the conversation towards covering the 2024 candidates for president. Barron’ Lopez took a pretty assertive stance that the media needed to quit presenting ‘both sides’ and calling it ‘being objective’. (Be still my heart!) She went off at some length about what being objective really means – ie, reporting what people are actually saying and doing, reporting on what the likely impacts of their policies and proposals would be – as opposed to ‘horse race journalism’ (swoon!) She actually said (without attributing it to NYU professor Jay Rosen, unfortunately) “tell readers the stakes, not the odds” (triple swoon!!!)

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Full report from Jeffro

I have to say…I love living in college towns!  For the past 15 years or so, Mrs. Fro and I have lived and worked in college towns, and in addition to all of the live music venues and abundant, varied eateries, you also get great guest speakers and conferences occurring all year ‘round.

A little over a week ago, I spent a couple of days bopping in and out of democracy-related panel sessions and speakers at the UVA Karsh Institute of Democracy’s inaugural “Democracy360”.  (Note: Karsh is what you get when you don’t tax rich people enough BUT a couple of them manage to do the right thing with their extra bucks anyway.  Hey, it beats having them fund the next Antonin Scalia School of Law, right?) Democracy360 brought politicians, journalists, policymakers, scholars, and activists to the students, staff, and faculty of UVA “to imagine how we can collectively shape a thriving democratic future”.  It was put on in collaboration with The Atlantic and several of the centers and schools at the University of Virginia.

A couple of the virtual sessions were slow (who wants to watch a dozen old hands gabbing around a table?) and most were variations on the theme, “Trump was horrible” but the official theme of those sessions was, “how can we promote a more effective and responsible presidency?”  For the 50% of commentators who bothered to actually answer the question, their responses seemed to fall into one of three areas: 1) formalize the informal ‘guardrails and norms’ that we used to take for granted, 2) strengthen Congress in any number of ways in the hopes that it’ll push back against future presidents’ overreach, and 3) “ya got me – I think we’re screwed.”  Oddly enough, there was only one person who I recall saying, “howzabout we make a historic example out of trump?!” and that was me, yelling at my computer screen.  Alas.

However, a few of the in-person sessions were really engaging.  They were also revealing in many ways.  You can take a look at the whole schedule for the week here.

I wish I’d been able to attend the presentation about climate change causing an increasing number of refugees (and thus, impacting democracies) around the world – it is a huge issue that we small-d democrats will be dealing with for the next couple of decades at a minimum.  I also, unfortunately, missed Danielle Allen’s sessions: one on connecting K-12 & post-secondary education civics and a second one on renewing American democracy.  Allen’s recent columns in the Washington Post have been excellent, helping readers find the right balance of time and resources to allocate across what she calls a “portfolio of democracy protection, democracy renovation, and partisan electoral work.”  In addition to being a professor at Harvard, Ms. Allen is also on the national advisory council of an organization called More Perfect – a partnership between all 14 of the nation’s presidential centers, the American Academy of Arts and Sciences, the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, and Karsh.  You can also find out more about More Perfect here (and hey while I’m at it, you can find the AAAS’ excellent report on ways to strengthen democracy, Our Common Purpose, here).

However, I was able to attend three in-person presentations, and the two best were Judy Woodruff’s panel on covering the White House, and Adam Kinzinger’s discussion with Jeffrey Goldberg.

Woodruff’s panel consisted of current/former White House correspondents Laura Barron’ Lopez from PBS NewsHour, Mike Emanuel from Fox News, and Elaina Plott Calabro from The Atlantic.  Peter Baker from the NY Times was supposed to have been there, but he ended up canceling.  Woodruff opened by thanking the crowd for such a warm welcome, “…the warmest I’ve received since my early days covering in the McKinley Administration.”  Ha!

The three correspondents were all clearly excited to be a part of the proceedings, and Woodruff kept things flowing along nicely.  So nicely that amongst the anecdotes about the ins and outs of covering the White House and the many irritations of dealing with social media, it would have been easy to miss two key exchanges.

The first was when Woodruff shifted the conversation towards covering the 2024 candidates for president.  Barron’ Lopez took a pretty assertive stance that the media needed to quit presenting ‘both sides’ and calling it ‘being objective’.  (Be still my heart!)  She went off at some length about what being objective really means – ie, reporting what people are actually saying and doing, reporting on what the likely impacts of their policies and proposals would be – as opposed to ‘horse race journalism’ (swoon!)  She actually said (without attributing it to NYU professor Jay Rosen, unfortunately) “tell readers the stakes, not the odds” (triple swoon!!!)

And when the applause for that all-too-rare commentary died down, not 15 seconds later, the first words out of Emanuel’s mouth were, “Well, first off, I don’t think it’ll actually be Biden vs Trump in 2024.  Call me crazy, but we just saw a couple of folks dropping out of the race last month, and you can kind of see Nikki Haley catching fire a bit, and she’s from South Carolina, and…South Carolina’s kind of where Biden turned things around back in 2020, and…so…watch early next year but I don’t really think it will be Biden vs Trump.”

(For what it’s worth, I’ve heard the same nonsense from my RWNJ dad a couple of times over the past year.  It’s sheer wishcasting to help them avoid any responsibility for enabling Trump, of course.  And it’s the opposite of reporting the stakes, of course).

Anyway, the second key exchange was near the end of the discussion, when both Barron’ Lopez and Plott Calabro were talking about moving to a new phase of their careers (they’ve both recently moved up in the world).  In addition to somewhat saner schedules and deadlines, I think it was Barron’ Lopez who said it first: she didn’t feel like she had to do “access journalism” anymore(!)  I thought Woodruff was going to let it slide, but she asked her to explain to the crowd what access journalism was.  Barron’ Lopez explained (summarizing here) that early in your career, while you don’t want to report falsehoods or rely on untrustworthy sources, you accept and regurgitate a little more ‘spin’ from your sources early on, so that you can build those networks of sources and contacts.  It’s just how it works, it’s all part of the game, you see.

And on one level, I get that.  Not too many entry-level workers in any field have the power to resist how a boss, customer, co-worker, or competitor chooses to operate.  We all navigate these systems and other players as best we can.  I guess it’s heartening that Barron’ Lopez and Plott Calabro, at relatively young ages, are consciously shifting their approaches and flexing a bit, in their own way.  (And talking publicly about it, too!)  Emanuel, of course, was like, “what?”  LOL.  Woodruff thanked the audience, and we all shuffled out into the warm Charlottesville evening.

The other session that I really enjoyed was The Atlantic editor Jeffrey Goldberg’s hour-long discussion with former Illinois Representative Adam Kinzinger, who has a new book coming out on October 31st.  (Members of the audience got a free advance copy of the book, btw – political nerd swag for the win! ;)

Goldberg opened things by telling the audience about the time he, as a reporter, covered a GOP trade junket to the Far East and one of the Reps on the trip was Kinzinger.  Unfortunately for Kinzinger, that rapscallion John McCain was heading the delegation, and McCain was having a ball “introducing” the other GOP reps by making shit up about them.  So, as the various trade ministers are filing in to meet the GOP officials, McCain introduces Kinzinger to them as…“Henry Kissinger’s bastard son”(!).  Apparently this caused several of them to get angry with their staffers (“How come you didn’t tell me we were going to meet Henry Kissinger’s bastard son?  You idiot!”) until McCain intervened and explained he was kidding.  So mavericky (eyeroll) but it was kinda funny.

Once the laughter died down, Goldberg immediately asked Kinzinger, “so…what happened?”  And by this, he meant both with Graham, with the GOP, and with Kinzinger himself.

Kinzinger said that with Graham, that was easy: “the guy obviously needs a strong father figure-type in his life, and that was McCain, and then with McCain gone, Lindsey was easily co-opted by Trump.”  Trump, Kinzinger explained, is actually quite fun to be around.  “He’s like a crazy uncle who makes you laugh, at first.  And he sees you.  You feel recognized.”

Kinzinger then went on to tell a story about how, post-2016-election, he and some other Reps were invited to the White House.  Kinzinger had drawn some of Trump’s fire before the election by refusing to endorse Trump, so he expected to get chewed out.  But once they were all in the Oval Office, the first thing Trump said to him was, “You…you look good on TV”.  And then he proceeded to give Kinzinger about 2/3 of the attention during the meeting(!)  Fortunately, Adam wasn’t fooled.

Related to this, and talking almost psychologically about the party in general, Kinzinger said that “you have to understand: these people have been whipped up with fear for years if not longer.  [The GOP] did that, and I own my part of that.  And when you’re been told that some other group is on the rise, that you’re losing power, you fight that loss of identity – you fear it more than death.”  The audience sat in complete silence, taking this in.

Kinzinger moved on, noting that for the GOP in general and the GOP elected officials who could have reined Trump in or refused to go along with his insanity, he tied the “you feel recognized” + “they’re ramped up with fear” together and said that those feelings work together and make it easy for someone to excuse the lesser (but still offensive) things Trump does/says…and the next ones…and the next ones.  And then you’re faced with a very human choice: If I’ve gone this far with this guy but I break with him now, am I stupid?  Am I corrupt?  It’s far easier to just keep going unless you have the strength of character to draw red lines and keep them.

And speaking of ‘red lines’, he is 190% mad – and correctly so – at Kevin McCarthy for re-empowering Trump by going down to Mar-a-Lago and making nice with him.  Kinzinger said that post-J6, much of the House GOP was almost ready to move on from Trump and was looking for direction on how to do that.  Kinzinger started thinking about how to reform the party; McCarthy flew to Florida and got his picture taken; and the rest is history.  Adam, he big mad still.

The hour of discussion moved along quickly but I want to be sure to mention two things of his responses from the audience Q&A at the end.

Kinzinger was asked if the left and right media are essentially the same, and he quickly and clearly said ‘no, not at all’.  He said that while sometimes the left-leaning media rushes to judgement, they are usually sticking to the facts and should keep doing so.  (He, like the Woodruff panel, is not a fan of ‘both sides’ journalism).  In his view, the entirety of the right-leaning media is there to stoke fear and keep GOP voters at a fever pitch, and that’s been a large part of the problem in our politics today.  (Note: he also made a point to say that some of the worst rage-a-holics on the right were the rich ones, which was interesting!)

The other question that was noteworthy was when he was asked about his advice to Democrats going forward.  Kinzinger said, “don’t give in to the temptation to abandon democracy in order to fight the GOP.  Election deniers are losing.  Hardcore trumpies are losing.  Stick to the system, reform the system, but don’t adopt any of the GOP’s methods in order to whip up your voters and/or to win.”

(I thought we were already doing a pretty good job of that, but ok Adam – got it!)

And as a PS: he said he voted straight Dem in 2022 and will do it again in 2024.  “There are only two parties right now: the party that’s for democracy, and the party that’s against it” – Adam Kinzinger.

So there you have it, Juicers: a few pearls of real insight (some intentional, some unintentional!) from the in-person presentations, plus lots of things to follow up on (reading about More Perfect, signing up for updates from the Karsh Institute, etc) and a free book to boot!  

I live and breathe all things politics, but seminars like those offered at Democracy360 make me want to shift how I invest that time and move towards a more action-oriented interest in steps I can take on a regular basis for democracy protection and renovation.  I hope you’ll take a look at your time and approach as well.  And for those of you in or near a college town, keep an eye out for these types of conferences and consider joining in however you can!

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It Really Is That Simple

by WaterGirl|  October 31, 202312:59 pm| 205 Comments

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It’s down to one issue on the ballot.  It’s not taxes, it’s not abortion.  The one issue is:  do you believe in democracy, or do you believe in authoritarianism?  That’s what we should be voting on.

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It’s really this simple. One issue.

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— Jack E. Smith ⚖️ (@7Veritas4) October 31, 2023

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TOTALLY OPEN THREAD.

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Late Night Open Thread: Elon Musk, Plate-Spinner

by Anne Laurie|  October 31, 20232:51 am| 45 Comments

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Even that seems wildly overvalued. https://t.co/FRZq58R4tT

— Clean Observer (@Hammbear2024) October 30, 2023

I assume this is happening now because the IRS, or the banks which are his creditors — or both — are pressing Musk a littler harder than he can handle? Per the NYTimes:

X, the company formerly known as Twitter, handed out stock grants to employees on Monday that showed it was worth about $19 billion, down about 55 percent from the $44 billion that Elon Musk paid to buy the firm a year ago, according to internal documents seen by The New York Times.

Mr. Musk paid $54.20 a share to buy Twitter just over a year ago. The tech billionaire has since said he overpaid for the social network. In March, he wrote in an email to workers that he believed the company was worth $20 billion, calling it “an inverse start-up.”

In the paperwork for the new stock grants, X said the equity would be offered at $45 a share in the form of restricted stock units, which employees can earn over time. Employees will still be paid in cash in the amount of $54.20 for any outstanding shares that were granted to them under previous management, the company said.

It’s unclear why the share price has not dropped by the same percentage as the company’s valuation, though X could have altered the amount of shares outstanding. Fortune earlier reported on the valuation…

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I cannot imagine Elon knows anything about dating, and he spent $44B on this site so I don't think he should be holding anyone's money either. https://t.co/FQdlh1ROA9

— Linette Lopez (@lopezlinette) October 30, 2023

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… A company-wide meeting on Thursday, the year anniversary of when Musk took over Twitter, hosted by Musk and his CEO of a few months Linda Yaccarino, was mostly an ad nauseam going over the various product changes to the platform, according to two people present for the video call. These individuals requested anonymity as they were not authorized to speak to the press. Their identities are known to Insider. Both described the call overall as “scripted,” but it wasn’t without off-kilter comments.

During the call, Musk attempted to take a tone of excitement for what X will look like over the next year, the people present said. X will in 2024 be a “fully fledged” dating site, he insisted, as well as a digital bank. These details have not been previously reported, although other elements of the call were reported by The Verge as was the email that went out to staff right before the call by Fortune.

Musk did not get into details of how exactly X would become a dating app, if there was any user demand for such features, or what further product changes would be made to turn it into one, one of the people present said. However, the idea is in line with Musk’s push for features that require payment, as most dating apps today are some form of subscription service…

Getting more users to give X payment and banking information ties in with Musk’s long-held desire for X to offer full payment and banking services to users, part of his ambitions to create an “everything app” like WeChat, one of the people present said. “He wants people to pay for everything,” the person noted. Musk said during the meeting he expects X to be capable of functioning as a bank by next year, the person added, whether or not users want it to be.

“It doesn’t seem to be what users really want,” the person said…

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Ed Zitron, at his (unpaywalled) Substack, on the plate-spinning “Junk Bond Trader”:

Elon Musk is not an inventor, a creator or an innovator. He is not a thoughtful leader or steward of companies, nor is he worthy of any title that suggests he has been the active force behind any major accomplishment by any company…

No, Elon Musk is far more of a modern-day hustler, a nihilistic master of the art of financial plate-spinning and theoretical value. He is, in many ways, quite innovative, but only in the sense that he has repeatedly found ways to swindle the media and the financial markets without ever having to make or do anything. His joyless, banal and destructive path to becoming the world’s richest man is fueled entirely through exploiting the weaknesses of society. To quote Michael Lewis’ Liar’s Poker, Musk has a “Ph.D in man’s ignorance,” and can cleanly see where rules can be bent or broken entirely without creating any real existential threat…

Musk realized early on that by crafting a certain persona — the modern day trailblazing innovator with his hands in the future — he could take advantage of the emotional (and at times deeply illogical) nature of the markets, manipulating large cadres of investors into believing that he was a kingmaker.

And nowhere have the markets been more thoroughly hoodwinked than by Musk’s acquisition of Twitter, where he successfully conned banks like Morgan Stanley, Bank of America, and Barclays into giving him $13 toward the $44 billion purchase of a massively-overvalued public company. A year into the acquisition, Twitter is worth a tenth of its purchase price, its value destroyed by the very kingmaker the banks had hoped would turn their investment into easily-floggable debt rather than what may go down as the worst acquisition in tech history…

Musk took advantage of the greed and arrogance of financiers that have crafted a market that responds to signals and vibes over good company financials. A company can firmly sit in the red for years without fear that their stock will drop as long as they can show revenue growth, and a stock like Tesla’s — one decoupled from rationale or fundamentals — can soar based entirely on the bloviating of a 53-year-old man-child. Musk’s facade had been carried by the fact he had, for the most part, made good investments and then left the companies in question to actually build the things, operating as an awkward carnival barker, calling questions he didn’t like “boneheaded” and “uncool.”

The problem was that Twitter, for the most part, is totally unlike any other company that Musk has owned or had a hand in creating…

… Musk cannot encourage “more” of Twitter, because Twitter is already so vast, and monetizing an experience that is already free hasn’t been particularly successful. Twitter Blue has just over a million subscribers, and they’re “superspreaders” of disinformation, weakening the core “tweets” product that actually makes Twitter money.

One might argue that Elon’s sell-the-sizzle playbook is antithetical to Twitter as a company. Twitter had, until 2022, become notable less as a company and more as an institution — a place where news was broken, arguments were had, and discourse brewed. By making Twitter more conspicuous, Musk has somehow increased scrutiny while reducing traffic, because much of the press around Twitter is telling you that the core product is worse, and its creators (and leadership team) are part of the problem. While Musk can temporarily distract from build problems with the cybertruck by driving one to an F1 race, his near-autonomous ability to drive press to his products is a never-ending advertisement for why Twitter sucks and you shouldn’t visit it.

It’s hard to guess where things go next. Musk could offer to buy the debt at dirt-cheap prices, but the banks will likely refuse, demanding instead that he continues to make his $1 billion interest payments. Twitter itself could file for bankruptcy, as the debt is held by the company itself, which would likely lead to a fire sale and the company’s acquisition by another big tech giant, assuming that at that point there’s much left of a platform crumbling on a daily basis…

He turned a wildly imperfect, barely profitable but incredibly influential global town square teeming with up-to-the-moment info and organic conversations and turned it into a failing pay-to-hate vanity messageboard

— John DeVore (@JohnDeVore) October 30, 2023

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