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My right to basic bodily autonomy is not on the table. that’s the new deal.

Nancy smash is sick of your bullshit.

So many bastards, so little time.

The most dangerous place for a black man in America is in a white man’s imagination.

They were going to turn on one another at some point. It was inevitable.

“The defense has a certain level of trust in defendant that the government does not.”

To the privileged, equality seems like oppression.

I’m starting to think Jesus may have made a mistake saving people with no questions asked.

You can’t attract Republican voters. You can only out organize them.

Accountability, motherfuckers.

People identifying as christian while ignoring christ and his teachings is a strange thing indeed.

You are so fucked. Still, I wish you the best of luck.

’Where will you hide, Roberts, the laws all being flat?’

When your entire life is steeped in white supremacy, equality feels like discrimination.

The only way through is to slog through the muck one step at at time.

How stupid are these people?

He wakes up lying, and he lies all day.

Let me eat cake. The rest of you could stand to lose some weight, frankly.

They want us to be overwhelmed and exhausted. Focus. Resist. Oppose.

Too often we confuse noise with substance. too often we confuse setbacks with defeat.

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Stupid Fox “News” Tricks

by Tom Levenson|  August 26, 202312:42 pm| 150 Comments

This post is in: Information Warfare, Open Threads, Politics, Our Failed Media Experiment

The right wing info bubble is real, and it is cynically–I’d say, viciously–maintained and guarded by right wing elites. It seems obvious from the outside that the ragegasm-based information economy in which a figure like Trump thrives is fostered by oligarchs who use the rubes to defend their power and their purses.

Of all such folks, none has been so essential and so effective as Rupert Murdoch. He’s an enemy of democracy worldwide; he rose to power on some mix of page 3 pinups and the endless repetition of bullshit exquisitely designed to ensure that his readers/viewers would direct their anger in useful directions.

Now, of course, he’s respectable, and it is of some importance to him  that many of his media properties be viewed as “real” news operations, operating from a right-of-center worldview, perhaps, but grounded in fact.

But then, every now and then (I’m guessing every day, with any watchdogs overwhelmed by the sheer volume) the lie comes right out into the open.  As in the “story” of a marine’s family who was, Fox alleged pushed towards penury to bring the body of their daughter home:

The U.S. Marine Corps went up to the highest levels of Fox News last month to challenge a story that falsely claimed a fallen Marine’s family had to cover the cost of transporting her remains, emails obtained by The Washington Post show.

Fox quietly amended the digital story and then removed it from its website following more complaints from the Marines but still has not apologized or corrected the erroneous report, which had been based on a false claim quickly retracted by a congressman.

The congressman in question is a Republican, of course, and from Florida (sorry Betty!)

The July 25 FoxNews.com story relied on an account from freshman Rep. Cory Mills (R-Fla.), who stated that the family of Sgt. Nicole L. Gee had shouldered “a heavy financial burden” of $60,000 to retrieve her body from Afghanistan. Gee, 23, was one of 13 U.S. service members killed in a suicide bombing at the Kabul airport in the frantic final days of the U.S. withdrawal.

This was, of course, bullshit

Stupid Fox "News" Tricks

The story’s reporter, Michael Lee, quoted Mills calling the family’s supposed expenditures an “egregious injustice.” Neither Pentagon officials nor Gee’s family were quoted in the original story.

…

“The allegations originally published turned out to be false, which I suspect Mr. Lee knew in the first place, and was the reason he did not seek comment from the Marine Corps,” wrote Marine Corpsspokesman Maj. James Stenger in an email to the Fox executives.

As Truman (is supposed to have) said of Nixon, you can tell if Fox is lying if anyone on camera’s lips are moving.

Got nothing deep to say about this–they are who they reveal themselves (over and over again) to be.  But this is why persuading a Trumper out of their self-and others’ delusion is so difficult.  They are as immersed in falsehood as Cleopatra was in her daily baths of asses milk.*

A final aside: props to The Washington Post for calling out Fox on this; too many in elite media have cut an organization built on Goebbels’ playbook way too much slack.

*That last assertion of fact is what we in and/or adjacent to journalism term “too good to check.” You have been warned.

The thread: open it is.

Image: François Lemoyne, Time Saving Truth from Falsehood and Envy, 1737.  A little on the nose, I admit, and would that it were so easy, that the tincture of time alone would be sufficient to defend us from industrial scale deceit.

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Saturday Morning Open Thread: Last Week in Review – Clowns & Cartoons

by Anne Laurie|  August 26, 20237:08 am| 225 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Proud to Be A Democrat, Republicans in Disarray!, Trump Indictments

Saturday Morning Open Thread:  Clowns & Cartoons

(Matt Davies via GoComics.com)

Around like 2016 I used to think man I can’t wait until I don’t have to pay attention to politics anymore. Increasingly I’m realizing two things: I will never not be able to pay attention to it and I was extremely privileged to feel like I could in the past.

— Jean-Michel Connard ?? (@torriangray) August 24, 2023

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(Mike Luckovich via GoComics.com)

 

Can’t wait for Trump’s fingerprint to match those in unsolved cases.

— Dana Houle (@DanaHoule) August 24, 2023

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(Clay Jones via GoComics.com)

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‘The people who tried to overthrow the government, some of these people are our friends. How can we keep them out of jail despite, you know, the crimes they committed?’ https://t.co/DlYgXT6gJ0

— Jason Karsh (@jkarsh) August 20, 2023

Media wants Biden to pardon Trump for crimes he committed while the same media ignores that Republicans want to convict Biden for crimes he didn't commit. https://t.co/CVBl0K7x0z

— John Cole (@Johngcole) August 23, 2023

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(Walt Handelsman via GoComics.com)

 

Also because specifically in the case of Trump, breaking *him* breaks his movement into a thousand different factions each claiming to be his true successor. https://t.co/wF2kSKIPVG

— The Fig Economy (@figgityfigs) August 25, 2023

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(Jack Ohman via GoComics.com)

Trump has created a bubble within the right-wing media bubble that undergirds his disinterest in this week's debate — and Fox's eagerness to have him participate. https://t.co/qbQkJpOniq

— Philip Bump (@pbump) August 21, 2023

Look at right wing media. You have people like @jimgeraghty, who’s supposed to be the closest thing NR has to a straight reporter, lying to his audience every day about Biden’s mental capacity. https://t.co/X2Y0bOx5nC

— Clean Observer (@Hammbear2024) August 21, 2023

I think it lets these folks off the hook to say results like this indicate delusion. I think it indicates something more like a cross between trolling, after the fact rationalization, and an attempt to shape reality via assertion. https://t.co/LwDwDf03aC

— The Fig Economy (@figgityfigs) August 20, 2023

And in this age where media just talks about what people say rather than figuring out what’s true, they’ve realized they can play the refs by just refusing to concede reality, instead asserting its opposite.

— The Fig Economy (@figgityfigs) August 20, 2023

They have been trapped by the Trump/ shame spiral since the beginning.

The worse he got, the more foolish they secretly felt for ever supporting him.

Either pay an escalating psychic cost of admitting your mistake — or cling tighter.

And get angrier.

— Michele Dostert (@dostert_michele) August 20, 2023

Kamala warned us. https://t.co/AHZlTeTfLY

— Kaivan Shroff (@KaivanShroff) August 25, 2023

lol pic.twitter.com/DyzMH1NOyG

— Olivia Nuzzi (@Olivianuzzi) August 25, 2023

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Late Night Open Thread: A False Trail (Probably)

by Anne Laurie|  August 26, 202312:49 am| 43 Comments

This post is in: C.R.E.A.M., Open Threads, Trump Crime Cartel

Cocaine wishes, cowboy caviar dreams…

Zillow reports ⁦@realDonaldTrump⁩ sold Mar-a-Lago to Don Jr for $422 million before the old man’s latest arrest
The price seems greatly inflated. Trump bought it, furniture & all, with an unrecorded $10 million mortgage.
There’s a tax story, and maybe a tax crime in this. pic.twitter.com/sbul784amD

— David Cay Johnston (@DavidCayJ) August 25, 2023

Naaah…. Never say never, when it comes to TFG criming, but let’s be real: TFG would be the last person deluded enough to trust his namesake in even a legal fiction concerning his real estate ‘crown jewel’ / moneyspinner. Palm Beach news station WPTV, “Zillow amends ‘incorrect’ listing amid Mar-a-Lago sale rumors”:

A Friday morning listing on Zillow showed that Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate was sold on Aug. 4 for $422 million. However, Zillow has since called the listing “incorrect,” and the property is now listed as “off the market.”…

The 58-bedroom, 33-bathroom estate is in the spotlight as rumors swirl that the property was sold or transferred to a company owned by Trump’s son, Donald Jr.

The rumor was fueled by a Friday morning post on Zillow showing a $422 million sale, which has since been deleted.

“The timing, I think, is something that struck all of us,” Jason Weisser, a former prosecutor and current partner at Schuler Weisser Zoeller Overbeck & Baxter, said. “You know, just days before the indictment in Georgia, here you are transferring your Mar-a-Lago property and you’re transferring it to a company owned by your son.”…

“If he feels that there’s a possibility or probability that he might owe a judgment to a creditor, this would be a way that he could move assets so that they couldn’t get that from him,” Weisser said.

Palm Beach County property records show no sale since 1995 when Trump converted the property to a club. That company, Mar-a-Lago Club, Inc., does appear to be operated by Donald Jr., according to records on Sunbiz.

Palm Beach County’s property records website does note that sales are not posted until one to three weeks after the closing date…

Wouldn’t come as a total surprise if the Dark Lard, or one of his overambitious minions, had floated the idea of such a transfer, of course. Pretty sure it won’t be in the family once the creditors, and future political litigants, get their time in court!

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War for Ukraine Day 548: I’ve Seen this Movie and Read the Story, This Isn’t Going To End Well

by Adam L Silverman|  August 25, 20235:58 pm| 63 Comments

This post is in: Foreign Affairs, Foreign Policy, Military, Open Threads, Russia, Silverman on Security, War, War in Ukraine

Apparently someone has decided to do some urban renewal at the Wagner cemetery:

United like never before. pic.twitter.com/ELcEWHnzie

— WarTranslated (@wartranslated) August 25, 2023

We’ve all seen this movie, we’ve all read the book. we all know that whatever they build on top of those graves isn’t going to be anyplace anyone wants to spend any time in. Maybe they don’t have Stephen King novels in Russia?

Here is President Zelenskyy’s address from earlier today. Video below, English transcript after the jump:

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The task is to speed up the moment when F-16s will help us keep Russian terrorists away – address by the President of Ukraine

25 August 2023 – 20:38

Good health to you, fellow Ukrainians!

A brief report on this day.

All the agreements we brought home from our partners are being implemented already. First of all, F-16 jets. The tasks are obvious. For the international team, it is to maximize the expansion of training missions. For the military, it is to accelerate the preparation of the infrastructure as much as possible, to send pilots and engineers to ensure Ukraine’s full readiness. And all together, it is about bringing closer the moment when F-16s will help us keep Russian terrorists away.

Today I held a meeting on the results of the visits. It was a long meeting. The issue of coordination was specifically about the jets. Preparation of new defense packages – with exactly the content that our warriors need and that they told me about when I visited the front.

We are also preparing our new international events for the autumn, new steps in relations with partners that should strengthen Ukraine. The autumn will be eventful in terms of our diplomacy.

By the way, late yesterday evening I had a conversation with U.S. President Biden. It was a good conversation. I thanked him for his Independence Day greetings. We discussed how to further strengthen freedom. And we have a new important agreement: America will join the training of F-16 pilots and engineers. There will be more news in this and other areas. Thank you!

Today I met with the Turkish Foreign Minister in Kyiv. It was an important meeting. We discussed the security component, our joint diplomatic work, and the fundamental humanitarian things we are doing together. In particular, this is the release of our people from Russian captivity. We talked about the Peace Formula and the preparation of the Global Peace Summit. We also talked about the situation that has arisen due to Russia’s dastardly attacks on grain exports in the Black Sea region. Obviously, these are attacks on global security. They are calculated. They are aimed at provoking crises in different regions of the world. And together with Türkiye, we can restore security step by step, as we have repeatedly proved. I believe we will do even more together.

We are already preparing for next week. There will be some special internal political meetings. They are already scheduled. Regarding legislative decisions… Something that will definitely protect our state from all those who are trying to weaken it, who, unfortunately, do not think about Ukraine, even though they hold positions in the state system. The strength of Ukraine has no alternatives.

And, of course, our warriors.

The paratroopers of the “Eightieth”, who are fighting hard in the Bakhmut sector. The 68th separate hunting brigade, which is destroying the occupiers in the Lyman sector. The 12th operational brigade of the National Guard, which is delivering the results Ukraine needs in the Kreminna sector – thank you! The 46th separate airmobile brigade of the Air Assault Forces – thank you for your strength in the Orikhiv sector. The 59th separate motorized infantry brigade in the Donetsk sector – they are very, very effective. Thank you! And our rocket crewmen: the 27th Otaman Kalnyshevsky rocket artillery brigade and the 107th Kremenchuk rocket artillery brigade – thank you, warriors, for your exceptional accuracy in the Zaporizhzhia sector!

Glory to all who are fighting and working for Ukraine!

Glory to Ukraine!

Last night, russians attacked Ukraine with two Kalibr cruise missiles, two Kh-59 cruise missiles, and a Shahed UAV.
All targets have been destroyed by Ukrainian air defense.@KpsZSU

— Defense of Ukraine (@DefenceU) August 25, 2023

For the second August in a row, a large parade of russian armored vehicles is taking place on the Khreshchatyk, the main street of the Ukrainian capital.

Putin still dreams of somehow reviewing it, as the disappearance of independent Ukraine from the world map would have marked… pic.twitter.com/afQB7NvYih

— Defense of Ukraine (@DefenceU) August 25, 2023

For the second August in a row, a large parade of russian armored vehicles is taking place on the Khreshchatyk, the main street of the Ukrainian capital.

Putin still dreams of somehow reviewing it, as the disappearance of independent Ukraine from the world map would have marked the revival of empire for him.

However, these scorched and rusty remnants of once-mighty combat machines demonstrate the opposite. The war is ongoing, but the era of russian/soviet/putin empires has definitively passed.

📷 Heidi Levine

 

Spoke to parents of 3-year-old Ksenia and her 10-year-old sister, Valeria, about display of dismantled Russian weaponry. Girls witnessed ballistic missiles before, flying over their home in Kyiv. pic.twitter.com/6fStiFopDj

— Maria Avdeeva (@maria_avdv) August 25, 2023

Two brothers, Storm Shadow and SCALP-EG, are inviting the third, TAURUS, to join them.
We have a lot of work to do this autumn.#freethetaurus #TaurusForUkraine https://t.co/vmlWtYeEE8

— Defense of Ukraine (@DefenceU) August 25, 2023

Dear Hanno, @HPevkur ! You're amazing!

Ukraine takes great pride in having such a loyal and reliable friend like Estonia – a country with a big heart.

Thank you personally and the entire nation for your support and belief in Ukraine!

Victory will come! pic.twitter.com/rNUWMQ5KAe

— Oleksii Reznikov (@oleksiireznikov) August 25, 2023

Tokmak-Robotyne:

I'll share a few details about Tokmak-Robotyne axis, without elaborating details:

– Situation for russians worsened lately;
– They're frantically trying to prevent breakthrough;
– Claims about depleted russian reserves, reinforcements and forces for rotation are incorrect.

— Tatarigami_UA (@Tatarigami_UA) August 25, 2023

Earlier, HIMARS was our only “long range” weaponry which was used for targets like HQ’s, ammo and fuel depots, signal nodes.

Thanks to our allies, we can now target them with different weaponry even after russians moved them further.

We can target artillery with HIMARS now

— Tatarigami_UA (@Tatarigami_UA) August 25, 2023

In general – absolutely. However, the reinforcements and reserves I'm mentioning should not be underestimated, as I consider them to be among the most capable.

— Tatarigami_UA (@Tatarigami_UA) August 25, 2023

Not to doom here, I am not saying that it will necessary end up the way we want.

a) situation for russians turned quite sour
b) they have resource which they are extremely likely to deploy, turning the situation

But I have faith in heroism and bravery of our soldiers.

— Tatarigami_UA (@Tatarigami_UA) August 25, 2023

The Wall Street Journal has published a deep dive into Ukrainian senior military leaders’ disagreements with their American counterparts over how to conduct the current offensive/counter-offensive. Since it is paywalled, here are excerpts from the Internet Archive:

U.S. and Ukrainian officials have been engaged in an intense behind-the-scenes debate for weeks over the strategy and tactics for reviving Kyiv’s slow-moving counteroffensive.

American military officials have been urging the Ukrainians to return to the combined arms training they received at allied bases in Europe by concentrating their forces to try to bust through Russia defenses and push to the Sea of Azov.

Kyiv has made some adjustments in recent weeks, but the two sides are still at odds about how to turn the tables on the Russians in the limited time they have before winter sets in.

“You don’t understand the nature of this conflict,” Gen. Valery Zaluzhny, the commander of the Ukrainian armed forces, the Ukrainian commander, responded in one interaction with the Americans, a U.S. official recounted. “This is not counterinsurgency. This is Kursk,” the commander added, referring to the major World War II battle between Germany and the Soviet Union.

A spokesman for the Ukrainian commander didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment.

The American advice is based on the calculation that the surge of equipment the U.S. has funneled to Ukraine—more than $43 billion in weaponry has been committed over the years—is enough for this offensive and is unlikely to be repeated at anywhere near the same level in 2024.

“We built up this mountain of steel for the counteroffensive. We can’t do that again,” one former U.S. official said. “It doesn’t exist.”

It isn’t too late for Ukraine to make gains, according to U.S. officials.

Ukrainian commanders also say that time hasn’t yet run out on their counteroffensive, and Zaluzhny has told U.S. officials his forces are on the cusp of a breakthrough.

Yet deep divisions over the strategy linger. The U.S. for the past several weeks has urged the Ukrainians to mass their forces and concentrate in an area north of Tokmak in the south to push through the first line of Russian defenses, generally acknowledged as the toughest line to break.

While there are differing views within the U.S. government, one official said that Washington has conveyed “serious frustration” with Ukraine’s strategy, particularly President Volodymyr Zelensky’s focus on Bakhmut, which some Ukrainian officers see as useful to build morale and create a buffer zone in the east.

After U.S. officials cautioned against dissipating their efforts, the Ukrainians adjusted their strategy and went on the defensive in the eastern part of Zaporizhzhia. That change has enabled the Ukrainians to conserve their forces for the main attack elsewhere and limit their expenditure of artillery.

But U.S. officials say the Ukrainians are still spread too thin for a concentrated push south with numerous brigades deployed in the east and are still not combining the use of artillery, mechanized units and mine-clearing efforts.

Holding casualties to a minimum is needed to preserve their longer-term fighting potential, the Ukrainians say. But U.S. officials say the Ukrainians’ small-unit attacks on narrow fronts slow the offensive and give the Russians more opportunity to respond, including with mines that are dispensed through artillery strikes and units armed with rocket-propelled grenades.

The current state of play has sparked worries that Ukraine’s fight against Russia might be entering a stalemate, a contention President Biden’s national security adviser, Jake Sullivan, has denied.

“No, we do not assess that the conflict is a stalemate,” Sullivan told reporters Tuesday. The battlefield, he said, is changing every day.

At the heart of the debate between Washington and Kyiv is the U.S.-provided combined arms training the Ukrainians have received in recent months that was intended to prepare them for their offensive in the south.

The U.S. and its partners have trained more than 70,000 Ukrainian soldiers at more than 40 training areas. But the crux of the U.S. combined arms training in Germany was on 14 motorized-infantry, mechanized and national-guard battalions—some 8,000 troops—who were to push through Russia’s lines or secure terrain.

The 12-week training program for those battalions included instruction on using their artillery, mechanized units and infantry together. It culminated in a weeklong battalion-level exercise with Ukrainian forces squared off against a mock adversary played by U.S. forces.

The training is intended to enable Ukrainian forces to break through their foe’s defenses and maneuver in the Russians’ rear area, but without the advantages the U.S. military has long enjoyed, especially air power.

Ukraine has only a small air force, and the delivery of American-made F-16s isn’t expected until mid to late 2024. While U.S. officials say that simulations indicated that the Ukrainians could succeed anyway, some in the Pentagon acknowledge the challenge.

Christine Wormuth, the U.S. Army secretary, said recently that the U.S. military would find this sort of fighting challenging, particularly if they didn’t have air superiority and the adversary had time to prepare its defenses. “Our soldiers have years to practice this, and the Ukrainians had several weeks to work on this,” she said.

Some former officials say that the Pentagon’s frustration with the pace of the Ukrainian attack is misplaced.

“When America fights with combined arms, it fights with battlefield air superiority,” said Philip Breedlove, a retired U.S. Air Force general who served as the North Atlantic Treaty Organization’s top military commander from 2013 to 2016.

“Ukraine doesn’t have that. Nor have we given Ukraine long-range precise artillery,” he added. “So when there is all this talk that they are failing with combined arms, we need to look in the mirror.”

More at the link.

I think Gen (ret) Breedlove’s assessment quoted in the article is correct. As is LTG (ret) Hodges below:

Pentagon talks MultiDomain Opns but their criticism is surprisingly one dimensional. UAF are actually doing MDO. The counteroffensive is more than the ground assault. UAF MDO have the initiative and are gradually making Crimea untenable for Russian Navy, Air Force, air defense. https://t.co/frm4oiIbQ4

— Ben Hodges (@general_ben) August 25, 2023

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Where’s Our Friday Afternoon News Dump?

by WaterGirl|  August 25, 20235:42 pm| 139 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads

Where’s our Friday afternoon news dump?  Someone needs to speak to the manager about that!

Those bastards (who predict the weather) did not give us our thunderstorm – as promised – to reduce the heat.  I would personally like to speak to the manager about that! :-)

In lieu of news, I want to share this from Tony Jay, from an earlier thread.

Tony Jay

The lights are on, but you’re not home
Your time is not your own
Your flop sweats, your body shakes
Net closes in, Fani don’t fake
You can’t sleep (Whoa) you can’t eat
There’s no doubt, you’re in deep
Your throat is tight, you can’t breathe
Another lawyer, that what you need?

Whoa, you liked to think you were immune to the law, oh yeah
It’s closer to the truth to say you, just really suck
You know you’re gonna have to face it, you’re indicted you fuck

Those docs you stole, but you can’t read
Your flunkies, are gonna plead
Your legal team, are paying fines
So many crimes, you’re doing time
And that phone call, the one Brad taped
With the orders, that you gave
Now there’s no hope, left for you
You don’t get it, man you’re screwed

Whoa, you liked to think you were immune to the law, oh yeah
It’s closer to the truth to say you, just really suck
You know you’re gonna have to face it, you’re indicted you fuck

Might as well face it, you’re indicted you fuck
Might as well face it, you’re indicted you fuck
Might as well face it, you’re indicted you fuck
Might as well face it, you’re indicted you fuck
Might as well face it, you’re indicted you fuck
Might as well face it, you’re indicted you fuck
Might as well face it, you’re indicted you fuck
Might as well face it, you’re indicted you fuck

Repeat until the cell doors slam closed!

Open thread.

Update: I do approve of this, though.

NEW: DoJ has been investigating the intimidation of Ruby Freeman for the better part of this year. We didn’t know until yesterday. Bet against the DoJ at your own peril. https://t.co/2SDmS3sdeq

— Mueller, She Wrote (@MuellerSheWrote) August 25, 2023

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Zygotes & Zealots

by Betty Cracker|  August 25, 202310:51 am| 256 Comments

This post is in: Domestic Politics, Open Threads, Politics, Republican Stupidity, The War On Women, Women's Rights Are Human Rights

In the year and change since the Leo Court overturned Roe, Repub politicians redoubled their efforts to deny women agency in life-changing personal decisions and substituted GOP politicians’ half-baked religious fanaticism for medical science, making it impossible for women in many states to get treatment that meets modern medical care standards when experiencing life-threatening medical crises.

Red state governors signed so-called “heartbeat bills” that effectively ban abortion. The feral goons in the House attached antichoice riders to bills, as if legislating with a mandate to ban abortion.

Alabama’s Senator Potato Head is compromising national security by holding up hundreds of military nominations and promotions to try to change Pentagon abortion policy. It should be noted the DOD already doesn’t cover abortion due to federal law, but Tuberville objects to the military giving personnel stationed in red states time off to travel to states where modern reproductive healthcare is legal.

I’m no expert, but it seems like bad politics for Repubs to keep their antichoice extremist freak flag at full mast when red lights have been blinking on the electorate dashboard ever since the Dobbs decision came down, including in places like deep red Kansas and Ohio. Can they not see they’ve staked out a position that’s incredibly unpopular and likely to blow up in their faces?

They can see it — they just don’t have any politically palatable options, and their verbal flights of fancy in the recent debate demonstrate that. Here’s an excerpt from a TPM piece by Kate Riga, a reporter who covers reproductive health issues with uncommon persistence and insight:

“After I gave my life to Jesus Christ as my lord and savior I opened up the book and I read ‘Before I formed you in the womb I knew you. And see I set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life,’” Mike Pence intoned from the debate stage Wednesday. “I knew from that moment on the cause of life had to be my cause.”*

Pence then took a whack at Nikki Haley, quipping that consensus is not leadership, and went on to tout his support for a federal ban on abortions starting 15 weeks after conception — quickly adding that there is 70 percent consensus behind such a ban (more on this below).

This moment, in the context of Pence’s career and the anti-abortion movement, is staggering.

Riga points out that proposing a 15-week federal abortion ban is a massive walk-back for zealots who believe zygotes are the equivalent of newborn babies. It’s not just Pence — antichoice group Susan B. Anthony Pro-Life America signaled they are with Pence and the other two candidates who embraced a 15-week federal ban (Scott and Hutchinson).

It’s a good point. Whether the type of antichoice fanatics who scream “MURDERER” in people’s faces at clinics will be onboard with this “compromise” remains to be seen, but the SBA people are pretty hardcore — their president blasted candidates who said the matter should be left to the states, calling out Burgum by name — so their public acquiesce to a 15-week ban is stunning all by itself.

Riga concludes:

(Pence) is the man who, just a year ago, in prepared remarks, said that “our goal should be not just to make abortion illegal, but totally unthinkable for every American citizen,” that “we believe that life begins at conception.”

Dobbs revolutionized our politics, in ways we’re still reckoning with and struggling to predict. Nowhere is that more evident than in the “moderation” of Mike Pence, the anti-abortion crusader in search of a consensus to follow.

I think she’s right. The limp dissembling of other debate participants, including Nikki Haley and abortion-banner Ron DeSantis, underscores what a millstone they now perceive this issue is. Tuberville and the House howler monkeys don’t have to face a broad electorate; would-be presidents do.

It’ll be fascinating to see how Democrats approach this issue over the coming year. Beltway outlets speculate that VP Harris will take a lead role on the issue when the campaign begins in earnest, and Dems plan to hang antichoice extremism around the necks of every Repub up and down the ballot. Biden’s snarky ad buy for the debate illustrates the attitude. After all, we have the real consensus.

Open thread.

*Riga notes that Pence misleadingly cobbled together bible verses to make it sound like he has his lord and savior’s stamp of approval on antichoice policies. She also points out that Pence lied about 70% national consensus on 15-week bans.

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Friday Morning Open Thread: Retribution?

by Anne Laurie|  August 25, 20238:14 am| 259 Comments

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Friday Morning Open Thread:  Retribution, At Last

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The former president being arrested is a complex emotional event for any American. Luckily, we have multiple opportunities to process it.

— Olivia Nuzzi (@Olivianuzzi) August 25, 2023

TRUMP MUGSHOT JUST DROPPED #TrumpMugshot pic.twitter.com/vnbhxA8Amh

— The Lincoln Project (@ProjectLincoln) August 25, 2023

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It's a pretty simple choice, folks. #BidenHarris2024 pic.twitter.com/QVzHWz92uo

— Chris D. Jackson (@ChrisDJackson) August 25, 2023

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I don't think impeachment hearings over Hunter Biden is going to change the fact that this race is now Joe Biden versus Inmate P01135089.

— Not up for trouble, please stop asking (@agraybee) August 25, 2023

the thing about the Georgia mugshots is that it is bad and unnecessary to humiliate most criminals and it is good and necessary to humiliate criminals who can't be restrained by prison but can be restrained by disgrace

— sheikh zubeyr, author of al-easifatan (@revhowardarson) August 24, 2023

bad things which happen to Donald Trump are good because he is beyond the conventional capacities of the state to discipline

— sheikh zubeyr, author of al-easifatan (@revhowardarson) August 25, 2023

we need to ruin his life using any means which are plausibly legitimate, including means we would never use against anyone else, because he is personally roughly as powerful as the American legal system taken as a wholehttps://t.co/p04ff3O4FQ

— sheikh zubeyr, author of al-easifatan (@revhowardarson) August 25, 2023

Because I needed a laugh. pic.twitter.com/rCgB4wedPB

— Rep. Gloria Johnson (@VoteGloriaJ) August 25, 2023

One indictment to rule them all.

One prosecutor to find them.

One indictment to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them. pic.twitter.com/IdROUSbssB

— I Smoked Elon's Ketamine (@BlackKnight10k) August 25, 2023

“So disgusting to see so many people on here celebrating a suicide. Self harm hurts countless thousands and should never be cheered.” – Public defender Twitter when Hitler killed himself

— Gas Stove Prayer Warrior (@canderaid) August 25, 2023

Kamala warned us. https://t.co/AHZlTeTfLY

— Kaivan Shroff (@KaivanShroff) August 25, 2023

you’ve heard him in the last few years, sure, but you haven’t seen much video. and high definition will not be kind to that vain sack of bile

— post malone ergo propter malone (@PropterMalone) August 24, 2023

It’s not persecution, it’s not revenge, it’s not retribution.
It’s holding a person accountable for their alleged crimes. The process of Justice is now in motion. pic.twitter.com/5rncDJQfI5

— Michael F Ozaki MD (@brontyman) August 24, 2023

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