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the 10% who apparently lack object permanence

Do not shrug your shoulders and accept the normalization of untruths.

The world has changed, and neither one recognizes it.

After dobbs, women are no longer free.

Let the trolls come, and then ignore them. that’s the worst thing you can do to a troll.

I might just take the rest of the day off and do even more nothing than usual.

Find someone who loves you the way trump and maga love traitors.

Those who are easily outraged are easily manipulated.

Republicans are radicals, not conservatives.

“Jesus paying for the sins of everyone is an insult to those who paid for their own sins.”

You know it’s bad when the Project 2025 people have to create training videos on “How To Be Normal”.

This has so much WTF written all over it that it is hard to comprehend.

When I decide to be condescending, you won’t have to dream up a fantasy about it.

Disappointing to see gov. newsom with his finger to the wind.

Impressively dumb. Congratulations.

Incompetence, fear, or corruption? why not all three?

JFC, are there no editors left at that goddamn rag?

Stop using mental illness to avoid talking about armed white supremacy.

Be a wild strawberry.

When do we start airlifting the women and children out of Texas?

It is not hopeless, and we are not helpless.

It may be funny to you motherfucker, but it’s not funny to me.

Relentless negativity is not a sign that you are more realistic.

Keep the Immigrants and deport the fascists!

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Late Night Open Thread: Oopsie!

by Anne Laurie|  July 28, 20233:12 am| 11 Comments

This post is in: KULCHA!, Open Threads

Reward: Engraving signed by every president and first lady since Ford has been lost in downtown DC by historian Carl Sferrazza Anthony, who just picked it up from White House where it was kept it in a locked safe after the Bidens signed it, per @playbookdc https://t.co/nttC2WIfLu https://t.co/M04W82sLhn pic.twitter.com/xE8GFj2OMu

— Jennifer Jacobs (@JenniferJJacobs) July 27, 2023


Every *legitimate* President, maybe?…

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Welp…

by Tom Levenson|  July 27, 202310:06 pm| 119 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Politics, Trump Crime Cartel, Trumpery, The Republican Crime Syndicate

So this has happened:

WASHINGTON (AP) — Former President Donald Trump faced new charges Thursday in a case accusing him of illegally possessing classified documents, with prosecutors alleging that he asked a staffer to delete camera footage at his Florida estate in an effort to obstruct a federal investigation into the records.

The indictment includes new counts of obstruction and willful retention of national defense information, adding fresh detail to an indictment issued last month against Trump and a close aide. The additional charges came as a surprise at a time of escalating anticipation of a possible additional indictment in Washington over his efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election.

I continue to regret my failure to purchase popcorn futures at the appropriate time.

Welp…

Over to the jackaltariat! (Open, if schadenfreude doused thread.)

Image: Dirk Hals, Merry Party in a a TavernMerry Party in a a Tavern, 1628

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Highbrow Entertainment Open Thread: They… Are… SPARTA!!!

by Anne Laurie|  July 27, 20237:53 pm| 144 Comments

This post is in: Excellent Links, Foreign Affairs, KULCHA!

Sparta’s military performance was merely mediocre, but Spartan politics makes it an exceptionally bad example for citizens or soldiers in a modern free society. https://t.co/jxKsLpX5FR

— Foreign Policy (@ForeignPolicy) July 26, 2023

But they had such a KEWL saga / movie / video game!… A historian explains, for those aspiring authoritarians who imagine themselves as the citizen elites ruling over dozen, nay hundreds, of faceless broken slaves — “Spartans Were Losers”:

The Athenian historian Thucydides once remarked that Sparta was so lacking in impressive temples or monuments that future generations who found the place deserted would struggle to believe it had ever been a great power. But even without physical monuments, the memory of Sparta is very much alive in the modern United States. In popular culture, Spartans star in film and feature as the protagonists of several of the largest video game franchises. The Spartan brand is used to promote obstacle races, fitness equipment, and firearms. Sparta has also become a political rallying cry, including by members of the extreme right who stormed the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021. Sparta is gone, but the glorification of Sparta—Spartaganda, as it were—is alive and well…

Much of this tendency to imagine U.S. soldiers as Spartan warriors comes from Steven Pressfield’s historical fiction novel Gates of Fire, still regularly assigned in military reading lists. The book presents the Spartans as superior warriors from an ultra-militarized society bravely defending freedom (against an ethnically foreign “other,” a feature drawn out more explicitly in the comic and later film 300). Sparta in this vision is a radically egalitarian society predicated on the cultivation of manly martial virtues. Yet this image of Sparta is almost entirely wrong. Spartan society was singularly unworthy of emulation or praise, especially in a democratic society.

To start with, the Spartan reputation for military excellence turns out to be, on closer inspection, mostly a mirage. Despite Sparta’s reputation for superior fighting, Spartan armies were as likely to lose battles as to win them, especially against peer opponents such as other Greek city-states. Sparta defeated Athens in the Peloponnesian War—but only by accepting Persian money to do it, reopening the door to Persian influence in the Aegean, which Greek victories at Plataea and Salamis nearly a century early had closed. Famous Spartan victories at Plataea and Mantinea were matched by consequential defeats at Pylos, Arginusae, and ultimately Leuctra. That last defeat at Leuctra, delivered by Thebes a mere 33 years after Sparta’s triumph over Athens, broke the back of Spartan power permanently, reducing Sparta to the status of a second-class power from which it never recovered.

Sparta was one of the largest Greek city-states in the classical period, yet it struggled to achieve meaningful political objectives; the result of Spartan arms abroad was mostly failure. Sparta was particularly poor at logistics; while Athens could maintain armies across the Eastern Mediterranean, Sparta repeatedly struggled to keep an army in the field even within Greece. Indeed, Sparta spent the entirety of the initial phase of the Peloponnesian War, the Archidamian War (431-421 B.C.), failing to solve the basic logistical problem of operating long term in Attica, less than 150 miles overland from Sparta and just a few days on foot from the nearest friendly major port and market, Corinth…

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Sparta’s military mediocrity seems inexplicable given the city-state’s popular reputation as a highly militarized society, but modern scholarship has shown that this, too, is mostly a mirage. The agoge, Sparta’s rearing system for citizen boys, frequently represented in popular culture as akin to an intense military bootcamp, in fact included no arms training or military drills and was primarily designed to instill obedience and conformity rather than skill at arms or tactics. In order to instill that obedience, the older boys were encouraged to police the younger boys with violence, with the result that even in adulthood Spartan citizens were liable to settle disputes with their fists, a tendency that predictably made them poor diplomats.

But while Sparta’s military performance was merely mediocre, no better or worse than its Greek neighbors, Spartan politics makes it an exceptionally bad example for citizens or soldiers in a modern free society. Modern scholars continue to debate the degree to which ancient Sparta exercised a unique tyranny of the state over the lives of individual Spartan citizens. However, the Spartan citizenry represented only a tiny minority of people in Sparta, likely never more than 15 percent, including women of citizen status (who could not vote or hold office). Instead, the vast majority of people in Sparta, between 65 and 85 percent, were enslaved helots. (The remainder of the population was confined to Sparta’s bewildering array of noncitizen underclasses.) The figure is staggering, far higher than any other ancient Mediterranean state or, for instance, the antebellum American South, rightly termed a slave society with a third of its people enslaved…

Gosh, I wonder if this Peculiar Institution might have anything to do with the Spartan-tastic fantasies of our modern American… authoritarians?

(It’s been almost sixty years, but my first memories of reading about Sparta involved my mother’s battered 1930s edition of Hendrik Willem van Loon‘s The Story of Mankind. As I remember it, van Loon kinda stressed that the British Empire had its reasons for promoting the glory of an ancient culture where a tiny minority of institutionally-reared elite males ‘righteously’ ruled over a vast expanse of lesser, uncultured tribalists. These reasons, he pointed out, did not particularly translate to a democratic global culture, especially in a place like America. But of course van Loon was writing in a time where a different European society’s political theories also bent towards Sparta worship.)

Guy with 14.4K followers responds to Professor Devereaux:

“Spartans were losers, Romans were fascists, Knights sucked, Vikings were lame, & the Founding Fathers were evil.

…wait why doesn’t anybody want to study history anymore?”

– Modern historians pic.twitter.com/viNtYIQni3

— Roman Helmet Guy (@romanhelmetguy) July 26, 2023

the replies on this are so fucking funny, just so many people enraged that someone is coming for their poorly constructed historically inaccurate imagination of some Tough Guys™ https://t.co/u6l7hywsnf

— Rosencreutz (alleged youtuber) (@KRosencreutz) July 26, 2023

It is a response which, in its unrefined passion, is rather at odds with the ideology they claim to be defending and expressing.

A Spartiate wouldn't whine on Twitter about the failure of their state, they'd be too busy being killed by the Theban Sacred Band.

— Bret Devereaux (@BretDevereaux) July 26, 2023

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War for Ukraine Day 519: Son of (Some of) You Have Questions, I (May) Have Answers

by Adam L Silverman|  July 27, 20236:27 pm| 73 Comments

This post is in: Foreign Affairs, Foreign Policy, Military, Open Threads, Russia, Silverman on Security, War, War in Ukraine

 

(Image by NEIVANMADE)

Quick housekeeping note: I’m fried, so just a brief update tonight.

The Russians opened up on Ukraine again last night. The Ukrainian Air Force has the details on their Telegram channel:

Here is President Zelenskyy’s address from earlier today. Video below, English transcript after the jump.

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Today, I had the honor to congratulate doctors and nurses, frontline medics on their professional holiday; I am grateful to everyone on whom the life of Ukraine depends – address by President Volodymyr Zelenskyy

27 July 2023 – 22:54

Good health to you, fellow Ukrainians!

We are finishing this day working in Odesa.

Dnipro region, Mykolaiv and Ochakiv… Now it’s our Odesa region. Our combat medics, all our medical workers who save the lives of our soldiers and civilians, our adults and our children.

Today I had the honor to congratulate Ukrainian doctors and nurses, frontline medics on their professional holiday. I awarded the best ones. But I am grateful to everyone who stays in our cities and villages, in the frontline areas, who work on the frontline, on whom the life of Ukraine really depends. I am grateful to you!

In the morning, I held a meeting of the Staff. As always, we discussed key issues of our defense, protection of our skies and our cities. There were reports on the situation at the front and we are checking the “military commissars”. I think you can see the state’s reaction to the abuses of the “military commissars”.

Mykolaiv has a lot of issues that need to be resolved for people, including in the regional hospital. The Minister of Health and the head of the regional administration heard everything.

Ochakiv – I thank our doctors working there. They are real heroes!

In Odesa, I also had the honor to award medical workers and thanked them for their work.

An important conversation also took place in the presence of the Minister of Health with Commander of the Medical Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Tetiana Ostashchenko. We talked about issues that are of great concern to our combat medics, our warriors. Issues on which lives depend. I expect the commander to work together with the community of combat medics, with volunteers and, on the other hand, with government officials to find the necessary solutions.

I listened to the report on the liquidation of the consequences of Russian strikes on Odesa and the region. Here, in Spaso-Preobrazhensky Cathedral, which Russia tried to destroy, I feel that our people, our morale are still stronger. Stronger than the Russian terror.

We are looking for air defense systems to protect Odesa and our entire south. And I am grateful to everyone in the world who has already joined us in this endeavor!

One more thing.

Kyiv. Today there is minus one deputy of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine. That’s fair.

I think it’s also fair to say now: every intention of any official to go abroad, of any deputy, should be checked to the second. If someone really wants to take a break from working for the state, the state will also take a break from such people.

I thank everyone who is fighting for Ukraine! Thank you for the liberation of Staromaiorske. Congratulations again, guys!

Once again, I would like to congratulate our esteemed medical workers on their holiday. We are very proud of you!

Glory to Ukraine!

ruscists are more terrified of his name than any weapon.
President @ZelenskyyUa congratulated the @CinC_AFU, General Valerii Zaluzhnyi, on his birthday and presented him with a branded firearm during an offsite meeting in Dnipro. pic.twitter.com/JLgmFPPKYS

— Defense of Ukraine (@DefenceU) July 27, 2023

Kivsharivka Village, Kharkiv Oblast:

Last night, russian terrorists bombarded Kivsharivka village, Kharkiv region. A bomb hit an apartment building. One person was killed, and four people were injured.

📷 Kharkiv Regional Military Administration pic.twitter.com/26mcFYNHLe

— Defense of Ukraine (@DefenceU) July 27, 2023

Staomayorske, Donetsk Oblast:

The 35th Marine Brigade @UA_NAVY
and the Battalion "Arey" @TDF_UA liberated the village of Staromayorske, Donetsk region. Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes! pic.twitter.com/QOimIw0rlp

— Defense of Ukraine (@DefenceU) July 27, 2023

A short movie about the liberation of Staromaiorske:

"On July 27, 2023, the personnel of the 35th separate marines brigade named after Rear Admiral Mykhailo Ostrogradsky, together with their comrades from the 7th separate battalion of AREY UDA, liberated the settlement of… pic.twitter.com/memQMErb3p

— WarTranslated (@wartranslated) July 27, 2023

A short movie about the liberation of Staromaiorske:

“On July 27, 2023, the personnel of the 35th separate marines brigade named after Rear Admiral Mykhailo Ostrogradsky, together with their comrades from the 7th separate battalion of AREY UDA, liberated the settlement of Staromayorske, located in Donetsk region.”

https://t.me/operativnoZSU/107489

Romanov talks about "very serious risk" of Russians leaving the village of Staromairoske which will lead to the surrender of Urozhaine. He says the Russian command is unable to contain the situation. pic.twitter.com/ghV8NEM5WJ

— WarTranslated (@wartranslated) July 26, 2023

The International Fencing Federation has not made the point it thinks it has:

Fencer Olha Kharlan defeated Russia's Smirnova competing as 'neutral' and refused to shake hands.

It’s a disgrace that IOC and International Fencing Federation still fail to block Russia. The Kremlin has always used sports as a tool. pic.twitter.com/QQG4qidaEn

— Maria Avdeeva (@maria_avdv) July 27, 2023

Yep, they disqualified her.

Sport is never beyond politics when it comes to Russia pic.twitter.com/do5h8tuWfO

— Maria Avdeeva (@maria_avdv) July 27, 2023

We stand in full support of Olha Harlan, the talented Ukrainian fencer who declined to shake hands with her russian opponent following her victory in a duel. We condemn russia’s exploitation of sports to support its war of aggression.
🇺🇦❤️🤺 pic.twitter.com/VPNRiThk6B

— Defense of Ukraine (@DefenceU) July 27, 2023

Last night I answered a question for Urza, which led to this comment:

Wooh, mentioned on the front page for the first time ever, reading since Terry Schiavo but mostly just lurking.
Thanks for answering that Adam.

You’re most welcome. And now you’ve been on the front page twice. In two days!

In the next comment Nukular Biskits asked:

Adam, I appreciate your response to my last night’s question about your thoughts w/ reference to the probability of Russia attacking merchant/civilian shipping in the Black Sea.

Unfortunately, I didn’t see it until this morning around 0400 local (I usually hit the sack about now and arise for my morning pre-work coffee & constitutional around then).

Not to belabor the point, but given Russia’s complete lack of concern for civilian casualties, why would you think they wouldn’t escalate hostilities to the point of attacking commercial vessels going to/from Ukrainian ports?

I’ll try to stay awake longer tonight … LOL

I’d already gone to sleep when you asked that, so here’s the answer. I don’t think this is about Russia’s concern for civilian casualties. Rather, I think there are a couple of things at play here. The first is that Russia really cannot afford to alienate anyone else. A lot of these commercial vessels, regardless of who owns them, are flagged in states in the global periphery or south. These are places that Russia is working its elements of national power other than military power hard. And it is doing so in order to establish influence. If the owners of the commercial shipping vessels suddenly feel the need to reflag their ships within their own states or states that are members of NATO in order to increase the likelihood of protection, that is going to hurt business for the states in the global periphery and south. The other dynamic that is in play here is that Putin really can’t afford to piss off Erdogan. As Russia’s power wanes, the Black Sea becomes more and more Turkiye’s body of water. That’s what I think is going on here.

That’s enough for tonight.

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Do Not Buy A Car From Elon Musk

by Tom Levenson|  July 27, 20233:46 pm| 165 Comments

This post is in: Free Markets Solve Everything, Open Threads

The myth of Musk has become increasingly tattered over recent years. He’s no MoTU, not a world-spanning genius uniquely able to bend technology to his will. As the Twitter debacle has made obvious, he’s no more than an ordinarily clever guy who parlayed a family apartheid fortune and some good timing into early Silicon Valley success, who then deployed his one true talent–as a hype man and a skilled approach to the manipulation of gov’t subsidies–to parlay a first fortune into the stupendous wealth he has today.

That talent had its uses: Space X is a real company, and Tesla can, I think, be credited with accelerating the electric car transition. How much credit he truly deserves for either is a question I’ll leave for those who will do the research and reporting.  My point here is that this emperor is truly naked, which is a mental image I’m sorry I just created for you.

And no, this is not a post about today’s Twitter horrorshow, in which it seems that Musk has gone all in on enabling and succoring the dissemination of CSAM.* It is, rather, that he’s a common garden-variety con man.


Do Not Buy A Car From Elon Musk 1

Reuters has the receipts:

Tesla…decided about a decade ago, for marketing purposes, to write algorithms for its range meter that would show drivers “rosy” projections for the distance it could travel on a full battery, according to a person familiar with an early design of the software for its in-dash readouts.

“Tesla” didn’t decide; Musk did.

The directive to present the optimistic range estimates came from Tesla Chief Executive Elon Musk, this person said.

“Elon wanted to show good range numbers when fully charged,” the person said, adding: “When you buy a car off the lot seeing 350-mile, 400-mile range, it makes you feel good.”

That’s the classic con-dynamic. Make the mark feel good just long enough to spirit away their cash.

Musk then compounded the fraud.  When Tesla owners tried to schedule service to deal with what seemed to be defective batteries, Tesla employees were directed to gaslight them:

…last summer, Tesla created the Las Vegas “Diversion Team” to handle only range cases, according to the people familiar with the matter.

The office atmosphere at times resembled that of a telemarketing boiler room. A supervisor had purchased the metallophone – a xylophone with metal keys – that employees struck to celebrate appointment cancellations, according to the people familiar with the office’s operations.

Advisers would normally run remote diagnostics on customers’ cars and try to call them, the people said. They were trained to tell customers that the EPA-approved range estimates were just a prediction, not an actual measurement, and that batteries degrade over time, which can reduce range. Advisors would offer tips on extending range by changing driving habits.

If the remote diagnostics found anything else wrong with the vehicle that was not related to driving range, advisors were instructed not to tell the customer, one of the sources said. Managers told them to close the cases.

That is, the Tesla response seems to have been, “We sold you vaporware! Sucks to be you.”

IANAL, but to me this at least approaches criminality. It certainly confirms my already firm buying decision.  Sometime in the next couple of years I’ll be looking to replace my venerable appliance, a 2013 Toyota Prius plug-in.  My wife and I plan to buy an all-electric vehicle once the current ride either turns its toes to the ceiling or my son needs a car.

There were already lots of reasons beyond Musk’s personal wretchedness to avoid Tesla (my son still laughs at the Tesla guy at their Prudential Center showroom who insisted that a visible half-inch rise between panels on a Model Y was “within spec”).  But this? Not just the range issue, but the terrifying evidence of service negligence–this is not a company in which anyone should put any trust.

But we knew that.

Have some thread, as open as a manhole cover when you really, really need there not to be traffic.

*I was today years old when I learned that acronym and I find it double-plus ungood that I inhabit a timeline in which such coinages are evoked.

Image: Guy Pène du Bois, The Confidence Man, 1919.

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Moar-Ron (Open Thread)

by Betty Cracker|  July 27, 20231:53 pm| 148 Comments

This post is in: Elections 2024, Open Threads, Politics, Republican Stupidity

Moar-Ron (Open Thread)

As y’all know, I despise Ron DeSantis to the depths of my soul, maybe even more than I abhor his former mentor/current tormenter the orange fart cloud. So I’m following accounts of the DeSantis campaign struggles with an unseemly amount of glee. I beg your forgiveness!

Josh Marshall has an update at TPM under a promising title: “GOPers Hit the Half-Drowned Ron with Their Paddles as He Struggles to Climb Back in the Campaign Boat.” (Sounds like Marshall loathes the schmuck almost as much as I do.) The “Dead Bounce Ron Daily Update” begins as follows:

In today’s episode of the ongoing collapse of the DeSantis campaign, we have a new moment which we might see as the severed segments of Dead Bounce Ron roiling and twitching around, much like a worm that has been cut into pieces but continues to wiggle and move about almost as if nothing had happened. Yesterday in response to a question about ersatz candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr., DeSantis said that while he wouldn’t choose Kennedy as his vice president, he would consider him to run the FDA or CDC.

This is of course a ridiculously inane suggestion. But the key is that it was immediately attacked even by many of DeSantis’s erstwhile allies or the kinds of Republicans he needs to gain the support of to remain in the race.

As Marshall notes, Repubs see RFK Jr. as a ratfuck opportunity. No one is seriously considering putting that lunatic in charge of a lemonade stand, let alone a federal agency. So, that was a dumb self-own by DeSantis and an opportunity for rivals to attack him.

Also, Nazi eruptions in a campaign are a bad look, even for Repubs, especially outside of districts like those repped by MTG and Gosar. It’s not like Repubs are sincerely horrified, but a parade of overt fascists is embarrassing for those who are still pretending their party isn’t a gr0yper cesspool.

Also? DeSantis just sucks at being a human being and even more at being a presidential candidate, and that perception is snowballing among people he needs to win over NOW:

Meanwhile, DeSantis reportedly crashed and burned on a fundraising jaunt through the Hamptons, according to The New York Post, even as RFK Jr. made bank on Hamptons Republicans eager to fund his trolling operation. According to the Post, DeSantis was reduced to cutting the minimum contribution in half — essentially offering discount fundraisers — and ended up having to scrap two events for lack of interest.

Of course, it’s the Post. So who knows? But why spoil a good story?

The loser stench is growing, and the first GOP debate takes place less than a month from today, dog help us. DeSantis better hope to sweet merciful Christ that Trump shows up at the debate (he won’t). Because otherwise, his fellow aspirants will aim their piñata bats at the maggoty meatball in their midst.

Open thread.

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Cake Is Coming Open Thread

by WaterGirl|  July 27, 202310:46 am| 35 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads

I haven’t really been able to follow the news – but it sure seems like cake is coming.  Maybe today or maybe tomorrow?

They will not have their parking validated.

Again.

— Just Jack (@7Veritas4) July 27, 2023

Insert the Airplane I guess I picked a bad week to quit smoking / drinking / snorting coke / meme here.

But seriously, it’s great to get to know my Australian cousins!  I like them very much and I will be sad to leave tomorrow because it’s unlikely that I will see them again.  But maybe!

Yesterday I had to stay home from the big outing because I was still behind on work for one of my clients.  But I worked for 10 hours yesterday and got to a point where I feel fine not working until Saturday when I will wake up again in my own bed.

Open thread.

Update:  Since I was staying back, I offered to have my niece’s pups stay here because they are terribly afraid of storms, and I knew that big storms were coming yesterday.  So I cranked up Jimmy Buffett on the stereo and worked for hours, singing to the pups when the thunder got too loud and especially when Skye got so scared that he climbed up in my lap.  He has to weigh maybe 80 pounds>  I adore Skye and Stella, so I was happy to have them with me.  I sang so much yesterday that my voice is a bit croaky this morning.  Totally worth it!

Here’s the file I created when they went home after staying with me for 10 or 14 days when they were just 4 months old!

Skye and Stella

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